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The Five H's: Hate, Hope, Happiness, and Hard Modes

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Effective Health Points.

    There are basically three things working in concert to keep tanks alive

    1. Healing. Simple, restores the health the tank has lost. Obivously, the tank has to still have health remaining after he takes damage for healing to do anything at all.

    2. The tank's avoidance. This simply prevents him from taking damage, but its chance. Increasing it increases his chance to survive and take no damage from a given attack, but is not certain.

    3. Effective Health. This is armor, HP, and absorb effects like Power Word Shield. These directly reduce the damage the tank takes. Every healer class has some way of buffing this. Shaman have Ancestral Awakening and Stoneskin Totem. Paladins have Devotion Aura, Sacred Shield, and Blessing of Kings. Priests have Fort, Inspiration, and their shield spells. Druids have Mark of the Wild. Not too sure whether druids have anything else too.

    The kicker is that of the four classes, three don't even have to be healing to use their most powerful EHP buffs, they're static. Additionally Warriors have Commanding Shout and Warlocks have Blood Pact (though they don't stack), and they aren't healing classes at all.

    Shaman have no big static EHP buffs, which isn't really the shaman's fault, but it does make tanking raid content without any of the other three present in any capacity more difficult.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Inspiration/Ancestral Awakening are more powerful than Fort.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Inspiration/Ancestral Awakening are more powerful than Fort.

    They are procs, not static.

    Uptime on fort is 100%, uptime on insp/awakening is <100%

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Arguably, as long as you have at least one priest and shaman, the uptime is 100%.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Arguably, as long as you have at least one properly geared and specced priest and shaman who knows what they are doing, the uptime is 100% after the initial pull.

    This group did not really fall into those categories.

    Looking back I think the OT may not have even been crit immune, which explains a lot.

    It was a bad group and the badness of that group and its composition is not an indictment of resto shaman in general.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    HATE: Gearing myself as a tank. JUGGLE DEFENSE STATS STAY CAPPED BOOST AVOIDANCE ALSO EXPERTISE BY THE WAY OOPS LOWER THAN THE DEFENSE CAP AGAIN

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  • CharusCharus Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    HATE: Gearing myself as a tank. JUGGLE DEFENSE STATS STAY CAPPED BOOST AVOIDANCE ALSO EXPERTISE BY THE WAY OOPS LOWER THAN THE DEFENSE CAP AGAIN

    Sounds like someone should roll a druid alt. My gearing process is two simple steps:

    Step 1: Get rogue gear.

    Step 2: Put stamina gems in it.

    Unrelated Happy: Vezax 25 Hard mode down, huzzah. It only took us like four months and major nerfs to get our casters to not die to shadow crash, mostly.

    One unexpected sticking point in this fight was interrupts. We couldn't get two hit-capped non-shaman interrupters (seriously, wtf Shattered Oath death knights), so we had to use two shamans. The two second spell lockout on wind shear meant that we interrupted about 115 Searing Flame casts over the course of the kill. And I didn't just make up a really big number, the shamans combined for 104 interrupts between them and random people spot-interrupted about 10 more.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    HATE: Gearing myself as a tank. JUGGLE DEFENSE STATS STAY CAPPED BOOST AVOIDANCE ALSO EXPERTISE BY THE WAY OOPS LOWER THAN THE DEFENSE CAP AGAIN

    Tanking stats is a dark art. I find chicken entrails to work best, but others swear by reading tea leaves.

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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2009
    Hevach wrote: »
    Hate: "Additional Instance Cannot Be Launched"

    Double Hate: They aren't gonna do anything about it, are they?

    They do seem to have given colisseum instances priority, even when instance shortages are at their worst on my server, you can usually walk right into the new 5 man or raids without a hiccup.

    I think we have a finite number of instance servers and so some instances have to be given priority over others.

    Some people in guild trying to level their 2nd and 3rd alts were trying to get in SFK this weekend and couldn't and were bitching. Gah.

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  • mattclemmattclem Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Happy: The most ridiculously perfect day -

    In 10-man Ulduar:
    Unbroken (Guild first, not that it's all that tough!)
    Thorim hardmode (Guild second)
    Freya+2 (Guild first. I'm sure we could have done +3 having seen the nerfs)
    Vezax hardmode (Guild first)
    Yogg-saron no-death oneshot, leading to, for many of us:
    Champion of Ulduar (Alliance first on our server)
    Iron Council - Steelbreaker Last (Guild first)

    Feeling rather pleased with ourselves, we strolled off to Sarth+3 to use up the remaining time:
    *FINALLY* got Gotta Go When The Volcano Blows
    Rolled 100 on the drake.

    And after all that broke up, went off to do the outland fishing quest and got Muckbreath. Just one croc to go!

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  • Redcoat-13Redcoat-13 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Elldren wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Inspiration/Ancestral Awakening are more powerful than Fort.

    They are procs, not static.

    Uptime on fort is 100%, uptime on insp/awakening is <100%

    I'd be surprised that if you had a shaman healing the MT, Ancestral Awakening would not be on the tank 100% of the time. It lasts for 15 seconds and you'd have to be incredibly unlucky to not have at least one healing crit land in that time, considering the new tidal waves change.

    Anyway, slight happy; with the new levelling via pvp I ended up in an incredibly silly AV. This bg seems to be full of non-80's, all wanting to level, and they know that in order to get their experience, they need to win the game.

    So despite my slight concern that my side was going to get spanked, all the low levels went off and zerged the attackers at galv, and then stopped anybody getting any towers. They certainly played better than alot of the old games with 80's just rushing to the end.

    I quite enjoyed healing level 72's against level 80's, and seeing the 80's die.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hate: Questhelper doesn't seem to be working properly...it shows quest turnins on the map, but not the icons that show you where to go for each quest.

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  • mattclemmattclem Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Oh, yes, Hate-and-I'm-interested-in-hearing-your-suggestions:

    Trophy of the Crusade, the T9 tier token. Somewhat struggling to determine just how to handle this in our loot system, the idea of an item which can fit one of five slots *and* on top of that won't actually be cashed in for quite some time is proving a bit of a problem from the point of view of trying to coax players to take it; they're understandably reluctant to take an item now that they won't be able to use for several weeks (at least two if they farm the heck out of heroic dailies) - and in converting the tier item they lose out on emblem items. On top of that the *heroic* tier token (Regalia) - when we start being able to get them - don't have that time delay before you can make use of them and would be direct upgrades from any of the earlier tier items.

    I think the key to making it attractive is to emphasise the one-of-five-slots factor, since you're not committing to an item to fill *one* slot, you're going for one that can fit *any* slot and you can choose which when you actually have enough emblems - so if you fill the slot you were planning to use it in you can just re-plan for another.

    We're arguing around the point right now, but we're going to need to make a decision in a couple of days.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    calculate the minimum number of weeks before you could reasonably expect to have enough badges for your first tier piece. charge minimum points for the item until then, then jack it up to normal tier prices after then. this encourages people to pick it up while its cheap.

    if you don't use a points system this doesnt apply obviouly

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hate: Was passed over on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45326 because its "not a druid tanking ring".

    Only 2nd BIS out of Ulduar but you know. I hope they kept wiping after I left :V

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hate: Was passed over on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45326 because its "not a druid tanking ring".

    Only 2nd BIS out of Ulduar but you know. I hope they kept wiping after I left :V

    Were there other non druid tanks rolling on it? Because I kind of understand their point then.

    For example if a spellcaster ring with +hit on it is a huge upgrade for a healer as well as a huge upgrade for a dps... I would unequivocally give it to the dps. If you want to complain about anything, you should complain to Blizzard that there should be more rings for you.

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  • BigityBigity Lubbock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Why? A druid benefits from all of those stats, especially if they are hitting the DR on dodge.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hate: Was passed over on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45326 because its "not a druid tanking ring".

    Only 2nd BIS out of Ulduar but you know. I hope they kept wiping after I left :V

    Were there other non druid tanks rolling on it? Because I kind of understand their point then.

    For example if a spellcaster ring with +hit on it is a huge upgrade for a healer as well as a huge upgrade for a dps... I would unequivocally give it to the dps. If you want to complain about anything, you should complain to Blizzard that there should be more rings for you.

    I was rolling for Druid tanking, the ring has Druid tanking stats

    I fail to understand your argument.

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  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    It was me being a tard. I actually for some reason didn't think that druids could even benefit from def rating.

    Whoops.

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  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Happy: Edge of Ruin on my first attempt of Heroic ToC. Hells yeah.

    Happy #2: Crocolisks in the City yielded a baby croc!
    Hate: It was one I already had :|

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  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Bigity wrote: »
    Why? A druid benefits from all of those stats, especially if they are hitting the DR on dodge.

    I can't imagine there being too many druids that do not hit the DR on dodge, it starts almost immediately.

    http://main.someonesafterlife.com/diminishing-returns

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    :x: LF tank UK HC 30,000+ HP required

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  • PerytonPeryton Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Happy: When WOTLK first came out and my druid used to be an herbalist, I made a macro that I would spam while flying around in Storm Peaks picking herbs which basically was just:

    /target Dirkee
    /target Vyragosa
    /target Time

    In all the time I spent herbing I found Dirkee a few times and only found Vyragosa dead once; never Time-Lost Proto-Drake. Eventually I expanded that macro to be the button I hit for max camera distance as well as dismounting vehicles, and I have it on all of my characters.

    Well, early Saturday morning I logged on my death knight to do the JC daily quick, and I mount up and fly out to kill some iron dwarves in Storm Peaks. I am coming up to the harpy valley and hit the macro button to fix camera distance and what do you know...I target Time-Lost Proto-Drake for like 1 second and then it disappears. I nearly shit myself and immediately panic trying to find out where it went, flying in a big circle mashing the macro and finally pick him up again as he's flying east hugging the mountain line. The problem is that there is literally no way for me to grab him as he's about a mile above the ground below him so with my hands literally shaking I'm just flying along with him and trying to watch out for any other players. After about 30 seconds of this he finally takes a turn into the other entrance of the harpy valley (above that frozen waterfall thing) and I'm able to dismount and pull him with howling blast and kill him just as another horde flies up.

    The best part is that this is the character that needed a sweet mount the most (druid has all the raiding proto drakes, priest has rusty proto and twilight drake, paladin has almost rusty proto and black drake).

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    815165 wrote: »
    :x: LF tank UK HC 30,000+ HP required

    I see that and raise you
    Lf healer for TOC no shamans, priests or paladins? It was from a shaman who does not want another shaman for anything even if it's a 25man run

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Arguably, as long as you have at least one priest and shaman, the uptime is 100%.

    ^^^

    Happiness: Ding, 80 #5 (Paladin). Also <3 my guildies for dragging my undergeared ass through heroics, have half a prot set already.

    Hope: I'm not terrible at tanking, it's been well... The last thing I tanked was ZA and Hyjal on my Druid.

    Hate: Thorium. (I'm leveling BS. At 295 so those last 5 points are only like what, 70 more stacks? Ugh.)

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  • Thomase1984Thomase1984 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Whats with all the shaman these days? Did everyone have this miraculous idea to re-roll for 3.2?

    Luckily my guild only has one :P So I ended up busting my ass and in the first two days of 3.2? 2/5 t8.5, tons of healing upgrades from the instances run and enough conq badges to buy a couple additional off set pieces.

    Was alot of fun, did the 10 man Tournament and the heroics a bunch and walked away with alot of nice swag. SWAG.

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  • mattclemmattclem Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Whats with all the shaman these days? Did everyone have this miraculous idea to re-roll for 3.2?

    Bizarrely - as someone who was used to occasionally running Molten Core with 5+ paladins (I think our record was eight), it's been really strange in the last couple of months to be outnumbered by shammies. Certainly not complaining - I think the lack of reliable Heroism really hindered us throughout TBC.

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Re: Shamans

    We did an Altiseum last night... 8 Shamans; 4 Resto, 2 Ele, 2 Enhance. I haven't seen that many Shamans since Sunwell.....

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  • NeylaNeyla Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Just shows the DK phase is finally burning out :P /cheer

    Was so tired of hearing DKs in general chat whine that there is no one to heal them, maybe they finally got a clue and rerolled restro sham.

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  • Thomase1984Thomase1984 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Funny enough, I did go from a DK to a shaman :P

    It was more due to the fact that I liked the play style and group play of shaman rather than DKs. Also, I don't think Blizzard has a clue what they are doing with DKs (similar to pallies).

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Ishtaar wrote: »
    Hate: Thorium. (I'm leveling BS. At 295 so those last 5 points are only like what, 70 more stacks? Ugh.)

    What I did was chain farm DM East when I leveled BS. Enter in the entrance at the east side of the "T" as you come into DM, jump down into the garden, then run up and kill the satyr boss, then go in and kill the last boss. You can skip all the mobs, and the tunnel exit has 2-3 Rich Thorium Veins always.

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  • tallgeezetallgeeze Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hate: The Alliance and it's douchebagginess. I log on to my dwarf rogue that I rarely play because everytime I do I get annoyed by any chat that I come across. I'm at the auction house seeing what's on and some random guy whispers "you suck as a rogue". I had to laugh because it came out of nowhere.

    Granted, horde isn't that much better, but at least I have to say something first to get a reponse like that.

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  • PoketpixiePoketpixie Siege Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Brainleech wrote: »
    815165 wrote: »
    :x: LF tank UK HC 30,000+ HP required

    I see that and raise you
    Lf healer for TOC no shamans, priests or paladins? It was from a shaman who does not want another shaman for anything even if it's a 25man run

    I hate that crap. I can kinda see not wanting to invite another of the same class on a 5-man or maybe even a 10 man but 25 man? Suck it up and deal with having more people of your class along. Also, much hate for all the "have the achievement, be geared, know the fight, yadda yadda". Sorry, I'm not sporting full tier 15 for your regular Nexus run. :?

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  • NeylaNeyla Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    WTF?: anyone else on their server noticing a flux in dead black female (warlock it hink, all in red robes)corpses in SW near the AH that all lay out and spell some website? I will have to kudos to those gold farmers, that is creative and I like that alot better then the whispers or channel spam.

    Couple days ago i saw a mass of them running around, getting into position etc, but i didn't stick around to see what they were doing. Last night I just happen to get back in SW to see the final result... saddly i am at work so i don't have a screen shot :(

    Hope: algalon 10 kill. And i get to be the "dispersion tank" /flex.

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  • RavynBlackheartRavynBlackheart Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Neyla wrote: »
    WTF?: anyone else on their server noticing a flux in dead black female (warlock it hink, all in red robes)corpses in SW near the AH that all lay out and spell some website? I will have to kudos to those gold farmers, that is creative and I like that alot better then the whispers or channel spam.

    Couple days ago i saw a mass of them running around, getting into position etc, but i didn't stick around to see what they were doing. Last night I just happen to get back in SW to see the final result... saddly i am at work so i don't have a screen shot :(

    Hope: algalon 10 kill. And i get to be the "dispersion tank" /flex.

    I get that a lot on my server, I ALWAYS open a ticket to get that shit cleared out. They use an exploit to die in the right position and I really don't feel like paying my 15 bucks a month to be hounded to buy gold

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  • SaraLunaSaraLuna Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Happy #2: Crocolisks in the City yielded a baby croc!
    Hate: It was one I already had :|

    happened to me the other day too :(

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  • WetsunWetsun Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Swift Zulian Tiger (#91).

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  • ArrathArrath Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Man I want a tiger so bad.

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  • Racist JokeRacist Joke Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Peryton wrote: »
    Happy: When WOTLK first came out and my druid used to be an herbalist, I made a macro that I would spam while flying around in Storm Peaks picking herbs which basically was just:

    /target Dirkee
    /target Vyragosa
    /target Time

    In all the time I spent herbing I found Dirkee a few times and only found Vyragosa dead once; never Time-Lost Proto-Drake. Eventually I expanded that macro to be the button I hit for max camera distance as well as dismounting vehicles, and I have it on all of my characters.

    Well, early Saturday morning I logged on my death knight to do the JC daily quick, and I mount up and fly out to kill some iron dwarves in Storm Peaks. I am coming up to the harpy valley and hit the macro button to fix camera distance and what do you know...I target Time-Lost Proto-Drake for like 1 second and then it disappears. I nearly shit myself and immediately panic trying to find out where it went, flying in a big circle mashing the macro and finally pick him up again as he's flying east hugging the mountain line. The problem is that there is literally no way for me to grab him as he's about a mile above the ground below him so with my hands literally shaking I'm just flying along with him and trying to watch out for any other players. After about 30 seconds of this he finally takes a turn into the other entrance of the harpy valley (above that frozen waterfall thing) and I'm able to dismount and pull him with howling blast and kill him just as another horde flies up.

    The best part is that this is the character that needed a sweet mount the most (druid has all the raiding proto drakes, priest has rusty proto and twilight drake, paladin has almost rusty proto and black drake).

    All I want is one proto mount. I don't give a shit which one, just any of them. I think they are the coolest looking flying mounts in the game.

    I have never seen the time lost corpse. I've been camping that bitch for months.

    No one runs UP except if it's the daily. Now with everyone running heroics again, hopefully it is the daily for numerous days (we've gotten gundrak alot actually).

    No one wants to bother doing heroic achievements. Now that gear is alot better, you'd think people would want to do em. I still need a fair number left to even think of getting the red.

    My luck with the egg sucks. Been doing it since dec and nothing.

    I don't raid (my server is the fucking boonies, fuck) I just don't have the time also.

    Ever since I've seen the model for the proto's, I've always wanted one. I think I'm never gonna get one :(

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Peryton wrote: »
    Happy: When WOTLK first came out and my druid used to be an herbalist, I made a macro that I would spam while flying around in Storm Peaks picking herbs which basically was just:

    /target Dirkee
    /target Vyragosa
    /target Time

    In all the time I spent herbing I found Dirkee a few times and only found Vyragosa dead once; never Time-Lost Proto-Drake. Eventually I expanded that macro to be the button I hit for max camera distance as well as dismounting vehicles, and I have it on all of my characters.

    Well, early Saturday morning I logged on my death knight to do the JC daily quick, and I mount up and fly out to kill some iron dwarves in Storm Peaks. I am coming up to the harpy valley and hit the macro button to fix camera distance and what do you know...I target Time-Lost Proto-Drake for like 1 second and then it disappears. I nearly shit myself and immediately panic trying to find out where it went, flying in a big circle mashing the macro and finally pick him up again as he's flying east hugging the mountain line. The problem is that there is literally no way for me to grab him as he's about a mile above the ground below him so with my hands literally shaking I'm just flying along with him and trying to watch out for any other players. After about 30 seconds of this he finally takes a turn into the other entrance of the harpy valley (above that frozen waterfall thing) and I'm able to dismount and pull him with howling blast and kill him just as another horde flies up.

    The best part is that this is the character that needed a sweet mount the most (druid has all the raiding proto drakes, priest has rusty proto and twilight drake, paladin has almost rusty proto and black drake).

    All I want is one proto mount. I don't give a shit which one, just any of them. I think they are the coolest looking flying mounts in the game.

    I have never seen the time lost corpse. I've been camping that bitch for months.

    No one runs UP except if it's the daily. Now with everyone running heroics again, hopefully it is the daily for numerous days (we've gotten gundrak alot actually).

    No one wants to bother doing heroic achievements. Now that gear is alot better, you'd think people would want to do em. I still need a fair number left to even think of getting the red.

    My luck with the egg sucks. Been doing it since dec and nothing.

    I don't raid (my server is the fucking boonies, fuck) I just don't have the time also.

    Ever since I've seen the model for the proto's, I've always wanted one. I think I'm never gonna get one :(

    Tell me about it. I've seen the Time Lost twice - its corpse, anyways. D:

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