If the Void hated Lindy and wanted her dead, how come he saved her from the Skrulls in the Secret Invasion Avengers tie-in?
The Void does, feels and desires whatever the Sentry does not. He saves Lindy because the Sentry ran away, at that point he was too afraid to return and wouldn't save his wife. But in Dark Reign Lindy was pretty much the only thing the Sentry cared about anymore, and so the Void hated her because she was the only thing which was stopping the Sentry basically giving up his fight with the Void (because really, if you don't care about anything else, why bother fighting your dark side?) In this case the Void wanted her dead, though even then he couldn't kill her personally, as the Sentry personality fought back.
That's the way I see it. Some would argue that it's just inconsistant writing, which was not an uncommon complaint when it came to the Sentry.
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But Antimatter this was all planned out years ago! And it was written by the same writer to boot!
This was never mentioned in Dark Avengers, or anywhere else?
edit: see Solar that's what got me, the not being able to kill her part like in Dark Avengers, but then again in Mighty Avengers it was Ultron who did it, and in Secret Invasion just go sit in Saturn for the whole event and don't come back.
I keep reading about these awesome things that happen in the cosmic corner of the Marvel Universe, and I keep meaning to get on top of that, but at this point I'm paralyzed by the amount of material, and my absolute lack of familiarity with it. There was "Annihilation", right? Then "Annihilation: Conquest"? Is that the next chronological story? What happens next? Like, there's all this Guardians of the Galaxy stuff, right? Anything else?
In short, if I wanted to get into cosmic Marvel, starting with Annihilation, what's the reading order?
What's the "current stuff"? The thing with Thanos?
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The Thanos stuff just started in the last month (and basically launched yesterday).
Before that there was "Realm of Kings", which was just a few issues of "that is a big effing hole in reality" and setting the groundwork for the Thanos Imperative.
I was a space rookie as well when I started Annihilation, but it was well worth the trip, because it is so good. The writers were able to get away with a lot of stuff because it wasn't the A-list characters being pussies on Earth.
Plus, a talking cosmonaut dog and a raccoon with a canon, how cool is that?
Right, which is currently just the one-shot. If you wanted to 'catch up' on a budget (and note - DnA and Giffen and the rest do a good job of making their stuff new reader friendly, so its not 100% necessary, but the stuff is well done), you could just pick up:
Original Annihilation series
Annihilation: Conquest
Annihilation: Conquest Starlord miniseries (because it is awesome)
first tpb of Guardians of the Galaxy (though the whole series has been fantastic)
first tpb of Nova (same reason, its a good series as well)
War of Kings tpb
I guess this is the right spot to be asking this. I am still new to comics with IDW's transformers being really the only thing I read although I keep eyeing up Walking Dead and a few other things. Anyway, I am interested in getting started with Deadpool but I really don't have a clue where to begin. Are there any TPB's or hardcovers people can recommend to me?
Thanks texiken and spookymuffin I'll give that a shot. I tend to stick to TPB's and HC's when possible so I may hold off on the ongoing for now but I'll keep an eye on it.
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Oh there is one more trade to pick up, Deadpool: Suicide Kings.
If you finish the first 3 Deadpool trades of the current series and like that, pick up that stand alone mini as well, it's more of the same (Marvel flooded the market with Deadpool stuff a year ago)
So I really dig that overload absurdity stuff, panels and pages that are just jam packed with stuff, huge set pieces and everything. I've read Hard Boiled and I know about Shaolin Cowboy and Big Guy and Rusty. I don't own any of those things yet. Is Shaolin Cowboy ever going to be finished? What happened to Darrow? I know he story boards for the Wachowskis, but does he have anything on the horizon?
Is there anyone with a similar absurd manic hyper-reality thing like that? I thought RyP was going to be, but I haven't seen anything of aside from Black Summer.
Is there anyone with a similar absurd manic hyper-reality thing like that? I thought RyP was going to be, but I haven't seen anything of aside from Black Summer.
I imagine you've probably read most of this stuff, but in case you missed any of it: Iron Man/Fantastic Four Big in Japan, Batman: Snow, Flash: Time Flies, and Green Lantern: Willworld are some of the best things the late Seth Fisher ever illustrated.
Brandon Graham's Escalator, Pillowfight are two of his less notable, but still well-drawn comics.
Omega the Unknown, with art by Farel Dalrymple, would probably appeal to you, though I found the story a little dry.
If you can track down Marvel's short-lived recent anthology Astonishing Tales, Nick Pitarra's style's very much in the vein of Seth Fisher's. Also? Heck of a nice dude. He offered to send me a free sketch after I made mention of how much I enjoyed his work here.
You may also enjoy 24Seven, which is an anthology about robots, with some really amazing talent attached. You can see the full list of creators in the Amazon preview. On that same note, you might try the Meathaus anthologies, if you can find them. They're more quirky/indie stuff, but Dash Shaw, Becky Cloonan, James Jean, and the aforementioned Dalrymple and Graham were all involved with it.
Of all the Deadpool stories I've read (and I've read all of every Deadpool ongoing, limited series, and one-shot, barring Deadpool Corps, which is not even remotely to my liking), I think Cable and Deadpool is the very best one. I think it has the best characterization of Deadpool, the best humor, and the most consistently high quality - the first Deadpool ongoing had some great moments, but was pretty uneven overall. C&D also uses pre-Daniel Way Deadpool, which means no multiple-voice-in-his-head and no 'Pool-'O-Vision (both of which really annoy me).
Cable & Deadpool also has the advantage of being finished and, as far as I know, entirely collected in trades.
See, I think the best version of Deadpool is Gail Simone's run. The art by Udon overall is great, and it fleshed out 'Pool's world by introducing more people, and giving a somewhat new personality to Taskmaster. Agent X is pretty much a continuation of it, although it did start to go downhill when both Simone and Udon left(only to reunite for the series finale.)
But seeing as that's not collected, I would probably recommend Way's version over C&D. Yes, the pool vision and voices in his head don't always work, but C&D never really felt funny to me.
The second voice was initially funny because it was unexpected, but they aren't distinct enough to justify keeping the second one around indefinitely. I'm hoping that Way finds a way to axe the second one.
What is the joke about Superman singing a Journey song. I've seen it here a few times, but only in reference and never the whole thing or what it applies to.
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There is no joke about Superman and Journey because Journey is the best band ever. Flash Fact. And Superman is the best hero, so of course they would combine to save the world.
Neal Schon's excellent guitar work, Jonathan Cain's keyboard and Steve Perry's vocals will destroy evil and help Superman save the world.
I like the Pool-O-Vision, but the multiple voices in his head are bothersome. One voice is enough.
I think the multiple voices would be worth it if there was some kind of differentiation between them. I proposed the idea that the three voices are Wade's Id, Ego, and Superego, and someone else thought it'd be interesting to make the white text boxes the voice of the writer. I think either of those would make the three voices worthwhile, but currently it's just Deadpool in Stereo.
I like the Pool-O-Vision, but the multiple voices in his head are bothersome. One voice is enough.
I think the multiple voices would be worth it if there was some kind of differentiation between them. I proposed the idea that the three voices are Wade's Id, Ego, and Superego, and someone else thought it'd be interesting to make the white text boxes the voice of the writer. I think either of those would make the three voices worthwhile, but currently it's just Deadpool in Stereo.
The writer/editor's comments are typically in little boxes at the edge of the panel, unless you mean that the writer should break the 4th wall along with Deadpool. I'd rather just have a "concience" box to try and talk him out of doing crazy things. The way it is now, he has 2 crazy voices (internal and external), and his normal outside voice. Just chop off the inner crazy voice and we'll be good.
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I was looking at Stokoe's hilarious "murder boner" Rogue Trooper thing, via Brandon Graham on whitechapel, and now have a desire to read some Rogue Trooper. I understand there are at least two different versions, the original and a reboot. Are either available in trade?
The writer/editor's comments are typically in little boxes at the edge of the panel, unless you mean that the writer should break the 4th wall along with Deadpool.
I'm talking about how Pool has two caption box voices, the white and the yellow. Someone said that they should make the white voice that of the current writer, so yeah, he'd kind of be breaking the 4th wall, doing a self-insertion thing in the story. I think it's a neat idea.
As TLB said though, the most important thing is that he appear in a good story. I actually enjoy the core Deadpool title a lot, but Way really needs to set up some kind of ongoing plot. Something for Wade to work towards. Since the beginning of the title, the main thrust of the story has been Wade's journey to become a hero, but that's really a plot point that was created, and resolved, in both the Kelly and Nicieza runs. I think it's about time for Wade to settle on who he is, and find a new place to take the character.
I was looking at Stokoe's hilarious "murder boner" Rogue Trooper thing, via Brandon Graham on whitechapel, and now have a desire to read some Rogue Trooper. I understand there are at least two different versions, the original and a reboot. Are either available in trade?
Yes indeed, the original Rogue is anyway. The trades were released about three years ago but seem to be getting bumper-sized reprints called the Tales of Nu Earth, of which the second volume was released a week or two ago.
I don't believe the rebooted series has been collected yet, but it wasn't quite as good anyway. Also, play the game, it's a very good Killzone-type third-person shooter.
I was looking at Stokoe's hilarious "murder boner" Rogue Trooper thing, via Brandon Graham on whitechapel, and now have a desire to read some Rogue Trooper. I understand there are at least two different versions, the original and a reboot. Are either available in trade?
Yes indeed, the original Rogue is anyway. The trades were released about three years ago but seem to be getting bumper-sized reprints called the Tales of Nu Earth, of which the second volume was released a week or two ago.
I don't believe the rebooted series has been collected yet, but it wasn't quite as good anyway. Also, play the game, it's a very good Killzone-type third-person shooter.
When you mean reboot do you mean the stuff with Friday and Venus?
Thanks for the info about Rogue Trooper, guys. Was that Strontium Dog thing good? It had a guy in green and gold armor who was some kind of bounty hunter or something.
Deadpool trying to become a hero was wrapped up perftectly in Cable and Deapool's series finale
It should never need to be touched upon again, as that ending was just perfect
Yo TLB, you seem to be knowledgeable in such areas. Does Cable and Deadpool require much knowledge about the whole X-verse type thing? Because I'm interested in picking it up having heard it's pretty good, but really am not interested in sinking into the oily black darkness of X-Men continuity.
Deadpool trying to become a hero was wrapped up perftectly in Cable and Deapool's series finale
It should never need to be touched upon again, as that ending was just perfect
Yo TLB, you seem to be knowledgeable in such areas. Does Cable and Deadpool require much knowledge about the whole X-verse type thing? Because I'm interested in picking it up having heard it's pretty good, but really am not interested in sinking into the oily black darkness of X-Men continuity.
All you need to know is that Xavier was walking at the time and who Cable is.
Also, in the later issues, there was a crossover with Mike Carey's X-Men ongoing because Cable was on that team as well, but the issues of Cable and Deadpool alone keep you caught up enough with what is going on, but if you want to read the whole thing, that trade is called Supernovas
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There was also that one or two issue tie-in to Milligan's poopy Apocalypse arc in X-Men where Cable brings him back to life or something that really didn't make sense. It seemed like Nicieza was told to make a tie-in issue but that he wasn't given any other information (which seemed very similar to his Thunderbolts Enemy of the State tie-in).
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The Void does, feels and desires whatever the Sentry does not. He saves Lindy because the Sentry ran away, at that point he was too afraid to return and wouldn't save his wife. But in Dark Reign Lindy was pretty much the only thing the Sentry cared about anymore, and so the Void hated her because she was the only thing which was stopping the Sentry basically giving up his fight with the Void (because really, if you don't care about anything else, why bother fighting your dark side?) In this case the Void wanted her dead, though even then he couldn't kill her personally, as the Sentry personality fought back.
That's the way I see it. Some would argue that it's just inconsistant writing, which was not an uncommon complaint when it came to the Sentry.
This was never mentioned in Dark Avengers, or anywhere else?
edit: see Solar that's what got me, the not being able to kill her part like in Dark Avengers, but then again in Mighty Avengers it was Ultron who did it, and in Secret Invasion just go sit in Saturn for the whole event and don't come back.
In short, if I wanted to get into cosmic Marvel, starting with Annihilation, what's the reading order?
Nova
Conquest (be sure to read the Starlord miniseries, it is awesome)
Guardians of the Galaxy / Nova
War of Kings
current stuff
I think it's all available in trades.
Before that there was "Realm of Kings", which was just a few issues of "that is a big effing hole in reality" and setting the groundwork for the Thanos Imperative.
I was a space rookie as well when I started Annihilation, but it was well worth the trip, because it is so good. The writers were able to get away with a lot of stuff because it wasn't the A-list characters being pussies on Earth.
Plus, a talking cosmonaut dog and a raccoon with a canon, how cool is that?
Original Annihilation series
Annihilation: Conquest
Annihilation: Conquest Starlord miniseries (because it is awesome)
first tpb of Guardians of the Galaxy (though the whole series has been fantastic)
first tpb of Nova (same reason, its a good series as well)
War of Kings tpb
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and work through volumes 1-3 (vol. 4 should be coming out soon).
If you like that, then work back with Cable & Deadpool & Deadpool Classic
Sound advice. The newest Deadpool ongoing has been wonderful, though I didn't like the pirates arc.
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If you finish the first 3 Deadpool trades of the current series and like that, pick up that stand alone mini as well, it's more of the same (Marvel flooded the market with Deadpool stuff a year ago)
Is there anyone with a similar absurd manic hyper-reality thing like that? I thought RyP was going to be, but I haven't seen anything of aside from Black Summer.
Brandon Graham's Escalator, Pillowfight are two of his less notable, but still well-drawn comics.
Omega the Unknown, with art by Farel Dalrymple, would probably appeal to you, though I found the story a little dry.
If you can track down Marvel's short-lived recent anthology Astonishing Tales, Nick Pitarra's style's very much in the vein of Seth Fisher's. Also? Heck of a nice dude. He offered to send me a free sketch after I made mention of how much I enjoyed his work here.
You may also enjoy 24Seven, which is an anthology about robots, with some really amazing talent attached. You can see the full list of creators in the Amazon preview. On that same note, you might try the Meathaus anthologies, if you can find them. They're more quirky/indie stuff, but Dash Shaw, Becky Cloonan, James Jean, and the aforementioned Dalrymple and Graham were all involved with it.
You might also like Spider-Man: Fever, if you haven't read it yet.
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Of all the Deadpool stories I've read (and I've read all of every Deadpool ongoing, limited series, and one-shot, barring Deadpool Corps, which is not even remotely to my liking), I think Cable and Deadpool is the very best one. I think it has the best characterization of Deadpool, the best humor, and the most consistently high quality - the first Deadpool ongoing had some great moments, but was pretty uneven overall. C&D also uses pre-Daniel Way Deadpool, which means no multiple-voice-in-his-head and no 'Pool-'O-Vision (both of which really annoy me).
Cable & Deadpool also has the advantage of being finished and, as far as I know, entirely collected in trades.
But seeing as that's not collected, I would probably recommend Way's version over C&D. Yes, the pool vision and voices in his head don't always work, but C&D never really felt funny to me.
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The writer/editor's comments are typically in little boxes at the edge of the panel, unless you mean that the writer should break the 4th wall along with Deadpool. I'd rather just have a "concience" box to try and talk him out of doing crazy things. The way it is now, he has 2 crazy voices (internal and external), and his normal outside voice. Just chop off the inner crazy voice and we'll be good.
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As TLB said though, the most important thing is that he appear in a good story. I actually enjoy the core Deadpool title a lot, but Way really needs to set up some kind of ongoing plot. Something for Wade to work towards. Since the beginning of the title, the main thrust of the story has been Wade's journey to become a hero, but that's really a plot point that was created, and resolved, in both the Kelly and Nicieza runs. I think it's about time for Wade to settle on who he is, and find a new place to take the character.
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Yes indeed, the original Rogue is anyway. The trades were released about three years ago but seem to be getting bumper-sized reprints called the Tales of Nu Earth, of which the second volume was released a week or two ago.
I don't believe the rebooted series has been collected yet, but it wasn't quite as good anyway. Also, play the game, it's a very good Killzone-type third-person shooter.
When you mean reboot do you mean the stuff with Friday and Venus?
Some of that was fantastic
Or was there an actual reboot of the series?
It should never need to be touched upon again, as that ending was just perfect
Also, where does one begin with Judge Dredd?
In fact most of 2000AD's older stuff is brilliant.
If you can still find it then Apocalypse Wars is pretty good Dredd, Mega City 1 vs East Meg 1 (A soviet city run by a council of Stalin clones).
Yo TLB, you seem to be knowledgeable in such areas. Does Cable and Deadpool require much knowledge about the whole X-verse type thing? Because I'm interested in picking it up having heard it's pretty good, but really am not interested in sinking into the oily black darkness of X-Men continuity.
All you need to know is that Xavier was walking at the time and who Cable is.