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Videogame Sales Thread: The 360 is just a gateway console to harder consoles!!!
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All sorts of fantastic video game sales information, from past sales to when the new NPD release will be, is here:
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_Game_Sales_Wiki
Data care of NPD Group
NDS 633.5K (-39% from April)
WII 289.5K (-15%)
360 175K (--%)
PS3 131K (+3%)
PS2 117K (-32%)
PSP 100.4K (-14%)
UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED THQ Xbox 360 679.6K
Wii FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 352.8K
EA SPORTS ACTIVE BUNDLE ELECTRONIC ARTS Wii 345.8K
UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED THQ PS3 334.4K
INFAMOUS SONY PS3 175.9K
POKEMON PLATINUM VERSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA NDS 168.9K
MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 158.3K
PUNCH OUT!! NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 156.9K
X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE UNCAGED ED ACTIVISION BLIZZARD Xbox 360 120.7K
Wii PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 109.8K
IGN implies that Bionic Commando sold roughly 30K
11 - NDS - New Super Mario Bros (NoA)
12 - NDS - Mario Kart (NoA)
13 - PS3 - X-Men Origins Wolvering (Acti-Blizzard)
14 - 360 - Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (ACti-Blizzard)
15 - NDS - Gardening Mama (Majesco)
16 - 360 - Sacred 2: Fallen Angel (CDV SOftware) 80K cited on the interbutts
17 - 360 - Call of Duty: World at War (Acti-Blizzard)
18 - NDS - Rhythm Heaven (NoA)
19 - 360 - Halo 3 (MGS)
20 - WII - Gold's Gym Cardio Workout (Ubisoft)
Year over Year for May
NDS 633.5K (+40%, previously 452,600)
WII 289.5K (-57%, 675,100)
360 175K (-6.2%, 186,600)
PS3 131K (-37.2%, 208,700)
PS2 117K (-11.8%, 132,700)
PSP 100.4K (-45%, 182,300)
Year to Date
Jan - May 2008
Wii: 2.82m
NDS: 2.4m
PS3: 1.20m
PSP: 1.15m
360: 1.12m
Jan - May 2009
NDS: 3.33m (+39%)
Wii: 2.66m (-5.6%)
360: 1.38m (+23%)
PS3: 955k (-20.4%)
PSP: 600.7k (-47.7%)
Media Create for June 1 - 7 2009
01./01. [NDS] Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days (Square Enix) - 106,000 / 401,000 (-64%)
02./02. [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji (Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth) (Capcom) - 42,000 / 214,000 (-76%)
03./03. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires (Koei) - 27,000 / 103,000 (-64%)
04./00. [WII] Arc Rise Fantasia (Marvelous) - 26,000 / NEW
05./04. [NDS] Sloane and MacHale's Mysterious Story (Level 5) - 26,000 / 102,000 (-21%)
06./00. [PSP] Evangelion: Jo (Prologue) (Namco Bandai) - 15,000 / NEW
07./11. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2 G (BEST) (Capcom) - 14,000 / 722,000
08./05. [PSP] Yuusha 30 (Half-Minute Hero) (Marvelous) - 9,000 / 36,000 (-66%)
09./13. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 9,000 / 3,444,000
10./09. [NDS] Pro Yakyuu Team o Tsukurou! 2 (SEGA) - 9,000 / 65,000 (-47%)
11./14. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky (Pokemon Co.)
12./15. [NDS] Made in Ore (Wario Ware) (Nintendo)
13./17. [NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo)
14./21. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
15./08. [PS3] H.A.W.X. (Ubisoft)
16./00. [PS2] Evangelion: Jo (Prologue) (Namco Bandai)
17./10. [360] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires (Koei)
18./20. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii (Namco Bandai)
19./16. [NDS] Dragon Ball Kai: Saiyajin Raishuu (Namco Bandai)
20./25. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo)
21./18. [PSP] Bleach: Heat the Soul 6 (SCEI)
22./23. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Pokemon Co.)
23./19. [WII] Play on Wii: Pikmin 2 (Nintendo)
24./22. [WII] Monster Hunter G (Capcom)
25./32. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
26./24. [PSP] Sengoku Basara: Battle Heroes (Capcom)
27./35. [NDS] Metal Fight Beyblade (Hudson)
28./31. [WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2009 (Konami)
29./28. [PS3] The Last Guy (SCEI)
30./39. [NDS] Phoenix Wright (NEW BEST) (Capcom)
NDS - 12
WII - 8
PSP - 5
PS3 - 3
360 - 1
PS2 - 1
UK Charts for 6/15/09
1 1 The Sims 3 PC
2 New entry Prototype PC, PS3, Xbox 360
3 2 Red Faction: Guerrilla PS3, Xbox 360
4 5 Wii Fit Wii
5 3 UFC 2009: Undisputed PS3, Xbox 360
6 4 EA Sports Active Wii
7 16 Call of Duty: World at War PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii, DS
8 7 Pokémon Platinum DS
9 6 inFamous PS3
10 11 FIFA 09 PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS
11 9 Virtua Tennis 2009 PS3, Xbox 360
12 8 Guitar Hero: Metallica PS3, Xbox 360
13 New entry Grand Slam Tennis Wii
14 13 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Xbox 360, PS3, PC, DS
15 14 Mario Kart Wii Wii
16 10 Terminator Salvation PC, PS3, Xbox 360
17 19 Wii Play Wii
18 24 Professor Layton and the Curious Village DS
19 17 My Fitness Coach Wii
20 27 Jillian Michaels' Fitness Ultimatum 2009 Wii
21 15 Sacred 2: Fallen Angel PC, PS3, Xbox 360
22 21 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Wii, DS
23 25 Guitar Hero: World Tour Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii
24 12 FUEL PS3, Xbox 360
25 28 Carnival: Funfair Games Wii
26 29 Football Manager 2009 PC
27 18 Star Ocean: The Last Hope Xbox 360
28 33 SEGA Superstars Tennis DS, PS2, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360
29 23 Sherlock Holmes: The Mystery of the Mummy DS
30 30 Night at the Museum 2 DS, Wii, Xbox 360
31 20 Mystery Stories DS
32 New entry Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings DS, PS2, PSP, Wii
33 36 Grand Theft Auto IV Xbox 360, PS3, PC
34 39 LEGO Indiana Jones PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS
35 26 Big Family Games Wii
36 32 Dr Kawashima's Brain Training DS
37 31 Ben 10: Alien Force Wii, DS, PS2, PSP
38 Re-entry Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars DS
39 Re-entry Walk With Me! Do You Know Your Walking Routine? DS
40 34 Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PSP, PS2, Wii
Totals according to VGChartz
Worldwide:
Wii - 50.48
360 - 30.51
PS3 - 22.54
DS - 104.06
PSP - 47.84
Japan:
Wii - 8.11
360 - 1.07
PS3 - 3.23
DS - 26.74
PS2 - 12.31
Europe:
Wii - 18.95
360 - 12.01
PS3 - 10.66
DS - 41.95
PS2 - 18.66
Q4 Financial Reports (Jan - March '09)
Microsoft wrote:http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY09/earn_rel_q2_09.mspx
Note: Oct-Dec is Q2 for MicrosoftEntertainment and Devices Division Three Months Ended Six Months Ended December 31, Percentage December 31, Percentage (In millions, except percentages) 2008 2007 Change 2008 2007 Change Revenue $ 3,183 $ 3,076 3% $ 4,997 $ 5,024 (1)% Operating income $ 151 $ 375 (60)% $ 329 $ 560 (41)%
NINTENDO wrote:http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2009/090507e.pdf
Full year ending March 2009
Operating income: 555.2 billion yen ($5.63 billion) +14% YoY
Net income: 279.1 billion yen ($2.83 billion) +8.5% YoY
-Record results for both net sales and profit
-87.5% of sales overseas
-133.9 billion yen ($1.36 billion) lost due to yen appreciation
-DS has 91 million sellers LTD, up from 57 last year.
-Wii has 54 million sellers LTD, up from 26 last year.
Forecast for FY 2009 (April 09 - March 2010):
Operating income: 490 billion yen (-11.7%)
Net income: 300 billion yen (+7.5%)
NDS: 30m hardware (-3.7%), 180m software (-8.7%)
Wii: 26m hardware (no change over 2008), 220m software (+7.5%)
Hardware - FY 2008 (YoY%)
NDS: 31.18m (+2.8%)
Wii: 25.95m (+39.4%)
Software - FY 2008
NDS: 197.3m (+6.3%)
Wii: 204.58m (+71.85%)
Hardware - LTD
NDS: 101.78m
Wii: 50.39m
Software - LTD
NDS: 566.9m
Wii: 353m
Random titles:
Software - FY 2008
Wii Fit: 16.37m
Mario Kart Wii: 15.4m
Animal Crossing Wii: 3.38m
Wii Music: 2.65m
Software - LTD
Brain Age 1+2: 31.12m
Wii Fit: 18.22m
Sony financial report
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/er.html
The year ending March 2009
Sony (Overall)
Net Sales: 7,730.6 billion yen [$80.92 billion]
Net Income: -98.9 billion yen (loss) [-$1.035 billion]
Sony (Gaming division)
Net Sales: 1,053 billion yen [$11.02 billion]
Operating Income: -58.5 billion yen [-$612 million]
Hardware (FY08)
PS3: 10.06m
PS2: 7.91m
PSP: 14.11m
Software (FY08)
PS3: 103.7m
PS2: 83.5m
PSP: 50.3m
Forecast for FY09
PS3: 13m (+29%)
PS2: 5m (-37%)
PSP: 15m (+6%)
Total software (PS3+PS2+PSP): 240m (+1%)
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Now, though, I want one.
I don't see a point for an 8 year old to have a cellphone either, but judging from the brats I see in town everyday, I'm the minority.
Admittedly Apple has a big head start, but still, damn.
We really are in the minority. And the sad part is, when I eventually get married and have kids, I'm worried as fuck about raising them in this kind of society. I work retail right now, and if I wouldn't lose my job for it, I can't begin to tell you how many of those little fuckers I would punch in the throat.
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So I want to revert back to the discussion of the importance of non-gaming capabilities to console sales because after thinking about it a bit I think I can better explain why I am so skeptical of their importance in determining market shares.
In my view, the benefit of the non-gaming related stuff on the 360 to Microsoft is the fact that it adds a high margin business to what for them is a very low (well negative till now) margin gaming business. The model here is something like a gas station. The gas itself is sold essentially at cost while customers grumble but they then go on to smile while buying a soft drink, coffee or other high margin items. It would be relatively difficult to get customers non buying gas to make the trip to buy those same items at those same prices and likewise it will be relatively hard for MS, Sony or Nintendo to sell media services to those uninterested in games.
The analogy here is far from exact but the upshot of this line of thinking is that if Microsoft can sell large numbers of 360s on the back of demand for, say, Netflix then it must be a mistake to bundle that service with the 360. The same service could be sold for cheaper and have a better/less intimidating interface if you drop the ability to render and control Gears of War. Furthermore the marketing will be much simpler. And the larger install base that would result would give MS a better position to negotiate terms with Netflix, probably capturing a bigger slice of a bigger pie.
The situation would be similar with Home on the PS3. If Sony could sell a lot of people totally uninterested in playing KZ2 a PS3 so they could join in the fun of Home then it would make sense for Sony to make a dedicated machine and market that. As it is, they are better off trying to make some money off of selling outfits in Home than trying to use it as a strategic weapon in the Console Wars.
For people already interested in playing games then these capabilities might come into play for someone sitting on the fence between two consoles but that will only affect things on the margins.
I think the wisdom of adding any non-gaming capability to your console really comes down to the cost, especially the marginal cost. If, like netflix, it doesn't cost much then the extra revenue will no doubt be worth it just don't expect it to sell many consoles. If, like B-R, it causes your execs to start bragging about how gamers will take an extra job to buy your console then the only recourse is to burn it with fire.
To put it another way, if using Natal to operate menus is a killer ap then MS should determine how quickly and cheaply they can get that out there meanwhile burning all the pages of the requirements docs that have to do with creepy kids, shitty paintings and the bottom of avatar's shoes. They should also think about whether they even want this technology associated with gaming or whether they are unnecessarily ghettoizing it.
To put it yet a third way, if Microsoft is using XBox as a way to establish themselves in the living room or whatever and if Natal is capable of doing that apart from any use in games then why the fuck do they need to spend billions on XBox any longer? MS will have been released for the need to spend many millions making art assets for the next Halo all the while hoping that some other game doesn't come out before it does and makes your effort look dated in the eyes in of your hardcore fan base. IMO, they should embrace that opportunity if it exists.
None of this should be read to imply that Rooks is claiming that Natal will necessarily have such an impact. It's just me explaining why, in addition to the historical facts about 360 and Wii sales, I took such a dismissive attitude to the console sales implications of things besides games themselves.
(Please do not gift. My game bank is already full.)
I thought the reason the DS had taken off was the Blue Ocean strategy of going after new gamers - the majority of which weren't in the 8-15 range. Is the DS primarily played by those 8-15. Is anyone here 8-15?
It seems like the argument makes sense: who wants to carry around a gaming system with them, right? You're a sophisticated business man who doesn't want to be seen with one or a mom with an overly-jammed purse or a hipster who doesn't have the fucking pockets for it in your god damned skinny jeans for fucks sake shave and get a job you smelly bastard. You're already carrying your status enhancing iPhone. Game on it!
If Apple can begin to abscond with the udders of Nintendo's recently acquired casual cows (so much bitter subtext to be had!) it can only mean profit for them and doom (DOOM! DOOM I SAY!) for Nintendo.
You heard it here first: Apple to buy Nintendo in 5 years.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea how the hell my undying love for nintendo could make up for my utter hatred of apple.
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Eh, I'm not a fan of Apple's general corporate culture and policies, but I still love the iPhone.
Actually I'm amazed you've gotten this far without a cell phone without your friends getting annoyed at you. I actually have a cell phone rather than a land line, and it's worked well for me for the last eight years.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364666
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I don't understand people who can't connect any other way. None of my friends are out and about enough that it's a huge deal, we email each other or AIM or possibly Facebook.
Pretty much this for me. I know I would barely use a cell phone so I just don't bother.
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Its an easy fix--all Microsoft has to do is include a white person with every purchase of Natal to mimic your actions for you!
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I would also argue against your assumption that "non-gaming capabilities" won't sell many consoles. I think things like Brain Age and cooking tools are sort of proving this for the DS, as well as the multitude of apps on the iPhone. But I would understand if this is something you want to remain cynical about. If Nintendo hasn't done it, certainly it doesn't count?
Just to re-iterate against your FUD, it's not like MS spends billions of dollars on the gaming division and gets nothing back. It's been profitable for almost two years now. I'd say that's a decent and growing business (especially in these tough economic times). Do you have such a vested interest in not seeing MS succeed or something?
And again, things like Natal are about broadening the current customer base of the 360. So yes, things like price and budget are obviously important. And it's not like all the eggs are in one basket. There are lots of other things going on, from games to non-gaming features.
EDIT:
I just saw a video of Felicia Day and Natal. *dreamy eyes* Okay, gotta run ... damn meetings.
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Yah I saw that after I had posted, but it was still funny anyways
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Like I mentioned in the old thread: Look at Nintendo prominently featuring James Patterson's Women's Murder Club as a DS title at its E3 keynote—showing pretty extensive trailer footage, even while the next Zelda game got little more than a passing name-drop. The target audience for the DS (and Wii, really) is "everyone"—exactly who Apple is targeting with the iPod.
Also, we all call them "iPhone games" but they're really iPod Touch games too—only $229 for the 8GB, no contracts or anything. I don't know when the iPod line is supposed to be refreshed again, but all it takes is one meager price drop to come within striking range of the $169 DSi.
See the problem with Microsoft is that they are not Nintendo.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
Developers deal with this issue every single day.
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How about I don't know, paying attention to the kids? Then again that seems like something so few parents want to bother doing any more. Just let the electronics baby sit them and do the parenting.
What are these kids doing that the parents need to bother with something like that? When I was that age, If I was playing outside I was fine as long as my mom knew what general direction I was playing, and was within hearing distance of her whistle to call us in (She can whistle so loud it's not funny). If I was at someone's house, she would.... call the house.
Yes I sound a bit cynical, I also work at retail and see these brats all the time and it pisses me off seeing how they act and what they get away with.
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I've been told a cell phone can be a VERY useful tool for a parent who wants to keep in touch with their kid while they're out doing whatever. Tell them about a change of plan, make sure they're doing what they said they're doing, just check in, etc. And phones can be modified just for kids to where they limit outgoing calls to just a few numbers, can only receive incoming calls from certain numbers, etc. In that light a cell phone can be absolutely useful for a child.
That said, I know there's kids that are spoiled. The day I got my iPhone I was in line behind a trophy wife and her four kids ages 7-12, all of whom had burr cuts, spoiled little bastard expressions and earrings, and they all got an iPhone. Yeah, no. At that age they just need the phones with the parental restrictions.
They really need a pipboy-like phone - something I can bolt on to them that they can't turn off.
Yeah, several of the U.S. operators do too. That's a huge help.
I'd also like to lobby Sheep to keep the OP image. Keeps us grounded.
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Sure, instant gratification is nice and all, but seriously.
On to more relevant topics the software sales for May are going to be weird. I have no idea what the list is going to look like besides the regular Nintendo titles.
MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 210K
PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 170K
GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD (CORP) 360 110K
Yay for bad games bundled with plastic accessories dominating sales every month.
Except for the fact that Mario Kart and Wii Fit aren't bad?
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What is this, from last month? GH:A had some kind of $10 deal recently. Probably from people buying the guitar.
Luddite!
My girlfriend and I joke about how life used to be like before cell phones (which we were a part of as well). What if you were late to a meet-up? How do you let your friends know that you're going to be late, or not to wait for you? What if the plan changes and you all need to go somewhere else? What if you're at the store and you really need a piece of information that's sitting in your e-mail account? (Shopping list, price of an item, etc.)
Obviously all of these things, and more, were solved pre-cell phone. Just maybe not as efficiently (I seem to recall waiting around a lot more). But once you have one, it's pretty damn difficult to go back!
Anyway, the next few months will be pretty boring (as usual?). What's the biggest game to come out recently? Sims 3?
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I'd have to agree here. A cell phone is extremely handy to have for last-minute plans, emergencies and whathaveyou, and it doesn't have to take over your life at all.
Were there any big releases in May? There's Infamous, which I figure will be a modest success a la Uncharted.
Wii Fit is really bad for fitness which makes the title a bit of a misnomer but at least I got my money back on ebay for it. EA Sports Active is considerably better, the 30 day challenge isn't just a marketing thing. Sadly people get taken in by the balance board.
Don't wanna get into too deep of a discussion about Mario Kart but the battle mode (which has in the past been for me what MK is all about) was undeniably awful in the Wii version. A very average game and for a series with such pedigree that's not good enough,
I'd disagree with that assessment. Yes, most of the minigames are completely useless, but it's a wonderful fitness tracker. I have a gym a few blocks away, but I can rarely be arsed to go. So what I need isn't a program that tells me what exercises to do but rather a motivation to keep going to the gym. For that, Wii Fit is perfect: making it into a 'game' of sorts makes it more interesting, and it streamlines the process of charting my progress (cause there's no way I'd put in the effort to manually weigh myself every day).
I've learned from having one in a previous job in which I was more or less on call 24/7 that I'd rather miss something or be late than have a phone own you body and soul. It was an additional expense I was glad to get rid of.
When plans change they leave me an email or a message on my home phone. I've got a very decent memory so I rarely need a grocery list or a reminder of what errands I have to run. The only way I can really see it having a negative impact on my life is having a breakdown or getting lost in a car. GPS prevents the getting lost most of the time and flagging someone down who has a cellphone wouldn't be too hard. It's not like I drive cross country most of the time anyways, I take my bike when the weather isn't foul or if I'm day tripping with a friend they will most certainly have a cell phone.
Games of may. Punchout might have a distant chance at a high number. Sims 3, EA Active will probably be number one or two.