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College Football 2009 Pre-Pre-TailGate
Element Brian
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Here is where we talk about everything that is COLLEGE FOOTBALL
I know this may seem a bit early, but theres some substantial stuff to talk about.
At the top of the list is Alabama Being forced to Vacate wins from 2005 to 2007
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4250596
For reference, here is the AP Poll of where teams stand.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex
1. Florida (48) 13-1 1,606
2. Utah (16) 13-0 1,519
3. USC (1) 12-1 1,481
4. Texas 12-1 1,478
5. Oklahoma 12-2 1,391
6. Alabama 12-2 1,264
7. TCU 11-2 1,193
8. Penn State 11-2 1,153
9. Ohio State 10-3 1,013
10. Oregon 10-3 997
11. Boise State 12-1 938
12. Texas Tech 11-2 916
13. Georgia 10-3 903
14. Mississippi 9-4 857
15. Virginia Tech 10-4 713
16. Oklahoma State 9-4 534
17. Cincinnati 11-3 506
18. Oregon State 9-4 467
19. Missouri 10-4 435
20. Iowa 9-4 317
21. Florida State 9-4 246
22. Georgia Tech 9-4 223
23. West Virginia 9-4 144
24. Michigan State 9-4 138
25. Brigham Young 10-3 137
as well as the USA Today Poll
1. Florida (60) 13-1 1,524
2. USC 12-1 1,393
3. Texas 12-1 1,389
4. Utah (1) 13-0 1,375
5. Oklahoma 12-2 1,333
6. Alabama 12-2 1,157
7. TCU 11-2 1,114
8. Penn State 11-2 1,091
9. Oregon 10-3 1,011
10. Georgia 10-3 904
11. Ohio State 10-3 874
12. Texas Tech 11-2 867
13. Boise State 12-1 809
14. Virginia Tech 10-4 740
15. Mississippi 9-4 620
16. Missouri 10-4 549
17. Cincinnati 11-3 493
18. Oklahoma State 9-4 480
19. Oregon State 9-4 407
20. Iowa 9-4 250
21. Brigham Young 10-3 248
22. Georgia Tech 9-4 219
23. Florida State 9-4 217
24. Michigan State 9-4 179
25. California 9-4 116
Personally as a BYU Fan, and despite my natural grudge against Utah, I'm still annoyed as hell to not see them at #1, and the USA Poll putting them at #4 just baffles me.
How many wins MUST someone get in order to become number 1?
As well, theres always the topic of the BCS. Since being elected Obama hasn't brought up his opinion of having an 8 team playoff instead of the screw all BCS Bowl.
Will anything happen? CAN we do anything? Or will everyone allow the heiarchy of elite college football schools continue with their paid off ove child that is the BCS?
GO!
Oh and
I know this may seem a bit early, but theres some substantial stuff to talk about.
At the top of the list is Alabama Being forced to Vacate wins from 2005 to 2007
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4250596
espn wrote:
The NCAA will reveal later Thursday that the Alabama football program must vacate victories from 2005 through 2007 that included players who improperly got free textbooks for other students, the Birmingham News is reporting.
Alabama could be forced to vacate as many as 21 wins under the watch of former coach Mike Shula and current coach Nick Saban, sources at the university told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach. Citing a source, the News reported the number of wins to be at least 10.
The Crimson Tide will not lose future scholarships, according to the News. The university also will be placed on three years' probation and ordered to pay a fine, the newspaper reported.
The NCAA alleges the violations began at the start of the 2005 season; the university reported the violations after uncovering them during the '07 football season, when starting linemen Antoine Caldwell and Marlon Davis, running back Glen Coffee and defensive backs Chris Rogers and Marquis Johnson were suspended prior to kickoff against Tennessee.
They were suspended for four games and reinstated by the NCAA before the Alabama-Auburn game and the Crimson Tide's bowl game against Colorado at the end of the season.
Under NCAA rules, the players would be ruled ineligible from when they first received the "extra benefits" and would have been ineligible until they were suspended and reinstated.
The university appeared before the NCAA Committee on Infractions in February and admitted that infractions occurred in several sports, and that it didn't adequately monitor its distribution of textbooks to athletes.
It is not clear which additional sports programs at Alabama are affected. The NCAA's ruling will be announced at 3 p.m. ET Thursday.
For reference, here is the AP Poll of where teams stand.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex
1. Florida (48) 13-1 1,606
2. Utah (16) 13-0 1,519
3. USC (1) 12-1 1,481
4. Texas 12-1 1,478
5. Oklahoma 12-2 1,391
6. Alabama 12-2 1,264
7. TCU 11-2 1,193
8. Penn State 11-2 1,153
9. Ohio State 10-3 1,013
10. Oregon 10-3 997
11. Boise State 12-1 938
12. Texas Tech 11-2 916
13. Georgia 10-3 903
14. Mississippi 9-4 857
15. Virginia Tech 10-4 713
16. Oklahoma State 9-4 534
17. Cincinnati 11-3 506
18. Oregon State 9-4 467
19. Missouri 10-4 435
20. Iowa 9-4 317
21. Florida State 9-4 246
22. Georgia Tech 9-4 223
23. West Virginia 9-4 144
24. Michigan State 9-4 138
25. Brigham Young 10-3 137
as well as the USA Today Poll
1. Florida (60) 13-1 1,524
2. USC 12-1 1,393
3. Texas 12-1 1,389
4. Utah (1) 13-0 1,375
5. Oklahoma 12-2 1,333
6. Alabama 12-2 1,157
7. TCU 11-2 1,114
8. Penn State 11-2 1,091
9. Oregon 10-3 1,011
10. Georgia 10-3 904
11. Ohio State 10-3 874
12. Texas Tech 11-2 867
13. Boise State 12-1 809
14. Virginia Tech 10-4 740
15. Mississippi 9-4 620
16. Missouri 10-4 549
17. Cincinnati 11-3 493
18. Oklahoma State 9-4 480
19. Oregon State 9-4 407
20. Iowa 9-4 250
21. Brigham Young 10-3 248
22. Georgia Tech 9-4 219
23. Florida State 9-4 217
24. Michigan State 9-4 179
25. California 9-4 116
Personally as a BYU Fan, and despite my natural grudge against Utah, I'm still annoyed as hell to not see them at #1, and the USA Poll putting them at #4 just baffles me.
How many wins MUST someone get in order to become number 1?
As well, theres always the topic of the BCS. Since being elected Obama hasn't brought up his opinion of having an 8 team playoff instead of the screw all BCS Bowl.
Will anything happen? CAN we do anything? Or will everyone allow the heiarchy of elite college football schools continue with their paid off ove child that is the BCS?
GO!
Oh and
GO BYU
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Anyways I'll start with a rant because (and this is my own fault) I like to read comments at the bottom of ESPN articles. I like to see what morons think and the biggest morons typically post comments on articles and I hate when teams get in trouble for educational violations and they either lose wins or there is the threat of losing wins and some people come out and say that vacating wins is too harsh. Recruiting violations are bad, but when you have players outright cheating (FSU), then I think that team probably should vacate wins.
I'm not some blind idealist either. I work in college admissions, I work at a school that has serious football tradition, but the players are student-athletes and I think being a student is the more important part of that name. And I won't be a hypocrit, if my school is accused and found guilty of violations as a fan I would defend the punishment. Yeah it sucks, I wish it didn't happen, but it did and coaches need to know that they are responsible for helping guide the young men and women they lead. That's my rant.
I could go on a whole new rant about student-athletes being undercompensated for what they do (and not just the big sports, but the smaller sports as well since the NCAA is very strict on how much students can work).
Magic Online - Bertro
Also, why the hell has the NCAA not sucked it up and given Alabama the death penalty yet? They're not going to learn their lesson for anything less. I know they're scared after what happened to SMU, but Alabama has it coming at this point.
I think Alabama is going to contend for a national title this year. With LSU and Tennessee at home, and Virginia Tech in Atlanta, and the end of the season in Auburn, they will go undefeated in the regular season again. And with 2 #1 recruiting classes on the team, they've got the talent to compete in the postseason.
My preseason top 5:
1. Florida
2. Oklahoma
3. Alabama
4. USC
5. Ohio State
It's not a big deal, but it still seems excessive in comparison to the crime.
And the death penalty? Seriously, you'd advocate them using the death penalty on this? They atoned for paying Albert Means with a long stay in probation, they're not like SMU where they just kept doing it.
Wonder_Hippie, basically.
I believe the allegations were that Bush's parents received free rent, not Bush himself.
If the NCAA wants to strip out old titles, that's fine. I think it's doubtful as the "investigation" has been going on for 3 years already with no results, but whatever. There's yet to be a legitimate D-I college football champion ever anyways, including all the other years USC won it.
Certain BCS voters last year admitted they hadn't watched a single game, or even a single play, by Utah. Plus you have teams counting championships from the 30s and stuff, when it was commonplace for a voter in New York to have never seen Notre Dame or Michigan or Alabama play.
USC's bigger problem is Bush + the basketball stuff that caused Floyd to resign the other day. The NCAA could theoretically hit them with "lack of institutional control" which is bad times. I doubt they ever would, but still.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Lacking a decent chant?
You're just jealous.
Also come into our stadium and say that.
Michigan is the opposite, though while I was in school taunting PSU fans was good times.
We have followers of the religion of PSU football.
Like it is a goddamn fanatic atmosphere here. Life everywhere gets put on hold on Saturdays.
Even going to other big football universities I don't think I've ever seen a crowd more absolutely insane than us.
Like the musical theater kids drop what they're doing on saturdays to watch football.
Yeah enjoyed hearing stories of how TBDBITL got bottles filled with urine thrown at them in Beaver Stadium in 07.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
That'll teach those football players to stay away from book learnin'!
Really now. Football player gets free textbook for fellow student, and the NCAA - who loves to blather on and on about how it cares about education and 99% of athletes will go pro in something other than sports - smacks him down.
The same NCAA who argues that its millions and millions of dollars of revenue should be tax-free because they're and "educational" organization.
Magic Online - Bertro
That is what it was like at Ohio State, except people who didn't even go to the school would do the same thing.
It became too much for my delicate sensibilities.
The problem for Ohio State (in regards to people who didn't go to school there) is the fact that it's an urban school located in the middle of a large city. We just have more people to pull from for crazies. That was one of the biggest reasons for all of the riots we had 8-10 years ago, fucking high school kids (and students from other schools visiting friends).
Magic Online - Bertro
I was there man! That pretty much colored my perception of central Ohio for most of my time there. I guess at the time and to some extent now, I just didn't get it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/197518-ohio-state-recruit-jamal-berry-arrested-for-marijuana-possession
Attended OSU '99-'04, I was always smart/lucky enough to leave high party areas as I saw things getting out of hand. Luckily we seem to be much better now about controlling those antics.
Magic Online - Bertro
But seriously, Michigan State here. I was in the marching band as a tuba from '04-'07. Personally I think we have one of the worst student sections in the Big Ten.
Come late, leave early, and try to add curse words to every single chant.
It's embarrasing, reflects poorly on the school, and worst of all every time the student section chants there are a little kids going, "huh?".
I really can't stand the student section.
The punishment is way overboard for this.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
The first day of the championship, they let these teammates in for free with no questions. After this, they reversed the policy and denied anything from the first day.
This team later won the NC.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Or consider the plight of Aaron Adair, a third baseman for the University of Oklahoma who also happens to have survived brain cancer. He wrote a book about his recovery intended to help others with the disease, only to receive a call from a compliance officer informing him that his college baseball career was over because his name was attached to a "corporate product."
http://www.aaronadair.com/NYTimes.html
There was also a story a couple years back where an Oklahoma football player died, and the NCAA ruled it would be illegal for an Oklahoma booster to help pay for the kid's funeral. And Steve Alford was suspended for appearing in a charity calendar.