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  • QliphothQliphoth Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Well looking at a lot of the middle eastern conflicts, the US's unwavering support in favour of Israel and the massive amount of money given to them probably does significant damage to the US in the long term. Seems like trying to build good relations with people while funding people that hate them and that they hate might just be shooting yourself in the foot.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Qliphoth wrote: »
    Ah yes I remember something similar mentioned by Bill Maher in Religulous.
    I'm kind of surprised that a guy with a handle taken from Jewish mysticism doesn't know this. :P

    That might be because it's not a Jewish belief.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I was talking about the Israel that overwhelmingly voted to ban Arabs from having any sort of representation in Parliament
    That never happened.

    What DID happen was a PARLIAMENTARY vote to ban two specific Arab parties for a limited ammount of time, because those parties were vocally supporting attacks that were ongoing against Israel at the time, from Hamas. This same tactic has been used, in the past, against Jewish parties in the Parliament as well.

    That DID NOT ban Arabs from having representation. There are other Arab MoPs outside of those two parties.
    Excuse me, you're right, they just banned the Arabs from having parties which represented their interests. As long as they wanted to vote for a party that didn't represent their interest, it was all good. And you're right, they were only voting to expel seven of the ten Arab members of the Knesset, keeping in mind that Arabs make up about 20% of the population of Israel, but only around 8% of the Knesset, which I'm sure isn't a result of any sort of institutionalized racism on the part of Israel, but only a natural result of a bunch of Jews with guns telling any Arabs that it might be best for their health if they stayed home on election day.

    And if a few members of Parliament spoke up in favor of the Arabs fighting back against the brutal murder of their families in the West Bank by the Israel jack-booted thugs, who the fuck can blame them?
    They got in a pissing contest with other parties, and the other parties won.
    You can continue to talk, but if all that talk is based solely on headlines without any knowledge of what happened, you will also continue to prove yourself a fool.
    If by "got in a pissing contest," you mean "spoke out against murder," then yes, that is accurate.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    I'm not saying that I agree with what happened, just that when you make shit up that is a little similar, and then throw it around, it prevents us from having an ACTUAL discussion, because so much time has to be wasted on clarification.

    Just imagine if I talked about the Palestinian people with the level of exaggeration and poetic liberty that you use to talk about Israel. I'd essentially be repeating YB party lines.

    Hamas was firing rockets DURING a cease fire. After a few months of Hamas IGNORING the cease-fire, Israel retaliated, because a sovereign nation CANNOT sit back and just let itself be attacked. Hamas stepped up their attacks, and then you had a couple of parties who SIDED WITH Hamas. Not opposed the war/incursion/whatever, but SIDED WITH the enemy. Imagine what would have happened to a political party in the US that SIDED WITH Al Qaeda in the wake of 9/11.
    God, I totally forgot about how we were blockading Al Qaeda for all those months before 9/11, preventing them from working, visiting family, or getting any sort of goods (including food and medical supplies). Silly me.

    Yes, poor Israel, who was attacked in a totally unprovoked manner by Hamas, who totally started it, as long as you count the date and time of the first rocket attack as the beginning of the timeline for "starting it."

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2009
    Pissing contest doesn't come close to explaining that shit away.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    [You know what, you win, Thany.

    You want to be a fucking moron and shit all over a thread in total ignorance, be my guest.



    If anyone had any questions in here about how Israel works, and what is going on that they ACTUALLY wanted answered, I'm happy to respond to PMs on whatever I can (and I can find an answert to anything I don't know off the top of my head). But I'm just tired of Thany's hate-speach.



    If you want to blame the occupation for terrorism, then you ALSO have to blame terrorism for the occupation. You can't expect EITHER side to drop everything and just die quietly.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Qliphoth wrote: »
    Well looking at a lot of the middle eastern conflicts, the US's unwavering support in favour of Israel and the massive amount of money given to them probably does significant damage to the US in the long term. Seems like trying to build good relations with people while funding people that hate them and that they hate might just be shooting yourself in the foot.

    No shit. But countries do tons of stupid shit that's not in their best long term interest (see - History).

    Neither the US nor Israel is well known for doing much in the best long term interests of the situation in the Middle East.

    shryke on
  • QliphothQliphoth Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Qliphoth wrote: »
    Ah yes I remember something similar mentioned by Bill Maher in Religulous.
    I'm kind of surprised that a guy with a handle taken from Jewish mysticism doesn't know this. :P

    That might be because it's not a Jewish belief.

    Pre last years primaries I knew nothing about American politics and the fundamentalists other than the entertaining quotes that you can find online.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    shryke on
  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    I'm not saying that I agree with what happened, just that when you make shit up that is a little similar, and then throw it around, it prevents us from having an ACTUAL discussion, because so much time has to be wasted on clarification.

    Just imagine if I talked about the Palestinian people with the level of exaggeration and poetic liberty that you use to talk about Israel. I'd essentially be repeating YB party lines.

    Hamas was firing rockets DURING a cease fire. After a few months of Hamas IGNORING the cease-fire, Israel retaliated, because a sovereign nation CANNOT sit back and just let itself be attacked. Hamas stepped up their attacks, and then you had a couple of parties who SIDED WITH Hamas. Not opposed the war/incursion/whatever, but SIDED WITH the enemy. Imagine what would have happened to a political party in the US that SIDED WITH Al Qaeda in the wake of 9/11.
    God, I totally forgot about how we were blockading Al Qaeda for all those months before 9/11, preventing them from working, visiting family, or getting any sort of goods (including food and medical supplies). Silly me.

    Yes, poor Israel, who was attacked in a totally unprovoked manner by Hamas, who totally started it, as long as you count the date and time of the first rocket attack as the beginning of the timeline for "starting it."

    If Kansas succeeded and regularly sent rockets into the US, do you think the US would allow itself to be used as a trade rout? Israel owns the sea lanes, and the only other country bordering Gaza is another country which chooses not to be used as a trade rout. If you feel that having control of ones airspace is necessary for a nation to have sovereignty, then you must also feel that Israel shouldn't have sovereignty.

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  • QliphothQliphoth Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Qliphoth wrote: »
    Well looking at a lot of the middle eastern conflicts, the US's unwavering support in favour of Israel and the massive amount of money given to them probably does significant damage to the US in the long term. Seems like trying to build good relations with people while funding people that hate them and that they hate might just be shooting yourself in the foot.

    No shit. But countries do tons of stupid shit that's not in their best long term interest (see - History).

    Neither the US nor Israel is well known for doing much in the best long term interests of the situation in the Middle East.

    Yeah but usually countries don't do those things at exactly the same time (or maybe they do and I'm forgetting my history but its a non-issue anyway). Trying to establish good relations with Arab Muslims while paying Israelis to kill them is quite the load of crap.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.
    Nowhere near enough, but still 8% for a demographic that makes up 13% of the population. And there is absolutely institutionalized racism against African Americans in the U.S. Arabs make up 20% of the Israeli population, but only 8% of the representatives, with the vast majority of the rest of the Knesset feeling that 2.5% would be a much better number. At least Congress hasn't overwhelmingly voted to expel 70% of the African American representatives in the past six or seven months.

    Thanatos on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Qliphoth wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Qliphoth wrote: »
    Well looking at a lot of the middle eastern conflicts, the US's unwavering support in favour of Israel and the massive amount of money given to them probably does significant damage to the US in the long term. Seems like trying to build good relations with people while funding people that hate them and that they hate might just be shooting yourself in the foot.

    No shit. But countries do tons of stupid shit that's not in their best long term interest (see - History).

    Neither the US nor Israel is well known for doing much in the best long term interests of the situation in the Middle East.

    Yeah but usually countries don't do those things at exactly the same time (or maybe they do and I'm forgetting my history but its a non-issue anyway). Trying to establish good relations with Arab Muslims while paying Israelis to kill them is quite the load of crap.

    This is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this kind of shit.

    And yeah, it's much more common then you'd think.

    shryke on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    You know what, you win, Thany.

    You want to be a fucking moron and shit all over a thread in total ignorance, be my guest.

    If anyone had any questions in here about how Israel works, and what is going on that they ACTUALLY wanted answered, I'm happy to respond to PMs on whatever I can (and I can find an answert to anything I don't know off the top of my head). But I'm just tired of Thany's hate-speach.

    If you want to blame the occupation for terrorism, then you ALSO have to blame terrorism for the occupation. You can't expect EITHER side to drop everything and just die quietly.
    Oh, give me a fucking break. I don't expect Israel to just roll over and "die quietly" as you put it; but I expect them to give up something. And every time they're asked to give up something and don't, you make fucking excuses for them, in spite of the fact that they're holding all the cards. They literally have everything, and the one and only thing the Palestinians have is terrorism. So, Israel just asks them to give that up as a pre-condition of negotiating, with absolutely zero in return. If I were the Palestinians, I'd say "fuck no!" as well, because that's fucking bullshit.

    Come down here and post with the rest of us when you're ready to climb down from your fucking cross.

    Thanatos on
  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.

    So Israel has no death squads for Arabs == Everything's hunky-dory and no disenfranchisement is going on?

    shryke on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.
    Uh, relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people. There are 43 current black members of Congress, and 43 current black Democratic members of Congress. Do the math.

    Thanatos on
  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Israel owns the sea lanes, and the only other country bordering Gaza is another country which chooses not to be used as a trade rout. If you feel that having control of ones airspace is necessary for a nation to have sovereignty, then you must also feel that Israel shouldn't have sovereignty.

    What?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?
    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.
    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?
    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.
    I'd really like to see what white turnout would look like in the American South if we put a bunch of black guys with guns in front of the voting booths.

    Thanatos on
  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.
    Nowhere near enough, but still 8% for a demographic that makes up 13% of the population. And there is absolutely institutionalized racism against African Americans in the U.S. Arabs make up 20% of the Israeli population, but only 8% of the representatives, with the vast majority of the rest of the Knesset feeling that 2.5% would be a much better number. At least Congress hasn't overwhelmingly voted to expel 70% of the African American representatives in the past six or seven months.

    Dude, the ejection was clearly based upon issues. Just because you disagree with said issues doesn't change that fact. The clearest evidence is that, originally, the parties seeking expulsion only sought the expulsion of the party with which they had come into conflict, only adding the other party to the list after said party joined the fray.

    Word to the wise: try doing a little research before throwing around foolish claims.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Nowhere near enough, but still 8% for a demographic that makes up 13% of the population. And there is absolutely institutionalized racism against African Americans in the U.S. Arabs make up 20% of the Israeli population, but only 8% of the representatives, with the vast majority of the rest of the Knesset feeling that 2.5% would be a much better number. At least Congress hasn't overwhelmingly voted to expel 70% of the African American representatives in the past six or seven months.
    Dude, the ejection was clearly based upon issues. Just because you disagree with said issues doesn't change that fact. The clearest evidence is that, originally, the parties seeking expulsion only sought the expulsion of the party with which they had come into conflict, only adding the other party to the list after said party joined the fray.

    Word to the wise: try doing a little research before throwing around foolish claims.
    Right, it's just a coincidence that the only parties they wanted thrown out (both this election, and in 2003) were the parties that were made up entirely of Arabs. It was really issue-driven. I mean, the issue in question was "damn, we hates us some Ay-rabs," but still, that's an issue, right?

    And I did plenty of research; they basically claimed that they were throwing them out for speaking out against the (incidentally massively popular among the Jewish population) brutal invasion of the West Bank. This is like how the American Civil War was over States' Rights, not slavery.

    Thanatos on
  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.
    Uh, relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people. There are 43 current black members of Congress, and 43 current black Democratic members of Congress. Do the math.

    That's 8% of congress. African Americans made up 13% of the votes in 2008. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population.

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  • QliphothQliphoth Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Nowhere near enough, but still 8% for a demographic that makes up 13% of the population. And there is absolutely institutionalized racism against African Americans in the U.S. Arabs make up 20% of the Israeli population, but only 8% of the representatives, with the vast majority of the rest of the Knesset feeling that 2.5% would be a much better number. At least Congress hasn't overwhelmingly voted to expel 70% of the African American representatives in the past six or seven months.
    Dude, the ejection was clearly based upon issues. Just because you disagree with said issues doesn't change that fact. The clearest evidence is that, originally, the parties seeking expulsion only sought the expulsion of the party with which they had come into conflict, only adding the other party to the list after said party joined the fray.

    Word to the wise: try doing a little research before throwing around foolish claims.
    Right, it's just a coincidence that the only parties they wanted thrown out (both this election, and in 2003) were the parties that were made up entirely of Arabs. It was really issue-driven. I mean, the issue in question was "damn, we hates us some Ay-rabs," but still, that's an issue, right?

    And I did plenty of research; they basically claimed that they were throwing them out for speaking out against the (incidentally massively popular among the Jewish population) brutal invasion of the Gaza strip. This is like how the American Civil War was over States' Rights, not slavery.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2009
    What Israel did was discriminatory bullshit to anyone who isn't blind, but it doesn't affect much as far the peace process is concerned. I'm fine with racist Israel giving sovereignty to the Palestinians just as I would with non-racist Israel.

    They do actually need to give sovereignty, though.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Nowhere near enough, but still 8% for a demographic that makes up 13% of the population. And there is absolutely institutionalized racism against African Americans in the U.S. Arabs make up 20% of the Israeli population, but only 8% of the representatives, with the vast majority of the rest of the Knesset feeling that 2.5% would be a much better number. At least Congress hasn't overwhelmingly voted to expel 70% of the African American representatives in the past six or seven months.
    Dude, the ejection was clearly based upon issues. Just because you disagree with said issues doesn't change that fact. The clearest evidence is that, originally, the parties seeking expulsion only sought the expulsion of the party with which they had come into conflict, only adding the other party to the list after said party joined the fray.

    Word to the wise: try doing a little research before throwing around foolish claims.
    Right, it's just a coincidence that the only parties they wanted thrown out (both this election, and in 2003) were the parties that were made up entirely of Arabs. It was really issue-driven. I mean, the issue in question was "damn, we hates us some Ay-rabs," but still, that's an issue, right?

    And I did plenty of research; they basically claimed that they were throwing them out for speaking out against the (incidentally massively popular among the Jewish population) brutal invasion of the West Bank. This is like how the American Civil War was over States' Rights, not slavery.

    It's not a coincidence, but that doesn't mean all the Israelis were out to get them. The two Arab parties are closely aligned, so it isn't surprising that they support each other.

    Also, good job with the bolded.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.

    So Israel has no death squads for Arabs == Everything's hunky-dory and no disenfranchisement is going on?

    No, lack of death squads==Thanatos talking out of his ass.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.
    Uh, relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people. There are 43 current black members of Congress, and 43 current black Democratic members of Congress. Do the math.
    That's 8% of congress. African Americans made up 13% of the votes in 2008. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population.
    ...

    Right, but blacks make up 14% of the Democratic Congressional delegation, and zero percent of the Republican Congressional delegation. Put another way, over a billion times as many Democratic Congressmen are black than Republican Congressmen, i.e., relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.

    So Israel has no death squads for Arabs == Everything's hunky-dory and no disenfranchisement is going on?

    No, lack of death squads==Thanatos talking out of his ass.

    I don't think Thanatos said that death squads were the sole and only reason arabs weren't voting or being represented.

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  • QliphothQliphoth Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    What Israel did would be the equivalent of banning the democrat party for supporting black issues and then claiming that they're not repressing black people they can vote for whoever they want, just not the people that represent their opinions.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.
    Uh, relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people. There are 43 current black members of Congress, and 43 current black Democratic members of Congress. Do the math.
    That's 8% of congress. African Americans made up 13% of the votes in 2008. Blacks make up roughly 13% of the population.
    ...

    Right, but blacks make up 14% of the Democratic Congressional delegation, and zero percent of the Republican Congressional delegation. Put another way, over a billion times as many Democratic Congressmen are black than Republican Congressmen, i.e., relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people.

    Labour has over a billion times as many Arab members in the Knesset as Likud and Kadima combined.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    So Israel has no death squads for Arabs == Everything's hunky-dory and no disenfranchisement is going on?
    No, lack of death squads==Thanatos talking out of his ass.
    You're going to have to point out where I mentioned death squads.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    As for your insinuation that Arabs are kept from voting, do you have ANYTHING to back that up with, or are you just letting some diarrhea loose, and shitting all over the thread? Those kinds of BASELESS accusations are EXACTLY what prevents civil discourse on the internet.
    You're right, Arabs must just choose not to vote in elections. They must just not like voting, and that's why they've only got about a third of the representation they should.

    I mean, it's for their own good, right?

    How many blacks are there in congress? Is it anywhere near black election turnout?

    I guess that that means that blacks are being beaten up for voting on a regular basis throughout the country.

    Wait, your saying Black Disenfranchisement in the US isn't real? Seriously?

    No, but it tends to be through unfair voting requirements in republican controlled states, not through death squads. It's also bogus to say that the number of blacks in congress is equal to black voter turnout. Black people tend to vote democratic, but that doesn't mean that the democratic party must be full of black people.

    Similarly, it can be presumed that Israeli Arabs vote labour.

    So Israel has no death squads for Arabs == Everything's hunky-dory and no disenfranchisement is going on?

    No, lack of death squads==Thanatos talking out of his ass.

    I don't think Thanatos said that death squads were the sole and only reason arabs weren't voting or being represented.

    Well, my other argument was that Thanatos is doesn't know how to analyze statistics.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ...

    Right, but blacks make up 14% of the Democratic Congressional delegation, and zero percent of the Republican Congressional delegation. Put another way, over a billion times as many Democratic Congressmen are black than Republican Congressmen, i.e., relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people.
    Labour has over a billion times as many Arab members in the Knesset as Likud and Kadima combined.
    Only if you don't consider the Druze to be Arab.

    Maybe I'm not the one who needs to do some research to figure out what the fuck I'm talking about, eh?

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2009
    Quote trees.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    So Israel has no death squads for Arabs == Everything's hunky-dory and no disenfranchisement is going on?
    No, lack of death squads==Thanatos talking out of his ass.
    You're going to have to point out where I mentioned death squads.
    which I'm sure isn't a result of any sort of institutionalized racism on the part of Israel, but only a natural result of a bunch of Jews with guns telling any Arabs that it might be best for their health if they stayed home on election day.

    What the hell would you call that?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    So Israel has no death squads for Arabs == Everything's hunky-dory and no disenfranchisement is going on?
    No, lack of death squads==Thanatos talking out of his ass.
    You're going to have to point out where I mentioned death squads.
    which I'm sure isn't a result of any sort of institutionalized racism on the part of Israel, but only a natural result of a bunch of Jews with guns telling any Arabs that it might be best for their health if they stayed home on election day.
    What the hell would you call that?
    I'm sorry, I was under the impression that death squads involved "death."

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  • JohnOrangePeelJohnOrangePeel Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Glad to see most people here can see straight through netanyahus hot air blowing out of his ass recently; people that want to see the truth anyway.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ...

    Right, but blacks make up 14% of the Democratic Congressional delegation, and zero percent of the Republican Congressional delegation. Put another way, over a billion times as many Democratic Congressmen are black than Republican Congressmen, i.e., relatively speaking, the Democratic party is full of black people.
    Labour has over a billion times as many Arab members in the Knesset as Likud and Kadima combined.
    Only if you don't consider the Druze to be Arab.

    Maybe I'm not the one who needs to do some research to figure out what the fuck I'm talking about, eh?

    If the Israelis are so racist, do you really think they care?

    Besides that, Druze is a religious division, and their history seems to suggest that at least a large component of their population are Arab.

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