[XBLA]Magic the Gathering: Duels of the Planeswalkers. Now Available on Steam!!!

Shamus

I'm totally getting this; I could never convince my friends to really give it a go, and lost interest for a second time as I realized I was blowing so much fucking cash on cards I'd never use.

And free for all multiplayer? God damn.

GT - El Shamus

TheUnsane1

I really hope the black deck for this is sweet. I'm hoping maybe some light board control and hand destruction themed.

Big Red Tie

Shamus wrote: »

And free for all multiplayer? God damn.

free for all in magic kind of sucks. hard.

Shamus

Big Red Tie wrote: »

Shamus wrote: »

And free for all multiplayer? God damn.

free for all in magic kind of sucks. hard.

It was never perfect, but I loved it when I played.

OptimusZed

TheUnsane1 wrote: »

I really hope the black deck for this is sweet. I'm hoping maybe some light board control and hand destruction themed.

Hand destruction is the kind of stuff that makes new players quit the game. For their sake, I hope they're smart enough to know that.

TheUnsane1

OptimusZed wrote: »

TheUnsane1 wrote: »

I really hope the black deck for this is sweet. I'm hoping maybe some light board control and hand destruction themed.

Hand destruction is the kind of stuff that makes new players quit the game. For their sake, I hope they're smart enough to know that.

There's a specter in one of the screen shots, just saying.

Could be worse for new players, if there is some sort of lock down combo deck.. those are the worst. Old school stasis games with mill effects are some of the most boring games I can remember playing.

Arrath

Seol wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

Seol wrote: »

Arrath wrote: »

(one even tried to tell me my deck wasn't tourney legal, like I care)

Were you at a tourney? 'Cos if not, that's just being a twat.

Not really? Tournament rules are specifically designed to create the most balanced and tightly-designed game as possible and there's really nothing wrong with wanting to enforce them outside of tournaments.

This is speaking as someone who's never really played Magic though. If it was one of those things where you were using an old card that's no longer allowed because it's not recent enough or something then yeah that's silly.

It depends on what he means by "not tourney legal". If you're ignoring the 4-card rule so you can play 40 Surging Flame, 20 Simian Spirit Guide - then fair enough, that's grounds for complaint. If you're ignoring rotations because you want to play Armadillo Cloak in your GW deck, that's a different matter. There, the deck doesn't need to be tourney legal, 'cos you're not in a tournament - and when you're playing casual, that's for each group to self-regulate. If he busts out a Cascade Swans deck, and gets upset your deck isn't Standard-legal, that's his fault for not finding out about your playgroup.

It's different if the playgroup chooses to play according to tourney rules, of course. But to complain because a casual group chooses to play casual rules? That's the objectionable bit.

We followed the 4-card rule and things like that. And no, I never played at an actual tourney it was just within my group of friends back in middle/high school. We just didn't have any banned cards, by the time I stopped playing I had decks with cards from 3rd to 7th expansion sets thrown together. Some of my friends were pretty heavily into gimmick decks, but the fun about that was finding a way to counter it.

But when one of my friends brought someone else who threw a hissy fit over the fact that some of the cards in my deck were banned from the latest tournament card list the rest of us told him to fuck off.

GogoKodo

Counter spells are pretty frustrating for new players too. I know because I was the jerk doing it.

When my friends and I first started we each picked a colour and stuck with that. It was a good way to distribute cards around without needing as much money.

I was blue. I was hated.

TheUnsane1

Arrath wrote: »

Seol wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

Seol wrote: »

Arrath wrote: »

(one even tried to tell me my deck wasn't tourney legal, like I care)

Were you at a tourney? 'Cos if not, that's just being a twat.

Not really? Tournament rules are specifically designed to create the most balanced and tightly-designed game as possible and there's really nothing wrong with wanting to enforce them outside of tournaments.

This is speaking as someone who's never really played Magic though. If it was one of those things where you were using an old card that's no longer allowed because it's not recent enough or something then yeah that's silly.

It depends on what he means by "not tourney legal". If you're ignoring the 4-card rule so you can play 40 Surging Flame, 20 Simian Spirit Guide - then fair enough, that's grounds for complaint. If you're ignoring rotations because you want to play Armadillo Cloak in your GW deck, that's a different matter. There, the deck doesn't need to be tourney legal, 'cos you're not in a tournament - and when you're playing casual, that's for each group to self-regulate. If he busts out a Cascade Swans deck, and gets upset your deck isn't Standard-legal, that's his fault for not finding out about your playgroup.

It's different if the playgroup chooses to play according to tourney rules, of course. But to complain because a casual group chooses to play casual rules? That's the objectionable bit.

We followed the 4-card rule and things like that. And no, I never played at an actual tourney it was just within my group of friends back in middle/high school. We just didn't have any banned cards, by the time I stopped playing I had decks with cards from 3rd to 7th expansion sets thrown together. Some of my friends were pretty heavily into gimmick decks, but the fun about that was finding a way to counter it.

I used to love playing weird combo decks in multiplayer games. I had an open format deck that ran Thrashing Wumpus+ Spirit Link+ Black Ward, Then I would drop a random shadow/landwalk/flying creature and pop some hatred action on him for the kill. In multiplayer games stuff like end of your turn B:Gain 50 life and do 1 damage to all creatures and players in an 8 player game was a blast.

chamberlain

GogoKodo wrote: »

Counter spells are pretty frustrating for new players too. I know because I was the jerk doing it.

When my friends and I first started we each picked a colour and stuck with that. It was a good way to distribute cards around without needing as much money.

I was blue. I was hated.

Yes, but saying

'I counter your counter'

is one of the coolest/geekiest things ever.

unless you force spike my counter that countered your counter. Then I punch you in the face.

TheUnsane1

I always hated getting stuff bounced. Boomerang on lands in a B/U discard control deck can die.

unless I'm running it

jeddy lee

This otta be fun. I havn't gotten my TCG fix since my VS system group back home disbanded.

How much will this run?

chamberlain

jack eddy wrote: »

This otta be fun. I havn't gotten my TCG fix since my VS system group back home disbanded.

How much will this run?

Only your soul.

And 800 MS points.

A Bear

When I clicked on this, I was excited to think that the original DotP game was coming back. This still seems like a nice way to play Magic online without spending crazy sums of money (yet). I don't think it will get me to buy a 360 or anything, but its a nice bonus if/when I break down and buy one.

Also, those rules changes? I'll let the people who still actively play the game worry about those, but I'm glad that everyone I ever played with stopped buying years ago, and if we ever were to play again (as we sometimes do) we would certainly use the old rules. Instant damage? Bah.

BonesNYC

I'm down for some online games for sure (GT: BonesNYC)

Like some of you my friends and I selected colors then spread the wealth in long unwrapping sessions. Great times.
Red/Green = Kird Apes and Giant Growths!

OptimusZed

So it's 800 initial, then you get cards via wins? Is there a pay-for-rares mechanic or somesuch?

Zerokku

OptimusZed wrote: »

So it's 800 initial, then you get cards via wins? Is there a pay-for-rares mechanic or somesuch?

Thankfully no, or at least not yet.

jeddy lee

BonesNYC wrote: »

I'm down for some online games for sure (GT: BonesNYC)

Like some of you my friends and I selected colors then spread the wealth in long unwrapping sessions. Great times.
Red/Green = Kird Apes and Giant Growths!

Don't forget your delicious llanowar elves, all building up to get a delicious Force of Nature and Shivan Dragon. I remember as a kid, it was all about the big stompy guys. Lord of the Pit? Hells yes!

Yeah... those were the days. Really I would love to do some sealed deck on a re-release of 4th ed or revised.

SaraLuna

OptimusZed wrote: »

So it's 800 initial, then you get cards via wins? Is there a pay-for-rares mechanic or somesuch?

basically you get a handful of precon decks, then you win matches (against the computer or other players) to unlock predefined sideboards for them.

presumably at some point in the future there will be dlc of other full decks, but but this game isn't designed to have every card/let you build any deck.

chamberlain

jack eddy wrote: »

BonesNYC wrote: »

I'm down for some online games for sure (GT: BonesNYC)

Like some of you my friends and I selected colors then spread the wealth in long unwrapping sessions. Great times.
Red/Green = Kird Apes and Giant Growths!

Don't forget your delicious llanowar elves, all building up to get a delicious Force of Nature and Shivan Dragon. I remember as a kid, it was all about the big stompy guys. Lord of the Pit? Hells yes!

Yeah... those were the days. Really I would love to do some sealed deck on a re-release of 4th ed or revised.

Lord of the Pit was cool, but



was cooler.

Arrath

TheUnsane1 wrote: »

Arrath wrote: »

Seol wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

Seol wrote: »

Arrath wrote: »

(one even tried to tell me my deck wasn't tourney legal, like I care)

Were you at a tourney? 'Cos if not, that's just being a twat.

Not really? Tournament rules are specifically designed to create the most balanced and tightly-designed game as possible and there's really nothing wrong with wanting to enforce them outside of tournaments.

This is speaking as someone who's never really played Magic though. If it was one of those things where you were using an old card that's no longer allowed because it's not recent enough or something then yeah that's silly.

It depends on what he means by "not tourney legal". If you're ignoring the 4-card rule so you can play 40 Surging Flame, 20 Simian Spirit Guide - then fair enough, that's grounds for complaint. If you're ignoring rotations because you want to play Armadillo Cloak in your GW deck, that's a different matter. There, the deck doesn't need to be tourney legal, 'cos you're not in a tournament - and when you're playing casual, that's for each group to self-regulate. If he busts out a Cascade Swans deck, and gets upset your deck isn't Standard-legal, that's his fault for not finding out about your playgroup.

It's different if the playgroup chooses to play according to tourney rules, of course. But to complain because a casual group chooses to play casual rules? That's the objectionable bit.

We followed the 4-card rule and things like that. And no, I never played at an actual tourney it was just within my group of friends back in middle/high school. We just didn't have any banned cards, by the time I stopped playing I had decks with cards from 3rd to 7th expansion sets thrown together. Some of my friends were pretty heavily into gimmick decks, but the fun about that was finding a way to counter it.

I used to love playing weird combo decks in multiplayer games. I had an open format deck that ran Thrashing Wumpus+ Spirit Link+ Black Ward, Then I would drop a random shadow/landwalk/flying creature and pop some hatred action on him for the kill. In multiplayer games stuff like end of your turn B:Gain 50 life and do 1 damage to all creatures and players in an 8 player game was a blast.

I had a nice B/W deck that had Spirit Link (I think thats what its called, the one that gives life for each damage dealt and received) and the little 1/1 rats that had the pestilence ability. That was fun.

Then for quite a while I had a sliver deck that would just rape everyone so my brother built a sliver deck of his own. God that was a clusterfuck figuring out the bonuses to everything.

OptimusZed

jack eddy wrote: »

BonesNYC wrote: »

I'm down for some online games for sure (GT: BonesNYC)

Like some of you my friends and I selected colors then spread the wealth in long unwrapping sessions. Great times.
Red/Green = Kird Apes and Giant Growths!

Don't forget your delicious llanowar elves, all building up to get a delicious Force of Nature and Shivan Dragon. I remember as a kid, it was all about the big stompy guys. Lord of the Pit? Hells yes!

Yeah... those were the days. Really I would love to do some sealed deck on a re-release of 4th ed or revised.

I used to have a "Monkies with tools" deck that I'd bust out against new players to keep them from getting frustrated with all the new mechanics.

It did 4 things;
Played Apes and Monkeys
Played Equipment
Equipped Monkeys
Attacked

I could have tweaked it a little harder if it was meant as anything other than a beefy opponent for newbs, but damn it was fun to play.

jeddy lee

Lets see... what was the earliest 1st turn kill using the least cards? Mountain, Black Lotus, Channel, Fireball?

Bloodsheed

OptimusZed wrote: »

jack eddy wrote: »

BonesNYC wrote: »

I'm down for some online games for sure (GT: BonesNYC)

Like some of you my friends and I selected colors then spread the wealth in long unwrapping sessions. Great times.
Red/Green = Kird Apes and Giant Growths!

Don't forget your delicious llanowar elves, all building up to get a delicious Force of Nature and Shivan Dragon. I remember as a kid, it was all about the big stompy guys. Lord of the Pit? Hells yes!

Yeah... those were the days. Really I would love to do some sealed deck on a re-release of 4th ed or revised.

I used to have a "Monkies with tools" deck that I'd bust out against new players to keep them from getting frustrated with all the new mechanics.

It did 4 things;
Played Apes and Monkeys
Played Equipment
Equipped Monkeys
Attacked

I could have tweaked it a little harder if it was meant as anything other than a beefy opponent for newbs, but damn it was fun to play.

I think that was the most fun I ever had with the game. When the guys I played with and I reached the point where we decided to just make a whole bunch of theme decks, usefulness be damned.

Of course, the fact that my Shivan Dragon theme deck could wipe the floor with everything else 85% of the time, theme or not, quickly saw that refined a bit.

OptimusZed

Bloodsheed wrote: »

I think that was the most fun I ever had with the game. When the guys I played with and I reached the point where we decided to just make a whole bunch of theme decks, usefulness be damned.

Of course, the fact that my Shivan Dragon theme deck could wipe the floor with everything else 85% of the time, theme or not, quickly saw that refined a bit.

We were lucky enough to only have one guy who was a full-blown spike, and I guess he was a little bit of a timmy with his desire to turn red dudes with big numbers sideways. The rest of us were more into the stylish butt kicking, rather than the power decks.

I'm really looking forward to the free for all multi. Probably won't be the same without the trash talk, but still fun.

Cymoro

Magic hasn't been good for a while.




*clutches his onslaught and previous block cards* Dont worry babies, maybe that will change.

Bloodsheed

OptimusZed wrote: »

Bloodsheed wrote: »

I think that was the most fun I ever had with the game. When the guys I played with and I reached the point where we decided to just make a whole bunch of theme decks, usefulness be damned.

Of course, the fact that my Shivan Dragon theme deck could wipe the floor with everything else 85% of the time, theme or not, quickly saw that refined a bit.

We were lucky enough to only have one guy who was a full-blown spike, and I guess he was a little bit of a timmy with his desire to turn red dudes with big numbers sideways. The rest of us were more into the stylish butt kicking, rather than the power decks.

I'm really looking forward to the free for all multi. Probably won't be the same without the trash talk, but still fun.

That was the thing of it with that deck though. When I built it, I figured there was no way in hell it was going to actually put up a fight. It was pretty much ALL dragons, of all sizes, with one Shivan itself and one other big red that I forget the name of as the largest two of the bunch. I think it had less than 8 Instants in the whole thing. It shouldn't have worked when you looked at it because faster decks should have torn it to pieces, but when the right cards came up at the right time it was devastating.

And I think the only game I've ever played which had nastier free-for-all trash talk than 3-4 player Magic is Monopoly. I can just imagine how the Xbox Live games (when there are mics involved instead of power-button-pushing and such) will go down.

EspantaPajaro

chamberlain wrote: »

GogoKodo wrote: »

Counter spells are pretty frustrating for new players too. I know because I was the jerk doing it.

When my friends and I first started we each picked a colour and stuck with that. It was a good way to distribute cards around without needing as much money.

I was blue. I was hated.

Yes, but saying

'I counter your counter'

is one of the coolest/geekiest things ever.

unless you force spike my counter that countered your counter. Then I punch you in the face.

This made me look for my old blue deck to see if I was guilty of this.

In it I found:

Envelop ,Boomerang ,Grip of amnesia ,Circular logic ,Rewind and Equilibrium . Yup Guilty as hell. That said if I buy the game and there isnt a mono blue control deck I will choke someone. Seriously Blue was the best.

Edit- I forgot mana leak. Maybe I went a tad bit overboard. I hope to hell there is a blue control deck in the game.

OptimusZed

Bloodsheed wrote: »

That was the thing of it with that deck though. When I built it, I figured there was no way in hell it was going to actually put up a fight. It was pretty much ALL dragons, of all sizes, with one Shivan itself and one other big red that I forget the name of as the largest two of the bunch. I think it had less than 8 Instants in the whole thing. It shouldn't have worked when you looked at it because faster decks should have torn it to pieces, but when the right cards came up at the right time it was devastating.

This reminds me of my Dumbo deck. Nothing but elephants and ways to make them fly. Blue/Green for resource accel and card draw.

Kinda silly, utterly devastating if it pulled well.

Big Red Tie

did you have any support for the grip of amnesia

OptimusZed

Big Red Tie wrote: »

did you have any support for the grip of amnesia

Not much Threshold or reanimation played in our group.

I'm more of a Manaspike guy, anyway.

EspantaPajaro

Big Red Tie wrote: »

did you have any support for the grip of amnesia

Not all that much , never really had all the cards I needed for it. Still pretty fun. Its on of the reasons why I'm looking forward to the game.

On second though now that I think about it my brother loved to play big ass creatures from the graveyard with stitched together and the other black cards. That may have been the reason I used it.

jeddy lee

EspantaPajaro wrote: »

Seriously Blue was the best.

At making other people quit the game. I love playing as control decks, or even against them, be it blue in magic, secret society in vs or mantis in L5R... but nothing makes new players quit a game like a well made control deck.

EspantaPajaro

jack eddy wrote: »

EspantaPajaro wrote: »

Seriously Blue was the best.

At making other people quit the game. I love playing as control decks, or even against them, be it blue in magic, secret society in vs or mantis in L5R... but nothing makes new players quit a game like a well made control deck.

Too bad I never had the money or patience to buy/ trade/murder for all the cards you needed to have a top notch one so my decks were a little weak. Still really fun though.

OptimusZed

jack eddy wrote: »

EspantaPajaro wrote: »

Seriously Blue was the best.

At making other people quit the game. I love playing as control decks, or even against them, be it blue in magic, secret society in vs or mantis in L5R... but nothing makes new players quit a game like a well made control deck.

During Kamigawa block, our playgroup spent a lot of time playing free for all multiplayer, and the win almost always went to some crazy combo deck that used the relative safety of the board full of threats to put itself together.

I finally got tired of it and built a deck that was all removal and recursion; White/Black/Green Arcane Splice. My win condition was Reito Lantern. I just tore down combos until everyone decked themselves.

I don't think I've ever played a more widely reviled deck. It was great.

jeddy lee

I don't think I've ever had so much fun as an Archbound artufact deck during Mirrodin. I loved that block. After that, Kamigawa just felt a little meh. Probably because I was also playing Legend of the Five Rings, and Kamigawa felt like a cheap rip off.

JaysonFour

Jesus Christ. I totally forgot this was coming out.

You can add my GT of JaysonFour to the list.

I'd like to just see them add sets or blocks to DLC- you know, 200 funbucks for a set, 500 for a whole block, 300 for base sets? Taking away the "money factor" evens things up between all players- not so bad when ANYONE could flop a Lotus and three Moxes on the first turn.

I may as well call in sick to class Thursday, there's no way I'll be going when I'm up to my eyeballs in cards again.

OptimusZed

jack eddy wrote: »

I don't think I've ever had so much fun as an Archbound artufact deck during Mirrodin. I loved that block. After that, Kamigawa just felt a little meh. Probably because I was also playing Legend of the Five Rings, and Kamigawa felt like a cheap rip off.

Kamigawa was also a little weak, overall. Of course, Mirrodin was crazy powerful, so the next block was going to be in a hole anyway.

Ravnica was my last block before I moved away from my playgroup. So much good stuff there.

Zerokku

OptimusZed wrote: »

jack eddy wrote: »

I don't think I've ever had so much fun as an Archbound artufact deck during Mirrodin. I loved that block. After that, Kamigawa just felt a little meh. Probably because I was also playing Legend of the Five Rings, and Kamigawa felt like a cheap rip off.

Kamigawa was also a little weak, overall. Of course, Mirrodin was crazy powerful, so the next block was going to be in a hole anyway.

Ravnica was my last block before I moved away from my playgroup. So much good stuff there.

I loved Ravnica. I had a white/black control/drain deck. Just sitting there prolonging games till I was sitting at 30+ life with them at 0.

OptimusZed

JaysonFour wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I totally forgot this was coming out.

You can add my GT of JaysonFour to the list.

I'd like to just see them add sets or blocks to DLC- you know, 200 funbucks for a set, 500 for a whole block, 300 for base sets? Taking away the "money factor" evens things up between all players- not so bad when ANYONE could flop a Lotus and three Moxes on the first turn.

I may as well call in sick to class Thursday, there's no way I'll be going when I'm up to my eyeballs in cards again.

It sounds like it's going to be a bunch of premade decks. I could see them adding the preconstructs from individual blocks if this takes off, though.