2,877,000 for DQIX, Day-one. I am unsure the source, so it goes in the rumor pile for now. Unbelievable if true, though.
That's perfectly believable. DQ7 sold more than that, day one, and it was just on the PSX, not on god's own handheld.
The internet is reporting that the previous day one sales record in Japan was 2.5 million for FF7. DQ7 was a top seller but I'm only seeing around 3.5 million overall which would make 2.5 mil day one sales incredibly front loaded!
It's the highest selling JRPG yet in Japan. Closest FF game was FF8 at like 3.08 (3.8?) million, none of the FFs have come close since.
(Second highest JRPG was Dragon Quest 3 way back in 1988, which sold 3.8 million. That's the game that caused the "No Dragon Quest Sales during the Work Week" thing in Japan.)
If anyone is interested, DQ9 on amazon.co.jp is receiving some scathing user reviews. I can't read them, but apparently they're complaining about a lot of stuff that CygnusZ mentioned. When the majority of japanese user reviews for a DQ game are 1 star, I'm pretty sure it's a sign of the apocalypse.
If anyone is interested, DQ9 on amazon.co.jp is receiving some scathing user reviews. I can't read them, but apparently they're complaining about a lot of stuff that CygnusZ mentioned. When the majority of japanese user reviews for a DQ game are 1 star, I'm pretty sure it's a sign of the apocalypse.
2chan trolls.
In case you don't know, the people at 2chan once boycotted a manga when it was revealed that a female character had once had a boyfriend.
If anyone is interested, DQ9 on amazon.co.jp is receiving some scathing user reviews. I can't read them, but apparently they're complaining about a lot of stuff that CygnusZ mentioned. When the majority of japanese user reviews for a DQ game are 1 star, I'm pretty sure it's a sign of the apocalypse.
The same thing happened with FFXII being considered too different from other mainline FF games and getting bombarded with 1-stars.
Its just a bunch of people trolling that the game isn't in HD on a console and similar stuff. There are some valid complaints against it, but nothing to push it to 1 star.
If you look, some of those 1 star reviews are from before the game even released.
Japan really isn't so different from us after all. Their trolls are just as pathetic as the rest of the world. I didn't actually look at all the reviews to see dates or anything because I can't read them. I just heard about it and went to check for myself. Luckily my purchase of DQ9 shall not be swayed by real complaints or troll complaints, because my need for more slimes cannot be deterred. I do wish teammates had a personality though.
Japan really isn't so different from us after all. Their trolls are just as pathetic as the rest of the world. I didn't actually look at all the reviews to see dates or anything because I can't read them. I just heard about it and went to check for myself. Luckily my purchase of DQ9 shall not be swayed by real complaints or troll complaints, because my need for more slimes cannot be deterred. I do wish teammates had a personality though.
They really aren't. I remember when the FFXIII demo livestreams were going on, and people were comparing the comments on the U.S. and Japanese pages. Pretty much the same kind of immature comments on both sides apparently.
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Japan really isn't so different from us after all. Their trolls are just as pathetic as the rest of the world. I didn't actually look at all the reviews to see dates or anything because I can't read them. I just heard about it and went to check for myself. Luckily my purchase of DQ9 shall not be swayed by real complaints or troll complaints, because my need for more slimes cannot be deterred. I do wish teammates had a personality though.
2ch's pretty special in their level of stupidity. Imagine 4chan's /b/ only a few million users strong. And even more fucked in the head.
I forget the anime studio, but it was one of the big original ones -- Gainax, maybe? (Edit: Yeah.) One of the founders said that going on 2ch was like “putting [his] face next to an anus and breathing deeply." (He's right, btw.)
The resulting backlash cost him his *job*. This would be like George Lucas making fun of the IMDB discussion boards and the resulting backlash forcing him into retirement. Freaking insane.
Japan really isn't so different from us after all. Their trolls are just as pathetic as the rest of the world. I didn't actually look at all the reviews to see dates or anything because I can't read them. I just heard about it and went to check for myself. Luckily my purchase of DQ9 shall not be swayed by real complaints or troll complaints, because my need for more slimes cannot be deterred. I do wish teammates had a personality though.
2ch is not an monolothic organiziation. It's an anonymous message board, where people have basically no reason to show restraint in what they say. And plenty of games have recieved very positive initial reactions from 2ch as well. To me, FFXII was a major disappointment, and DQ9 is certainly a disappointing downgrade from DQ8. The sidekick IS annoying, and playing on a tiny screen for hours at a time is pretty crappy. The criticism levied at DQ9 is, whether you agree with it or not, for the most part completely fair.
I think most of you, especially those of you that mainly play games on the train to work, will enjoy DQ9. But we're not the marketing department for Squaresoft. Nobody here should really be trying to cover-up or dismiss the game's shortcomings.
I think most of you, especially those of you that mainly play games on the train to work, will enjoy DQ9. But we're not the marketing department for Squaresoft. Nobody here should really be trying to cover-up or dismiss the game's shortcomings.
But neither are we a cynical review board, tasked with over examining every flaw. And a shortcoming in your mind could very well be a strength in someone else's. Don't pretend that your opinions are fact (and I expect the rest of us won't either).
I was surprised when I heard that DQ 9 was hitting the DS, but I've had a lot of fun with handheld games, even playing at home. I played Final Fantasy Adventure to death when I was younger, neglecting my SNES for weeks at a time.
Like most games nowadays, I'll wait to hear a lot of opinions before I pick this up. On console games this usually translates to a savings in price, but handheld games don't seem to get cheaper unless they are awful. I just saw New SMB for $35 in the store, even after all this time.
I was surprised when I heard that DQ 9 was hitting the DS, but I've had a lot of fun with handheld games, even playing at home. I played Final Fantasy Adventure to death when I was younger, neglecting my SNES for weeks at a time.
Like most games nowadays, I'll wait to hear a lot of opinions before I pick this up. On console games this usually translates to a savings in price, but handheld games don't seem to get cheaper unless they are awful. I just saw New SMB for $35 in the store, even after all this time.
It's not that the price means that it's not as good (See games like Shiren The Wanderer, DQH: Rocket Slime, Trace Memory, ect all awesome games under 9.99) but that nintendo never lowers MSRP on their own games unless they bomb. Hell the store I work at is selling Pokemon emerald for 39.99 used. -_-
Handheld games often get cheaper, the problem is plenty of them become rare which may keep the price higher, and price drops aren't as apparent when they're already cheap to begin with.
The otaku there are by and large monolithic in their terrible, creepy opinions and anything they say can easily be instantly dismissed.
Basically in my observations of pure anonymous posting, there always tends to form a hive mind. Any dissenting opinions fade away until you have a universal focus on a single opinion and any difference is targeted and destroyed.
Actually, if anything the more recent threads have become a bit more positive.
I'm not surprised they've become more positive.
All that negative feedback came awfully quick in my mind. So quick that it leads me to two possible conclusions.
1. This was in fact some kind of concentrated effort by people who were pissed off that DQ9 had actually been released on the DS, (which wouldn't surprised me)
Or
2. That these were people who went into the game expecting, no,WANTING to hate it. They played just long enough and with just the right kind of blinders on to confirm all the conclusions they had already made, then put down there reviews, smug in knowing that they were right, and all those plebians who held out hope were wrong.
Plus we have to remember, several of those Amazon reviews were made BEFORE the game was actually released. All of this adds up to suspicion.
Please note CygnusZ that we're not saying the game doesn't have some legitimate complaints. Just that it isn't utter shit like some of the trolls are acting like.
Sandy fairy is obnoxious/awful
Menus are slow
No Party Talk
Funky Job System mechanics
Feels like it was almost meant to be played multiplayer in some parts, which can take away from the single player experience
Actually, if anything the more recent threads have become a bit more positive.
I'm not surprised they've become more positive.
All that negative feedback came awfully quick in my mind. So quick that it leads me to two possible conclusions.
1. This was in fact some kind of concentrated effort by people who were pissed off that DQ9 had actually been released on the DS, (which wouldn't surprised me)
Or
2. That these were people who went into the game expecting, no,WANTING to hate it. They played just long enough and with just the right kind of blinders on to confirm all the conclusions they had already made, then put down there reviews, smug in knowing that they were right, and all those plebians who held out hope were wrong.
Plus we have to remember, several of those Amazon reviews were made BEFORE the game was actually released. All of this adds up to suspicion.
There is some truth to what you're saying. Certainly those type of people exist, and do write reviews. Allow me to dictate to you the MUCH more plausable third scenario:
3. The advertising campaign for Dragon Quest IX began over two years ago. From the early stages of the game development, the superstar band SMAP (basically the Beatles of Japan, in terms of popularity) has been carted around from event to event by Square-Enix declaring at every turn how much they love the game. About six months prior to the release of the game, ads started appearing in convenience stores. Then, two months before the promised release date, the release of the game was delayed for two full months. And don't think it was only "greasy otakus with no life" that knew about this release date, it was plastered all over the place.
Dragon Quest has a very good reputation. It is known as the 国民的RPG (The RPG of the People). Most people who identify as gamers have played every single installment of the series, and for the most part the series is considered to be the standard to which all other RPGs aspire to. For all the bad-mouthing of DQ7, it is generally considered to be a far above-average game. And I'm going to say that this probably applies to DQ9 as well.
But with the legacy of the series, the relentless advertising campaign, the long development cycle and the cancelled release date, the amount of hype generated for this game grew so tremendous that there was no way it could have lived up to people's expectations. When a game with a history like this has... well, obvious flaws (no wi-fi, no casino, lifeless companions), at least gamers are naturally going to become harsh critics.
Maybe many of you think that hype just makes a game all the better when released. To me though, all it does is lay the groundwork for a lot of people to become very disappointed. Halo 1 was such a huge success because it came out of nowhere and was a great game. Halo 2 and 3 are regarded as a disappointment, despite high sales, because of the unhealthy hype surrounding their release. Hype over DQIX in Japan was even higher than hype for Halo was in the US.
Sandy fairy is obnoxious/awful
Menus are slow
No Party Talk
Funky Job System mechanics
Feels like it was almost meant to be played multiplayer in some parts, which can take away from the single player experience
Are the main complaints I'm seeing.
To add a few:
1) You can't change the order of your party without going back to Ruida's.
2) Companions are hollow. If inconvinent to the story, they suddenly disappear.
3) Only local multiplayer.
4) Game is extremely easy.
I'm definitely miffed about the whole lack of wi-fi thing. Highlighting multiplayer and then making it effectively not exist for a large percentage of players sucks.
To be fair, the fact that everybody and their mother will likely have DQIX by the end of the year in Japan probably removes that problem for Japanese players.
Apparently the main storyline later on and every single treasure map dungeon are much harder than the beginning. One tester said its the hardest DQ game since II, which is a bold statement indeed.
There's another big complaint: the game only has a single save slot. Good luck with that in families with more than one child.
That's capitalism at work.
How dare they attempt to make money on their work! Capitalist swine!
There's an interview floating around (Edit: found) where someone from the dev team stated that they went with only a single save slot because of how limited space on the DS cartridge was for what they wanted to do. They opted for more game content rather than more save slots.
Edit: Looks like it has more to do with the size of each save slot due to the amount of freedom given to the player, and the decision to go with an auto-backup rather than a second usable slot.
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There's another big complaint: the game only has a single save slot. Good luck with that in families with more than one child.
Yeah, that's pretty awful. A portable game that only has one save slot could never win people's hearts or sell well.
Just so that I know, are you referencing Pokemon or TWEWY?
Pokemon....none of the pokemon games have had more than one save slot, and by the billions of copies sold over the course of four generations, I'm thinking that it's not a problem to the consumer. If more than one person in the household wants to play it, they just buy multiple copies.
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Nah, DQ7 hit quadruple platinum in Japan alone:
http://psx.ign.com/articles/093/093217p1.html
It's the highest selling JRPG yet in Japan. Closest FF game was FF8 at like 3.08 (3.8?) million, none of the FFs have come close since.
(Second highest JRPG was Dragon Quest 3 way back in 1988, which sold 3.8 million. That's the game that caused the "No Dragon Quest Sales during the Work Week" thing in Japan.)
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2chan trolls.
In case you don't know, the people at 2chan once boycotted a manga when it was revealed that a female character had once had a boyfriend.
The same thing happened with FFXII being considered too different from other mainline FF games and getting bombarded with 1-stars.
Its just a bunch of people trolling that the game isn't in HD on a console and similar stuff. There are some valid complaints against it, but nothing to push it to 1 star.
If you look, some of those 1 star reviews are from before the game even released.
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It's basically nerd rage about it being on the DS.
They really aren't. I remember when the FFXIII demo livestreams were going on, and people were comparing the comments on the U.S. and Japanese pages. Pretty much the same kind of immature comments on both sides apparently.
I've changed my Avatar/Title due to my current state of hype :P
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2ch's pretty special in their level of stupidity. Imagine 4chan's /b/ only a few million users strong. And even more fucked in the head.
I forget the anime studio, but it was one of the big original ones -- Gainax, maybe? (Edit: Yeah.) One of the founders said that going on 2ch was like “putting [his] face next to an anus and breathing deeply." (He's right, btw.)
The resulting backlash cost him his *job*. This would be like George Lucas making fun of the IMDB discussion boards and the resulting backlash forcing him into retirement. Freaking insane.
2ch is not an monolothic organiziation. It's an anonymous message board, where people have basically no reason to show restraint in what they say. And plenty of games have recieved very positive initial reactions from 2ch as well. To me, FFXII was a major disappointment, and DQ9 is certainly a disappointing downgrade from DQ8. The sidekick IS annoying, and playing on a tiny screen for hours at a time is pretty crappy. The criticism levied at DQ9 is, whether you agree with it or not, for the most part completely fair.
I think most of you, especially those of you that mainly play games on the train to work, will enjoy DQ9. But we're not the marketing department for Squaresoft. Nobody here should really be trying to cover-up or dismiss the game's shortcomings.
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I was surprised when I heard that DQ 9 was hitting the DS, but I've had a lot of fun with handheld games, even playing at home. I played Final Fantasy Adventure to death when I was younger, neglecting my SNES for weeks at a time.
Like most games nowadays, I'll wait to hear a lot of opinions before I pick this up. On console games this usually translates to a savings in price, but handheld games don't seem to get cheaper unless they are awful. I just saw New SMB for $35 in the store, even after all this time.
It's not that the price means that it's not as good (See games like Shiren The Wanderer, DQH: Rocket Slime, Trace Memory, ect all awesome games under 9.99) but that nintendo never lowers MSRP on their own games unless they bomb. Hell the store I work at is selling Pokemon emerald for 39.99 used. -_-
Handheld games often get cheaper, the problem is plenty of them become rare which may keep the price higher, and price drops aren't as apparent when they're already cheap to begin with.
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The otaku there are by and large monolithic in their terrible, creepy opinions and anything they say can easily be instantly dismissed.
Basically in my observations of pure anonymous posting, there always tends to form a hive mind. Any dissenting opinions fade away until you have a universal focus on a single opinion and any difference is targeted and destroyed.
So yes, 2ch is a monolithic organization.
http://schiphol.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ff/1247574804/
Actually, if anything the more recent threads have become a bit more positive.
I'm not surprised they've become more positive.
All that negative feedback came awfully quick in my mind. So quick that it leads me to two possible conclusions.
1. This was in fact some kind of concentrated effort by people who were pissed off that DQ9 had actually been released on the DS, (which wouldn't surprised me)
Or
2. That these were people who went into the game expecting, no,WANTING to hate it. They played just long enough and with just the right kind of blinders on to confirm all the conclusions they had already made, then put down there reviews, smug in knowing that they were right, and all those plebians who held out hope were wrong.
Plus we have to remember, several of those Amazon reviews were made BEFORE the game was actually released. All of this adds up to suspicion.
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Menus are slow
No Party Talk
Funky Job System mechanics
Feels like it was almost meant to be played multiplayer in some parts, which can take away from the single player experience
Are the main complaints I'm seeing.
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There is some truth to what you're saying. Certainly those type of people exist, and do write reviews. Allow me to dictate to you the MUCH more plausable third scenario:
3. The advertising campaign for Dragon Quest IX began over two years ago. From the early stages of the game development, the superstar band SMAP (basically the Beatles of Japan, in terms of popularity) has been carted around from event to event by Square-Enix declaring at every turn how much they love the game. About six months prior to the release of the game, ads started appearing in convenience stores. Then, two months before the promised release date, the release of the game was delayed for two full months. And don't think it was only "greasy otakus with no life" that knew about this release date, it was plastered all over the place.
Dragon Quest has a very good reputation. It is known as the 国民的RPG (The RPG of the People). Most people who identify as gamers have played every single installment of the series, and for the most part the series is considered to be the standard to which all other RPGs aspire to. For all the bad-mouthing of DQ7, it is generally considered to be a far above-average game. And I'm going to say that this probably applies to DQ9 as well.
But with the legacy of the series, the relentless advertising campaign, the long development cycle and the cancelled release date, the amount of hype generated for this game grew so tremendous that there was no way it could have lived up to people's expectations. When a game with a history like this has... well, obvious flaws (no wi-fi, no casino, lifeless companions), at least gamers are naturally going to become harsh critics.
Maybe many of you think that hype just makes a game all the better when released. To me though, all it does is lay the groundwork for a lot of people to become very disappointed. Halo 1 was such a huge success because it came out of nowhere and was a great game. Halo 2 and 3 are regarded as a disappointment, despite high sales, because of the unhealthy hype surrounding their release. Hype over DQIX in Japan was even higher than hype for Halo was in the US.
To add a few:
2) Companions are hollow. If inconvinent to the story, they suddenly disappear.
3) Only local multiplayer.
4) Game is extremely easy.
I'm wondering if people's desires for a more traditional DQ game after 9 will boost sales of 6 when it finally gets released on DS.
I'm definitely miffed about the whole lack of wi-fi thing. Highlighting multiplayer and then making it effectively not exist for a large percentage of players sucks.
It may not be a huge issue for sales, but it's still fucking stupid.
That's capitalism at work.
http://www.woodus.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14587
How dare they attempt to make money on their work! Capitalist swine!
There's an interview floating around (Edit: found) where someone from the dev team stated that they went with only a single save slot because of how limited space on the DS cartridge was for what they wanted to do. They opted for more game content rather than more save slots.
Edit: Looks like it has more to do with the size of each save slot due to the amount of freedom given to the player, and the decision to go with an auto-backup rather than a second usable slot.
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Pokemon....none of the pokemon games have had more than one save slot, and by the billions of copies sold over the course of four generations, I'm thinking that it's not a problem to the consumer. If more than one person in the household wants to play it, they just buy multiple copies.
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Too bad the DQ6 cosplay doesn't look that hot. Cool nonetheless.