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  • S0upS0up Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    [Updated at 3:15 p.m.: Pop star Michael Jackson was pronounced dead by doctors this afternoon after arriving at a hospital in a deep coma, city and law enforcement sources told The Times.

    :?:

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tach wrote: »
    Apples =/= oranges, there Preach.

    I dunno outside of OJ's recent legal problems both suffered long drawn out court cases for crimes they claimed to have not committed, and were both celebrities. Is it because OJ's black?

    Well, again, Jackson probably didn't do what he was accused of, and OJ most definitely did murder those two people. He just got away with it due to prior mentioned dumb hick jurors.
    We do? While there is a great deal of evidence that he was a murder, I don't think it is a declared fact.

    Yes. Simpson's DNA and blood were all over the crime scene, Simpson's clothes had the victim's blood on them, Simpson's Bronco had the victim's blood in it, and even the infamous glove that Simpson didn't fit into had his and the victims blood on it.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    @warrenellis: Michael Jackson must surely have five younger hearts rigged in tandem inside his chest by now? Just stick a pen in his ear to reset him.

    @warrenellis: I understand he was found not breathing: but what if he'd already surgically bypassed the very need to breathe?

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  • SQUIRREL!SQUIRREL! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

    Yeah but nobody seems to try to understand the conditions that created the MJ we came to know during the end of his career. People like Fireflash just get up on their high horse and completely fail at acting like a human fucking being and showing some empathy.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Holy fuck...he died?

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    how come michael jackson gets thread but farrah fawcett doesnt
    also in other news
    who's #3?

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    oh warren ellis

    never change

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  • S0upS0up Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    how come michael jackson gets thread but farrah fawcett doesnt
    also in other news
    who's #3?

    Ed McMahon?

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  • Feels Good ManFeels Good Man Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    you know the worst part?


    in october, all the people doing zombie michael jackson costumes for halloween... complete with terrible thriller dances

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

    Yeah but nobody seems to try to understand the conditions that created the MJ we came to know during the end of his career. People like Fireflash just get up on their high horse and completely fail at acting like a human fucking being and showing some empathy.

    even i am showing pity and empathy for the dude

    and folks

    when i, of all god damn people, am showing more humanity to people than you are

    you may in fact be failing pretty fucking hard

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  • APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    LA Times now reporting he's dead after arriving in a deep coma.

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Farrah Fawcett died too/actually. :(

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  • SQUIRREL!SQUIRREL! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    how come michael jackson gets thread but farrah fawcett doesnt
    also in other news
    who's #3?

    MJ was third. The first was Ed McMahon.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I always separated his music from the man, because I grew up on his music.

    I'll always remember him in a good light. I hope that history treats him fondly.



    Also, this is #4, which REALLY sucks.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Farrah Fawcett died too/actually. :(
    there is an SE++ thread about her

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I do feel empathy for some people.

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  • NarianNarian Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    These are the songs...
    these are my heart songs
    they never feel wrong
    and when I wake for goodness sake...
    these are the songs I keep singing

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    LA Times now reporting he's dead after arriving in a deep coma.

    This part is the only part that really bothers me. People can survive in a coma.. Did the family choose to pull the plug?

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash, your presence is unnecessary, leave please.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash, your presence is unnecessary, leave please.
    k boss o_O

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    I do feel empathy for some people.

    but not people shit upon by life repeatedly and convicted in the court of public opinion of highly dubious charges

    apparently

    dude, you're a douche, straight up

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

    Yeah but nobody seems to try to understand the conditions that created the MJ we came to know during the end of his career. People like Fireflash just get up on their high horse and completely fail at acting like a human fucking being and showing some empathy.

    True, but as someone who likes exactly one Michael Jackson song, the proper way (to me, at least) to put "Michael Jackson (probably) touched little boys" into an empathetic context is "The guy suffered through a childhood full of really hideous abuse, coupled with incredible fame and a complete lack of a support structure that could have intervened and given him the therapy he obviously needed. That doesn't excuse his actions, but puts them in an important context."

    Not "Hey, he made Thriller, that lets him fuck his weight in toddlers as far as I care."

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    People are starting to gather at the medical center. Don't know if that is press or fans.



    This is gonna sound HORRIBLE, but I am sitting here wondering... Is this good or bad for Iran? I mean, suddenly the American 24/7 news cycle is paying attention to something else completely, meaning the government of Iran won't be getting more fuel... but at the same time, people might forget what is going on in Iran.


    (I promise this is the only post on the subject, I'm just musing.)

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    you know the worst part?


    in october, all the people doing zombie michael jackson costumes for halloween... complete with terrible thriller dances

    Honestly? That's the best part. The people remembering him for the great pop music that made him a legend.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Lawndart wrote: »
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

    Yeah but nobody seems to try to understand the conditions that created the MJ we came to know during the end of his career. People like Fireflash just get up on their high horse and completely fail at acting like a human fucking being and showing some empathy.

    True, but as someone who likes exactly one Michael Jackson song, the proper way to put "Michael Jackson (probably) touched little boys" into an empathetic context is "The guy suffered through a childhood full of really hideous abuse, coupled with incredible fame and a complete lack of a support structure that could have intervened and given him the therapy he obviously needed".

    Not "Hey, he made Thriller, that lets him fuck his weight in toddlers as far as I care".
    I should not have laughed at that.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2009
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tach wrote: »
    Apples =/= oranges, there Preach.

    I dunno outside of OJ's recent legal problems both suffered long drawn out court cases for crimes they claimed to have not committed, and were both celebrities. Is it because OJ's black?

    I see what you did there.

    Usually I think pedos can fuck right off, but Jackson was uniquely disturbed. You assign less blame to a psychotic who stabbed someone because he thought it was an evil demon coming to steal his soul. You just lock him in a cell and try to make him sane. (Or forget he's there, you know. Whatever.)

    Michael Jackson was fucking crazy. Were he not a celebrity, he would likely have been committed. He was basically a victim of his own celebrity. And what we wound up with was a serially abused, emotionally stunted man-child who legitimately could not relate to anyone over the age of ten. Sure, what he did was wrong. And it's wrong when the psycho kills the man who is decidedly not a soul-stealing demon. But the whole "BURN IN HELL!" mentality is extremely simplistic, and very sad.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited June 2009
    Lawndart wrote: »
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

    Yeah but nobody seems to try to understand the conditions that created the MJ we came to know during the end of his career. People like Fireflash just get up on their high horse and completely fail at acting like a human fucking being and showing some empathy.

    True, but as someone who likes exactly one Michael Jackson song, the proper way to put "Michael Jackson (probably) touched little boys" into an empathetic context is "The guy suffered through a childhood full of really hideous abuse, coupled with incredible fame and a complete lack of a support structure that could have intervened and given him the therapy he obviously needed".

    Not "Hey, he made Thriller, that lets him fuck his weight in toddlers as far as I care".
    I should not have laughed at that.

    My first thought was, "So two, then?"

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Athenor wrote: »
    People are starting to gather at the medical center. Don't know if that is press or fans.



    This is gonna sound HORRIBLE, but I am sitting here wondering... Is this good or bad for Iran? I mean, suddenly the American 24/7 news cycle is paying attention to something else completely, meaning the government of Iran won't be getting more fuel... but at the same time, people might forget what is going on in Iran.


    (I promise this is the only post on the subject, I'm just musing.)
    What people are seeing on CNN in the States means fuck all to the people of Iran.

    It's not always about us, people.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Tach wrote: »
    Apples =/= oranges, there Preach.

    I dunno outside of OJ's recent legal problems both suffered long drawn out court cases for crimes they claimed to have not committed, and were both celebrities. Is it because OJ's black?

    I see what you did there.

    Usually I think pedos can fuck right off, but Jackson was uniquely disturbed. You assign less blame to a psychotic who stabbed someone because he thought it was an evil demon coming to steal his soul. You just lock him in a cell and try to make him sane. (Or forget he's there, you know. Whatever.)

    Michael Jackson was fucking crazy. Were he not a celebrity, he would likely have been committed. He was basically a victim of his own celebrity. And what we wound up with was a serially abused, emotionally stunted man-child who legitimately could not relate to anyone over the age of ten. Sure, what he did was wrong. And it's wrong when the psycho kills the man who is decidedly not a soul-stealing demon. But the whole "BURN IN HELL!" mentality is extremely simplistic, and very sad.

    Ok can we just say here that this stuff was never proven whilst the 'victims' wanting lots of money was.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    I do feel empathy for some people.

    but not people shit upon by life repeatedly and convicted in the court of public opinion of highly dubious charges

    apparently

    dude, you're a douche, straight up

    From reading you and your stories, you've commited plenty of crimes, hurt a bunch of people. I've never assaulted, endangered, or significantly hurt anyone. I don't steal, and follow most laws pretty damn well. Yet because of my thoughts only. (Thoughts by the way don't hurt anyone) YOU call me a terrible person.. that's quite hypocritical of you.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    True, but as someone who likes exactly one Michael Jackson song, the proper way to put "Michael Jackson (probably) touched little boys" into an empathetic context is "The guy suffered through a childhood full of really hideous abuse, coupled with incredible fame and a complete lack of a support structure that could have intervened and given him the therapy he obviously needed".

    Not "Hey, he made Thriller, that lets him fuck his weight in toddlers as far as I care".
    I should not have laughed at that.

    My first thought was, "So two, then?"
    you're not helping!

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  • HaikiraHaikira UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    God, reading the comments on Reddit and Digg hurt my head.

    Nothing fancy to say, so... RIP

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    People are starting to gather at the medical center. Don't know if that is press or fans.



    This is gonna sound HORRIBLE, but I am sitting here wondering... Is this good or bad for Iran? I mean, suddenly the American 24/7 news cycle is paying attention to something else completely, meaning the government of Iran won't be getting more fuel... but at the same time, people might forget what is going on in Iran.


    (I promise this is the only post on the subject, I'm just musing.)
    What people are seeing on CNN in the States means fuck all to the people of Iran.

    It's not always about us, people.

    I know, I know... But the leadership in Iran is trying as hard as they can to blame everything on us. By our lidless eye gazing somewhere else, doesn't that help?




    ... I need to go find my MJ CD's.

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  • SQUIRREL!SQUIRREL! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2009
    Lawndart wrote: »
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    OremLK wrote: »
    Well, I'm not saying we should wish malice on him or fling insults at his grave or whatever; I just don't feel comfortable with people saying things that sound like (to me, correct me if I'm taking this wrong), "if he was a pedophile, oh well, it was just because he had a bad childhood".

    I mean, you can take pity on a person and still condemn his actions (if they did occur).

    Yeah but nobody seems to try to understand the conditions that created the MJ we came to know during the end of his career. People like Fireflash just get up on their high horse and completely fail at acting like a human fucking being and showing some empathy.

    True, but as someone who likes exactly one Michael Jackson song, the proper way (to me, at least) to put "Michael Jackson (probably) touched little boys" into an empathetic context is "The guy suffered through a childhood full of really hideous abuse, coupled with incredible fame and a complete lack of a support structure that could have intervened and given him the therapy he obviously needed. That doesn't excuse his actions, but puts them in an important context."

    Not "Hey, he made Thriller, that lets him fuck his weight in toddlers as far as I care."

    Show me wheren anybody said anything even remotely resembling that last part.

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  • OmeksOmeks Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    how come michael jackson gets thread but farrah fawcett doesnt
    also in other news
    who's #3?

    MJ was third. The first was Ed McMahon.

    Apparently God chose to have his annual Celebrity Death Hunt this week.

    I still remember last year's theme: black celebrities. Poor Mac and Hayes...

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    People are starting to gather at the medical center. Don't know if that is press or fans.



    This is gonna sound HORRIBLE, but I am sitting here wondering... Is this good or bad for Iran? I mean, suddenly the American 24/7 news cycle is paying attention to something else completely, meaning the government of Iran won't be getting more fuel... but at the same time, people might forget what is going on in Iran.


    (I promise this is the only post on the subject, I'm just musing.)
    What people are seeing on CNN in the States means fuck all to the people of Iran.

    It's not always about us, people.

    In that vein its more Sanford breathing a sigh of relief that two celebrities died.

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  • ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    CNN is reporting Not Dead Yet as of 4 minutes ago.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Omeks wrote: »
    SQUIRREL! wrote: »
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    how come michael jackson gets thread but farrah fawcett doesnt
    also in other news
    who's #3?

    MJ was third. The first was Ed McMahon.

    Apparently God chose to have his annual Celebrity Death Hunt this week.

    I still remember last year's theme: black celebrities. Poor Mac and Hayes...

    I still say this was #4, because Carradine was only a week ago or so.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    I do feel empathy for some people.

    but not people shit upon by life repeatedly and convicted in the court of public opinion of highly dubious charges

    apparently

    dude, you're a douche, straight up

    From reading you and your stories, you've commited plenty of crimes, hurt a bunch of people. I've never assaulted, endangered, or significantly hurt anyone. I don't steal, and follow most laws pretty damn well. Yet because of my thoughts only. (Thoughts by the way don't hurt anyone) YOU call me a terrible person.. that's quite hypocritical of you.

    It's not hypocritical.

    It's honest.

    You can think you are a better person than me for being honest about the kind of human being I am. Makes you a douche, but that's your call.

    But, I can show empathy and pity for a pathetic human being shit upon by life who died as a result of the clusterfuck that was their life. You, apparently, can't if they have even been accused of a crime.

    I think that makes you a douche, and a shitty human being.

    The fact that a person like me can do this and you can't speaks poorly of you, bucko, and doesn't make me a hypocrite at all.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Dead...not dead...dead...not dead. This is confusing.

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