Making it all the stranger that Rinoa magically goes crazy for him.
To be fair, having the female love interest fall for the asshole hero for no apparent reason is pretty much standard operating procedure in a JRPG.
It was a bit of a step backward for the series in a way - Locke had a pretty realistic reason for falling for Celes, for instance (he was projecting Rachel onto her - kind of morbid but it happens all the time IRL, and especially in the Romantic/Victorian type storylines on which FF6 seemed to be based). But really, why was Aeris so into Cloud? Because he was such a badass, or what? It seems like she's in love with him from the time he comes crashing through the ceiling of her sacred place.
EDIT: Well, I guess Zack had a lot to do with it.
Yeah, she confesses as much on the Gold Saucer date.
DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited July 2009
Hmm, you know I always thought Rinoa was a lot more conniving than people gave her credit for. She was basically using Squall for a good portion of the game(even admitted that to him), then she magically fell in love or something...can't remember.
And yeah, Aeris was using Cloud because he reminded her of Zack.
The only thing that really bothered me about Rinoa was her stupid weapon. I would have had a lot more respect for her if she just threw a damn boomerang or something, but they had to try to make it a high-tech version thereof. Instead she just has some strange little wrist-mounted launcher... thing which flies very slowly and magically reattaches itself to her arm. Lame.
As far as her personality goes it never really bothered me. Not a standout character by any means but I never really got why she was so universally reviled.
I liked the whole cast of FF8, actually. People say their personality kind of gets irritating, but honestly, they're the only teenage heroes in a video game that acted remotely teenaged. I mean, has anyone else been around a group of high school kids lately? Looking back on it, it's pretty embarassing.
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The only thing that really bothered me about Rinoa was her stupid weapon. I would have had a lot more respect for her if she just threw a damn boomerang or something, but they had to try to make it a high-tech version thereof. Instead she just has some strange little wrist-mounted launcher... thing which flies very slowly and magically reattaches itself to her arm. Lame.
As far as her personality goes it never really bothered me. Not a standout character by any means but I never really got why she was so universally reviled. I liked the whole cast of FF8 honestly. People say their personality kind of gets irritating, but honestly, they're the only teenage heroes in a video game that acted remotely teenaged. I mean, has anyone else been around a group of high school kids lately? Looking back on it, it's pretty embarassing.
Which is another reason that JRPG makers really need to go for an age bump again.
I would say hit up to 21, but most people that age are just as immature as teens they can just drink a lot more.
Hmm, 24 and up would be good. FFXIII and Versus seem to be doing well in this regard so far.
The only thing that really bothered me about Rinoa was her stupid weapon. I would have had a lot more respect for her if she just threw a damn boomerang or something, but they had to try to make it a high-tech version thereof. Instead she just has some strange little wrist-mounted launcher... thing which flies very slowly and magically reattaches itself to her arm. Lame.
As far as her personality goes it never really bothered me. Not a standout character by any means but I never really got why she was so universally reviled.
Mostly it's the fact that you have to rescue her over and over and over again, culminating with RINOA. IN. SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE.
I liked the whole cast of FF8, actually. People say their personality kind of gets irritating, but honestly, they're the only teenage heroes in a video game that acted remotely teenaged. I mean, has anyone else been around a group of high school kids lately? Looking back on it, it's pretty embarassing.
I finally tried persona 4 a couple months ago and was pretty amazed by it, given when it was made.
Maybe I should give FF8 another shot. Mostly I was remember how wooden the characters were, which would be fine except that the game seems to be trying really hard to convince you that they aren't wooden. Somewhere near the end of the second disk I think I was just like, "fuck you I cannot empathize with these characters no matter how hard you try to make me."
although the part where irvine can barely bring himself to shoot edea was pretty neat
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I always thought Tifa was more of the love interest for Cloud.
I saw it the same way.
I mean, she's pretty much the only human alive who actually knows who the hell he actually is. To everyone else, he's just the pointy-haired dude with a big sword.
Though I've heard good arguments for Aerith/Aeris. As aforementioned, the fact that Aerith is basically projecting her dead boyfriend onto Cloud doesn't help either, I think.
A big point is that you can MAKE Squall be less of a dick by YOUR dialog. If YOU are picking all of the "..." options, then you have only yourself to blame.
He's a poor communicator, but he's not Emo.
You can take Selphie on a tour, show concern for your comrades, NOT blow off Rinoa etc.
I've seen villagers with single lines of dialogue that have more personality than Squall.
Could you point out a few examples? You make me think I've been playing the wrong kind of games!
Most recently, Lunar: Eternal Blue. The game's filled with characterized townspeople.
Shadow Hearts 1 has awesome townspeople. Hell, the whole series does. The best examples being the women, men, and children in the cannibal village of Zhaoyang in SH1.
A big point is that you can MAKE Squall be less of a dick by YOUR dialog. If YOU are picking all of the "..." options, then you have only yourself to blame.
He's a poor communicator, but he's not Emo.
You can take Selphie on a tour, show concern for your comrades, NOT blow off Rinoa etc.
Hell, when giving Rinoa the grand tour, you can actually get him to make a joke at Rinoa's expense...
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that is lame, as I don't have any flavor of playstation
This is such a non-argument.
"Man, I wish I could play Mario! But... I have no Nintendo system. If only there existed some sort of facility where I could exchange these peculiar emerald-colored pieces of paper for said item! Sigh."
eh I'm not that inclined to pick up another console that I'll barely ever use
if it was on steam or something I might pay 10 or 20 bucks
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DunxcoShould get a suitNever skips breakfastRegistered Userregular
edited July 2009
Hopefully I'm not being pants-on-head stupid here when I post this, but something's confusing me about FFVII's plot (now there's an original story). At the Temple of the Ancients. When you find Tseng, and he's been messed up by our boy Sephiroth, Aeris starts crying. Here's the bit of dialogue relevant to that bit:
Aerith: ...Tseng's with our enemy, the Turks, but I've known him since we were little... There's not a lot of people I can say that about. In fact, there are probably only a handful of people in the world who really know me.
So Aerith claims to have known Tseng since they were both little? That's odd. When Elmyra is spilling the beans to Cloud, Barret and Tifa in Midgar, Disc 1, the flashback cutscene would indicate that Tseng is a fair bit older than Aerith.
Basically what I'm asking is this: What's the deal here? Chalk it up to bad translation, or is there a piece of the puzzle I'm missing?
I didn't even like Angeal that much. He came off as a flat character, and kept spouting that 'defend your honour' bullshit when it didn't even mean anything.
But no character ever is as bad as Genesis, not even Squall (who held the worst character title in my mind before he was soundly dethroned by gackt).
I didn't even like Angeal that much. He came off as a flat character, and kept spouting that 'defend your honour' bullshit when it didn't even mean anything.
But no character ever is as bad as Genesis, not even Squall (who held the worst character title in my mind before he was soundly dethroned by gackt).
Wasn't Squall's character design inspired by Gackt as well?
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DunxcoShould get a suitNever skips breakfastRegistered Userregular
I didn't even like Angeal that much. He came off as a flat character, and kept spouting that 'defend your honour' bullshit when it didn't even mean anything.
But no character ever is as bad as Genesis, not even Squall (who held the worst character title in my mind before he was soundly dethroned by gackt).
Wasn't Squall's character design inspired by Gackt as well?
I swear it was but I cannot find anything to back that statement up.
YamiNoSenshiA point called ZIn the complex planeRegistered Userregular
edited July 2009
When I beat Crisis Core I looked some stuff up and found I was under leveled and missed a ton of items and materia. It just felt so non-intuitive that I barely ever touched it, and got to the point where I just finished the game for the sake of beating it. The ending was pretty good.
1) Square-Enix's apparent need to introduce more new characters, instead of the ones FFVII fans like myself had already grown comfortable with and even grown to love.
2) Stormtrooper Syndrome: Just like how you can't have a Star Wars game without pulverizing stormtroopers, regardless of the alignment of the main character, you can't have SE game set in that universe without beating the crap out of the Peace Preservation Army, regardless of the character's opposition or employment with Shinra--not just at the end, where you expect, but everywhere else too. Kind of lame and disjointed to me.
Otherwise, I was really looking forward to it. Of course, I got it in my stupid head that it would be like Before Crisis but with awesome interior shots of the Shinra Headquarters. Very stupid and naive of me.
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Yeah, she confesses as much on the Gold Saucer date.
And yeah, Aeris was using Cloud because he reminded her of Zack.
Man...they were bitches.
As far as her personality goes it never really bothered me. Not a standout character by any means but I never really got why she was so universally reviled.
I liked the whole cast of FF8, actually. People say their personality kind of gets irritating, but honestly, they're the only teenage heroes in a video game that acted remotely teenaged. I mean, has anyone else been around a group of high school kids lately? Looking back on it, it's pretty embarassing.
Which is another reason that JRPG makers really need to go for an age bump again.
I would say hit up to 21, but most people that age are just as immature as teens they can just drink a lot more.
Hmm, 24 and up would be good. FFXIII and Versus seem to be doing well in this regard so far.
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Play Persona 4.
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Maybe I should give FF8 another shot. Mostly I was remember how wooden the characters were, which would be fine except that the game seems to be trying really hard to convince you that they aren't wooden. Somewhere near the end of the second disk I think I was just like, "fuck you I cannot empathize with these characters no matter how hard you try to make me."
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I saw it the same way.
I mean, she's pretty much the only human alive who actually knows who the hell he actually is. To everyone else, he's just the pointy-haired dude with a big sword.
Though I've heard good arguments for Aerith/Aeris. As aforementioned, the fact that Aerith is basically projecting her dead boyfriend onto Cloud doesn't help either, I think.
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Most recently, Lunar: Eternal Blue. The game's filled with characterized townspeople.
He's a poor communicator, but he's not Emo.
You can take Selphie on a tour, show concern for your comrades, NOT blow off Rinoa etc.
This is acceptable.
Shadow Hearts 1 has awesome townspeople. Hell, the whole series does. The best examples being the women, men, and children in the cannibal village of Zhaoyang in SH1.
Hell, when giving Rinoa the grand tour, you can actually get him to make a joke at Rinoa's expense...
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"You spent time brooding with Vincent."
"Man, I wish I could play Mario! But... I have no Nintendo system. If only there existed some sort of facility where I could exchange these peculiar emerald-colored pieces of paper for said item! Sigh."
if it was on steam or something I might pay 10 or 20 bucks
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Aerith: ...Tseng's with our enemy, the Turks, but I've known him since we were little... There's not a lot of people I can say that about. In fact, there are probably only a handful of people in the world who really know me.
So Aerith claims to have known Tseng since they were both little? That's odd. When Elmyra is spilling the beans to Cloud, Barret and Tifa in Midgar, Disc 1, the flashback cutscene would indicate that Tseng is a fair bit older than Aerith.
Basically what I'm asking is this: What's the deal here? Chalk it up to bad translation, or is there a piece of the puzzle I'm missing?
Thanks for clearing that up though, Rust.
Mostly thanks to Genesis.
I personally like Crisis Core a lot. Just remove Genesis and tweak the combat and you'll have a perfect game.
But no character ever is as bad as Genesis, not even Squall (who held the worst character title in my mind before he was soundly dethroned by gackt).
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
It was like the director's kid running onto the stage at the climax of a big tragedy and hamming everything up
staggering around the stage makin a constipated face
copying lines from other plays and getting them wrong
I swear it was but I cannot find anything to back that statement up.
Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHiPlN9i0ME
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
So, disjointed and nonsensical? Right.
The main one being that the gameplay is incredibly boring and repetitive.
1) Square-Enix's apparent need to introduce more new characters, instead of the ones FFVII fans like myself had already grown comfortable with and even grown to love.
2) Stormtrooper Syndrome: Just like how you can't have a Star Wars game without pulverizing stormtroopers, regardless of the alignment of the main character, you can't have SE game set in that universe without beating the crap out of the Peace Preservation Army, regardless of the character's opposition or employment with Shinra--not just at the end, where you expect, but everywhere else too. Kind of lame and disjointed to me.
Otherwise, I was really looking forward to it. Of course, I got it in my stupid head that it would be like Before Crisis but with awesome interior shots of the Shinra Headquarters. Very stupid and naive of me.