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Yeah. I think there's a lot more *potential* in Automata. Lookouts, while awesome, is basically going to be the same feeling/style as the Deep Crow arc.
See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD), but so what?
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Yeah. I think there's a lot more *potential* in Automata. Lookouts, while awesome, is basically going to be the same feeling/style as the Deep Crow arc.
See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD).
Cory Doctorow has this great quote where he compares identifying the theme of a story to dissecting it. You've got the essence, but none of the life. Fuck themes, and fuck "done to death". The only thing that matters is the execution, and automata is more solid than lookouts so far.
All I can say is that I liked the fuck out of both of them. The Lookouts scratches my fantasy itch, this one scratches my robot-noir itch (I didn't even know I had that itch till now). Goddamn I wish they could do both, I don't want to decide.
Yeah. I think there's a lot more *potential* in Automata. Lookouts, while awesome, is basically going to be the same feeling/style as the Deep Crow arc.
See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD).
Cory Doctorow has this great quote where he compares identifying the theme of a story to dissecting it. You've got the essence, but none of the life. Fuck themes, and fuck "done to death". The only thing that matters is the execution, and automata is more solid than lookouts so far.
Yeah. I think there's a lot more *potential* in Automata. Lookouts, while awesome, is basically going to be the same feeling/style as the Deep Crow arc.
See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD), but so what?
There's only been one page made so far, it's a little early to say that you know the concept and it's been done to death, isn't it?
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Yeah. I think there's a lot more *potential* in Automata. Lookouts, while awesome, is basically going to be the same feeling/style as the Deep Crow arc.
See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD).
Cory Doctorow has this great quote where he compares identifying the theme of a story to dissecting it. You've got the essence, but none of the life. Fuck themes, and fuck "done to death". The only thing that matters is the execution, and automata is more solid than lookouts so far.
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I wish we could get a podcast for this page as well as the Darkmagic page. One of the reasons why I really enjoyed Lookouts so much (other than the beautiful artwork and writing) was how the podcast gave it perspective.
The first pannel of Lookouts seems out of place until you hear them talking about the boys getting ready to go out and performing the ritual of putting on their uniform. The podcast did alot to show that "yeah this was going to be a joke but after we thought about it we think this is just a really good idea". They talk about the phrase "May we die in the forest" and it goes from a joke to an actual achievement which completely changes how you look at the page. Then when they explored the world more and set up the Eyrewood and the roadways in the news posts you can look at the page again and it changes. This isn't going out to the forest for some type of fun trip, this is their world and they need people who can traverse it.
In hopes of fairness and in order for us to all make the best decision we can I hope we get as much perspective of the Automata world as we did the Lookouts world. Right now all the background we have is from Epic Legends of the Magic Sword Kings and Tycho's post:
The second concept is Automata, nineteen-twenties crime fiction which unfolds in a time where "machine intellect" has been outlawed. It wasn't always, certainly, and the problem of what to do with the existing "stock" of fully sentient, mechanical citizens endures. Detective Regal and his stenophone Carl Swangee traverse the margin where these worlds overlap.
i feel like this has more of a direction than lookouts. I hate to say it but there were too many characters introduced in Lookouts, you know? All those kids could have stories and I feel like Tycho could be pulled in a bunch of different directions. This is just Automata.
Simply amazing. Gabe never ceases to amaze me with his increasingly detailed and colorful art style. I'm not sure if I like this one of the Lookouts more. Lookouts definitely has a better chance at comedy, but there could be a great story involved in Automata. Personally, I am not a fan of mysteries, so I see myself siding with Lookouts, but I wish they could both come to fruition.
Yeah. I think there's a lot more *potential* in Automata. Lookouts, while awesome, is basically going to be the same feeling/style as the Deep Crow arc.
See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD).
Cory Doctorow has this great quote where he compares identifying the theme of a story to dissecting it. You've got the essence, but none of the life. Fuck themes, and fuck "done to death". The only thing that matters is the execution, and automata is more solid than lookouts so far.
Yeah, this is pretty stunning work. I would easily read a book of this. I can't wait to see what comes next. Whatever it is though, it'll be hardpressed to beat Automata.
I wasn't saying they COULDN'T do something new with this, I was responding to the comment that I didn't think it had more POTENTIAL.
How good of an author he is has no bearing on the truth of his statement. Potential isn't what matters, execution is. Countless authors have taken interesting ideas and ruined them with terrible execution. There is nothing novel about that, plenty of people do it. However, a really good author doesn't need "fresh" ideas. They can take a concept that's been covered countless times and with superb execution make it stand out as an excellent piece of work.
It is a tough call - I wish it were not. But I must confess that I would still rather see Lookouts - this intrigues me, that grabbed me on a visceral level.
Yeah. I think there's a lot more *potential* in Automata. Lookouts, while awesome, is basically going to be the same feeling/style as the Deep Crow arc.
See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD).
Cory Doctorow has this great quote where he compares identifying the theme of a story to dissecting it. You've got the essence, but none of the life. Fuck themes, and fuck "done to death". The only thing that matters is the execution, and automata is more solid than lookouts so far.
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This thread is basically just going to be me repeating things that other people have said. Orik is a treasure.
The main thing is that you can have an element of the setting without it being the theme. The prejudice towards robots could be flavor to the story, and not represent the substance of it.
I liked the scouts a lot, and Automata is even better. Really, G&T, I would have been quite happy with your usual wang jokes, but this is thrilling stuff. I would buy it. :^:
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See, this is where I disagree. Robot vs. human "what is real?" has been done to DEATH, primarily in media other than comics, but all those stories have been told.
From the same angle though, you could say Lookouts = The Hardy Boys + D&D.
Within the Penny-Arcade world, there hasn't been much robot stuff(unless you count RSPOD), but so what?
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I don't get it. This sentence seems fine grammatically, and they're all proper person words - but it's just not making sense.
Cory Doctorow has this great quote where he compares identifying the theme of a story to dissecting it. You've got the essence, but none of the life. Fuck themes, and fuck "done to death". The only thing that matters is the execution, and automata is more solid than lookouts so far.
Intentional reference? There's an incredible detective short story by that name.
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
There's only been one page made so far, it's a little early to say that you know the concept and it's been done to death, isn't it?
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
It reminds me of a novel I read by K. W. Jeter called Noir.
I don't have anything to suggest on improvements other then make more please.
no, it's just apophenia
Yeah, because whether or not you think he's a good writer has any bearing on whether or not you think that steatement is true.
The first pannel of Lookouts seems out of place until you hear them talking about the boys getting ready to go out and performing the ritual of putting on their uniform. The podcast did alot to show that "yeah this was going to be a joke but after we thought about it we think this is just a really good idea". They talk about the phrase "May we die in the forest" and it goes from a joke to an actual achievement which completely changes how you look at the page. Then when they explored the world more and set up the Eyrewood and the roadways in the news posts you can look at the page again and it changes. This isn't going out to the forest for some type of fun trip, this is their world and they need people who can traverse it.
In hopes of fairness and in order for us to all make the best decision we can I hope we get as much perspective of the Automata world as we did the Lookouts world. Right now all the background we have is from Epic Legends of the Magic Sword Kings and Tycho's post:
I hope we get a little more later on in the day.
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This thread is basically just going to be me repeating things that other people have said. Orik is a treasure.
The main thing is that you can have an element of the setting without it being the theme. The prejudice towards robots could be flavor to the story, and not represent the substance of it.
I disagree. As you said, it's a matter of taste.
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
Monday - Lookouts
Wednesday - Penny-Arcade Proper
Friday - Automata, unless the next thing is tons better.
Honestly, I wasn't really drawn into the Automata world. I can see a lot of potential, it just didn't grab me right off the bat.
i know! that's my favourite part!
This would be excellent.
i'd buy the book, but following a continuous story at a pace of one page per week is tedious