Keep an eye out for Elemental from Stardock. I understand it's supposed to basically be Master of Magic.
It's scheduled to go into public beta this month.
Already? That is very good news indeed. WANT!
Sadly all the Demigod server shenanigans delayed the start of the public beta. Brad Wardell posted that it would probably still be this summer, but definitely not June. Sad.
Looks like there will be a 100 person alpha, slots distributed by lottery, come June 25...
June 3: As some of you know, the Elemental Beta 0 got nixed due to us needing to throw developers onto Demigod to help GPG and Raknet with the online experience. The team is starting to migrate back and we’re all glad to be back on Elemental but we did lose some time.
But we are still pushing to have an Alpha build on June 25th to give out. It’ll be cloth map only (so what you see in the above screenshot won’t be in the alpha series and the betas will look a lot better than what you see above too).
For the alpha series we’re only going to select around 100 people to be in it. It’ll be a lottery. Picture a big hat with players getting for each Stardock game they' have – GalCiv, Sins of a Solar Empire, Demigod who have also pre-ordered Elemental. The team is also pre-selecting about two dozen people who have been really helpful in the past from the community to be in it as well.
We’re pretty excited because we plan to do this somewhat differently than other builds.
I heard good things about dominions 3 on another board. I was planning on downloading the demo tomorrow so I don't know anything about it right now. Maybe someone else can chime in on it.
Seconding this.
Dominions 3 is Master of Magic/Age of Wonders-isque spell system and research system set in a Risk game board with Total War-isque 2d combat.
What I mean is there's no building up other than three basic yet important structures, the entire focus is killing the shit out of your foes with ye olde medieval dudes. Hundreds of dudes with flaming swords backed up virgin sacrificing shamans. And what other game has virgin sacrificing?
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I heard good things about dominions 3 on another board. I was planning on downloading the demo tomorrow so I don't know anything about it right now. Maybe someone else can chime in on it.
Seconding this.
Dominions 3 is Master of Magic/Age of Wonders-isque spell system and research system set in a Risk game board with Total War-isque 2d combat.
What I mean is there's no building up other than three basic yet important structures, the entire focus is killing the shit out of your foes with ye olde medieval dudes. Hundreds of dudes with flaming swords backed up virgin sacrificing shamans. And what other game has virgin sacrificing?
It's a great game, but don't get it if you aren't going to bother with multiplayer.
So I caved and bought the new Civ4Complete with Colonization. WOO! I'll be sure to snag Fall from Heaven ASAP. I'm hoping for a match on Goozex for King's Bounty, AoW: Shadow Magic, or Disciples II soon.
Just FYI...Gamersgate.com has King's Bounty at 50% off right now.
And, in answer to Alfred, it's similar to HOMM but different as well. You don't have cities to build up, multiple heroes or creature upgrades. It's closer to an RPG than HOMM was, because you only have a single hero that you build up. The character advancement is deep, though, and the units have a nice range of abilities.
I asked about Dominions 3 and it's not a game you can just hop in and out of. It's something that you ought to invest a lot of time in, and should really be played multiplayer against another strategy gaming geek. There are so many other accessible and great fantasy TBS games that you should probably limit Dom3 to a last resort.
I asked about Dominions 3 and it's not a game you can just hop in and out of. It's something that you ought to invest a lot of time in, and should really be played multiplayer against another strategy gaming geek. There are so many other accessible and great fantasy TBS games that you should probably limit Dom3 to a last resort.
Yeah, I'm looking more for the single player bit anyway.
Wow, I'm reading all the posts in this thread and realizing I've played/own every single one of the games mentioned... Evidently this is my genre.
Gameplay wise, I think the best games are Dominions 3 and Heroes of Might and Magic III. The graphics on those games are not all that great though, hehe.
That being said I can easily reccomend Kings Bounty: The Legend as the game you are looking for. I bought it day one, and still play it. It's really fantastic. The expansion (new campaign) will be out in the next 3 months (perhaps?) so that's JUST enough time to beat it 7 different ways before then.
Oh Pancake, you just gone and done the dumbest thing in your whole life. Everyone knows that HOMM3 is a perfect flawless diamond of a game that cannot possibly be surpassed.
edit: I think the only one I played was the first. I might have played the second one, not sure. I got matched for HoMM V on Goozex, so I'm going to give that one a go, but eventually I'm going to go back and try out III as well and see what all the hype is about.
I'm really hoping I can get a match for Shadow Magic at some point. Looks like it may be a while.
If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
Who knew that Russians got so hard for fantasy strategy.
Heh, Heroes of Might and Magic V was also made by a Russian developer, as is the developer working on Disciples 3. Russia pretty much owns the genre right now.
I love Disciples II as people have said already. Sure it has some problems, but the graphics and style are awesome, there is some interesting unit variety and leveling stuff is fun. I wish those crazy Russians would finish making Disciples III already [although it might not be good *shrug*]
Eastern Europe owns all of PC gaming. The cool thing is they are doing all the old school stuff from 15 years ago, so that means PC gaming gets to live another decade if we see the same cycle! :P
Stop recommending HoMMIII. HoMMV is the best game in the series.
Well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
And wrong.
I will have to pick up King's Bounty this weekend.
Offhand, has anybody had any experience/play with the Spellforce series? I know it's not turn-based strategy, but I figure this is as good a thread as any to ask. And as Spellforce Platinum is on GOG, and Spellforce 2 complete is on Gamersgate, I'm set to pick them up if I want.
Eastern Europe owns all of PC gaming. The cool thing is they are doing all the old school stuff from 15 years ago, so that means PC gaming gets to live another decade if we see the same cycle! :P
Yeah, PC gaming's totally going to die next decade. This time for sure, I can feel it in my water.
If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
If we're going down that route, I'd skip to Shining Force 2. If you own a GBA/DS, there's a version of SF1 you can play there.
Rather than FF: Tactics (which is also out for the PSP), see if you can find Tactics Ogre, or Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis.
Also, yes, HoMM V is easily as good as III.
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If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
If we're going down that route, I'd skip to Shining Force 2. If you own a GBA/DS, there's a version of SF1 you can play there.
Rather than FF: Tactics (which is also out for the PSP), see if you can find Tactics Ogre, or Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis.
Also, yes, HoMM V is easily as good as III.
If you bring in the GBA/DS that really does expand your options for turn based fantasy strategy. The Fire Emblem games, Yggdra Union, Tactics Ogre: KoL and quite a few others are easily worth picking up a used GBA SP for, if you don't have/want a DS. And it's portable. Gaming on the go. Or in your comfiest of comfy chairs.
If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
If we're going down that route, I'd skip to Shining Force 2. If you own a GBA/DS, there's a version of SF1 you can play there.
Rather than FF: Tactics (which is also out for the PSP), see if you can find Tactics Ogre, or Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis.
Also, yes, HoMM V is easily as good as III.
If you bring in the GBA/DS that really does expand your options for turn based fantasy strategy. The Fire Emblem games, Yggdra Union, Tactics Ogre: KoL and quite a few others are easily worth picking up a used GBA SP for, if you don't have/want a DS. And it's portable. Gaming on the go. Or in your comfiest of comfy chairs.
I played Advance Wars DS and enjoyed it, but that's really all I've tried (strategy-wise) in the portable arena. Right now I'm working my way through Etrian Odyssey...very slowly. Oh, and I've got Final Fantasy Tactics Advance also, and I've played the first few levels of that. Seems pretty good.
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If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
If we're going down that route, I'd skip to Shining Force 2. If you own a GBA/DS, there's a version of SF1 you can play there.
Rather than FF: Tactics (which is also out for the PSP), see if you can find Tactics Ogre, or Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis.
Also, yes, HoMM V is easily as good as III.
If you bring in the GBA/DS that really does expand your options for turn based fantasy strategy. The Fire Emblem games, Yggdra Union, Tactics Ogre: KoL and quite a few others are easily worth picking up a used GBA SP for, if you don't have/want a DS. And it's portable. Gaming on the go. Or in your comfiest of comfy chairs.
I played Advance Wars DS and enjoyed it, but that's really all I've tried (strategy-wise) in the portable arena. Right now I'm working my way through Etrian Odyssey...very slowly. Oh, and I've got Final Fantasy Tactics Advance also, and I've played the first few levels of that. Seems pretty good.
Hah, yeah. Etrian Odyssey really does bring new meaning to the term Dungeon Crawl. And Dungeon Run Away Back to Town. Such a good game though. If you like stuff like what you've mentioned keep an eye out for Yggdra Union. I'm having a huge blast with it right now. It really is something different in the fantasy strategy realm. Card mechanics, and some other pretty unique gameplay elements make this a really different kind of SRPG.
Tactics Ogre: KoL is also like the grand magnum opus of GBA SRPGs. It's so good. Nice Job system, tons of items, units, enemies, stats etc. And a really deep battle system.
If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
If we're going down that route, I'd skip to Shining Force 2. If you own a GBA/DS, there's a version of SF1 you can play there.
Rather than FF: Tactics (which is also out for the PSP), see if you can find Tactics Ogre, or Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis.
Also, yes, HoMM V is easily as good as III.
If you bring in the GBA/DS that really does expand your options for turn based fantasy strategy. The Fire Emblem games, Yggdra Union, Tactics Ogre: KoL and quite a few others are easily worth picking up a used GBA SP for, if you don't have/want a DS. And it's portable. Gaming on the go. Or in your comfiest of comfy chairs.
I played Advance Wars DS and enjoyed it, but that's really all I've tried (strategy-wise) in the portable arena. Right now I'm working my way through Etrian Odyssey...very slowly. Oh, and I've got Final Fantasy Tactics Advance also, and I've played the first few levels of that. Seems pretty good.
Hah, yeah. Etrian Odyssey really does bring new meaning to the term Dungeon Crawl. And Dungeon Run Away Back to Town. Such a good game though. If you like stuff like what you've mentioned keep an eye out for Yggdra Union. I'm having a huge blast with it right now. It really is something different in the fantasy strategy realm. Card mechanics, and some other pretty unique gameplay elements make this a really different kind of SRPG.
Tactics Ogre: KoL is also like the grand magnum opus of GBA SRPGs. It's so good. Nice Job system, tons of items, units, enemies, stats etc. And a really deep battle system.
I've got Yggdra Union on my Goozex queue and I think I'm pretty close to the front of the line now. I'll have to look for Tactics Ogre.
If you want to try old school, I would recomend Shining Force. You can get that in Sonic's Ultimate Sega Collection along with other cool games. Maybe Final Fantasy Tactices?
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
If we're going down that route, I'd skip to Shining Force 2. If you own a GBA/DS, there's a version of SF1 you can play there.
Rather than FF: Tactics (which is also out for the PSP), see if you can find Tactics Ogre, or Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis.
Also, yes, HoMM V is easily as good as III.
If you bring in the GBA/DS that really does expand your options for turn based fantasy strategy. The Fire Emblem games, Yggdra Union, Tactics Ogre: KoL and quite a few others are easily worth picking up a used GBA SP for, if you don't have/want a DS. And it's portable. Gaming on the go. Or in your comfiest of comfy chairs.
I played Advance Wars DS and enjoyed it, but that's really all I've tried (strategy-wise) in the portable arena. Right now I'm working my way through Etrian Odyssey...very slowly. Oh, and I've got Final Fantasy Tactics Advance also, and I've played the first few levels of that. Seems pretty good.
Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis is like the Final Fantasy Tactics series except with a more simplified job system (which is to say you don't need gamefaqs and a spreadsheet to play effectively) and with a story and cast of characters that don't suck horribly. Also it doesn't have judges. Also Ogre Battle woooooo!
Not especially challenging, granted, but the storytelling and customization staved off boredom for me.
Offhand, has anybody had any experience/play with the Spellforce series? I know it's not turn-based strategy, but I figure this is as good a thread as any to ask. And as Spellforce Platinum is on GOG, and Spellforce 2 complete is on Gamersgate, I'm set to pick them up if I want.
I'm a big RTS fan, but I couldn't get into Spellforce 2 at all. It's like a weird melding of Diablo with very old school RTS mechanics. Even though the normal units scale massively with your hero level (Level 2 units are twice as good as level 1, and so on) they all die extremely fast, so that you are constantly queing up another horde of expendable units to support your hero. Basically, it's like melding a shallow RTS clone with a shallow Action RPG and hoping they mesh into something decent.
Eastern Europe owns all of PC gaming. The cool thing is they are doing all the old school stuff from 15 years ago, so that means PC gaming gets to live another decade if we see the same cycle! :P
Yeah, PC gaming's totally going to die next decade. This time for sure, I can feel it in my water.
Who knows, maybe sub-Saharan Africa will turn into a PC gaming powerhouse as well.
Eastern Europe owns all of PC gaming. The cool thing is they are doing all the old school stuff from 15 years ago, so that means PC gaming gets to live another decade if we see the same cycle! :P
Yeah, PC gaming's totally going to die next decade. This time for sure, I can feel it in my water.
Who knows, maybe sub-Saharan Africa will turn into a PC gaming powerhouse as well.
You're not taking into account climate issues. Once the polar caps melt we'll see a massive influx of penguin migrant programmers into the major cities. Linux game development will shoot up a hundred fold.
Stop recommending HoMMIII. HoMMV is the best game in the series.
Well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I gotta agree with Pancake here, or at least say they are on the same level for me. As much as I loved HoMMIII to death, I've really been enjoying V as much as or more than III. Actually, part of me wants to say II is my favorite, but that is probably just nostalgia clouding my memory
Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis is like the Final Fantasy Tactics series except with a more simplified job system (which is to say you don't need gamefaqs and a spreadsheet to play effectively)...
Really? It's been a while since I played it, but I seem to recall basically needing to know about the prestige classes and their requirements from an outside source. The requirements were sufficiently arcane, like (1) have 13+ CHA, (2) kill 10 dudes with a blunt weapon, and (3) harm no squirrels, that if you just played the game organically you were only going to encounter a handful of the most powerful classes.
That's my chief gripe in general with Japanese style turn-based games, actually. I still play them, but the internal dialogue between my internal purist (just play the game, explore, have fun, enjoy the story) and min-maxer (OPTIMIZE!) rages.
Worst I remember is that you needed to avoid killing people to make a priest and killing beasts to become a beastmaster, which isn't exactly counterintuitive, but I can see your point for sure. Most of the classes were just stat based, which means you'd unlock them eventually. I had mostly forgotten about the badge system, but as far as min/maxing goes it wasn't a terrible offender.
I just bought Disgaea for my DS though, and I feel your rage. I have no fucking clue how these classes work.
I just bought Disgaea for my DS though, and I feel your rage. I have no fucking clue how these classes work.
Disgaea's classes are pretty simplistic. Just keep leveling guys up to get higher growth rate classes. There are some classes that you unlock by having certain combinations of classes (like level xx in fire/ice/whatever the other one is mages/witches) its nothing too complex.
On another note, I've been playing the new King's Bounty game, and I have to say its kinda annoying me now. All the battles seem to be either:
a) Too easy, and things are over in a turn or two and I spend a longer time regaining my mana for the next fight than the battle itself took
or
b) The fight is really hard and satisfying when I pull off a victory, but I took severe losses. So now, I have to wonder all around buying new troops again. Then, to find out ha-ha no more <insert level 5 unit> for you to recruit. So, then I have to bring along some trash unit to use sacrifice on to get more of those units back. Its kinda getting annoying.
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Sadly all the Demigod server shenanigans delayed the start of the public beta. Brad Wardell posted that it would probably still be this summer, but definitely not June. Sad.
Looks like there will be a 100 person alpha, slots distributed by lottery, come June 25...
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Seconding this.
Dominions 3 is Master of Magic/Age of Wonders-isque spell system and research system set in a Risk game board with Total War-isque 2d combat.
What I mean is there's no building up other than three basic yet important structures, the entire focus is killing the shit out of your foes with ye olde medieval dudes. Hundreds of dudes with flaming swords backed up virgin sacrificing shamans. And what other game has virgin sacrificing?
It's a great game, but don't get it if you aren't going to bother with multiplayer.
And, in answer to Alfred, it's similar to HOMM but different as well. You don't have cities to build up, multiple heroes or creature upgrades. It's closer to an RPG than HOMM was, because you only have a single hero that you build up. The character advancement is deep, though, and the units have a nice range of abilities.
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Yeah, I'm looking more for the single player bit anyway.
Gameplay wise, I think the best games are Dominions 3 and Heroes of Might and Magic III. The graphics on those games are not all that great though, hehe.
That being said I can easily reccomend Kings Bounty: The Legend as the game you are looking for. I bought it day one, and still play it. It's really fantastic. The expansion (new campaign) will be out in the next 3 months (perhaps?) so that's JUST enough time to beat it 7 different ways before then.
Well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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edit: I think the only one I played was the first. I might have played the second one, not sure. I got matched for HoMM V on Goozex, so I'm going to give that one a go, but eventually I'm going to go back and try out III as well and see what all the hype is about.
I'm really hoping I can get a match for Shadow Magic at some point. Looks like it may be a while.
Man, I try, but I just can't do old school, at least not right now. Maybe I'll have the patience for it again at some point, because I used to be a huge fan of the classic stuff, but at the moment...I like it when the things I'm blowing up and stabbing are pretty.
Who knew that Russians got so hard for fantasy strategy.
Heh, Heroes of Might and Magic V was also made by a Russian developer, as is the developer working on Disciples 3. Russia pretty much owns the genre right now.
And wrong.
I will have to pick up King's Bounty this weekend.
Offhand, has anybody had any experience/play with the Spellforce series? I know it's not turn-based strategy, but I figure this is as good a thread as any to ask. And as Spellforce Platinum is on GOG, and Spellforce 2 complete is on Gamersgate, I'm set to pick them up if I want.
Yeah, PC gaming's totally going to die next decade. This time for sure, I can feel it in my water.
If we're going down that route, I'd skip to Shining Force 2. If you own a GBA/DS, there's a version of SF1 you can play there.
Rather than FF: Tactics (which is also out for the PSP), see if you can find Tactics Ogre, or Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis.
Also, yes, HoMM V is easily as good as III.
If you bring in the GBA/DS that really does expand your options for turn based fantasy strategy. The Fire Emblem games, Yggdra Union, Tactics Ogre: KoL and quite a few others are easily worth picking up a used GBA SP for, if you don't have/want a DS. And it's portable. Gaming on the go. Or in your comfiest of comfy chairs.
I played Advance Wars DS and enjoyed it, but that's really all I've tried (strategy-wise) in the portable arena. Right now I'm working my way through Etrian Odyssey...very slowly. Oh, and I've got Final Fantasy Tactics Advance also, and I've played the first few levels of that. Seems pretty good.
Hah, yeah. Etrian Odyssey really does bring new meaning to the term Dungeon Crawl. And Dungeon Run Away Back to Town. Such a good game though. If you like stuff like what you've mentioned keep an eye out for Yggdra Union. I'm having a huge blast with it right now. It really is something different in the fantasy strategy realm. Card mechanics, and some other pretty unique gameplay elements make this a really different kind of SRPG.
Tactics Ogre: KoL is also like the grand magnum opus of GBA SRPGs. It's so good. Nice Job system, tons of items, units, enemies, stats etc. And a really deep battle system.
I've got Yggdra Union on my Goozex queue and I think I'm pretty close to the front of the line now. I'll have to look for Tactics Ogre.
Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis is like the Final Fantasy Tactics series except with a more simplified job system (which is to say you don't need gamefaqs and a spreadsheet to play effectively) and with a story and cast of characters that don't suck horribly. Also it doesn't have judges. Also Ogre Battle woooooo!
Not especially challenging, granted, but the storytelling and customization staved off boredom for me.
I'm a big RTS fan, but I couldn't get into Spellforce 2 at all. It's like a weird melding of Diablo with very old school RTS mechanics. Even though the normal units scale massively with your hero level (Level 2 units are twice as good as level 1, and so on) they all die extremely fast, so that you are constantly queing up another horde of expendable units to support your hero. Basically, it's like melding a shallow RTS clone with a shallow Action RPG and hoping they mesh into something decent.
You're not taking into account climate issues. Once the polar caps melt we'll see a massive influx of penguin migrant programmers into the major cities. Linux game development will shoot up a hundred fold.
I gotta agree with Pancake here, or at least say they are on the same level for me. As much as I loved HoMMIII to death, I've really been enjoying V as much as or more than III. Actually, part of me wants to say II is my favorite, but that is probably just nostalgia clouding my memory
Really? It's been a while since I played it, but I seem to recall basically needing to know about the prestige classes and their requirements from an outside source. The requirements were sufficiently arcane, like (1) have 13+ CHA, (2) kill 10 dudes with a blunt weapon, and (3) harm no squirrels, that if you just played the game organically you were only going to encounter a handful of the most powerful classes.
That's my chief gripe in general with Japanese style turn-based games, actually. I still play them, but the internal dialogue between my internal purist (just play the game, explore, have fun, enjoy the story) and min-maxer (OPTIMIZE!) rages.
Rages, I tell you.
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I just bought Disgaea for my DS though, and I feel your rage. I have no fucking clue how these classes work.
Disgaea's classes are pretty simplistic. Just keep leveling guys up to get higher growth rate classes. There are some classes that you unlock by having certain combinations of classes (like level xx in fire/ice/whatever the other one is mages/witches) its nothing too complex.
On another note, I've been playing the new King's Bounty game, and I have to say its kinda annoying me now. All the battles seem to be either:
a) Too easy, and things are over in a turn or two and I spend a longer time regaining my mana for the next fight than the battle itself took
or
b) The fight is really hard and satisfying when I pull off a victory, but I took severe losses. So now, I have to wonder all around buying new troops again. Then, to find out ha-ha no more <insert level 5 unit> for you to recruit.
Edit: mmm nonsensical sentences.