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Zero carb gourmet!

Captain AwesomeftwCaptain Awesomeftw Registered User regular
edited December 2006 in Help / Advice Forum
Okay, so I've gone with the BodyOpus diet/excersize regime, and it's working fucking wonders for me so far. I'm melting, and I look and feel like a new man.

BUT

Jesus Christopher Christ, I am TIRED of eating eggs and ground animal three meals a day. It's to the point where I'm not even getting enough caloric intake (I want about 1600 a day.)

What I'm looking for are good things I can eat with ZERO carbs in them. Not even one. Anything at all, recipes, foods, dishes, SAUCES (sauces make the whole thing work. How I love thee, mayonnaise.), or beverages you might not normally think about when shopping. For instance, if anyone could reccomend maybe some vegetables that have no carbs in them (Does such a thing exist?) I would be most deeply grateful.

Seriously, help me out. It's to the point where I honestly considered drinking olive oil to make up for the calorie deficit and give myself some fat to burn.

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  • 3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Celery I hear works wonders.

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  • CycophantCycophant Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Normally I'd just tell people to suck it up and eat some carbs, but since your current diet seems to be working quite well for you, and most importantly you're happy with it, I'll try and be more helpful.

    A quick google search turned up this list, roughly arranged from lowest to highest carbohydrate counts. None of them contain "zero" carbs, but a lot of diets say the carbs from fibre in vegetables don't count, and the remainder is probably more than outweighed by the advantages of actually eating vegetables.

    But if you're strictly looking for only zero-carb, I really can't (nor desire to) help you. You'll have a lot of difficulty finding zero-carb items other than what you're probably already eating.

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The key to losing weight is simply burning more calories than you consume. It forces the body to break down fat and muscle to supplement your diet. While you should be eating extra protein and excercising to maintain muscle mass while losing weight, you don't need to eliminate carbohydrates from your diet. Just eat healthier food and less processed, mass produced food which contain an overabundance of high glycemic index carbohydrates. If you stick to getting carbohydrates from vegetables and whole grains, you'll be fine. In fact, you'll probably be in better shape because an all protein diet isn't good for your gastrointestinal system. You need fiber. If you like oatmeal or pumpernickel bread, go for it.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    If you're eating only 1600 calories a day, I don't care what is in them, you're going to lose weight.

    Getting 0g of dietary fiber a day is just plain awful for you. How long do you plan on staying on this diet?

    That being said, seafood is generally zero-carb.

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  • Captain AwesomeftwCaptain Awesomeftw Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Okay, I figured people would decry the zero carb aspect, so just to make it clear

    A- I'm not changing my diet.
    B- I do eat plenty of carbs, but I do them wisely.

    First off, I was placed on this diet by a professional dietician/bodybuilder, so I'm not worried about health side effects, because as far as I can tell, there aren't any. If anyone is interested, google Body Opus by Dan Duchaine. It's also known as the Ketogenic Diet, or informally, the Anabolic Diet (because the results are THAT impressive.)

    On the BodyOpus diet, you eat zero carbs monday through friday, while maintaining an intense workout regimen. Monday and Tuesday, it's heavy lifting to increase mass, Wednesday and Thursday a little cardio to keep your metabolism up, and friday is the "Depletion Workout", where you basically work every muscle with high reps and low weight in circuits of 20 reps until you are completely exhausted. Saturday and Sunday, no work out, and you carb-load every two hours for 48 hours.

    The way the diet works (by my laymans understanding) is during the week, your body initially burns glycogen stored in your liver and muscle mass before your body goes into ketosis (breaking fat into ketones for energy.) After that glycogen is depleted, your body will begin to break down the protein of the muscle mass in addition to the protein in food and both body fat and consumed fats.

    By doing your heavy lifting early on, you deplete that glycogen very soon and can get into ketosis to start shedding unwanted bodyfat during the week. Friday, you completely deplete your body of glycogen, and before your body starts eating your muscle mass, you compensate by keeping a steady flow of good, quality carbohydrates, which supersaturates your muscle mass with glycogen for you to burn the next week.

    It's genius because you shed all that fat, while BUILDING muscle (at an alarming rate), and once you get to the weekend, and all those delicious carbs (sweet potatoes are my favorite), you start off eating healthy carbs, which satisfies your craving and takes away your desire to go crazy and order a gallon of Cold Stone or some shit.

    Maybe my explanation isn't completely correct, as it's based on my rudimentary understanding, but no matter how it works, it still works amazingly. I'm down 25 pounds in four weeks, plus one week wasn't even on the diet, I took thanksgiving week off and went nuts. I'm also bulking up like crazy.

    It's not a long term diet, and once I reach my goal, I'll return to a normal diet of healthy foods in controlled portions, but it's a great diet to whip yourself into shape in a short amount of time.

    Keep those ideas coming!


    EDIT: To Thanatos, I get all kinds of fiber on the weekends. And my dietician says I should only be on this thing for another ten weeks, tops. By that time, I likely won't have any body fat TO burn. My goal is, maybe 175 pounds and a 15% or less body fat index. To put that and my calorie count into perspective, I'm currently 6 foot even, 225 pounds, and I'm not sure what my body fat index is. Also, the only supplements or strange chemical shit I'm putting into my body is a generic men's once daily multivitamin.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    If you're eating only 1600 calories a day, I don't care what is in them, you're going to lose weight.

    Getting 0g of dietary fiber a day is just plain awful for you. How long do you plan on staying on this diet?

    That being said, seafood is generally zero-carb.

    This i think is why low carb diets actually work. People just eat less since it tough to find stuff with no carbs.

    "eating eggs and ground beef' three times a day is terrible for you. veggies are pretty low carb steam some of them up and eat them. The biggest problem with Atkins diets is people assume that it means its ok to eat steak for every meals just becasue it has no carbs.

    I hope you'e getting some fiber and Vitamin C. If not do so even if it means taking supplements.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    If you're eating eggs everyday and they aren't egg whites... you're going to be in a serious medical problem if you continue this.


    Have you ever look at how much cholesterol one egg has?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    If you're eating eggs everyday and they aren't egg whites... you're going to be in a serious medical problem if you continue this.

    Have you ever look at how much cholesterol one egg has?
    A lot of this depends on family history and genetics.

    I can eat like shit, and my cholesterol will still be too low (this is both HDL and LDL; yes, my bad cholesterol is too low). Some people can do the vegetarian thing, all-organic, all low-cholesterol food, and still have too much bad cholesterol.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    If you're eating eggs everyday and they aren't egg whites... you're going to be in a serious medical problem if you continue this.

    Have you ever look at how much cholesterol one egg has?
    A lot of this depends on family history and genetics.

    I can eat like shit, and my cholesterol will still be too low (this is both HDL and LDL; yes, my bad cholesterol is too low). Some people can do the vegetarian thing, all-organic, all low-cholesterol food, and still have too much bad cholesterol.

    When you say "eat like shit" are you eating like shit for like months straight? It's okay to eat eggs and such, but this guy is making a diet out of it.

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  • NucshNucsh Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    If you're eating eggs everyday and they aren't egg whites... you're going to be in a serious medical problem if you continue this.

    Have you ever look at how much cholesterol one egg has?
    A lot of this depends on family history and genetics.

    I can eat like shit, and my cholesterol will still be too low (this is both HDL and LDL; yes, my bad cholesterol is too low). Some people can do the vegetarian thing, all-organic, all low-cholesterol food, and still have too much bad cholesterol.

    When you say "eat like shit" are you eating like shit for like months straight? It's okay to eat eggs and such, but this guy is making a diet out of it.

    In case you didn't bother to read, he clearly stated that he's been put on this diet by a professional dietician, and I'm pretty sure he's got this whole thing under control.

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  • mark-artmark-art Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Umm... OP, ketosis is bad. You are most certainly not gaining muscle if your depleting yourself so much. Carb cycling should be saved for when your within 10-20 lbs of your goal weight imo. Le sigh... You may be losing 'weight' but I bet a lot of its muscle as well.

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  • stixs4321stixs4321 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    You can drink olive oil, people do it all the time to reach calories and get healthy fats. Take a tsp or tbsp at a time with each meal even if you want.

    Invest in no carb whey protein? You can put some olive oil into it even.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Nucsh wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    If you're eating eggs everyday and they aren't egg whites... you're going to be in a serious medical problem if you continue this.

    Have you ever look at how much cholesterol one egg has?
    A lot of this depends on family history and genetics.

    I can eat like shit, and my cholesterol will still be too low (this is both HDL and LDL; yes, my bad cholesterol is too low). Some people can do the vegetarian thing, all-organic, all low-cholesterol food, and still have too much bad cholesterol.

    When you say "eat like shit" are you eating like shit for like months straight? It's okay to eat eggs and such, but this guy is making a diet out of it.

    In case you didn't bother to read, he clearly stated that he's been put on this diet by a professional dietician, and I'm pretty sure he's got this whole thing under control.

    Profession dieticians (that's not even a word) don't know the long term effects of such diets... no one does actually because they're all new. Also, if a "professional" doesn't know eating eggs and ground beef constantly is bad, that person needs to go back the fucking school. No carb diets are retarded anyway. Fad diets like this are retarded as hell.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Nucsh wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    If you're eating eggs everyday and they aren't egg whites... you're going to be in a serious medical problem if you continue this.

    Have you ever look at how much cholesterol one egg has?
    A lot of this depends on family history and genetics.

    I can eat like shit, and my cholesterol will still be too low (this is both HDL and LDL; yes, my bad cholesterol is too low). Some people can do the vegetarian thing, all-organic, all low-cholesterol food, and still have too much bad cholesterol.
    When you say "eat like shit" are you eating like shit for like months straight? It's okay to eat eggs and such, but this guy is making a diet out of it.
    In case you didn't bother to read, he clearly stated that he's been put on this diet by a professional dietician, and I'm pretty sure he's got this whole thing under control.
    Profession dieticians (that's not even a word) don't know the long term effects of such diets... no one does actually because they're all new. Also, if a "professional" doesn't know eating eggs and ground beef constantly is bad, that person needs to go back the fucking school. No carb diets are retarded anyway. Fad diets like this are retarded as hell.
    If you don't have any advice outside of "your diet is retarded," you can stop posting now.

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  • Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    Nucsh wrote:
    Thanatos wrote:
    If you're eating eggs everyday and they aren't egg whites... you're going to be in a serious medical problem if you continue this.

    Have you ever look at how much cholesterol one egg has?
    A lot of this depends on family history and genetics.

    I can eat like shit, and my cholesterol will still be too low (this is both HDL and LDL; yes, my bad cholesterol is too low). Some people can do the vegetarian thing, all-organic, all low-cholesterol food, and still have too much bad cholesterol.
    When you say "eat like shit" are you eating like shit for like months straight? It's okay to eat eggs and such, but this guy is making a diet out of it.
    In case you didn't bother to read, he clearly stated that he's been put on this diet by a professional dietician, and I'm pretty sure he's got this whole thing under control.
    Profession dieticians (that's not even a word) don't know the long term effects of such diets... no one does actually because they're all new. Also, if a "professional" doesn't know eating eggs and ground beef constantly is bad, that person needs to go back the fucking school. No carb diets are retarded anyway. Fad diets like this are retarded as hell.
    If you don't have any advice outside of "your diet is retarded," you can stop posting now.

    Okay, for one Low Carb diets rely on eating lots of proteins because proteins can lower hunger. Now, a large in take of protein can damage you kidneys if your body has no use for them. If you're lifting weights it's not as bad because you body will be using some of that protein, BUT if you're lifting weights you also need energy for Carbs. So, people who lift weights and such usually aren't on No Carb diets.

    So, from that one can see how it works, but it isn't healthy for your body due to the mass amounts of other things to place in your body (mainly cholesterol).

    Carbs are important because they are a big source of energy for the body. Since you deprive your body of it, your body uses fat for energy and sometimes muscle. So, from that one can see how it works, but it isn't healthy for your body due to the mass amounts of other things you place inside your body.

    Every fad diet has a flaw, some a lot worst than others. I think No Carb diets has the smallest of risk, but there are still risk that the dieter has to take into consideration.

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  • redpandaredpanda Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Holy crap… another person on the Fatkins diet. Captain Awesomeftw, you shouldn’t keep this diet up for too long. What some people don’t realize (until it’s too late) is that maintaining ketosis for an extended period of time severely damages your kidneys, liver, and digestive tract.

    I can’t really complain, because I’m still on my own version of the South Beach/Fatkins diet. It’s just that I don’t eat bread/pasta/processed sugar. However I do eat fruits and vegetables. I’m still loosing weight. I guess what matters most is diet and exercise.

    Oh yah, stay away from eggs and ground beef for every meal. Your heart will thank you later.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Mmm, ketosis. Yeah, I was a food science major back in 98, well before the atkins fad, and I had a professor who loved railing on Atkins and how stupid and unhealthy all "no carb, protein heavy" diets were. Kewop jogged my memory about how ketosis absolutely kills your kidneys. Mmm, dialysis at 35.


    Anyway, enough complaining. Most vegetables end up being extremely low-carb, if not 0 carb, due to the cellulose in their structure. The body requires more energy to process the cellulose, and essentially ends up burning off the same amount of calories as any carbohydrates present in the food. Celery is the obvious one, but it's also rather devoid of nutrients. Really, any green vegetable is going to do the trick -- broccoli, cauliflower (it's a green veggie, despite being white), zuccini, asparagus, lettuce.

    Carrots have a few more carbs, thanks to the higher sugar content, and potatoes are obviously right out, along with other starches.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    If you're eating only 1600 calories a day, I don't care what is in them, you're going to lose weight.

    Getting 0g of dietary fiber a day is just plain awful for you. How long do you plan on staying on this diet?

    That being said, seafood is generally zero-carb.

    This i think is why low carb diets actually work. People just eat less since it tough to find stuff with no carbs.

    "eating eggs and ground beef' three times a day is terrible for you. veggies are pretty low carb steam some of them up and eat them. The biggest problem with Atkins diets is people assume that it means its ok to eat steak for every meals just becasue it has no carbs.

    I hope you'e getting some fiber and Vitamin C. If not do so even if it means taking supplements.

    You're not even close to being helpful here. You're making huge assumptions and not offering an answer to the question actually being asked.

    Anyhow, the big reason low carb diets work is because most people eat really shitty carbs, like refined sugars and flours. That stuff gets processed way faster than it can be used and turns into fat. Eating the RIGHT carbs is the real key, and a good diet will emphasize that over eating simply fewer carbs, but in any case most people will eat too much and need to be told to keep an eye on it. Eating fewer carbs overall is a good way to guarantee someone cuts down on the shitty carbs, even though they could probably get away with eating more better carbs instead.

    BUT ALL OF THAT IS BESIDE THE FUCKING POINT ASSHOLES

    Thanatos said:
    If you don't have any advice outside of "your diet is retarded," you can stop posting now.

    Based on the fact that neither redpanda or Kewop seem to care about heeding that request, I'm going to make sure the two of you can't ignore it for the next little while and when you come back, you'd best be on your best behaviour. If the thread creator says he knows what he's doing and he just wants some zero carb recipes, and you offer contrary advice, and he reiterates his original request, you're fucking done. You don't carry on for a dozen more posts.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    My diet right now is very close to gluten free. I eat a lot (3 - 5 cups a day) of dark green veggies, cauliflower, carrots, lima beans, etc, as well as eggs, chicken and some beef. Any pasta is made from veggies, and any breads and cereals are all ancient grains (kamut, spelt, etc...). I'm not supposed to be eating any fruit right now, but I sneak in a serving a day when I get a strong craving. I supplement with a generic multivitamin for what I might be lacking. The diet isn't for weight loss, but it is a definite side effect. I lost ~15 lbs the first two weeks and 1lb a week steadily since. I might be losing some muscle, but I am not losing any strength. I don't currently have an exercise regimen, and I have been sedentary for far too long. I also found that my cost of eating hasn't changed, but the prep time has gone up. The diet would be totally gluten free if it weren't for the necessary fibre supplement.

    I've tried the no carb and weekend carb diest while working out before and I always found that once I stoped them, the carb cravings grew out of control. I also hated the way my breath smelled during the ketosis periods. After being stuck on this diet for two months, I find I have no real cravings, and I could keep it up for ages. My tongue burns a bit for some reason and I can't drink anything with sugar in it anymore (too sticky on the way down), but other than that, I could keep this up permanently.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    stigweard wrote:
    My diet right now is very close to gluten free. I eat a lot (3 - 5 cups a day) of dark green veggies, cauliflower, carrots, lima beans, etc, as well as eggs, chicken and some beef. Any pasta is made from veggies, and any breads and cereals are all ancient grains (kamut, spelt, etc...). I'm not supposed to be eating any fruit right now, but I sneak in a serving a day when I get a strong craving. I supplement with a generic multivitamin for what I might be lacking. The diet isn't for weight loss, but it is a definite side effect. I lost ~15 lbs the first two weeks and 1lb a week steadily since. I might be losing some muscle, but I am not losing any strength. I don't currently have an exercise regimen, and I have been sedentary for far too long. I also found that my cost of eating hasn't changed, but the prep time has gone up. The diet would be totally gluten free if it weren't for the necessary fibre supplement.

    I've tried the no carb and weekend carb diest while working out before and I always found that once I stoped them, the carb cravings grew out of control. I also hated the way my breath smelled during the ketosis periods. After being stuck on this diet for two months, I find I have no real cravings, and I could keep it up for ages. My tongue burns a bit for some reason and I can't drink anything with sugar in it anymore (too sticky on the way down), but other than that, I could keep this up permanently.

    Congratulations for you. The thread creator didn't ask though, and I certainly don't care, so maybe this could be a thread starter for a thread about how happy you are with yourself in SE or something? Maybe you could get a livejournal, even.

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  • HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Tuna.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Hensler wrote:
    Tuna.

    Tuna is a tasty one. If you like spicy food you can get a lot of mileage out of tuna, too.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Here is a fairly complete list of zero carb foods. About the only thing on there that hasn't been mentioned yet are mustard, parsley, head lettuce and sugar free whip cream. You could take a stab at making your own seasonings. You can't go for steak seasoning or anything like that because they have sugar in them, but you could probably figure out the majority of ingredients to make your own. you can also go with some very small amounts of some types of cheese. 5 tbsp of parmesan has less than 1gm of carbs. Torani makes a whole line of sugar free, zero carb syrups, but I don't see them being very tasty on the rest of the available menu. I wouldn't worry about being absolutely 0 carbs during the week either. Sauces with >10gms of carbs should all be fine provided you stick to the proper portion.

    I trailed off in my original post. I started out in my mind to make the point that there are other diets that aren't as hard on your system that will let you lose as much weight but ended up trailing off big time. I'm not trying to dissuade you in any way, I'm just relay my experience having done no/low diets more than once. If you manage to keep that weight off after you go off, for even another three months, I will congratulate you. It's the type of diet that lifters do coming up to a competition and most gain it right back afterwards.

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  • Captain AwesomeftwCaptain Awesomeftw Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    stigweard wrote:
    Here is a fairly complete list of zero carb foods. About the only thing on there that hasn't been mentioned yet are mustard, parsley, head lettuce and sugar free whip cream. You could take a stab at making your own seasonings. You can't go for steak seasoning or anything like that because they have sugar in them, but you could probably figure out the majority of ingredients to make your own. you can also go with some very small amounts of some types of cheese. 5 tbsp of parmesan has less than 1gm of carbs. Torani makes a whole line of sugar free, zero carb syrups, but I don't see them being very tasty on the rest of the available menu. I wouldn't worry about being absolutely 0 carbs during the week either. Sauces with >10gms of carbs should all be fine provided you stick to the proper portion.

    I trailed off in my original post. I started out in my mind to make the point that there are other diets that aren't as hard on your system that will let you lose as much weight but ended up trailing off big time. I'm not trying to dissuade you in any way, I'm just relay my experience having done no/low diets more than once. If you manage to keep that weight off after you go off, for even another three months, I will congratulate you. It's the type of diet that lifters do coming up to a competition and most gain it right back afterwards.

    Thanks for the list, that may have been the first post so far to actually offer Help or Advice. Back to the original question though, does anyone have some Recipes or ways to spice up my neverending buffet of meat and cheese?[/i]

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  • wmelonwmelon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Thanks for the list, that may have been the first post so far to actually offer Help or Advice. Back to the original question though, does anyone have some Recipes or ways to spice up my neverending buffet of meat and cheese?

    well being enforced into a fairly similar diet by food allergies, I've taken to finding usual ways to spice and cook the meat and cheeses. :) I usually just pick up some meat of some form ( though it tends to be a lot of either beef or chicken ) and throw some chili powder and cayenne pepper on it, then throw it either on the grill or in a pan. Luckily i can still eat a few carbs like fruits,rice and potatoes.

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  • redpandaredpanda Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Here are a few of my favorites:

    Low Carb Quesada’s –

    2 low-carb tortillas (Don Poncho, La Tortilla Factory – are my favorites)
    1 tablespoon of olive oil (so the tortillas don’t stick to the pan)
    Cheese
    (Meat of your choice) I use chicken

    Cook until the cheese is melted and the tortillas are browned.

    Meso Soup

    2-3 cups of water
    2 heavy tablespoons of Meso Paste (white or red meso)
    ½ small chopped onion
    ¼ medium sized cabbage
    Small amount of dehydrated seaweed (use a small amount, it expands a lot, when cooked)
    Seafood of your choice – I use shrimp or imitation crab meat.

    Bring the soup to a steady boil, and then serve.

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