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To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
If you think about it, poking a peehole with a wiener doesn't have any grand aesthetic appeal either.
I don't think those studies take into account the choice that you do have, which is to supress your 'natural' instincts and conform to what society expects of you. So the numbers could be more compelling There are people who make the choice to 'be attracted' to the opposite sex because they don't want the stigma or don't want to admit it. A gay man who gets married and has kids is still deep down a gay man, he's just made the choice to appear as what society defines as normal.
Until your ecstasy dealing prostitute rats on you to the press and you lose your mega-church and everything.
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
Why would someone who thinks it is disgusting do it? I don't know, maybe they get sexual satisfaction from it. You can still take pleasure from something that revolts and/or disgusts you. Because a large group of people feel or think one way and a small group of people feel another way doesn't make the small groups's thoughts, feelings, and opinions and less real or meaningful.
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
What.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
If you think about it, poking a peehole with a wiener doesn't have any grand aesthetic appeal either.
Look, just because you'll be a virgin forever doesn't mean you have to ruin potential sex for the rest of us.
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherently born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
There's your problem. We're not. Also, could you be alittle less offensive with your analogies?
I think I understand what he's trying to get at here.
If everyone is "straight" by default, and has to make the choice to be gay, and gay sex is disgusting to straight people, then why would anyone make that choice?
They wouldn't, therefore, homosexuals must be different at a fundamental level, rather than straight people simply deciding "Hey, maybe I'll try this thing that kinda grosses me out". I think he's trying to imply what we're all saying, that it's *not* a choice, and that gay people are naturally attracted to the same sex, and not "grossed out" by it.
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
Not all of us are disgusted by activities that we don't take part in.
For example, I don't find the thought of having unprotected premarital sex disgusting, but I chose not to do so because I didn't want to have kids.
Here's another, related question. Would you be disgusted by scenes from Brokeback Mountain just because it was about two men that fell in love? Or could you watch it and appreciate the love story?
Change the cowboys out with lesbian cheerleaders and you've got a deal.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
If you think about it, poking a peehole with a wiener doesn't have any grand aesthetic appeal either.
Seriously. Hetero sex is downright nasty too. I mean, I enjoy it like nobody's business, and I go out of my way to participate whenever possible....but seriously. I really don't even enjoy porn that shows intercourse....
Yes, I realize somebody will be by to confiscate my Man Card later this afternoon.
Porn just looks so.... uncomfortable to me. I can't help but think "Aren't they getting cramps?"
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If you think about it, poking a peehole with a wiener doesn't have any grand aesthetic appeal either.
Seriously. Hetero sex is downright nasty too. I mean, I enjoy it like nobody's business, and I go out of my way to participate whenever possible....but seriously. I really don't even enjoy porn that shows intercourse....
Yes, I realize somebody will be by to confiscate my Man Card later this afternoon.
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherently born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
There's your problem. We're not. Also, could you be alittle less offensive with your analogies?
I think I understand what he's trying to get at here.
If everyone is "straight" by default, and has to make the choice to be gay, and gay sex is disgusting to straight people, then why would anyone make that choice?
They wouldn't, therefore, homosexuals must be different at a fundamental level, rather than straight people simply deciding "Hey, maybe I'll try this thing that kinda grosses me out". I think he's trying to imply what we're all saying, that it's *not* a choice, and that gay people are naturally attracted to the same sex, and not "grossed out" by it.
I think you're giving him too much credit here. If he understood that gay folks weren't torturing themselves by having sex, why would he have worded the OP in such an "I hate gays, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" sort of way?
It sounds like he's genuinely confused as to why perfectly good straight people would choose to be disgusting.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I'm getting here.
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
Not all of us are disgusted by activities that we don't take part in.
For example, I don't find the thought of having unprotected premarital sex disgusting, but I chose not to do so because I didn't want to have kids.
Here's another, related question. Would you be disgusted by scenes from Brokeback Mountain just because it was about two men that fell in love? Or could you watch it and appreciate the love story?
Brokeback Mountain offends me because it's a mediocre romance movie about two guys that fuck up the lives of the people they supposedly love, rather than just a good love story. If it weren't for the gay aspect, it wouldn't have gotten any of the buzz it did.
If you think about it, poking a peehole with a wiener doesn't have any grand aesthetic appeal either.
Seriously. Hetero sex is downright nasty too. I mean, I enjoy it like nobody's business, and I go out of my way to participate whenever possible....but seriously. I really don't even enjoy porn that shows intercourse....
Yes, I realize somebody will be by to confiscate my Man Card later this afternoon.
Porn just looks so.... uncomfortable to me. I can't help but think "Aren't they getting cramps?"
I just wonder what they talk about afterwards. 'Oh yeah, my boyfriend and I are celebrating our anniversary tonight. No, we're probably not gonnna have sex... 'cause well, y'know.'
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
Not all of us are disgusted by activities that we don't take part in.
For example, I don't find the thought of having unprotected premarital sex disgusting, but I chose not to do so because I didn't want to have kids.
Here's another, related question. Would you be disgusted by scenes from Brokeback Mountain just because it was about two men that fell in love? Or could you watch it and appreciate the love story?
Brokeback Mountain offends me because it's a mediocre romance movie about two guys that fuck up the lives of the people they supposedly love, rather than just a good love story. If it weren't for the gay aspect, it wouldn't have gotten any of the buzz it did.
The whole point of the movie is that they fuck up their lives for each other, only to fuck that up too!
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
Not all of us are disgusted by activities that we don't take part in.
For example, I don't find the thought of having unprotected premarital sex disgusting, but I chose not to do so because I didn't want to have kids.
Here's another, related question. Would you be disgusted by scenes from Brokeback Mountain just because it was about two men that fell in love? Or could you watch it and appreciate the love story?
Change the cowboys out with lesbian cheerleaders and you've got a deal.
But I'm A Cheerleader was a pretty entertaining movie, come to think of it.
lol you all come up with extra conclusions to what im saying. im saying its not a choice, im not saying i hate gays and think they are disgusting, im trying to compare it to somthing you can understand. because i had to say it twice, this is more obvious. but w/e since you all agree with me, for the most part, im satisfied. although i didnt see any of the other side of the argument, for learning purposes, but whatever what can i do, it seems there are alot of smart people on here capable of thinking for themselves. too bad some are politically correct and easily offended
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
To me, the thought of sex with a man is disgusting, so why would you simply choose to do this?
That's like asking heterosexual women this question. Do you see where it is stupid?
obviously you dont understand let me explain with more detail.
if YOU think somthing is disgusting, why would YOU do it. and YOU applys to EVERYONE. its an example. People dont eat shit, its disgusting, why would they do it for pleasure if its not appealing to them?
same with the choice to be gay, if we are all inherntly born straight, then that would mean we all think sex with a man is disgusting, and there wouldnt be too many gays out there.
Not all of us are disgusted by activities that we don't take part in.
For example, I don't find the thought of having unprotected premarital sex disgusting, but I chose not to do so because I didn't want to have kids.
Here's another, related question. Would you be disgusted by scenes from Brokeback Mountain just because it was about two men that fell in love? Or could you watch it and appreciate the love story?
Change the cowboys out with lesbian cheerleaders and you've got a deal.
But I'm A Cheerleader was a pretty entertaining movie, come to think of it.
lol you all come up with extra conclusions to what im saying. im saying its not a choice, im not saying i hate gays and think they are disgusting, im trying to compare it to somthing you can understand. because i had to say it twice, this is more obvious. but w/e since you all agree with me, for the most part, im satisfied. although i didnt see any of the other side of the argument, for learning purposes, but whatever what can i do, it seems there are alot of smart people on here capable of thinking for themselves. too bad some are politically correct and easily offended
Kind of an odd way to go about it, but I'm pretty sure we all understand that gays have sex, too. You didn't have to compare it to eating shit sandwiches though.
Also, most people can grasp the difference between biological imperative and choice. The concepts aren't exactly staggeringly complex.
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Irond WillWARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!Cambridge. MAModeratorMod Emeritus
I think you're giving him too much credit here. If he understood that gay folks weren't torturing themselves by having sex, why would he have worded the OP in such an "I hate gays, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" sort of way?
It sounds like he's genuinely confused as to why perfectly good straight people would choose to be disgusting.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I'm getting here.
I read it as him trying to establish his hetero bona-fides by sneering at homos before talking about gayness. I probably would have done the same sort of thing when I was 14 too.
lol you all come up with extra conclusions to what im saying. im saying its not a choice, im not saying i hate gays and think they are disgusting, im trying to compare it to somthing you can understand.
O_o
I can understand what gay sex is/means on its own just fine. I can't exactly understand how eating shit is in any way a parallel to it, though.
There are quite a few cultures in which same-sex activity is accepted, considered normal, or is even involved in rites of passage. The visceral revulsion some straight men experience when thinking of gay sex seems to have a cultural component.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Having had a "phase" of sexual attraction to males, and some experience, I actually found that I never really "wanted" a guy in the way I do with women, I just enjoyed the sexual aspects.
For instance, seeing an attractive man's face/body never got me excited, although with women, it definitely did.
It was really just about sex with men, and I've never figured out quite why that was.
whoa whoa whoa
i can look at a guy and know if I'd bone him or not and I am straight as an arrow
I dunno man honestly I got checked for appendicitis one time when I was like 17. It involved getting a finger up the poopchute and it totally brought tears to my eyes and I can't imagine enjoying something that physcially made me feel like that.
I knew a gay kid in college who'd never done what he called "the big one" and was really scared about it. I kind of lost touch with him after a little while so I never got to hear if it was as horrible as he feared or if it turned out okay for him.
whoa whoa whoa
i can look at a guy and know if I'd bone him or not and I am straight as an arrow
I dunno man honestly I got checked for appendicitis one time when I was like 17. It involved getting a finger up the poopchute and it totally brought tears to my eyes and I can't imagine enjoying something that physcially made me feel like that.
I knew a gay kid in college who'd never done what he called "the big one" and was really scared about it. I kind of lost touch with him after a little while so I never got to hear if it was as horrible as he feared or if it turned out okay for him.
I dunno man honestly I got checked for appendicitis one time when I was like 17. It involved getting a finger up the poopchute and it totally brought tears to my eyes and I can't imagine enjoying something that physcially made me feel like that.
whoa whoa whoa
i can look at a guy and know if I'd bone him or not and I am straight as an arrow
I dunno man honestly I got checked for appendicitis one time when I was like 17. It involved getting a finger up the poopchute and it totally brought tears to my eyes and I can't imagine enjoying something that physcially made me feel like that.
I knew a gay kid in college who'd never done what he called "the big one" and was really scared about it. I kind of lost touch with him after a little while so I never got to hear if it was as horrible as he feared or if it turned out okay for him.
That's what amyl nitrate is for. Just kidding... Or am I?
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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whoa whoa whoa
i can look at a guy and know if I'd bone him or not and I am straight as an arrow
I dunno man honestly I got checked for appendicitis one time when I was like 17. It involved getting a finger up the poopchute and it totally brought tears to my eyes and I can't imagine enjoying something that physcially made me feel like that.
I knew a gay kid in college who'd never done what he called "the big one" and was really scared about it. I kind of lost touch with him after a little while so I never got to hear if it was as horrible as he feared or if it turned out okay for him.
I dunno, my wife seems to like it just fine.
Yeah - I've dated a few girls who said they were okay with it too, but I never could bring myself to go through with it.
whoa whoa whoa
i can look at a guy and know if I'd bone him or not and I am straight as an arrow
I dunno man honestly I got checked for appendicitis one time when I was like 17. It involved getting a finger up the poopchute and it totally brought tears to my eyes and I can't imagine enjoying something that physcially made me feel like that.
I knew a gay kid in college who'd never done what he called "the big one" and was really scared about it. I kind of lost touch with him after a little while so I never got to hear if it was as horrible as he feared or if it turned out okay for him.
It's all biology and what you body likes. I mean, we don't ostracize women that like to take it up to pooper, right? Same thing, just with gays the receiver moans in a deeper voice than in an anal-sexing straight couple.
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If you think about it, poking a peehole with a wiener doesn't have any grand aesthetic appeal either.
Until your ecstasy dealing prostitute rats on you to the press and you lose your mega-church and everything.
Why would someone who thinks it is disgusting do it? I don't know, maybe they get sexual satisfaction from it. You can still take pleasure from something that revolts and/or disgusts you. Because a large group of people feel or think one way and a small group of people feel another way doesn't make the small groups's thoughts, feelings, and opinions and less real or meaningful.
What.
Look, just because you'll be a virgin forever doesn't mean you have to ruin potential sex for the rest of us.
Alternateively:
However, hands are just damn sexy.
That's a pretty big if.
I think I understand what he's trying to get at here.
If everyone is "straight" by default, and has to make the choice to be gay, and gay sex is disgusting to straight people, then why would anyone make that choice?
They wouldn't, therefore, homosexuals must be different at a fundamental level, rather than straight people simply deciding "Hey, maybe I'll try this thing that kinda grosses me out". I think he's trying to imply what we're all saying, that it's *not* a choice, and that gay people are naturally attracted to the same sex, and not "grossed out" by it.
Change the cowboys out with lesbian cheerleaders and you've got a deal.
Porn just looks so.... uncomfortable to me. I can't help but think "Aren't they getting cramps?"
I think you're giving him too much credit here. If he understood that gay folks weren't torturing themselves by having sex, why would he have worded the OP in such an "I hate gays, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" sort of way?
It sounds like he's genuinely confused as to why perfectly good straight people would choose to be disgusting.
I hope I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I'm getting here.
Brokeback Mountain offends me because it's a mediocre romance movie about two guys that fuck up the lives of the people they supposedly love, rather than just a good love story. If it weren't for the gay aspect, it wouldn't have gotten any of the buzz it did.
I just wonder what they talk about afterwards. 'Oh yeah, my boyfriend and I are celebrating our anniversary tonight. No, we're probably not gonnna have sex... 'cause well, y'know.'
The whole point of the movie is that they fuck up their lives for each other, only to fuck that up too!
But I'm A Cheerleader was a pretty entertaining movie, come to think of it.
It's pretty hilarious.
Kind of an odd way to go about it, but I'm pretty sure we all understand that gays have sex, too. You didn't have to compare it to eating shit sandwiches though.
Also, most people can grasp the difference between biological imperative and choice. The concepts aren't exactly staggeringly complex.
I read it as him trying to establish his hetero bona-fides by sneering at homos before talking about gayness. I probably would have done the same sort of thing when I was 14 too.
O_o
I can understand what gay sex is/means on its own just fine. I can't exactly understand how eating shit is in any way a parallel to it, though.
Prove it.
i can look at a guy and know if I'd bone him or not and I am straight as an arrow
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I think that's true of most guys. Or at least the ones who are secure in their sexuality.
Meh. Johnny Depp is overrated.
Michael Shanks on the other hand...
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Johnny Depp is a tramp.
Oh, Ewan...
Edit: So is this the Man Candy thread now?
and brad pitt
*siiiiighh*
For instance, seeing an attractive man's face/body never got me excited, although with women, it definitely did.
It was really just about sex with men, and I've never figured out quite why that was.
Ah well.
He's not the only one that can pull off the gentleman look, though. It's not all pirates and plunderin' for Depp.
Not that the Jedi isn't sexy.
I knew a gay kid in college who'd never done what he called "the big one" and was really scared about it. I kind of lost touch with him after a little while so I never got to hear if it was as horrible as he feared or if it turned out okay for him.
I dunno, my wife seems to like it just fine.
Did the Doctor give you a reach-around?
That's what amyl nitrate is for.
Just kidding...
Or am I?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
It's all biology and what you body likes. I mean, we don't ostracize women that like to take it up to pooper, right? Same thing, just with gays the receiver moans in a deeper voice than in an anal-sexing straight couple.