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Videogame Sales Thread: The 360 is just a gateway console to harder consoles!!!

SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
edited July 2009 in Games and Technology
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All sorts of fantastic video game sales information, from past sales to when the new NPD release will be, is here:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_Game_Sales_Wiki

Data care of NPD Group

NDS 633.5K (-39% from April)
WII 289.5K (-15%)
360 175K (--%)
PS3 131K (+3%)
PS2 117K (-32%)
PSP 100.4K (-14%)


UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED THQ Xbox 360 679.6K
Wii FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 352.8K
EA SPORTS ACTIVE BUNDLE ELECTRONIC ARTS Wii 345.8K
UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED THQ PS3 334.4K
INFAMOUS SONY PS3 175.9K
POKEMON PLATINUM VERSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA NDS 168.9K
MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 158.3K
PUNCH OUT!! NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 156.9K
X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE UNCAGED ED ACTIVISION BLIZZARD Xbox 360 120.7K
Wii PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 109.8K

IGN implies that Bionic Commando sold roughly 30K

11 - NDS - New Super Mario Bros (NoA)
12 - NDS - Mario Kart (NoA)
13 - PS3 - X-Men Origins Wolvering (Acti-Blizzard)
14 - 360 - Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (ACti-Blizzard)
15 - NDS - Gardening Mama (Majesco)
16 - 360 - Sacred 2: Fallen Angel (CDV SOftware) 80K cited on the interbutts
17 - 360 - Call of Duty: World at War (Acti-Blizzard)
18 - NDS - Rhythm Heaven (NoA)
19 - 360 - Halo 3 (MGS)
20 - WII - Gold's Gym Cardio Workout (Ubisoft)

Year over Year for May

NDS 633.5K (+40%, previously 452,600)
WII 289.5K (-57%, 675,100)
360 175K (-6.2%, 186,600)
PS3 131K (-37.2%, 208,700)
PS2 117K (-11.8%, 132,700)
PSP 100.4K (-45%, 182,300)

Year to Date

Jan - May 2008
Wii: 2.82m
NDS: 2.4m
PS3: 1.20m
PSP: 1.15m
360: 1.12m

Jan - May 2009
NDS: 3.33m (+39%)
Wii: 2.66m (-5.6%)
360: 1.38m (+23%)
PS3: 955k (-20.4%)
PSP: 600.7k (-47.7%)

Media Create for June 1 - 7 2009

01./01. [NDS] Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days (Square Enix) - 106,000 / 401,000 (-64%)
02./02. [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji (Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth) (Capcom) - 42,000 / 214,000 (-76%)
03./03. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires (Koei) - 27,000 / 103,000 (-64%)
04./00. [WII] Arc Rise Fantasia (Marvelous) - 26,000 / NEW
05./04. [NDS] Sloane and MacHale's Mysterious Story (Level 5) - 26,000 / 102,000 (-21%)
06./00. [PSP] Evangelion: Jo (Prologue) (Namco Bandai) - 15,000 / NEW
07./11. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2 G (BEST) (Capcom) - 14,000 / 722,000
08./05. [PSP] Yuusha 30 (Half-Minute Hero) (Marvelous) - 9,000 / 36,000 (-66%)
09./13. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 9,000 / 3,444,000
10./09. [NDS] Pro Yakyuu Team o Tsukurou! 2 (SEGA) - 9,000 / 65,000 (-47%)

11./14. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky (Pokemon Co.)
12./15. [NDS] Made in Ore (Wario Ware) (Nintendo)
13./17. [NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo)
14./21. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
15./08. [PS3] H.A.W.X. (Ubisoft)
16./00. [PS2] Evangelion: Jo (Prologue) (Namco Bandai)
17./10. [360] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires (Koei)
18./20. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii (Namco Bandai)
19./16. [NDS] Dragon Ball Kai: Saiyajin Raishuu (Namco Bandai)
20./25. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo)
21./18. [PSP] Bleach: Heat the Soul 6 (SCEI)
22./23. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Pokemon Co.)
23./19. [WII] Play on Wii: Pikmin 2 (Nintendo)
24./22. [WII] Monster Hunter G (Capcom)
25./32. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
26./24. [PSP] Sengoku Basara: Battle Heroes (Capcom)
27./35. [NDS] Metal Fight Beyblade (Hudson)
28./31. [WII] Winning Eleven Playmaker 2009 (Konami)
29./28. [PS3] The Last Guy (SCEI)
30./39. [NDS] Phoenix Wright (NEW BEST) (Capcom)

NDS - 12
WII - 8
PSP - 5
PS3 - 3
360 - 1
PS2 - 1

UK Charts for 6/15/09

1 1 The Sims 3 PC
2 New entry Prototype PC, PS3, Xbox 360
3 2 Red Faction: Guerrilla PS3, Xbox 360
4 5 Wii Fit Wii
5 3 UFC 2009: Undisputed PS3, Xbox 360
6 4 EA Sports Active Wii
7 16 Call of Duty: World at War PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii, DS
8 7 Pokémon Platinum DS
9 6 inFamous PS3
10 11 FIFA 09 PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS
11 9 Virtua Tennis 2009 PS3, Xbox 360
12 8 Guitar Hero: Metallica PS3, Xbox 360
13 New entry Grand Slam Tennis Wii
14 13 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Xbox 360, PS3, PC, DS
15 14 Mario Kart Wii Wii
16 10 Terminator Salvation PC, PS3, Xbox 360
17 19 Wii Play Wii
18 24 Professor Layton and the Curious Village DS
19 17 My Fitness Coach Wii
20 27 Jillian Michaels' Fitness Ultimatum 2009 Wii
21 15 Sacred 2: Fallen Angel PC, PS3, Xbox 360
22 21 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Wii, DS
23 25 Guitar Hero: World Tour Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii
24 12 FUEL PS3, Xbox 360
25 28 Carnival: Funfair Games Wii
26 29 Football Manager 2009 PC
27 18 Star Ocean: The Last Hope Xbox 360
28 33 SEGA Superstars Tennis DS, PS2, PS3, Wii, Xbox 360
29 23 Sherlock Holmes: The Mystery of the Mummy DS
30 30 Night at the Museum 2 DS, Wii, Xbox 360
31 20 Mystery Stories DS
32 New entry Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings DS, PS2, PSP, Wii
33 36 Grand Theft Auto IV Xbox 360, PS3, PC
34 39 LEGO Indiana Jones PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS
35 26 Big Family Games Wii
36 32 Dr Kawashima's Brain Training DS
37 31 Ben 10: Alien Force Wii, DS, PS2, PSP
38 Re-entry Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars DS
39 Re-entry Walk With Me! Do You Know Your Walking Routine? DS
40 34 Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PSP, PS2, Wii

Totals according to VGChartz

Worldwide:

Wii - 50.48
360 - 30.51
PS3 - 22.54
DS - 104.06
PSP - 47.84

Japan:

Wii - 8.11
360 - 1.07
PS3 - 3.23
DS - 26.74
PS2 - 12.31

Europe:

Wii - 18.95
360 - 12.01
PS3 - 10.66
DS - 41.95
PS2 - 18.66








Q4 Financial Reports (Jan - March '09)
Microsoft wrote:
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY09/earn_rel_q2_09.mspx
Note: Oct-Dec is Q2 for Microsoft
Entertainment and Devices Division
                                      Three Months Ended                    Six Months Ended
                                         December 31,        Percentage       December 31,       Percentage
(In millions, except percentages)      2008         2007       Change        2008       2007       Change
Revenue                             $    3,183    $  3,076          3%    $    4,997   $ 5,024         (1)%
Operating income                   $      151    $    375        (60)%    $      329   $   560        (41)%
NINTENDO wrote:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2009/090507e.pdf

Full year ending March 2009

Operating income: 555.2 billion yen ($5.63 billion) +14% YoY
Net income: 279.1 billion yen ($2.83 billion) +8.5% YoY


-Record results for both net sales and profit
-87.5% of sales overseas
-133.9 billion yen ($1.36 billion) lost due to yen appreciation
-DS has 91 million sellers LTD, up from 57 last year.
-Wii has 54 million sellers LTD, up from 26 last year.

Forecast for FY 2009 (April 09 - March 2010):
Operating income: 490 billion yen (-11.7%)
Net income: 300 billion yen (+7.5%)
NDS: 30m hardware (-3.7%), 180m software (-8.7%)
Wii: 26m hardware (no change over 2008), 220m software (+7.5%)


Hardware - FY 2008 (YoY%)
NDS: 31.18m (+2.8%)
Wii: 25.95m (+39.4%)

Software - FY 2008
NDS: 197.3m (+6.3%)
Wii: 204.58m (+71.85%)

Hardware - LTD
NDS: 101.78m
Wii: 50.39m

Software - LTD
NDS: 566.9m
Wii: 353m

Random titles:

Software - FY 2008
Wii Fit: 16.37m
Mario Kart Wii: 15.4m
Animal Crossing Wii: 3.38m
Wii Music: 2.65m

Software - LTD
Brain Age 1+2: 31.12m
Wii Fit: 18.22m
Sony financial report
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/er.html

The year ending March 2009

Sony (Overall)
Net Sales: 7,730.6 billion yen [$80.92 billion]
Net Income: -98.9 billion yen (loss) [-$1.035 billion]

Sony (Gaming division)
Net Sales: 1,053 billion yen [$11.02 billion]
Operating Income: -58.5 billion yen [-$612 million]

Hardware (FY08)
PS3: 10.06m
PS2: 7.91m
PSP: 14.11m

Software (FY08)
PS3: 103.7m
PS2: 83.5m
PSP: 50.3m

Forecast for FY09
PS3: 13m (+29%)
PS2: 5m (-37%)
PSP: 15m (+6%)
Total software (PS3+PS2+PSP): 240m (+1%)

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    I just stole the OP from cloudeagle. I'll update it with my own fancy brand of fancybrandedness when I get back from lunch.

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    UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I thought we always hated the iPhone.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    I did when it lacked features that old phones did.

    Now, though, I want one.
    Zerokku wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    Kids usually don't actually buy or pay for their phone plans just like they usually don't support their own gaming habit.

    Mom and dad do.

    And an iPhone is more likely to be bought than a PSP.

    Cell phones are more ingrained in our culture than portable game devices. Why not go ahead and buy an iPhone since you already have a phone plan?

    The entry price for the iPhone is cheaper than the PSP Go. The iPhone already has a healthy digital distribution network and is 199$. It also does more than the PSP Go, which costs 250 bucks, has an unclear future regarding titles, and does less.

    Finally, games on the PSP Go will probably cost more in the long run as well, since iPhone games tend to cap out at 10$.

    My data plan is already at 70$ a month. If I swap over to AT&T and get an iPhone, it won't be that much of a change.

    Maybe I'm just a bit weird, but I don't understand the use an 8-12 year old kid has for a personal cell phone. They're 8 fucking years old. Then again I'm 19 and don't even have one because hey, I don't see any personal need for it, and it's just another bill I'm not interested in paying at the moment.

    I don't see a point for an 8 year old to have a cellphone either, but judging from the brats I see in town everyday, I'm the minority.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I actually just blundered into an article that shows the number of apps mobile devices have. The iPhone has over 50,000, Android has 5,000, Nokia and BlackBerry have 1,000 each, and Palm has 18.

    Admittedly Apple has a big head start, but still, damn.

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    ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Sheep wrote: »
    I did when it lacked features that old phones did.

    Now, though, I want one.
    Zerokku wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    Kids usually don't actually buy or pay for their phone plans just like they usually don't support their own gaming habit.

    Mom and dad do.

    And an iPhone is more likely to be bought than a PSP.

    Cell phones are more ingrained in our culture than portable game devices. Why not go ahead and buy an iPhone since you already have a phone plan?

    The entry price for the iPhone is cheaper than the PSP Go. The iPhone already has a healthy digital distribution network and is 199$. It also does more than the PSP Go, which costs 250 bucks, has an unclear future regarding titles, and does less.

    Finally, games on the PSP Go will probably cost more in the long run as well, since iPhone games tend to cap out at 10$.

    My data plan is already at 70$ a month. If I swap over to AT&T and get an iPhone, it won't be that much of a change.

    Maybe I'm just a bit weird, but I don't understand the use an 8-12 year old kid has for a personal cell phone. They're 8 fucking years old. Then again I'm 19 and don't even have one because hey, I don't see any personal need for it, and it's just another bill I'm not interested in paying at the moment.

    I don't see a point for an 8 year old to have a cellphone either, but judging from the brats I see in town everyday, I'm the minority.

    We really are in the minority. And the sad part is, when I eventually get married and have kids, I'm worried as fuck about raising them in this kind of society. I work retail right now, and if I wouldn't lose my job for it, I can't begin to tell you how many of those little fuckers I would punch in the throat.

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    lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Heh I thought Sheep was going to make an iPhone thread, posting this from the old thread:

    So I want to revert back to the discussion of the importance of non-gaming capabilities to console sales because after thinking about it a bit I think I can better explain why I am so skeptical of their importance in determining market shares.



    In my view, the benefit of the non-gaming related stuff on the 360 to Microsoft is the fact that it adds a high margin business to what for them is a very low (well negative till now) margin gaming business. The model here is something like a gas station. The gas itself is sold essentially at cost while customers grumble but they then go on to smile while buying a soft drink, coffee or other high margin items. It would be relatively difficult to get customers non buying gas to make the trip to buy those same items at those same prices and likewise it will be relatively hard for MS, Sony or Nintendo to sell media services to those uninterested in games.

    The analogy here is far from exact but the upshot of this line of thinking is that if Microsoft can sell large numbers of 360s on the back of demand for, say, Netflix then it must be a mistake to bundle that service with the 360. The same service could be sold for cheaper and have a better/less intimidating interface if you drop the ability to render and control Gears of War. Furthermore the marketing will be much simpler. And the larger install base that would result would give MS a better position to negotiate terms with Netflix, probably capturing a bigger slice of a bigger pie.

    The situation would be similar with Home on the PS3. If Sony could sell a lot of people totally uninterested in playing KZ2 a PS3 so they could join in the fun of Home then it would make sense for Sony to make a dedicated machine and market that. As it is, they are better off trying to make some money off of selling outfits in Home than trying to use it as a strategic weapon in the Console Wars.

    For people already interested in playing games then these capabilities might come into play for someone sitting on the fence between two consoles but that will only affect things on the margins.

    I think the wisdom of adding any non-gaming capability to your console really comes down to the cost, especially the marginal cost. If, like netflix, it doesn't cost much then the extra revenue will no doubt be worth it just don't expect it to sell many consoles. If, like B-R, it causes your execs to start bragging about how gamers will take an extra job to buy your console then the only recourse is to burn it with fire.


    To put it another way, if using Natal to operate menus is a killer ap then MS should determine how quickly and cheaply they can get that out there meanwhile burning all the pages of the requirements docs that have to do with creepy kids, shitty paintings and the bottom of avatar's shoes. They should also think about whether they even want this technology associated with gaming or whether they are unnecessarily ghettoizing it.


    To put it yet a third way, if Microsoft is using XBox as a way to establish themselves in the living room or whatever and if Natal is capable of doing that apart from any use in games then why the fuck do they need to spend billions on XBox any longer? MS will have been released for the need to spend many millions making art assets for the next Halo all the while hoping that some other game doesn't come out before it does and makes your effort look dated in the eyes in of your hardcore fan base. IMO, they should embrace that opportunity if it exists.


    None of this should be read to imply that Rooks is claiming that Natal will necessarily have such an impact. It's just me explaining why, in addition to the historical facts about 360 and Wii sales, I took such a dismissive attitude to the console sales implications of things besides games themselves.

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    ThreepioThreepio New Westminster, BCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    And I'll point out again that the iPhone's contract/plan are pretty much in line with what you'd pay for any other smartphone. If the iPhone's too expensive for you, then any smartphone is too expensive for you.

    The problem I have is that so many people are claiming that the iPhone is going after the DS's marketshare.

    Kids 8-15 aren't going to have the money (Or the credit line) to get a $1700 phone.

    But they'll likely be able to get $130 for a DS.


    I thought the reason the DS had taken off was the Blue Ocean strategy of going after new gamers - the majority of which weren't in the 8-15 range. Is the DS primarily played by those 8-15. Is anyone here 8-15?

    It seems like the argument makes sense: who wants to carry around a gaming system with them, right? You're a sophisticated business man who doesn't want to be seen with one or a mom with an overly-jammed purse or a hipster who doesn't have the fucking pockets for it in your god damned skinny jeans for fucks sake shave and get a job you smelly bastard. You're already carrying your status enhancing iPhone. Game on it!

    If Apple can begin to abscond with the udders of Nintendo's recently acquired casual cows (so much bitter subtext to be had!) it can only mean profit for them and doom (DOOM! DOOM I SAY!) for Nintendo.

    You heard it here first: Apple to buy Nintendo in 5 years.

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    ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Threepio wrote: »
    You heard it here first: Apple to buy Nintendo in 5 years.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea how the hell my undying love for nintendo could make up for my utter hatred of apple.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Zerokku wrote: »
    Threepio wrote: »
    You heard it here first: Apple to buy Nintendo in 5 years.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea how the hell my undying love for nintendo could make up for my utter hatred of apple.

    Eh, I'm not a fan of Apple's general corporate culture and policies, but I still love the iPhone.

    Actually I'm amazed you've gotten this far without a cell phone without your friends getting annoyed at you. I actually have a cell phone rather than a land line, and it's worked well for me for the last eight years.

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    ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    In Other news, It appears Natal is racist.
    NeoGAF wrote:
    Hughtendo posted this on IGN. Quite a humorous find. haven't seen it posted here so brace yourselves...

    http://bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/Project-Natal-Hands-Feet-Arms-Legs-Torso-Heads-On-Impressions.html

    Above impressions show that N'Gai Croal was not able to use Natal.
    "When game consultant and former Newsweek writer N'Gai Croal gave Paradise a test drive, however, the game had trouble reading his steering actions. The footwork (gas and brakes) worked fine, but Croal couldn't steer his car at all."

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/p75x879k24k36185/

    Above shows a journal which reports that near-infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) is less effective on black skin as "melanin clearly interferes with the quality of the reflected NIRS signal".

    As I understand, Natal uses near-infrared.
    Hughtendo wrote:
    "Please tell me someone on the Natal team has thought of this, or this could be the most epic failure in the history of video games."

    ---

    Original Link

    http://boards.ign.com/xbox_360_general_board/b8266/181186938/p1/?37

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364666

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    UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Zerokku wrote: »
    Threepio wrote: »
    You heard it here first: Apple to buy Nintendo in 5 years.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea how the hell my undying love for nintendo could make up for my utter hatred of apple.

    Eh, I'm not a fan of Apple's general corporate culture and policies, but I still love the iPhone.

    Actually I'm amazed you've gotten this far without a cell phone without your friends getting annoyed at you. I actually have a cell phone rather than a land line, and it's worked well for me for the last eight years.
    I've been out of college two years. I've only had a cell phone for one year (work phone that I can use for personal if I want) and I have used it maybe once a month. It's to the point where I don't take it with me anymore.

    I don't understand people who can't connect any other way. None of my friends are out and about enough that it's a huge deal, we email each other or AIM or possibly Facebook.

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    ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Zerokku wrote: »
    Threepio wrote: »
    You heard it here first: Apple to buy Nintendo in 5 years.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea how the hell my undying love for nintendo could make up for my utter hatred of apple.

    Eh, I'm not a fan of Apple's general corporate culture and policies, but I still love the iPhone.

    Actually I'm amazed you've gotten this far without a cell phone without your friends getting annoyed at you. I actually have a cell phone rather than a land line, and it's worked well for me for the last eight years.
    I've been out of college two years. I've only had a cell phone for one year (work phone that I can use for personal if I want) and I have used it maybe once a month. It's to the point where I don't take it with me anymore.

    I don't understand people who can't connect any other way. None of my friends are out and about enough that it's a huge deal, we email each other or AIM or possibly Facebook.

    Pretty much this for me. I know I would barely use a cell phone so I just don't bother.

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    SAW776SAW776 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Zerokku wrote: »
    In Other news, It appears Natal is racist.
    NeoGAF wrote:
    Hughtendo posted this on IGN. Quite a humorous find. haven't seen it posted here so brace yourselves...

    http://bitmob.com/index.php/mobfeed/Project-Natal-Hands-Feet-Arms-Legs-Torso-Heads-On-Impressions.html

    Above impressions show that N'Gai Croal was not able to use Natal.
    "When game consultant and former Newsweek writer N'Gai Croal gave Paradise a test drive, however, the game had trouble reading his steering actions. The footwork (gas and brakes) worked fine, but Croal couldn't steer his car at all."

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/p75x879k24k36185/

    Above shows a journal which reports that near-infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) is less effective on black skin as "melanin clearly interferes with the quality of the reflected NIRS signal".

    As I understand, Natal uses near-infrared.
    Hughtendo wrote:
    "Please tell me someone on the Natal team has thought of this, or this could be the most epic failure in the history of video games."

    ---

    Original Link

    http://boards.ign.com/xbox_360_general_board/b8266/181186938/p1/?37

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364666

    Its an easy fix--all Microsoft has to do is include a white person with every purchase of Natal to mimic your actions for you!

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    UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The original thread was locked after this was posted:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-443dE5-gk

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    JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I think the wisdom of adding any non-gaming capability to your console really comes down to the cost, especially the marginal cost. If, like netflix, it doesn't cost much then the extra revenue will no doubt be worth it just don't expect it to sell many consoles. If, like B-R, it causes your execs to start bragging about how gamers will take an extra job to buy your console then the only recourse is to burn it with fire.
    Bingo! As some would say, software is cheap. And building software/platforms is what MS does best.

    I would also argue against your assumption that "non-gaming capabilities" won't sell many consoles. I think things like Brain Age and cooking tools are sort of proving this for the DS, as well as the multitude of apps on the iPhone. But I would understand if this is something you want to remain cynical about. If Nintendo hasn't done it, certainly it doesn't count? :) (just kidding)
    To put it yet a third way, if Microsoft is using XBox as a way to establish themselves in the living room or whatever and if Natal is capable of doing that apart from any use in games then why the fuck do they need to spend billions on XBox any longer? MS will have been released for the need to spend many millions making art assets for the next Halo all the while hoping that some other game doesn't come out before it does and makes your effort look dated in the eyes in of your hardcore fan base. IMO, they should embrace that opportunity if it exists.

    Just to re-iterate against your FUD, it's not like MS spends billions of dollars on the gaming division and gets nothing back. It's been profitable for almost two years now. I'd say that's a decent and growing business (especially in these tough economic times). Do you have such a vested interest in not seeing MS succeed or something?

    And again, things like Natal are about broadening the current customer base of the 360. So yes, things like price and budget are obviously important. And it's not like all the eggs are in one basket. There are lots of other things going on, from games to non-gaming features.

    EDIT:
    I just saw a video of Felicia Day and Natal. *dreamy eyes* Okay, gotta run ... damn meetings.

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    ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The original thread was locked after this was posted:

    Yah I saw that after I had posted, but it was still funny anyways :lol:

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    LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Threepio wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    And I'll point out again that the iPhone's contract/plan are pretty much in line with what you'd pay for any other smartphone. If the iPhone's too expensive for you, then any smartphone is too expensive for you.

    The problem I have is that so many people are claiming that the iPhone is going after the DS's marketshare.

    Kids 8-15 aren't going to have the money (Or the credit line) to get a $1700 phone.

    But they'll likely be able to get $130 for a DS.


    I thought the reason the DS had taken off was the Blue Ocean strategy of going after new gamers - the majority of which weren't in the 8-15 range. Is the DS primarily played by those 8-15. Is anyone here 8-15?

    It seems like the argument makes sense: who wants to carry around a gaming system with them, right? You're a sophisticated business man who doesn't want to be seen with one or a mom with an overly-jammed purse or a hipster who doesn't have the fucking pockets for it in your god damned skinny jeans for fucks sake shave and get a job you smelly bastard. You're already carrying your status enhancing iPhone. Game on it!

    If Apple can begin to abscond with the udders of Nintendo's recently acquired casual cows (so much bitter subtext to be had!) it can only mean profit for them and doom (DOOM! DOOM I SAY!) for Nintendo.

    You heard it here first: Apple to buy Nintendo in 5 years.

    Like I mentioned in the old thread: Look at Nintendo prominently featuring James Patterson's Women's Murder Club as a DS title at its E3 keynote—showing pretty extensive trailer footage, even while the next Zelda game got little more than a passing name-drop. The target audience for the DS (and Wii, really) is "everyone"—exactly who Apple is targeting with the iPod.

    Also, we all call them "iPhone games" but they're really iPod Touch games too—only $229 for the 8GB, no contracts or anything. I don't know when the iPod line is supposed to be refreshed again, but all it takes is one meager price drop to come within striking range of the $169 DSi.

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    ThreepioThreepio New Westminster, BCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'll say it again - for the love of god get the facial recgonition and gesture navigation over to the Windows 7 team. HP Touchsmart PCs almost get it - but greasy screens aren't a good idea for desktop computers. Natal could do great things for the desktop.

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    greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    JCRooks wrote: »
    Do you have such a vested interest in not seeing MS succeed or something?

    See the problem with Microsoft is that they are not Nintendo.

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    DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    8-year-olds with cell phones isn't usually about the 8-year-old, it's about the parents wanting to have a way they can always get in touch with their kid. It's like a safety leash.

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    UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    greeble wrote: »
    JCRooks wrote: »
    Do you have such a vested interest in not seeing MS succeed or something?

    See the problem with Microsoft is that they are not Nintendo.

    Developers deal with this issue every single day.

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    SAW776SAW776 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Man, what a waste of a Better of Ted joke if it wasn't even true. Bad form!

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    ZiggymonZiggymon Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    What the hell is up with the UK prices for iPhone 3GS ? £184.98 for the 16GB version on an 18 month contract and £30 a month.

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    ZerokkuZerokku Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    8-year-olds with cell phones isn't usually about the 8-year-old, it's about the parents wanting to have a way they can always get in touch with their kid. It's like a safety leash.

    How about I don't know, paying attention to the kids? Then again that seems like something so few parents want to bother doing any more. Just let the electronics baby sit them and do the parenting.

    What are these kids doing that the parents need to bother with something like that? When I was that age, If I was playing outside I was fine as long as my mom knew what general direction I was playing, and was within hearing distance of her whistle to call us in (She can whistle so loud it's not funny). If I was at someone's house, she would.... call the house.

    Yes I sound a bit cynical, I also work at retail and see these brats all the time and it pisses me off seeing how they act and what they get away with.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Zerokku wrote: »
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    8-year-olds with cell phones isn't usually about the 8-year-old, it's about the parents wanting to have a way they can always get in touch with their kid. It's like a safety leash.

    How about I don't know, paying attention to the kids? Then again that seems like something so few parents want to bother doing any more. Just let the electronics baby sit them and do the parenting.

    What are these kids doing that the parents need to bother with something like that? When I was that age, If I was playing outside I was fine as long as my mom knew what general direction I was playing, and was within hearing distance of her whistle to call us in (She can whistle so loud it's not funny). If I was at someone's house, she would.... call the house.

    Yes I sound a bit cynical, I also work at retail and see these brats all the time and it pisses me off seeing how they act and what they get away with.

    I've been told a cell phone can be a VERY useful tool for a parent who wants to keep in touch with their kid while they're out doing whatever. Tell them about a change of plan, make sure they're doing what they said they're doing, just check in, etc. And phones can be modified just for kids to where they limit outgoing calls to just a few numbers, can only receive incoming calls from certain numbers, etc. In that light a cell phone can be absolutely useful for a child.

    That said, I know there's kids that are spoiled. The day I got my iPhone I was in line behind a trophy wife and her four kids ages 7-12, all of whom had burr cuts, spoiled little bastard expressions and earrings, and they all got an iPhone. Yeah, no. At that age they just need the phones with the parental restrictions.

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    Dac VinDac Vin S-s-screw you! I only listen to DOUBLE MUSIC! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I know this has been mentioned before by every mother of this earth, but the OP image never. gets. old.

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    ThreepioThreepio New Westminster, BCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    TELUS offers the option to track your kids via the GPS in their phone. If you think I'd say no to that you're nuts. I'm going to know where those little fuckers are at all times.

    They really need a pipboy-like phone - something I can bolt on to them that they can't turn off.

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    ArrathArrath Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Glad to see that Red Faction is selling well in the UK.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Threepio wrote: »
    TELUS offers the option to track your kids via the GPS in their phone. If you think I'd say no to that you're nuts. I'm going to know where those little fuckers are at all times.

    They really need a pipboy-like phone - something I can bolt on to them that they can't turn off.

    Yeah, several of the U.S. operators do too. That's a huge help.

    I'd also like to lobby Sheep to keep the OP image. Keeps us grounded.

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    Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I worked for many years on cell phones and had to be on call and such. I came to loath cell phones and refuse to own one today. Their bloody annoying contraptions.

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    Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm also cell phone less, but my friends have no problem getting ahold of me because I work out of my home, so they can always call/email/instant message me and unless I'm out shopping or on a run I'll probably get the message eventually. Who the fuck really wants to be bugged all the time anyways?

    Sure, instant gratification is nice and all, but seriously.

    On to more relevant topics the software sales for May are going to be weird. I have no idea what the list is going to look like besides the regular Nintendo titles.

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    MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    WII FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 471K
    MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 210K
    PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 170K
    GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD (CORP) 360 110K

    Yay for bad games bundled with plastic accessories dominating sales every month.

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    SAW776SAW776 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Moioink wrote: »
    FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 471K
    MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 210K
    PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 170K
    GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD (CORP) 360 110K (buh??)

    Yay for bad games bundled with plastic accessories dominating sales every month.

    Except for the fact that Mario Kart and Wii Fit aren't bad?

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Moioink wrote: »
    WII FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 471K
    MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 210K
    PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 170K
    GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD (CORP) 360 110K

    Yay for bad games bundled with plastic accessories dominating sales every month.

    What is this, from last month? GH:A had some kind of $10 deal recently. Probably from people buying the guitar.

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    JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm also cell phone less, but my friends have no problem getting ahold of me because I work out of my home, so they can always call/email/instant message me and unless I'm out shopping or on a run I'll probably get the message eventually. Who the fuck really wants to be bugged all the time anyways?

    Luddite! :)

    My girlfriend and I joke about how life used to be like before cell phones (which we were a part of as well). What if you were late to a meet-up? How do you let your friends know that you're going to be late, or not to wait for you? What if the plan changes and you all need to go somewhere else? What if you're at the store and you really need a piece of information that's sitting in your e-mail account? (Shopping list, price of an item, etc.)

    Obviously all of these things, and more, were solved pre-cell phone. Just maybe not as efficiently (I seem to recall waiting around a lot more). But once you have one, it's pretty damn difficult to go back!

    Anyway, the next few months will be pretty boring (as usual?). What's the biggest game to come out recently? Sims 3?

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    DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Red Faction: Guerrilla is pretty big IMO, even if half the main gaming sites haven't bothered to review it cause they're too busy wanking it to e3.

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    cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    JCRooks wrote: »
    I'm also cell phone less, but my friends have no problem getting ahold of me because I work out of my home, so they can always call/email/instant message me and unless I'm out shopping or on a run I'll probably get the message eventually. Who the fuck really wants to be bugged all the time anyways?

    Luddite! :)

    My girlfriend and I joke about how life used to be like before cell phones (which we were a part of as well). What if you were late to a meet-up? How do you let your friends know that you're going to be late, or not to wait for you? What if the plan changes and you all need to go somewhere else? What if you're at the store and you really need a piece of information that's sitting in your e-mail account? (Shopping list, price of an item, etc.)

    Obviously all of these things, and more, were solved pre-cell phone. Just maybe not as efficiently (I seem to recall waiting around a lot more). But once you have one, it's pretty damn difficult to go back!

    Anyway, the next few months will be pretty boring (as usual?). What's the biggest game to come out recently? Sims 3?

    I'd have to agree here. A cell phone is extremely handy to have for last-minute plans, emergencies and whathaveyou, and it doesn't have to take over your life at all.

    Were there any big releases in May? There's Infamous, which I figure will be a modest success a la Uncharted.

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    MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SAW776 wrote: »
    Moioink wrote: »
    FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 471K
    MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 210K
    PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 170K
    GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD (CORP) 360 110K (buh??)

    Yay for bad games bundled with plastic accessories dominating sales every month.

    Except for the fact that Mario Kart and Wii Fit aren't bad?

    Wii Fit is really bad for fitness which makes the title a bit of a misnomer but at least I got my money back on ebay for it. EA Sports Active is considerably better, the 30 day challenge isn't just a marketing thing. Sadly people get taken in by the balance board.

    Don't wanna get into too deep of a discussion about Mario Kart but the battle mode (which has in the past been for me what MK is all about) was undeniably awful in the Wii version. A very average game and for a series with such pedigree that's not good enough,

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    DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Moioink wrote: »
    SAW776 wrote: »
    Moioink wrote: »
    FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 471K
    MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 210K
    PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 170K
    GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD (CORP) 360 110K (buh??)

    Yay for bad games bundled with plastic accessories dominating sales every month.

    Except for the fact that Mario Kart and Wii Fit aren't bad?

    Wii Fit is really bad for fitness which makes the title a bit of a misnomer but at least I got my money back on ebay for it. EA Sports Active is considerably better, the 30 day challenge isn't just a marketing thing. Sadly people get taken in by the balance board.

    I'd disagree with that assessment. Yes, most of the minigames are completely useless, but it's a wonderful fitness tracker. I have a gym a few blocks away, but I can rarely be arsed to go. So what I need isn't a program that tells me what exercises to do but rather a motivation to keep going to the gym. For that, Wii Fit is perfect: making it into a 'game' of sorts makes it more interesting, and it streamlines the process of charting my progress (cause there's no way I'd put in the effort to manually weigh myself every day).

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    Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    JCRooks wrote: »
    I'm also cell phone less, but my friends have no problem getting ahold of me because I work out of my home, so they can always call/email/instant message me and unless I'm out shopping or on a run I'll probably get the message eventually. Who the fuck really wants to be bugged all the time anyways?

    Luddite! :)

    My girlfriend and I joke about how life used to be like before cell phones (which we were a part of as well). What if you were late to a meet-up? How do you let your friends know that you're going to be late, or not to wait for you? What if the plan changes and you all need to go somewhere else? What if you're at the store and you really need a piece of information that's sitting in your e-mail account? (Shopping list, price of an item, etc.)

    Obviously all of these things, and more, were solved pre-cell phone. Just maybe not as efficiently (I seem to recall waiting around a lot more). But once you have one, it's pretty damn difficult to go back!

    Anyway, the next few months will be pretty boring (as usual?). What's the biggest game to come out recently? Sims 3?

    I've learned from having one in a previous job in which I was more or less on call 24/7 that I'd rather miss something or be late than have a phone own you body and soul. It was an additional expense I was glad to get rid of.

    When plans change they leave me an email or a message on my home phone. I've got a very decent memory so I rarely need a grocery list or a reminder of what errands I have to run. The only way I can really see it having a negative impact on my life is having a breakdown or getting lost in a car. GPS prevents the getting lost most of the time and flagging someone down who has a cellphone wouldn't be too hard. It's not like I drive cross country most of the time anyways, I take my bike when the weather isn't foul or if I'm day tripping with a friend they will most certainly have a cell phone.

    Games of may. Punchout might have a distant chance at a high number. Sims 3, EA Active will probably be number one or two.

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