I've always wanted to see a Captain Nazi story, with him cast in a sympathetic light, rather than as a sneering mass-murderer. When you think about it, the dude's kind of got a tragic life.
He's like Captain America; he grew up believing certain things, became empowered and decided to use his abilities to help his country, and then decades later comes back to find a different world. Worse, everyone who seriously believes in white supremacy and the master race are now buck-toothed cousin-fuckers. He's the hero of a country that despises everything he stands for, and the symbol of an ideology that is upheld only by society's dumbest members. That's gotta be rough.
I'd like to see Captain Nazi try and reform, realising that the ideals of Nazism are so hated in the modern world that he can no longer try to tell himself they are right, and see him try to fight past what is really indoctrination from a very young age.
If you woke up tomorrow and found yourself in a world that really hated the Sentry, would you join them? And if you did jump on that bandwagon, would you respect yourself? Would anyone else?
This is slightly different from simply liking a character though, isn't it. This would be a man waking up to find that his entire ideology and life view had been defeated and destroyed and making the decision to try to move past that and do the right thing. Maybe a Nazi superhero genuinely believed that he was a good guy trying to help his people, and has found that in the modern period he has to choose between being a Nazi and being a hero, and chooses being a hero. How would that hero be treated, by the public, by other heroes, how would he feel about his past actions?
I've always wanted to see a Captain Nazi story, with him cast in a sympathetic light, rather than as a sneering mass-murderer. When you think about it, the dude's kind of got a tragic life.
He's like Captain America; he grew up believing certain things, became empowered and decided to use his abilities to help his country, and then decades later comes back to find a different world. Worse, everyone who seriously believes in white supremacy and the master race are now buck-toothed cousin-fuckers. He's the hero of a country that despises everything he stands for, and the symbol of an ideology that is upheld only by society's dumbest members. That's gotta be rough.
I'd like to see Captain Nazi try and reform, realising that the ideals of Nazism are so hated in the modern world that he can no longer try to tell himself they are right, and see him try to fight past what is really indoctrination from a very young age.
If you woke up tomorrow and found yourself in a world that really hated the Sentry, would you join them? And if you did jump on that bandwagon, would you respect yourself? Would anyone else?
This is slightly different from simply liking a character though, isn't it. This would be a man waking up to find that his entire ideology and life view had been defeated and destroyed and making the decision to try to move past that and do the right thing. Maybe a Nazi superhero genuinely believed that he was a good guy trying to help his people, and has found that in the modern period he has to choose between being a Nazi and being a hero, and chooses being a hero. How would that hero be treated, by the public, by other heroes, how would he feel about his past actions?
Damn you Solar... you've got me thinking about this a lot. I can imagine that, at the end of World War 2, Nazi scientists preserve Captain Nazi in a zero-time capsule in an attempt to save their national hero from the Allied forces. The capsule unlocks in the modern age, and he emerges, only to find that the very concept of him is deemed illegal by the German government. I can imagine him trying to be heroic (e.g. preventing muggings), only to find that the victims recoil in reversion from him because of what he stands for. He is exiled from his country, and finds that the only place that will evenly remotely grant him sanctuary is America, because of it will permit any free speech. It'd be interesting to see the ACLU argue that he should be granted asylum. Then there would be accusations that he is a war criminal, and he has to deal with that. Though whether or not he went along with Hitler's Final Solution is questionable (probably not), he likely harbors a lot of racist thinking that he'll have to revisit.
I don't know if anyone would publish such an idea... Maybe Millar's CLiNT magazine, since it seems to be going for shock value.
Hm... Solar, would you mind if I wrote up a few pages of script for this?
I've always wanted to see a Captain Nazi story, with him cast in a sympathetic light, rather than as a sneering mass-murderer. When you think about it, the dude's kind of got a tragic life.
He's like Captain America; he grew up believing certain things, became empowered and decided to use his abilities to help his country, and then decades later comes back to find a different world. Worse, everyone who seriously believes in white supremacy and the master race are now buck-toothed cousin-fuckers. He's the hero of a country that despises everything he stands for, and the symbol of an ideology that is upheld only by society's dumbest members. That's gotta be rough.
I'd like to see Captain Nazi try and reform, realising that the ideals of Nazism are so hated in the modern world that he can no longer try to tell himself they are right, and see him try to fight past what is really indoctrination from a very young age.
If you woke up tomorrow and found yourself in a world that really hated the Sentry, would you join them? And if you did jump on that bandwagon, would you respect yourself? Would anyone else?
This is slightly different from simply liking a character though, isn't it. This would be a man waking up to find that his entire ideology and life view had been defeated and destroyed and making the decision to try to move past that and do the right thing. Maybe a Nazi superhero genuinely believed that he was a good guy trying to help his people, and has found that in the modern period he has to choose between being a Nazi and being a hero, and chooses being a hero. How would that hero be treated, by the public, by other heroes, how would he feel about his past actions?
Damn you Solar... you've got me thinking about this a lot. I can imagine that, at the end of World War 2, Nazi scientists preserve Captain Nazi in a zero-time capsule in an attempt to save their national hero from the Allied forces. The capsule unlocks in the modern age, and he emerges, only to find that the very concept of him is deemed illegal by the German government. I can imagine him trying to be heroic (e.g. preventing muggings), only to find that the victims recoil in reversion from him because of what he stands for. He is exiled from his country, and finds that the only place that will evenly remotely grant him sanctuary is America, because of it will permit any free speech. It'd be interesting to see the ACLU argue that he should be granted asylum. Then there would be accusations that he is a war criminal, and he has to deal with that. Though whether or not he went along with Hitler's Final Solution is questionable (probably not), he likely harbors a lot of racist thinking that he'll have to revisit.
I don't know if anyone would publish such an idea... Maybe Millar's CLiNT magazine, since it seems to be going for shock value.
Hm... Solar, would you mind if I wrote up a few pages of script for this?
No problem, I have a similar character in mind for the setting i'm currently writing stuff for.
You guys should fight, and have a team-up afterwards.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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I have a question about DC space stuff:
What is the current universal language? I know in the LoSH future it's Interlac and that's basically english (or was in Waid's version), but when the GLs have their rings do the translating what is the base language?
What is the current universal language? I know in the LoSH future it's Interlac and that's basically english (or was in Waid's version), but when the GLs have their rings do the translating what is the base language?
It translates into whatever language the Lantern speaks natively.
Interestingly enough the Book of Oa is written in Interlac.
I always assumed that when a ring is translating it's just turning a Green Lantern's language into whatever the person they're speaking to speaks, and vice versa, not that it's translating their speech into some universal language.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
But in regards to non-GLs and intergalactic trade, what do they speak? We're always told Earth is streets behind with the other planets in the galaxy.
There has to be something for these people to have as a universal language to trade Rann Pasta and Thanagarian oil. Like Adam Strange, did he land on Rann and they just speak english as a coincidence?
in a few stories Adam has some sort of translating gizmo built into his helmet and sometimes it gets broken and he can't understand his wife
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
Sounds like a relief then, huh? Huh?
That's interesting about Adam and his wife, I would have thought with the what, 10 years he's been with her, they didn't look into learning their respective languages.
Okay, so Dynamite has The Green Hornet, Green Hornet Year One, Kato, Kato Origins, The Green Hornet Strikes and what else?
which ones are related to another? wtf is with the last few pages of TGHS? I haven't read year one yet and TGH seems okay, but I dunno about these spin offs so far.
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I read issue 2 of Star Trek: Leonard McCoy outerspace cowboy doctor or whatever the fuck it is called.
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The 2nd to last page it looks like McCoy and Scottie is about to eat it so some aliens can be immortal or some shit. Like literally the last line is a veiled threat that guards are sneaking up behind them to bludgeon them to death because McCoy found the memory computer and figured the transporter deal out and the next panel? Why, it's Scottie reporting for duty on the enterprise refit! WTFFFF
I've liked all of Byrne's STAR TREK stuff so far - they're like lost episodes of the original show.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
The Dynamite Green Hornet stuff is I believe all based on Smith's script for the movie that he never did.
So Green Hornet is the actual script made comic, the Kato book is a flashback of Kato because of what happens in the Green Hornet comic, Green Hornet Strikes is a new character in the mantle, and Green Hornet Year One is just that.
So I have a question because I've just been looking through my bookshelf full of trades and forgot that I had the first Ultimate X-Men "Ultimate Collection"
How was that series generally received, modern day Millar-bashing aside? I remember pretty much enjoying it, but those were different times.
But in regards to non-GLs and intergalactic trade, what do they speak? We're always told Earth is streets behind with the other planets in the galaxy.
There has to be something for these people to have as a universal language to trade Rann Pasta and Thanagarian oil. Like Adam Strange, did he land on Rann and they just speak english as a coincidence?
DC's space uses a form of Interlac. The language that eventually becomes universal in Legion of Superheroes.
So I finished the core issues of Siege today, and felt that big chunks were missing, and that even bigger chunks were missing after following talk on this board for so long. There was supposed to be a secret big bad who was pulling strings and manipulating stuff for Osbourne the whole time. Who was it? Was it even revealed? Red herring of some sort?
It wasn't just the void, was it? Because that is a huge cop-out.
And what other major events happened in the other related Siege titles (the different avengers books etc.)?
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So I finished the core issues of Siege today, and felt that big chunks were missing, and that even bigger chunks were missing after following talk on this board for so long. There was supposed to be a secret big bad who was pulling strings and manipulating stuff for Osbourne the whole time. Who was it? Was it even revealed? Red herring of some sort?
It wasn't just the void, was it? Because that is a huge cop-out.
And what other major events happened in the other related Siege titles (the different avengers books etc.)?
It was Loki. He was manipulating him like crazy.
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So I have a question because I've just been looking through my bookshelf full of trades and forgot that I had the first Ultimate X-Men "Ultimate Collection"
How was that series generally received, modern day Millar-bashing aside? I remember pretty much enjoying it, but those were different times.
It isn't bad. Millar only got bad once he got famous and basically started doing whatever the fuck he wanted.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
That is good advice Robos.
Millar's Ultimate X-Men is hit and miss.
The first arc was good, the second was meh, the third was ruined by Bachalo's really incomprehensible art (this was during his Steampunk very cluttered phase), there were some nice downtime issues with Kaare Andrews as artist, and then the final Magneto story was good.
Then Vaughn was good, and we stop and close our eyes.
Fun fact, the UXM Ultimate Collection is what brought me back into comics. I'd just seen one of the X-Men movies, and learnt about the Essential Editions. So I thought "hey, wouldn't it be awesome to start reading X-Men from the beginning?"
Went to a comic store (bleugh awful!) and they didn't have the first Essential, but they did have the UXM Ultimate Collection. Sounded good, a reboot for the X-Men (I had no idea about the Ultimate stuff at this point) so I bought it.
Absolutely loved it, and I started branching out and picking up the other Ultimate books. Eventually, like all good gateway drugs, I got turned over into 616 Marvel. Good times... good times...
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited May 2010
Did the Ultimate Collection contain Ultimate War? I didn't think much of that, as you could skip all the way to issue #4 (where they actually fight), and not miss a beat.
Ultimate Collection was just a softcover version of the first hardcover, so no. One of the hardcovers does include Ultimate War, not sure which one.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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Oh, in the US Barnes & Noble made "Ultimate Collections" of Ultimate Spidey and X-Men that had roughly the first 36 issues in each collection (a pre-omnibus omnibus).
Does anyone know where the qualities of Mjolnir were originally defined?
I'm asking, because I recently learnt the actual wording on the hammer (along the lines of "he who holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the powers of... THOR!") and it's not what I expected. I thought it was going to be something about not being able to lift the hammer.
Just curious to read up about it and see where it was established that only the worthy could actually pick the hammer up.
I'm not sure, but I believe that the inability of the unworthy to lift Mjolnir is an extra enchantment that Odin placed upon the hammer (no idea when that was done though).
Other items that I have read suggest that it was something that Odin put on the hammer shortly after its creation - indeed, he used to use Mjolnir himself in the early days, apparently.
This isn't an argument in any shape or form, I'm asking a question about the history of Mjolnir. Seemed appropriate for the Questions thread, don't you think?
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Even though it will probably suck.
And wtf is he wearing the helmet.
Xavier is the most powerful and skilled Master of Telepathy.
But Xavier needs to remove the Helmet to use his Telepathy powers.
This is slightly different from simply liking a character though, isn't it. This would be a man waking up to find that his entire ideology and life view had been defeated and destroyed and making the decision to try to move past that and do the right thing. Maybe a Nazi superhero genuinely believed that he was a good guy trying to help his people, and has found that in the modern period he has to choose between being a Nazi and being a hero, and chooses being a hero. How would that hero be treated, by the public, by other heroes, how would he feel about his past actions?
Interesting stuff, I thought.
Errr... thanks?
Damn you Solar... you've got me thinking about this a lot. I can imagine that, at the end of World War 2, Nazi scientists preserve Captain Nazi in a zero-time capsule in an attempt to save their national hero from the Allied forces. The capsule unlocks in the modern age, and he emerges, only to find that the very concept of him is deemed illegal by the German government. I can imagine him trying to be heroic (e.g. preventing muggings), only to find that the victims recoil in reversion from him because of what he stands for. He is exiled from his country, and finds that the only place that will evenly remotely grant him sanctuary is America, because of it will permit any free speech. It'd be interesting to see the ACLU argue that he should be granted asylum. Then there would be accusations that he is a war criminal, and he has to deal with that. Though whether or not he went along with Hitler's Final Solution is questionable (probably not), he likely harbors a lot of racist thinking that he'll have to revisit.
I don't know if anyone would publish such an idea... Maybe Millar's CLiNT magazine, since it seems to be going for shock value.
Hm... Solar, would you mind if I wrote up a few pages of script for this?
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No problem, I have a similar character in mind for the setting i'm currently writing stuff for.
What is the current universal language? I know in the LoSH future it's Interlac and that's basically english (or was in Waid's version), but when the GLs have their rings do the translating what is the base language?
It translates into whatever language the Lantern speaks natively.
Interestingly enough the Book of Oa is written in Interlac.
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There has to be something for these people to have as a universal language to trade Rann Pasta and Thanagarian oil. Like Adam Strange, did he land on Rann and they just speak english as a coincidence?
That's interesting about Adam and his wife, I would have thought with the what, 10 years he's been with her, they didn't look into learning their respective languages.
Okay, so Dynamite has The Green Hornet, Green Hornet Year One, Kato, Kato Origins, The Green Hornet Strikes and what else?
which ones are related to another? wtf is with the last few pages of TGHS? I haven't read year one yet and TGH seems okay, but I dunno about these spin offs so far.
ALSO!
I read issue 2 of Star Trek: Leonard McCoy outerspace cowboy doctor or whatever the fuck it is called.
spoilers
So Green Hornet is the actual script made comic, the Kato book is a flashback of Kato because of what happens in the Green Hornet comic, Green Hornet Strikes is a new character in the mantle, and Green Hornet Year One is just that.
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How was that series generally received, modern day Millar-bashing aside? I remember pretty much enjoying it, but those were different times.
DC's space uses a form of Interlac. The language that eventually becomes universal in Legion of Superheroes.
It's also what the letters on the H dial are.
And what other major events happened in the other related Siege titles (the different avengers books etc.)?
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It isn't bad. Millar only got bad once he got famous and basically started doing whatever the fuck he wanted.
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Millar's Ultimate X-Men is hit and miss.
The first arc was good, the second was meh, the third was ruined by Bachalo's really incomprehensible art (this was during his Steampunk very cluttered phase), there were some nice downtime issues with Kaare Andrews as artist, and then the final Magneto story was good.
Then Vaughn was good, and we stop and close our eyes.
Fun fact, the UXM Ultimate Collection is what brought me back into comics. I'd just seen one of the X-Men movies, and learnt about the Essential Editions. So I thought "hey, wouldn't it be awesome to start reading X-Men from the beginning?"
Went to a comic store (bleugh awful!) and they didn't have the first Essential, but they did have the UXM Ultimate Collection. Sounded good, a reboot for the X-Men (I had no idea about the Ultimate stuff at this point) so I bought it.
Absolutely loved it, and I started branching out and picking up the other Ultimate books. Eventually, like all good gateway drugs, I got turned over into 616 Marvel. Good times... good times...
I'm talking about this.. It's just the first two trades.
I'm asking, because I recently learnt the actual wording on the hammer (along the lines of "he who holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the powers of... THOR!") and it's not what I expected. I thought it was going to be something about not being able to lift the hammer.
Just curious to read up about it and see where it was established that only the worthy could actually pick the hammer up.
That's not what it states at all! Gah!