I figure buying the dude a beer or two will pay for that one.
you may get dick punched
Eh, I still had the PoK. I'll let him roll a D6, if he gets a 1 he can dick punch me.
What is a PoK? Some kind of ward save?
Pendant of Khaeleth, the most broken item in the game. For 35 points, it gives you a ward save where you have to roll the strength of the hit or under to save. So, if you get hit by S5 or higher it's essentially like having a 2+ ward save, only with a 6 being a failure.
I figure buying the dude a beer or two will pay for that one.
you may get dick punched
Eh, I still had the PoK. I'll let him roll a D6, if he gets a 1 he can dick punch me.
What is a PoK? Some kind of ward save?
Pendant of Khaeleth, the most broken item in the game. For 35 points, it gives you a ward save where you have to roll the strength of the hit or under to save. So, if you get hit by S5 or higher it's essentially like having a 2+ ward save, only with a 6 being a failure.
EDIT - Ah, Pip, don't forget the equal to part!
So, Snotlings would be the counter to that.
Which would involve charging Snotlings into a Dreadlord.
what
EDIT: Oh, and has anyone fought an Organ Gun? Are they worth the points? y/n
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I figure buying the dude a beer or two will pay for that one.
you may get dick punched
Eh, I still had the PoK. I'll let him roll a D6, if he gets a 1 he can dick punch me.
What is a PoK? Some kind of ward save?
Pendant of Khaeleth, the most broken item in the game. For 35 points, it gives you a ward save where you have to roll the strength of the hit or under to save. So, if you get hit by S5 or higher it's essentially like having a 2+ ward save, only with a 6 being a failure.
EDIT - Ah, Pip, don't forget the equal to part!
So, Snotlings would be the counter to that.
Which would involve charging Snotlings into a Dreadlord.
what
EDIT: Oh, and has anyone fought an Organ Gun? Are they worth the points? y/n
Oh Lord I hate fighting Organ Guns. I consider people who take 2 in 1k games to be total assholes. As for low S attacks, that what armor saves are for. Things get even more crazy if you give the dude the Armor of Eternal Servitude (one of the most underpriced magic items in the game).
I don't think the PoK is as broken as it would be for other armies for the simple fact that Dreadlords are only toughness 3, and are suffering a lot more wounds than other lords.
Speaking of which, what are some good outfits for a Dreadlord on a Black Dragon?
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I don't think the PoK is as broken as it would be for other armies for the simple fact that Dreadlords are only toughness 3, and are suffering a lot more wounds than other lords.
Speaking of which, what are some good outfits for a Dreadlord on a Black Dragon?
Dreadlord on Cold One, Armor of Eternal Servitude, Pendant of Khaeleth, mundane shield. 1+ armor save, reverse ward save, regen.
If you hit him with low str attacks, he has a 1+ armor save. If you hit him with high str attacks he has what amounts to a 2+ ward save. Either way he has 4+ regen on top of that.
Yeah, good luck killing that cockmaster. The fucker even has 30 points left for a weapon. Thats some fucking bullshit.
Dreadlord on Cold One, Armor of Eternal Servitude, Pendant of Khaeleth, mundane shield. 1+ armor save, reverse ward save, regen.
If you hit him with low str attacks, he has a 1+ armor save. If you hit him with high str attacks he has what amounts to a 2+ ward save. Either way he has 4+ regen on top of that.
Yeah, good luck killing that cockmaster. The fucker even has 30 points left for a weapon. Thats some fucking bullshit.
The most inglorious death I have ever had with a BSB was when I lost a challenge to a gobbo with the Tricksy Trinket and the Sneaky Skewerer. We played closed lists, but he knew what my guy was. I just saw the gobbo coming at me and was like "lol wuteva."
Never again.
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Dreadlord on Cold One, Armor of Eternal Servitude, Pendant of Khaeleth, mundane shield. 1+ armor save, reverse ward save, regen.
If you hit him with low str attacks, he has a 1+ armor save. If you hit him with high str attacks he has what amounts to a 2+ ward save. Either way he has 4+ regen on top of that.
Yeah, good luck killing that cockmaster. The fucker even has 30 points left for a weapon. Thats some fucking bullshit.
The most inglorious death I have ever had with a BSB was when I lost a challenge to a gobbo with the Tricksy Trinket and the Sneaky Skewerer. We played closed lists, but he knew what my guy was. I just saw the gobbo coming at me and was like "lol wuteva."
As for the question for what to field on a Dragon, I'd suggest Armor of Darkness, PoK and maybe Caledor's Bane. Whatever weapon you take it up to you, but that'll at least auto-break chariots.
EDIT - or PoK, Blood Armor and Sword of Ruin. I'm really coming to love denying armor saves. One of these days I'm going to try the Black Amulet.
The thing that pisses me off about DE characters is how they're all "hey we pay 25 pts for a 1+ armor save or 35 pts for regen or 35 pts for a reverse ward save". And then I grapple with the WoC list, where i get shit like 50 points for regen and the common list magic items actually cost more than the cost in the BRB.
Back when I played High Elves, I actually had someone laugh when I told them the toughness of my lord once. Some of those DE items are definitely crazy though.
True, but you also get things I'd love to have my hands on, like the Chaos Runeshield, the Bronze Armor, Bloodskull Pendant, and some other things. The one good thing about your Regen item is that it's independent of armor, where most books it's tied. It's also worth noting that Regen usually seems to be around 50 points, it's just that DE got really lucky with that.
I do find it weird how the common costs change so greatly between armies. Kind of like when I found out HE pay 20 for dispel scrolls.
and the common list magic items actually cost more than the cost in the BRB.
That's because your statlines are above average though, right?
Chaos Armor for everyone, even mages! Horses that are as good as Cold Ones, but without Stupidity! Their fucking hero has WS7 and 4 attacks.
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So I want to build an effective Vampire Counts list without fielding special characters( because I hate them and believe they ruin the experience at medium point level games), and I am seriously having trouble winning at 1000 points. I built a 2000 point list for review, and I'd like it if the more experienced players would compare it to what they've seen in other Vampire counts lists. Keep in mind I'm using what I have bought or made myself.
Vampire Lord
Powers: Forbidden Lore (Know all VC spells or all of another lore), Master of the Black Arts (+2 Power Dice)
Equipment: +1 Magic Level, Book Arkhan
Vampire
Powers: Master of the Black Arts (+2 Power Dice)
Wight King
Equipment: BSB, Drakenhoff Banner (Regeneration)
Corpse Cart
Equipment: Balefire
Crypt Ghouls x20
Equipment: Champion
Skeleton Warriors x20
Equipment: Champion, Standard, Musician, War Banner
Zombies x20
Equipment: Standard, Musician
Grave Guard x10
Equipment: Champion, Standard, Musician, Great Weapons, Royal Standard of Strigos (Grants Hatred)
Spirit Hosts x3
Cairn Wraiths x5
Equipment: Banshee
2000 points
I'm using the ethereal units as flankers to deny ranks and cause Terror tests to low leadership units like war machine crews. The emphasis is clearly on magic, but I don't think it's too beardy. Zombies are there as a tarpit and as filler since I lack another core unit to fill the slot.
I would probably take Black Knights over Spirit hosts. They have 1" of movement over the Hosts, and while they have half the attacks they're more likely to get wounds. They're more vulnerable, but you're still talking about T4, AS2+. You can give them the Banner of the Dead Legion and be a real prick, and still have points to put a Necromancer on the Corpse Cart.
and the common list magic items actually cost more than the cost in the BRB.
That's because your statlines are above average though, right?
Chaos Armor for everyone, even mages! Horses that are as good as Cold Ones, but without Stupidity! Their fucking hero has WS7 and 4 attacks.
The downside, though, is that you pay out the ass for a lot of those stats regardless if you want them or not. All the stats in the world aren't doing me any good if you have to roll a 1-2, followed by a 6, followed by a 1-3 to take a fucking wound. If you stack enough awesome and cheap effects on any model, it can compete.
and the common list magic items actually cost more than the cost in the BRB.
That's because your statlines are above average though, right?
Chaos Armor for everyone, even mages! Horses that are as good as Cold Ones, but without Stupidity! Their fucking hero has WS7 and 4 attacks.
The downside, though, is that you pay out the ass for a lot of those stats regardless if you want them or not. All the stats in the world aren't doing me any good if you have to roll a 1-2, followed by a 6, followed by a 1-3 to take a fucking wound.
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
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I would probably take Black Knights over Spirit hosts. They have 1" of movement over the Hosts, and while they have half the attacks they're more likely to get wounds. They're more vulnerable, but you're still talking about T4, AS2+. You can give them the Banner of the Dead Legion and be a real prick, and still have points to put a Necromancer on the Corpse Cart.
Cool! What do you think of Cairn Wraiths?
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and the common list magic items actually cost more than the cost in the BRB.
That's because your statlines are above average though, right?
Chaos Armor for everyone, even mages! Horses that are as good as Cold Ones, but without Stupidity! Their fucking hero has WS7 and 4 attacks.
The downside, though, is that you pay out the ass for a lot of those stats regardless if you want them or not. All the stats in the world aren't doing me any good if you have to roll a 1-2, followed by a 6, followed by a 1-3 to take a fucking wound.
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
Rhinox riders 8-)
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I would probably take Black Knights over Spirit hosts. They have 1" of movement over the Hosts, and while they have half the attacks they're more likely to get wounds. They're more vulnerable, but you're still talking about T4, AS2+. You can give them the Banner of the Dead Legion and be a real prick, and still have points to put a Necromancer on the Corpse Cart.
Cool! What do you think of Cairn Wraiths?
they can be really nasty, especially with a banshee, against most armies
and the common list magic items actually cost more than the cost in the BRB.
That's because your statlines are above average though, right?
Chaos Armor for everyone, even mages! Horses that are as good as Cold Ones, but without Stupidity! Their fucking hero has WS7 and 4 attacks.
The downside, though, is that you pay out the ass for a lot of those stats regardless if you want them or not. All the stats in the world aren't doing me any good if you have to roll a 1-2, followed by a 6, followed by a 1-3 to take a fucking wound.
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
I would probably take Black Knights over Spirit hosts. They have 1" of movement over the Hosts, and while they have half the attacks they're more likely to get wounds. They're more vulnerable, but you're still talking about T4, AS2+. You can give them the Banner of the Dead Legion and be a real prick, and still have points to put a Necromancer on the Corpse Cart.
Cool! What do you think of Cairn Wraiths?
they can be really nasty, especially with a banshee, against most armies
Yeah, Banshees are pretty fucking brutal to low leadership armies. Honestly, so many things are. I don't think I could ever play an army where I'm not comfortably walking around with anything less than 9 because of some of the bullshit in this game.
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and the common list magic items actually cost more than the cost in the BRB.
That's because your statlines are above average though, right?
Chaos Armor for everyone, even mages! Horses that are as good as Cold Ones, but without Stupidity! Their fucking hero has WS7 and 4 attacks.
The downside, though, is that you pay out the ass for a lot of those stats regardless if you want them or not. All the stats in the world aren't doing me any good if you have to roll a 1-2, followed by a 6, followed by a 1-3 to take a fucking wound.
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
they are also balls ass expensive
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I would probably take Black Knights over Spirit hosts. They have 1" of movement over the Hosts, and while they have half the attacks they're more likely to get wounds. They're more vulnerable, but you're still talking about T4, AS2+. You can give them the Banner of the Dead Legion and be a real prick, and still have points to put a Necromancer on the Corpse Cart.
Cool! What do you think of Cairn Wraiths?
they can be really nasty, especially with a banshee, against most armies
Yeah, Banshees are pretty fucking brutal to low leadership armies. Honestly, so many things are. I don't think I could ever play an army where I'm not comfortably walking around with anything less than 9 because of some of the bullshit in this game.
oh hey I'm a ld 7 orc what is that light coming out of that gold coffin oh god my eyes where did all the goblin's head go
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
they are also balls ass expensive
Says the guy who just brought up rhinox riders
Yeah they're pretty costly.
@a duck!: So if I drop the Hosts, I have room for minimum Black Knights with command and Banner of the Dead Legion. After that, I have 10 points, so I gave both vampires Biting Blades.
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
they are also balls ass expensive
Says the guy who just brought up rhinox riders
Yeah they're pretty costly.
@a duck!: So if I drop the Hosts, I have room for minimum Black Knights with command and Banner of the Dead Legion. After that, I have 10 points, so I gave both vampires Biting Blades.
That's a good idea, because you never know when someone is going to whore Etheral units on you!
Were I speaking to you in person I'd be tearing out your throat at the last part of that sentence.
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Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
they are also balls ass expensive
Says the guy who just brought up rhinox riders
Yeah they're pretty costly.
@a duck!: So if I drop the Hosts, I have room for minimum Black Knights with command and Banner of the Dead Legion. After that, I have 10 points, so I gave both vampires Biting Blades.
That's a good idea, because you never know when someone is going to whore Etheral units on you!
Were I speaking to you in person I'd be tearing out your throat at the last part of that sentence.
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
they are also balls ass expensive
Says the guy who just brought up rhinox riders
Yeah they're pretty costly.
@a duck!: So if I drop the Hosts, I have room for minimum Black Knights with command and Banner of the Dead Legion. After that, I have 10 points, so I gave both vampires Biting Blades.
That's a good idea, because you never know when someone is going to whore Etheral units on you!
Were I speaking to you in person I'd be tearing out your throat at the last part of that sentence.
I'm dumb. So I'm 5 points short on the list. That drives me mad.
So is this list good then if I do that?
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
they are also balls ass expensive
Says the guy who just brought up rhinox riders
EDIT: Also, I only took 1 unit of Khorne knights. The other unit of knights was Tzeentch.
Uh huh, Tzeentch with Blasted Standard, or Tzeentch with Banner of Rage (pretty much making them Khorne).
It was actually Tzeentch with Blasted Standard and regular knights with Rage banner.
I'm curious, why do it that way? It's cheaper to Mark them by 5 points (admittedly, not much!), although you can lose it with the Mark, where you can't with the Banner. But how often do you lose combats with those hose beasts?
@a duck!: So if I drop the Hosts, I have room for minimum Black Knights with command and Banner of the Dead Legion. After that, I have 10 points, so I gave both vampires Biting Blades.
Biting Blade is still "unique" even though it's a common magic item, FYI.
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Guys, sorry to get between your hardcore Warhammer debate, but do any of you know what these are? there are 3 models here and they are from 1995. I know one is from the dark elves, but the other 2 are a mystery. They use to be my brothers from a long time ago.
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"your a moron you know that wolves have packs wich they rely on nd they could ever here of lone wolves? you an idiot and your gay, wolves have packs and are smart with tactics" - Youtube Wolf Enthusiast.
I'm curious, why do it that way? It's cheaper to Mark them by 5 points (admittedly, not much!), although you can lose it with the Mark, where you can't with the Banner. But how often do you lose combats with those hose beasts?
5 points extra points to never lose the frenzy is worth it. I have lost combats with them before, to things like goddamn hydras.
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a ward save that is taken at the attackers strength
only you have to roll under it
a 6 always fails
Pendant of Khaeleth, the most broken item in the game. For 35 points, it gives you a ward save where you have to roll the strength of the hit or under to save. So, if you get hit by S5 or higher it's essentially like having a 2+ ward save, only with a 6 being a failure.
EDIT - Ah, Pip, don't forget the equal to part!
So, Snotlings would be the counter to that.
Which would involve charging Snotlings into a Dreadlord.
what
EDIT: Oh, and has anyone fought an Organ Gun? Are they worth the points? y/n
Oh Lord I hate fighting Organ Guns. I consider people who take 2 in 1k games to be total assholes. As for low S attacks, that what armor saves are for. Things get even more crazy if you give the dude the Armor of Eternal Servitude (one of the most underpriced magic items in the game).
Speaking of which, what are some good outfits for a Dreadlord on a Black Dragon?
2 hydras
If you hit him with low str attacks, he has a 1+ armor save. If you hit him with high str attacks he has what amounts to a 2+ ward save. Either way he has 4+ regen on top of that.
Yeah, good luck killing that cockmaster. The fucker even has 30 points left for a weapon. Thats some fucking bullshit.
You a bitch
The most inglorious death I have ever had with a BSB was when I lost a challenge to a gobbo with the Tricksy Trinket and the Sneaky Skewerer. We played closed lists, but he knew what my guy was. I just saw the gobbo coming at me and was like "lol wuteva."
Never again.
pffft ahahahaha
EDIT - or PoK, Blood Armor and Sword of Ruin. I'm really coming to love denying armor saves. One of these days I'm going to try the Black Amulet.
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I do find it weird how the common costs change so greatly between armies. Kind of like when I found out HE pay 20 for dispel scrolls.
That's because your statlines are above average though, right?
Chaos Armor for everyone, even mages! Horses that are as good as Cold Ones, but without Stupidity! Their fucking hero has WS7 and 4 attacks.
Powers: Forbidden Lore (Know all VC spells or all of another lore), Master of the Black Arts (+2 Power Dice)
Equipment: +1 Magic Level, Book Arkhan
Vampire
Powers: Master of the Black Arts (+2 Power Dice)
Wight King
Equipment: BSB, Drakenhoff Banner (Regeneration)
Corpse Cart
Equipment: Balefire
Crypt Ghouls x20
Equipment: Champion
Skeleton Warriors x20
Equipment: Champion, Standard, Musician, War Banner
Zombies x20
Equipment: Standard, Musician
Grave Guard x10
Equipment: Champion, Standard, Musician, Great Weapons, Royal Standard of Strigos (Grants Hatred)
Spirit Hosts x3
Cairn Wraiths x5
Equipment: Banshee
2000 points
I'm using the ethereal units as flankers to deny ranks and cause Terror tests to low leadership units like war machine crews. The emphasis is clearly on magic, but I don't think it's too beardy. Zombies are there as a tarpit and as filler since I lack another core unit to fill the slot.
The downside, though, is that you pay out the ass for a lot of those stats regardless if you want them or not. All the stats in the world aren't doing me any good if you have to roll a 1-2, followed by a 6, followed by a 1-3 to take a fucking wound. If you stack enough awesome and cheap effects on any model, it can compete.
Am I really supposed to sit here and take this from a guy who runs multiple Khorne Chaos Knights? The best cavalry in the whole game?
Cool! What do you think of Cairn Wraiths?
Rhinox riders 8-)
they can be really nasty, especially with a banshee, against most armies
They're not "the best", just "the best for the points". 8-)
Yeah, Banshees are pretty fucking brutal to low leadership armies. Honestly, so many things are. I don't think I could ever play an army where I'm not comfortably walking around with anything less than 9 because of some of the bullshit in this game.
they are also balls ass expensive
oh hey I'm a ld 7 orc what is that light coming out of that gold coffin oh god my eyes where did all the goblin's head go
Says the guy who just brought up rhinox riders
EDIT: Also, I only took 1 unit of Khorne knights. The other unit of knights was Tzeentch.
Yeah they're pretty costly.
@a duck!: So if I drop the Hosts, I have room for minimum Black Knights with command and Banner of the Dead Legion. After that, I have 10 points, so I gave both vampires Biting Blades.
That's a good idea, because you never know when someone is going to whore Etheral units on you!
Were I speaking to you in person I'd be tearing out your throat at the last part of that sentence.
it was a joke you butt
just play demons
Uh huh, Tzeentch with Blasted Standard, or Tzeentch with Banner of Rage (pretty much making them Khorne).
See.. what I read it as was "they're the best for the points, AND they cost a buttload of points" Making them fuckawesome.
sorry pip i will read your mind next time
So is this list good then if I do that?
It was actually Tzeentch with Blasted Standard and regular knights with Rage banner.
I'm curious, why do it that way? It's cheaper to Mark them by 5 points (admittedly, not much!), although you can lose it with the Mark, where you can't with the Banner. But how often do you lose combats with those hose beasts?
Biting Blade is still "unique" even though it's a common magic item, FYI.
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5 points extra points to never lose the frenzy is worth it. I have lost combats with them before, to things like goddamn hydras.