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Low fps with OLD games (help me plz)

SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
edited June 2009 in Games and Technology
Hi my name's Solphrae, and i have a wierd problem. When i play Anarchy online, my fps is really low, id say 13-29 fps, but when i played shadowbane (which to me has 30% better graphics than AO) i can get high Fps, and while my comp is really not up to running todays games, it makes no sense to me. Ive downloaded the drivers for my card (which btw is an Nvidia geforce 8400 gs, and if it can help more, my comp ghs is 2.79), set my card to performance, but it only helped a little. Can anyone help me?

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  • EndaroEndaro Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't know any tricks for AO, and I don't know much about maximizing fps in general, but before the experts swoop in, have you tried any of the other standard tricks? Defrag-ing your computer, or using disk cleanup? How much RAM do you have?

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    what is defraging, what is disk cleanup and isnt ram just space? for that do i need to delete something?

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  • RobmanRobman Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Oh boy

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  • Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Uh. De-fraging is a really really basic part of computer maintenance... so is disk cleanup.

    Judging from that statement, I can guess 3 things:
    1) Your computer has a bunch of viruses on it.
    2) You have 400-500 songs n your computer taking up most of your *harddrive space
    3) Both of those two.


    *Doh

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  • EndaroEndaro Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Solphrae wrote: »
    what is defraging, what is disk cleanup and isnt ram just space? for that do i need to delete something?

    For XP or Vista, if you hit the start button in the lower left, go to All Programs, Accessories, and System Tools. Both are under there. Disk cleanup removes unnecessary old files, such as temporary files created when things are installed. Disk cleanup allows you to remove them. Defrag, is a bit harder to explain, but basically reorganizes files in your computer so it can work more efficiently.

    I was asking about RAM because you didn't list yours, and it is often the first thing needed to be upgraded to improve performance and speed, especially back before video cards handled so much. If yours is low, you might need to upgrade it. Luckily, that is a cheap and easy process these days.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Robman wrote: »
    Oh boy

    We all started somewhere man. :lol:

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    no viruses, i dont think anyone has that many songs, i may have 50+. and what statement?

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  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 PhiladelphiaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Maybe not so easy if you assume ram is space on the computer.(That's the Hard Disk Drive not ram btw)
    also: I don't think anyone has that many songs; I have like 5200 songs on my computer.

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  • Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Solphrae wrote: »
    no viruses, i dont think anyone has that many songs, i may have 50+. and what statement?

    Can you list your full specs?

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  • Ramen NoodleRamen Noodle whoa, god has a picture of me! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Uh. De-fraging is a really really basic part of computer maintenance... so is disk cleanup.

    Judging from that statement, I can guess 3 things:
    1) Your computer has a bunch of viruses on it.
    2) You have 400-500 songs n your computer taking up most of your RAM
    3) Both of those two.

    Why would songs have ANYTHING to do with it? I have over 8000 and this computer runs plenty fast. I think it's the video card, an 8400 GS isn't much of a gaming card.

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  • Hugh JassHugh Jass I'm Squint Eastwood Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Solphrae wrote: »
    what is defraging, what is disk cleanup and isnt ram just space? for that do i need to delete something?

    1. Defragging - double click on my computer and right click on C: drive. Choose properties, click the tools tab and click on defragment now... Let it do its thing, it may take a half an hour or so to finish.

    2. tell us how much ram you have by right clicking on my computer and selecting properties. Under the general tab it lists some of your specs at the bottom where it says computer.

    Also, let us know if the cpu you have is a celeron/sempron. If so your doomed to have shit performance in most games no matter what you do.

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  • Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Uh. De-fraging is a really really basic part of computer maintenance... so is disk cleanup.

    Judging from that statement, I can guess 3 things:
    1) Your computer has a bunch of viruses on it.
    2) You have 400-500 songs n your computer taking up most of your RAM
    3) Both of those two.

    Why would songs have ANYTHING to do with it? I have over 8000 and this computer runs plenty fast. I think it's the video card, an 8400 GS isn't much of a gaming card.

    I have 3-4 friends with shitty computers who download thousands of songs, then install games on there computer and take up almost all of their harddrive.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    RanWhy: would songs have ANYTHING to do with it? I have over 8000 and this computer runs plenty fast. I think it's the video card, an 8400 GS isn't much of a gaming card.

    the only games i am having this problem with are wolfenstein ET and anarchy online. not every game

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  • BabbleBabble Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Uh. De-fraging is a really really basic part of computer maintenance... so is disk cleanup.

    Judging from that statement, I can guess 3 things:
    1) Your computer has a bunch of viruses on it.
    2) You have 400-500 songs n your computer taking up most of your RAM
    3) Both of those two.

    Why would songs have ANYTHING to do with it? I have over 8000 and this computer runs plenty fast. I think it's the video card, an 8400 GS isn't much of a gaming card.

    I have 3-4 friends with shitty computers who download thousands of songs, then install games on there computer and take up almost all of their harddrive.

    Yes but what does that have to do with RAM?

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Defragging actually does something? In my whole life defragmenting a hard-drive never made any amount of a difference. And in this case it wont help improve FPS at all, and the drop in framerate doesn't have anything to do with the age of the game. Lower the graphics settings. If that doesn't help, there's more than likely nothing you can do. Try posting on the AO forums.
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Uh. De-fraging is a really really basic part of computer maintenance... so is disk cleanup.

    Judging from that statement, I can guess 3 things:
    1) Your computer has a bunch of viruses on it.
    2) You have 400-500 songs n your computer taking up most of your RAM
    3) Both of those two.

    Why would songs have ANYTHING to do with it? I have over 8000 and this computer runs plenty fast. I think it's the video card, an 8400 GS isn't much of a gaming card.

    I have 3-4 friends with shitty computers who download thousands of songs, then install games on there computer and take up almost all of their harddrive.

    Songs have nothing to do with anything. ANYTHING. If you're talking about hard-drive space you only need enough for your virtual-RAM, and it doesn't matter at all how much of it is taken up.

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  • Hugh JassHugh Jass I'm Squint Eastwood Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Uh. De-fraging is a really really basic part of computer maintenance... so is disk cleanup.

    Judging from that statement, I can guess 3 things:
    1) Your computer has a bunch of viruses on it.
    2) You have 400-500 songs n your computer taking up most of your RAM
    3) Both of those two.

    Why would songs have ANYTHING to do with it? I have over 8000 and this computer runs plenty fast. I think it's the video card, an 8400 GS isn't much of a gaming card.

    I have 3-4 friends with shitty computers who download thousands of songs, then install games on there computer and take up almost all of their harddrive.

    Yeah... but its not the songs that do it. It has a lot to do with limewire or whatever program they used to download the songs. Using those programs just opens up a whole can of worms and lets in all kinds of bad shit on your computer. Btw, having a ton of songs takes up HDD space, but not ram :P

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    That's another thing, scan for spyware. Use SUPERAntiSpyware, AdAware, and SpyBot.

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  • TheUnsane1TheUnsane1 PhiladelphiaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    rayofash wrote: »
    Defragging actually does something? In my whole life defragmenting a hard-drive never made any amount of a difference. And in this case it wont help improve FPS at all, and the drop in framerate doesn't have anything to do with the age of the game. Lower the graphics settings. If that doesn't help, there's more than likely nothing you can do. Try posting on the AO forums.
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Toxin01 wrote: »
    Uh. De-fraging is a really really basic part of computer maintenance... so is disk cleanup.

    Judging from that statement, I can guess 3 things:
    1) Your computer has a bunch of viruses on it.
    2) You have 400-500 songs n your computer taking up most of your RAM
    3) Both of those two.

    Why would songs have ANYTHING to do with it? I have over 8000 and this computer runs plenty fast. I think it's the video card, an 8400 GS isn't much of a gaming card.

    I have 3-4 friends with shitty computers who download thousands of songs, then install games on there computer and take up almost all of their harddrive.

    Songs have nothing to do with anything. ANYTHING. If you're talking about hard-drive space you only need enough for your virtual-RAM, and it doesn't matter at all how much of it is taken up.

    If you defrag regularly you won't notice much, if you never defrag and are big on downloading things then deleting them and downloading more you should notice a pretty decent improvement from a defrag.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    rayofash: i no I dont think if the game is old the fps drops, btw can someone tell me how to do somone wrote:

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    btw if you need to know my ram, i think you might be surprised

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  • rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Solphrae wrote: »
    btw if you need to know my ram, i think you might be surprised

    So why didn't you tell us in this post? Or several posts ago when people were asking for it?

    Also, don't double post. There's an edit button right there at the bottom right of your post.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Solphrae wrote: »
    btw if you need to know my ram, i think you might be surprised

    ...what?


    We need to know your RAM because a lot of things take up RAM and some games are more RAM intensive than others, so it could be that AO is simply a RAM intensive program while Shadowbane is limited by GPU or CPU more, which are up to the task

    Anyways, the 8400 isn't the best card in the world, but it should be able to handle AO.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Ok it says.....0.99 ram. i think thats bad.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Wow that is not a measurement of RAM.

    Are you sure you're looking at RAM? It'll be in a measurement of MB or GB, and will be in the increments of:

    256 MB, 512 MB, 1,024MB(1 GB), 2GB. There's a chance of having 768Mb or 1.25, 1.5, 1.75 GB, but really if it's not one of those you may be looking at the wrong thing.

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    No, it's decent, it means you have 1GB of RAM.

    Some older games don't run as well as newer ones, because they aren't as well programmed. Maybe you have enabled an option in your older game that makes it run slower. For example, enabling HDR in Lineage II will give pretty bad performance on a new machine, because it uses a very old version of HDR that isn't very optimized.

    (BTW, I have 17,000 songs in my computer :P)

    Edit: Khavall, Windows XP usually lists 1GB of RAM as 0.99GB under system properties.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Khavall wrote: »
    Wow that is not a measurement of RAM.

    Are you sure you're looking at RAM? It'll be in a measurement of MB or GB, and will be in the increments of:

    256 MB, 512 MB, 1,024MB(1 GB), 2GB. There's a chance of having 768Mb or 1.25, 1.5, 1.75 GB, but really if it's not one of those you may be looking at the wrong thing.


    it says 2.79 Ghz, 0.99 GB of RAM
    soooo, i should be heading off to bestbuy to buy RAM?

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Satsumomo wrote: »

    Edit: Khavall, Windows XP usually lists 1GB of RAM as 0.99GB under system properties.

    Ok, I was also thrown off by the fact that the unit of measurement was "ram" which... I guess it isn't, so I was off.



    You have enough ram to cover AO, so that's not it.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    ....

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    ok, well i might as well do something on AO.com. btw would RAM help with playing other games? ive always wanted COH (company not city) but its kinda laggy on the demo.

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    RAM would help, but very little. What you really need to do is buy a newer, more powerful graphic card. You need to get a 8/9500GT or a 8/9600GT, at the very least. Anything lower, or GS model wouldn't make that much of an improvement

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    What video card are you using? If you go to start-> run, and type in "dxdiag" then press enter. If a dialog pops up, hit yes. When the window comes up, go over to "Display", and tell us what is under Name and Manufacturer.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    meh, i think its my Ghz which makes my computer suck, do video cards do anything? like, if i bought an 8600, whould it increase my Ghz?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    You're talking about Processor speed. A video card won't do that for you. The processor I have at home is 2 Ghz and runs Crysis at full settings.

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  • AumniAumni Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Solphrae wrote: »
    meh, i think its my Ghz which makes my computer suck, do video cards do anything? like, if i bought an 8600, whould it increase my Ghz?

    I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not.

    Download the latest drivers for your graphics card from Nvidia.com

    Defrag if you haven't already.

    Listen to the other's advice regarding Spyware and Viruses, there is a lot of good software in their posts.

    How old is your computer? What type of processor?

    More information can't hurt.

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    An 8600GT would make all of your games run much much better, but it wouldn't increase your CPU speed. Your processor is fine though, I've got a 1.6ghz that can run games fine at home.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    this is what display says:
    Name: NVIDIa GeForce 8400 Gs
    Manufacurer: NviDIA
    Chip type: Geforce 8400 Gs
    DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
    Approx. Total Memory 512 MB
    Current display mode: 1280x 960 (32 bit) (75 HZ)

    also one more thing, what can i do to get fps up in BF2 that has to be my favorite game and i only uninstalled it because of the fps.

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  • SolphraeSolphrae Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    elliotw2 wrote: »
    An 8600GT would make all of your games run much much better, but it wouldn't increase your CPU speed. Your processor is fine though, I've got a 1.6ghz that can run games fine at home.

    yeah, but what kind of games? (im talking, alot of things happening on screen, what year were they made)

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  • elliotw2elliotw2 Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Solphrae wrote: »
    this is what display says:
    Name: NVIDIa GeForce 8400 Gs
    Manufacurer: NviDIA
    Chip type: Geforce 8400 Gs
    DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
    Approx. Total Memory 512 MB
    Current display mode: 1280x 960 (32 bit) (75 HZ)

    also one more thing, what can i do to get fps up in BF2 that has to be my favorite game and i only uninstalled it because of the fps.

    New graphic card. I wouldn't trust a 8400GS to run Vista's desktop, much less a game

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Yeah I think it's your video card that's acting up. But not running AO at a decent speed is really weird. AO was played on a Voodoo 3 back in the day.

    Google "super anti-spyware", install it, update it, and run it. That should help a bit.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm assuming Anarchy Online is an old enough game that it allows you to choose a software renderer for the game. Make sure this setting (if it exists) is not selected or else would be the cause of your low framerate. Make sure you have hardware or 3D acceleration (should be something like that) enabled in the video settings.

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