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Philips introduces 21:9 tv

vrstvrst Registered User regular
So, Philips have a 2.39:1 tv out! It looks like this:


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Quite interesting. For those of you that aren't familiar with screen dimensions: 2.39:1 (or 21:9) are the dimensions in which most (blockbuster) movies are shot and shown nowadays. It's wider than 16:9, which are the standard widescreen dimensions. Your widescreen tv is 16:9.

So, what do you think? Too soon? I can't see anyone but very rich cinema enthusiasts buy this. Nothing on tv is 21:9, and 4:3 will look very very tiny.

Thoughts?

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Seems like something a person would stick in their "media room" that was actually separate from the living room and purpose built for watching media.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I still use an old CRT that's probably 17" or so to watch TV and play PS2. Well, that's what it's for anyways, I don't actually watch TV so I had the basic cable turned off and I haven't played my PS2 in years. I don't even know if the TV is plugged in anymore to be honest.

    Just saying, while it's nice that they're making bigger and better things I doubt I'll ever buy any of it. I have my PC and 360 hooked up to my 19" monitor so I don't even go into the living room except to pass through on the way to the kitchen. :D

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I have to admit, I hope this doesn't catch on outside of, well, theaters. That is just too horizontal for me.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Darmak, HDTVs are amazing.

    That said, I don't really see the advantage of this. The standardization of 16:9 LCD screens will make them get ever cheaper over time, since companies will be manufacturing more of those size screens. 21:9 screens will not be standard and not as many will be made, so they will be more expensize. If you want a bigger picture for movies, buy a bigger 16:9 screen and deal with the black bars on the top and bottom.

    16:9 exists specifically because it is a size compromise between 2.39:1 and 4:3.

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  • RohanRohan Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah, saw this listed last week on Komplett. Unbelievable stuff. Komplett had two videos listed on their site -

    Demo reel

    Philips' 2009 line-up including another demo reel for the 21:9

    Of course, I doubt many are going to buy this thing, but it's nice to dream :)

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    You know, I wonder when it's going to stop.

    Or is the aspect ratio going to be 15:2 one day?

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Maybe people will finally start referring to resolutions by both vertical and horizontal pixel counts, as simply calling this thing 1080p would be a considerable disservice.

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  • vrstvrst Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The marketing is so stupid. OMG MOVIES LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE LIKE IN THE CINEMA OMG!!!


    Er, the movies are exactly the same as on a 16:9 screen.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Synthesis wrote: »
    You know, I wonder when it's going to stop.

    Or is the aspect ratio going to be 15:2 one day?

    Our vision naturally tends more along the horizontal then the vertical axis in sort of a very elongated oval

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    You know, I wonder when it's going to stop.

    Or is the aspect ratio going to be 15:2 one day?

    Our vision naturally tends more along the horizontal then the vertical axis in sort of a very elongated oval

    Yes, but at a certain point, this is not accurate to human vision. At least my human vision--then again, wearing glasses for an astigmatism and having poor periphery vision on the whole makes me a less than accurate example of human vision.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    You know, I wonder when it's going to stop.

    Or is the aspect ratio going to be 15:2 one day?

    Our vision naturally tends more along the horizontal then the vertical axis in sort of a very elongated oval

    Yes, but at a certain point, this is not accurate to human vision. At least my human vision--then again, wearing glasses for an astigmatism and having poor periphery vision on the whole makes me a less than accurate example of human vision.

    Even with your glasses you're going to have a wider FOV on the horizontal then the verticle by nature of your two eyes stacking up horizontally instead of vertically.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    You know, I wonder when it's going to stop.

    Or is the aspect ratio going to be 15:2 one day?

    Our vision naturally tends more along the horizontal then the vertical axis in sort of a very elongated oval

    Yes, but at a certain point, this is not accurate to human vision. At least my human vision--then again, wearing glasses for an astigmatism and having poor periphery vision on the whole makes me a less than accurate example of human vision.

    Even with your glasses you're going to have a wider FOV on the horizontal then the verticle by nature of your two eyes stacking up horizontally instead of vertically.

    That's certainly true, but I'm beginning to think they've passed that with 21:9. Not to mention that your peripheral vision is going to be considerably more focused and clear on the horizontal extremes than the vertical ones for that same reason.

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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    In a nutshell this TV will get rid of the black bars at the top & bottom of movies.

    I've seen this before but I have not researched it yet. Without doing any checking I'm interested to see if it supports 2.55:1 among other aspect ratios for classic movies. Since Blu-ray supports a hell of a lot more than "16:9."

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    vrst wrote: »
    The marketing is so stupid. OMG MOVIES LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE LIKE IN THE CINEMA OMG!!!


    Er, the movies are exactly the same as on a 16:9 screen.
    That's not entirely true. The aspect will be the same, but if anything's deceptive, it's how film shot in 21:9 is marketed as 1080p, even though when properly displayed on a 1920 x 1080 16:9 panel, the image occupies 1920 x ~822 pixels. It's the fault of the display, and not of the content. This new Philips set would properly map 2560 x 1080 pixels, which makes for a considerable increase in detail for this particular aspect ratio.

    I can't wait to see how these things will look in living rooms when Wal-mart shoppers have them stretching 4:3 cable channels across the entire panel.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    4:3 rabbit ears no less

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Post Blue wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    The marketing is so stupid. OMG MOVIES LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE LIKE IN THE CINEMA OMG!!!


    Er, the movies are exactly the same as on a 16:9 screen.
    That's not entirely true. The aspect will be the same, but if anything's deceptive, it's how film shot in 21:9 is marketed as 1080p, even though when properly displayed on a 1920 x 1080 16:9 panel, the image occupies 1920 x ~822 pixels. It's the fault of the display, and not of the content. This new Philips set would properly map 2560 x 1080 pixels, which makes for a considerable increase in detail for this particular aspect ratio.

    I can't wait to see how these things will look in living rooms when Wal-mart shoppers have them stretching 4:3 cable channels across the entire panel.

    If I'm not mistaken, BR movies are encoded at 1920x1080. Who's going to start delivering movies at 2560x1080?

    It's not like anamorphic DVDs which took a 4:3 encoded movie and stretched out properly to 16:9. There isn't such a thing as an anamorphic blu-ray.

    Though, I suppose maybe there could be? I don't know, I'm not that well versed in the actual spec.

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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    4:3 rabbit ears no less

    Rabbit ears, that's a new name for the vertical bars to me. I'm used to hearing them called pillar boxes.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Even on DVDs its becoming quite common to find movies in anamorphic widescreen.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    4:3 rabbit ears no less

    Rabbit ears, that's a new name for the vertical bars to me. I'm used to hearing them called pillar boxes.

    I meant one of these
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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    4:3 rabbit ears no less

    Rabbit ears, that's a new name for the vertical bars to me. I'm used to hearing them called pillar boxes.

    I meant one of these
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    Ok that makes sense now. But those should no longer be working anymore as of tomorrow.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    4:3 rabbit ears no less

    Rabbit ears, that's a new name for the vertical bars to me. I'm used to hearing them called pillar boxes.
    Haha. Rabbit ears -- of the non-digital variety -- are the little antennas \_/ that pick up analog broadcasts. The joke is that the worst possible signal stretched all the way across one of these sets pretty much guarantees maximum suckage.

    Edit: Ah, okay. ^
    If I'm not mistaken, BR movies are encoded at 1920x1080. Who's going to start delivering movies at 2560x1080?

    It's not like anamorphic DVDs which took a 4:3 encoded movie and stretched out properly to 16:9. There isn't such a thing as an anamorphic blu-ray.

    Though, I suppose maybe there could be? I don't know, I'm not that well versed in the actual spec.
    Well I'm no expert either, but it's my understanding that natively encoded 2560 x 1980 content is both possible and on the horizon for the existing blu-ray format. Not likely without compromizes, but possible just the same.

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  • vrstvrst Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    vrst wrote: »
    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    If I could find a way to put more movie or tv there I would.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used. I also like watching movies in the theater, firmly believing that bigger is better when it comes to popcorn entertainment presented by Micheal Bay.

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  • vrstvrst Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Djeet wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    If I could find a way to put more movie or tv there I would.

    Fair enough, so you just all hate surfaces that are not showing video.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used.
    So when a bottle of Coke only fills a glass halfway, do you fill the rest with water?

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  • vrstvrst Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used. I also like watching movies in the theater, firmly believing that bigger is better when it comes to popcorn entertainment presented by Micheal Bay.

    Well yes, obviously, but that has nothing to do with the black bars themselves.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used. I also like watching movies in the theater, firmly believing that bigger is better when it comes to popcorn entertainment presented by Micheal Bay.
    So when a bottle of Coke only fills a glass halfway, do you fill the rest with water?

    No I grab another bottle of coke since my glass can obviously hold two

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    If I could find a way to put more movie or tv there I would.

    Fair enough, so you just all hate surfaces that are not showing video.

    I think it's got more to do with the feeling that you paid cash money for TV surface to watch films on, and said TV surface is simply resting idle as black bars and not rendering explosions for your visual enjoyment.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used. I also like watching movies in the theater, firmly believing that bigger is better when it comes to popcorn entertainment presented by Micheal Bay.
    So when a bottle of Coke only fills a glass halfway, do you fill the rest with water?

    No I grab another bottle of coke since my glass can obviously hold two
    Have you tried putting two DVDs into the player?

    Post Blue on
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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The black bars just blows the illusion that you're looking through a window into another world. When I got HD cable on my 16:9 set it just made TV worth watching again for me.

    I shouldn't say I hate black bars. I much prefer the absence of black bars. I'm sure black bars is a nice guy and all, and fun to drink with and whatnot. It's nothing personal.

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used. I also like watching movies in the theater, firmly believing that bigger is better when it comes to popcorn entertainment presented by Micheal Bay.
    So when a bottle of Coke only fills a glass halfway, do you fill the rest with water?

    No I grab another bottle of coke since my glass can obviously hold two
    Have you tried putting two DVDs into the player?

    Hey buddy it's your analogy

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Even on DVDs its becoming quite common to find movies in anamorphic widescreen.

    DVDs have been anamorphic for years. It's extremely rare to find a widescreen movie that isn't.

    Blu-rays, on the other hand, are not anamorphic. For movies wider than 16:9, the black bars are encoded into the 1920x1080 picture.

    Also, "anamorphic" means different things when you're talking about actually filming a movie (using an anamorphic lens to film a 2.39:1 movie onto film) versus a DVD (encoding a 2.39:1 image into a 16:9 ratio). Both do similar things, ie distorting a picture at the time of capture, either filming or encoding, then "undistorting" them at the time of viewing or decoding, but they're really different processes that have nothing to do with each other.

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used. I also like watching movies in the theater, firmly believing that bigger is better when it comes to popcorn entertainment presented by Micheal Bay.
    So when a bottle of Coke only fills a glass halfway, do you fill the rest with water?

    No I grab another bottle of coke since my glass can obviously hold two
    Have you tried putting two DVDs into the player?

    Hey buddy it's your analogy
    Just saying that the content's not actually there, so getting rid of the bars means either dilluting what is there or filling that space with something else entirely. But yeah, there's nothing wrong with wishing it weren't so.

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  • vrstvrst Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Djeet wrote: »
    The black bars just blows the illusion that you're looking through a window into another world. When I got HD cable on my 16:9 set it just made TV worth watching again for me.

    I shouldn't say I hate black bars. I much prefer the absence of black bars. I'm sure black bars is a nice guy and all, and fun to drink with and whatnot. It's nothing personal.

    Patronizing racism towards the black bars!

    Anyway, you have the illusion that you're looking through a window into another world when you watch a movie? Wow.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I highly recommend the program "sunrise earth" on discovery HD. Bikini Destinations is not nearly as cool as you'd think though, they need to pay more for talent.

    I didn't think it was a minority opinion to think movies are more immersive (izzat a word?) when there are no black bars.

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Black bars by themselves aren't great, but I'd much rather see the whole movie.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I actually saw that TV in a store today. I don't really see the point when most TV channels still broadcast in 4:3.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Post Blue wrote: »
    Robman wrote: »
    vrst wrote: »
    Djeet wrote: »
    I hate them black bars, which is why I'd like to install a CIH projector setup.

    I could see watching two 4:3 feeds side-by-side on one of these things. That would be nice. Woman can watch so you think you can dance and I could watch good eats. I'd tolerate wearing headphones.

    I always found people who can't stand black bars strange. It's such an irrational emotion. Do you hate the space above your television too?

    I like every square inch of my TV real estate to be used. I also like watching movies in the theater, firmly believing that bigger is better when it comes to popcorn entertainment presented by Micheal Bay.
    So when a bottle of Coke only fills a glass halfway, do you fill the rest with water?

    No I grab another bottle of coke since my glass can obviously hold two

    So what do you do for games that don't support widescreen resolutions on a widescreen monitor?

    Stretch them out? I know I stick with the aspect ratio because, while I don't like black bars, I don't like everything looking weird either.

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