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Help Me Buy a PSP

BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
edited June 2009 in Games and Technology
Wasn't sure where else to put this so I'm making a thread. Hopefully it can help some others, too.

It's finally become apparent that I can't go without a PSP any longer. There are too many games out and on the horizon, and so I've decided to bite the bullet and pick one up.

The problem is: Which one do I get? I am not a fan of digital only, so waiting for the PSP Go isn't really something I'm going to do, but beyond that, I am lost. Do I get a 2000? A 3000? Do I search for the fat one? Are they even different enough to matter?

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Wasn't sure where else to put this so I'm making a thread. Hopefully it can help some others, too.

    It's finally become apparent that I can't go without a PSP any longer. There are too many games out and on the horizon, and so I've decided to bite the bullet and pick one up.

    The problem is: Which one do I get? I am not a fan of digital only, so waiting for the PSP Go isn't really something I'm going to do, but beyond that, I am lost. Do I get a 2000? A 3000? Do I search for the fat one? Are they even different enough to matter?

    Get a 3000. End of story. :P

    "The PSP-3000 has an improved LCD screen with an increased color range, five times the contrast ratio, half the pixel response time to reduce ghosting and blurring effects, a new sub-pixel structure, a microphone, a new disc tray design, new button designs and logos, and anti-reflective technology to improve outdoor playability."

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Since you want games that are coming out in the future(and obviously aren't concerned about homebrew apps) I would recommend a slim one as I think the battery they come with has a longer life.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The 3000 also has the nifty component video out.

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The 3000 finally got rid of blurring? Maybe I need to get a new psp..

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'd recommend the 3000. Perhaps the Rock Band Entertainment pack would interest you? It comes with RB: Unplugged (which is basically Frequency/Amplitude with a Rock Band paint job), a voucher to download School of Rock off the PSN, and a 4GB memory stick.

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  • DracilDracil Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Personally, I'd go with a 2000 with an older board and put CFW on it. The better battery life and faster loading times and not carrying around a bag of UMDs are too good to pass up. But if you're absolutely sure those are things you don't care about, yeah, get a 3000.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    It's not that I don't care about CFW, it's that I know literally nothing about it. :lol:

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Finding an older 2000 can prove difficult. Amazon and best buy both have them for sale, but they are generally the newer ones.

    If you can find an older 2000, then go for it, otherwise get a 3000. (The biggest benefit of CFW is you can rip your UMD games to memory stick. This allows you to carry multiple games at once without having to lug UMDs, gives you faster loads and improves battery life.)

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    It's not that I don't care about CFW, it's that I know literally nothing about it. :lol:

    Homebrew's the main draw. New music playing apps, new video apps, text editors, fanmade games and ports(I'm positive there's a DOOM source port, and a Cave Story port, for instance), as well as of course things I am not allowed to discuss here.

    Also with a little trickery you can make yourself capable of taking screenshots from the PSP. It's so awesome and handy.

    I think they just cracked the 3000, though.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    yalborap wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    It's not that I don't care about CFW, it's that I know literally nothing about it. :lol:

    Homebrew's the main draw. New music playing apps, new video apps, text editors, fanmade games and ports(I'm positive there's a DOOM source port, and a Cave Story port, for instance), as well as of course things I am not allowed to discuss here.

    Also with a little trickery you can make yourself capable of taking screenshots from the PSP. It's so awesome and handy.

    I think they just cracked the 3000, though.

    See thats funny because I never really use any of the homebrew. (Although I did play Cave Story) For me its all about the fast loading and the crazy long battery life.

    If you want to save some money you can get a cheap slim from dell.com http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Sony_PSP/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=eep&cs=6099&sku=A1320879

    Its $120 and another $8 should come off when you check out.

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  • l337CrappyJackl337CrappyJack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Seriously, 2000 or nothing. I love my PSP more than my 360 or my PS3, and I barely ever play official PSP games. Not getting homebrew is like buying an expensive beer stein and filling it with Keystone. Yeah, they've got it on the 3000, but it's not really hacked yet, they're basically just in the "We can maybe kinda start hacking it soon I think" proof of concept stage.

    And trust me, I knew even less about homebrew than you did when I got mine. But if you follow a guide, it's so easy as to be ludicrous.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Seriously, 2000 or nothing. I love my PSP more than my 360 or my PS3, and I barely ever play official PSP games. Not getting homebrew is like buying an expensive beer stein and filling it with Keystone. Yeah, they've got it on the 3000, but it's not really hacked yet, they're basically just in the "We can maybe kinda start hacking it soon I think" proof of concept stage.

    And trust me, I knew even less about homebrew than you did when I got mine. But if you follow a guide, it's so easy as to be ludicrous.

    So you don't think the 3000 will ever be sufficiently hacked then? Because the difference between 2000 and 3000 is no slouch. If there's ever a chance at having a 3000 with homebrew, I think you'd want that.

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  • ShujaaShujaa Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    yalborap wrote: »
    I'm positive there's a DOOM source port

    Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Quake. Also Duke Nukem 3D but it didn't turn out too good (can't save and it's unstable).

    There are loads of homebrew apps, although typically you'll only use the few you need. I have a streaming online video viewer (works with most youtube-like sites and lets you either stream directly or save for later), and a comic book app. Access to PS1 games was also a big thing for me, stuff like the old FF games are perfect for the PSP. The SNES emulator looks great too, haven't got round to trying it yet.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Esh wrote: »
    Get a 3000. End of story. :P

    "The PSP-3000 has an improved LCD screen with an increased color range, five times the contrast ratio, half the pixel response time to reduce ghosting and blurring effects, a new sub-pixel structure, a microphone, a new disc tray design, new button designs and logos, and anti-reflective technology to improve outdoor playability."

    For some reason I thought this said ash tray and was totally thrown for a second.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    FYI, the PSP-3000 is broken - it's just not loading the CFW straight off the flash. You need 5.03 firmware and need to do a boot/launch loader/launch exploit sequence every cold boot though, so it's not nearly the same level of boot-and-go as the PSP-2000.

    So in other words, it's just a matter of time.

    But for now, buy a PSP-2000 and a nice big Memory Stick, and claim that you have a "PSP Go dev unit" when people ask you :P

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The Rockband Bundle and the Dissadia Bundles are really great deals. I'm tempted to get them, but part of me wants to get the go, just cause I'm a gadget whore.

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  • WulfWulf Disciple of Tzeentch The Void... (New Jersey)Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Plus the original PSP felt solid (even if you could twist it to make the UMD launch like a ballista) whereas the 3000 feels cheap and flimsy.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    greeble wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    It's not that I don't care about CFW, it's that I know literally nothing about it. :lol:

    Homebrew's the main draw. New music playing apps, new video apps, text editors, fanmade games and ports(I'm positive there's a DOOM source port, and a Cave Story port, for instance), as well as of course things I am not allowed to discuss here.

    Also with a little trickery you can make yourself capable of taking screenshots from the PSP. It's so awesome and handy.

    I think they just cracked the 3000, though.

    See thats funny because I never really use any of the homebrew. (Although I did play Cave Story) For me its all about the fast loading and the crazy long battery life.

    If you want to save some money you can get a cheap slim from dell.com http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Sony_PSP/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=eep&cs=6099&sku=A1320879

    Its $120 and another $8 should come off when you check out.

    Cosigned; I was even going to point out the Dell sale, but you beat me to it. :) Aside from Cave Story, I've never really screwed around with homebrew, barring the one app that lets me rip my UMDs straight to the memory stick. The vastly improved loading times and battery life is incredibly worth the $15 of materials and 45 minutes of time you'll spend installing a custom firm. Rock Band Unplugged is a great example: I played it on UMD first before I installed it, and the initial loading was maybe 5-10 seconds. On the memory stick, it loads in about 2 seconds. Build up loading before every song and mini-loading when switching menus, and it's clear the game shines in digital distro.
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    Plus the original PSP felt solid (even if you could twist it to make the UMD launch like a ballista) whereas the 3000 feels cheap and flimsy.

    What you call "cheap and flimsy," I call "light and compact." I ditched my 1000 for a 2000 when the white one launched and never looked back. I'll admit the 1000 does have kind of a sexy build quality to it, but as a portable gaming device getting something that's almost half the weight is really a no-brainer.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lunker wrote: »
    Cosigned; I was even going to point out the Dell sale, but you beat me to it. :)

    Does anyone know what motherboard revision the Dell PSP-2Ks are? I could always use a second one, but I'd hate to get cockblocked by a late-revision TA-88v3. The price makes me think they're clearing old stock though ...

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  • sir_pinch-a-loafsir_pinch-a-loaf #YODORegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lunker wrote: »
    Cosigned; I was even going to point out the Dell sale, but you beat me to it. :)

    Does anyone know what motherboard revision the Dell PSP-2Ks are? I could always use a second one, but I'd hate to get cockblocked by a late-revision TA-88v3. The price makes me think they're clearing old stock though ...

    This. I'm so close to pulling the trigger on the Dell deal.

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  • Rotting MeatRotting Meat Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Old thread that you may find relevant:
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=83732

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lunker wrote: »
    Cosigned; I was even going to point out the Dell sale, but you beat me to it. :)

    Does anyone know what motherboard revision the Dell PSP-2Ks are? I could always use a second one, but I'd hate to get cockblocked by a late-revision TA-88v3. The price makes me think they're clearing old stock though ...

    I think it's pretty much pot luck but I would fancy your chances, from what I remember the vast majority should be hackable. I got my PSP 2000 from a clearance store a bit over six months ago that had bought a ton of PSPs off retailers wanting to make room for 3000s and I hacked that no problems. This Dell stock is probably a similar deal.

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  • WulfWulf Disciple of Tzeentch The Void... (New Jersey)Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lunker wrote: »
    Wulf wrote:
    Plus the original PSP felt solid (even if you could twist it to make the UMD launch like a ballista) whereas the 3000 feels cheap and flimsy.

    What you call "cheap and flimsy," I call "light and compact." I ditched my 1000 for a 2000 when the white one launched and never looked back. I'll admit the 1000 does have kind of a sexy build quality to it, but as a portable gaming device getting something that's almost half the weight is really a no-brainer.

    Things can be light and compact without feeling cheap and flimsy. My iPhone? Light, compact and solid. No, I stand by my statement, the newer PSP's (with the exception of the PSPGo, since I haven't man-handled that one yet) feel like they could be snapped in half like balsa wood.

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  • prismeclipserprismeclipser Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I love my PSP 2K. Frankly, I've seen a 3K in action, and the screen just bothered me too much to even consider it. The ghosting was pretty noticeable for me.

    Also, Wagic the Homebrew is Magic the Gathering for the PSP. It's awesome although it's still primitive. (Just this latest version we got counterspell.) But it's open source so you can add your own cards if you want to add the official cards or if you want to play with a joke set like Naruto or Final Fantasy or something.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The ghosting should be less on the 3000. (better response time) The 3000 suffers from interlacing.

    I would not expect the dell 2k psps to be the older ones. Dell isn't a clearing house and generally keeps their supply line fairly trim. I think the deal ends tomorrow, so don't take too long to decide.

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  • prismeclipserprismeclipser Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    greeble wrote: »
    The ghosting should be less on the 3000. (better response time) The 3000 suffers from interlacing.

    Ah sorry about that then. The screen really was off and I didn't know the term for it.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    You could wait for the Dissidia bundle, since it's going to come with a game you're bound to want anyway, Advent Children on UMD, and a 1GB(?) memory card.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    You could wait for the Dissidia bundle, since it's going to come with a game you're bound to want anyway, Advent Children on UMD, and a 1GB(?) memory card.
    I don't want Dissidia (I'm awful at fighting games and am not nearly a large enough FF whore to buy it anyway) and would never pay money for Advent Children. :P

    I think I'm leaning toward a 3000 at the moment. CFW seems neat but not really a big enough draw to neglect the improvements of the 3000.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    You could wait for the Dissidia bundle, since it's going to come with a game you're bound to want anyway, Advent Children on UMD, and a 1GB(?) memory card.
    I don't want Dissidia (I'm awful at fighting games and am not nearly a large enough FF whore to buy it anyway) and would never pay money for Advent Children. :P

    Well, your other bundle options are Rock Band, Ratchet, and/or Daxter(not likely you'll find this, it was a 2000), so at least there's a chance you'll want the Dissidia one. :P

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Rock Band: Unplugged is actually pretty damn fun. Try the demo... (warning demo does not let you finish the whole song)

    Its like frequency/amplitude I'm told. I never played them myself. However if you are a button tapping god you might find Unplugged too easy. (I'm not that great myself. I can do all the songs on Hard, but only really 4 and 5 star the easy ones, and sometimes fail the harder ones)

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I am horrible at rhythm games so Rock Band is probably out of the question too. :lol:

    Honestly I'd probably just not get a pack-in and just buy the core system a game and a 4 gig card

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Thing is, that's going to wind up costing you way more than a bundle would, especially the 4 gig card. 1 GB is plenty for a long time. Worse case scenario, pawn off the stuff from the bundle you don't want, and put that towards something good.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I'm lazy. I'm not going to go through the hassle of buying a bundle of stuff I don't want and then reselling it all just to save a couple dollars. Also, looking at Amazon, I can get a 3000 and a 4 gig card for less than a bundle. And I'd be buying games for it anyway, so...

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Thing is, that's going to wind up costing you way more than a bundle would, especially the 4 gig card. 1 GB is plenty for a long time. Worse case scenario, pawn off the stuff from the bundle you don't want, and put that towards something good.

    It depends, really; you can get 4GB cards for $20 to $30 and 8GB for as low as $40 if you look around enough. A 1GB is enough for just saves, but if you're looking for digital distro down the road (or you custom-firm for your own UMDs) it's worth it to get the biggest stick you can afford. Even if you bought a bundle and traded in the game, at most you'd get $20 for the game, meaning the 1GB still cost you $20 overall.

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Blackjack wrote: »
    CFW seems neat but not really a big enough draw to neglect the improvements of the 3000.

    Foolish fool is foolish.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I don't have CFW, and I still have more stuff on my PSP than I know what to do with. It's cool and all, but you don't need it.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    I don't have CFW, and I still have more stuff on my PSP than I know what to do with. It's cool and all, but you don't need it.

    True, you don't need it. Just as long as you acknowledge that you're willingly accepting increased loading times and lower battery life. ;-)

    Though I wonder if someone's ever done a speed comparison between an official digital version of a PSP game and a ripped UMD version on a custom-firm PSP. I would think they'd be the same, but in one of the more recent updates there was a high-speed memory stick option that let you increase loading speed beyond what was normally open (though it crashed some homebrew applications).

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Moioink wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    CFW seems neat but not really a big enough draw to neglect the improvements of the 3000.

    Foolish fool is foolish.
    The only part I really am interested in is the ability to play PS1 games. I already have more music players, video players, internet browsers, and text managers than I know what to do with.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    ^I hear the PS1 Personas don't like CFW.

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    I don't have CFW, and I still have more stuff on my PSP than I know what to do with. It's cool and all, but you don't need it.

    Without CFW you have a "portable" system with bad loading times, bulky media and very limited battery life. I wouldn't recommend a PSP to anyone without it unless they were okay with never taking it outside.

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