Working on this poster kind of comp. Planning on doing the entire thing in pencil. Ive started the tone trying to consider the form of the shapes. I want to go darker in areas but im afraid i'll get that glossy shine which normally happens when there is too much pencil on the page. Any way to avoid it? I might try spraying it down with that seal spray stuff and re-working on top.
Working on this poster kind of comp. Planning on doing the entire thing in pencil. Ive started the tone trying to consider the form of the shapes. I want to go darker in areas but im afraid i'll get that glossy shine which normally happens when there is too much pencil on the page. Any way to avoid it? I might try spraying it down with that seal spray stuff and re-working on top.
Use the right pencil for the value you want to achieve. Use successively softer pencils for successively darker shades of grey. A 9B is almost black. you can also use charcoal. If you intend to scan the drawing then the glossy shine is not much of a problem as it won't show much (or not at all) once it's scanned.
Oh and make sure you can actually work on top of the sealer. Some brands (or every brand I have tried anyway) make it difficult to apply more graphite on the paper after it has been sprayed down. I have found that no matter how light the shade is it becomes increasingly harder to apply more shade to that area, so plan ahead and try to get your darkest darks in immediately with the right grade of pencil instead of drawing teh whole drawing with the same pencil and then adding more graphite on top of it.
I still have the 700px x 900 jpeg so its ok. Ill end up painting over that. its for digital display anyway, Dont plan on printing so ill be ok. I always save progressive Jpegs but not psd. this is the first time i have ever had a problem in years
I'm a bit of a nut for mechanical detail in drawings, so I was drawn to the guns. As mentioned, they are squeezing the triggers (and people will notice this, a lot of guns have long pulls to the triggers, they should be noticeably away from the back of the trigger guard to indicate that they aren't being fired)
See the spacing here:
Also notice that most combat arms will have tons of room in the trigger guard, so that someone with gloves on can easily operate the trigger.
Another example:
Think about the scale on weapons too. The grip on a rifle or sidearm should be just large enough to comfortably fit your hand around. If you look at the G3 there, that gives you a good sense of scale on how large the trigger is, how much pull it has, and how much room is in the trigger guard.
Besides that...
The shading on the grip on the rifle in the background and the way it connects to the trigger assembly makes it look like the gun should be pointing at more of a 45 degree angle away from the woman, and not up and down like it is. Maybe it's just some more shading or detail that needs to go in, but it's throwing me off.
The incredibly thin magazine on the foreground SMG (sort of sized like a machine pistol with an extended barrel, either it could use more bulk or the guy's hands are massive) seems disconnected to the rest of the weapon. The perspective doesn't seem off when looking at the grip for comparison, but my eyes are drawn to the barrel and from there, the magazine doesn't look like it is really on the same plane as the rest of the gun. It could just be me, but it just doesn't look right.
It's stylized to a point where I'm not sure of the logic you used to construct it, but I think the arm is messed up, yes. It looks like it goes from shoulder to forearm with no upper-arm in between. The wrist being so skinny and the forearm so beefy breaks up the flow too.
Also, how does a stick that skinny hold up a rock that big?
It's stylized to a point where I'm not sure of the logic you used to construct it, but I think the arm is messed up, yes. It looks like it goes from shoulder to forearm with no upper-arm in between. The wrist being so skinny and the forearm so beefy breaks up the flow too.
Also, how does a stick that skinny hold up a rock that big?
Carbon nanotubes.
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thanks. funny how you can't see it until someone points it out... There was a construction but I lost it when I added fur I think... something along these lines?
It's stylized to a point where I'm not sure of the logic you used to construct it, but I think the arm is messed up, yes. It looks like it goes from shoulder to forearm with no upper-arm in between. The wrist being so skinny and the forearm so beefy breaks up the flow too.
Also, how does a stick that skinny hold up a rock that big?
thanks. funny how you can't see it until someone points it out... There was a construction but I lost it when I added fur I think... something along these lines?
In the realm of art, I am indeed an autodidact! At least in the sense that I've never undertaken a formal curriculum with any gravity. Various tutorials and the guidance from other artists has been absolutely indispensable, though.
So refined more of my poster design thing. Going for an old Clint Eastwood/John Wayne type poster layout. Where there are several seperate images compositioned into the one. I've really tried to consider the forms and values a lot with this one. So far ive spent over 6 hours on it. Quite a lot for a rather simple image.
I reckon ill print it off onto a clean sheet and darken some of the values more. My original sketch is really glossy and the pencil keeps slipping.
large version incase anyone wants to critique the shading
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This is actually one the better things you've done WCK, the hands are still all sorts of wrong and there are various structural flaws, but I can see you've given it your all. So props where props are due.
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Working on this poster kind of comp. Planning on doing the entire thing in pencil. Ive started the tone trying to consider the form of the shapes. I want to go darker in areas but im afraid i'll get that glossy shine which normally happens when there is too much pencil on the page. Any way to avoid it? I might try spraying it down with that seal spray stuff and re-working on top.
Also a quick self portrait.
pick up a range of pencils and use them.
I like where this is going. :thumbup:
The lighting is starting to look really cool but the expression changed from "oh crap" to "oh joy".
Use the right pencil for the value you want to achieve. Use successively softer pencils for successively darker shades of grey. A 9B is almost black. you can also use charcoal. If you intend to scan the drawing then the glossy shine is not much of a problem as it won't show much (or not at all) once it's scanned.
Oh and make sure you can actually work on top of the sealer. Some brands (or every brand I have tried anyway) make it difficult to apply more graphite on the paper after it has been sprayed down. I have found that no matter how light the shade is it becomes increasingly harder to apply more shade to that area, so plan ahead and try to get your darkest darks in immediately with the right grade of pencil instead of drawing teh whole drawing with the same pencil and then adding more graphite on top of it.
I'm a bit of a nut for mechanical detail in drawings, so I was drawn to the guns. As mentioned, they are squeezing the triggers (and people will notice this, a lot of guns have long pulls to the triggers, they should be noticeably away from the back of the trigger guard to indicate that they aren't being fired)
Also notice that most combat arms will have tons of room in the trigger guard, so that someone with gloves on can easily operate the trigger.
Another example:
Think about the scale on weapons too. The grip on a rifle or sidearm should be just large enough to comfortably fit your hand around. If you look at the G3 there, that gives you a good sense of scale on how large the trigger is, how much pull it has, and how much room is in the trigger guard.
Besides that...
The shading on the grip on the rifle in the background and the way it connects to the trigger assembly makes it look like the gun should be pointing at more of a 45 degree angle away from the woman, and not up and down like it is. Maybe it's just some more shading or detail that needs to go in, but it's throwing me off.
The incredibly thin magazine on the foreground SMG (sort of sized like a machine pistol with an extended barrel, either it could use more bulk or the guy's hands are massive) seems disconnected to the rest of the weapon. The perspective doesn't seem off when looking at the grip for comparison, but my eyes are drawn to the barrel and from there, the magazine doesn't look like it is really on the same plane as the rest of the gun. It could just be me, but it just doesn't look right.
Intriguing, Tam.
What is it?
All i could see was a grumpy alien face with a big eye and a bishop's hat.
puer natus in bethlehem
edit: Hahaha, I see it now, petal. I'm going to flesh out that alternate version tonight.
Oh it's such a nice day, I think I'll go out the window! Whoa!
Haha, this is exactly what I saw too! I had a hard time seeing the baby/mom for a few seconds...
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It's a variant of the Rorschach test.
Clearly.
Also, how does a stick that skinny hold up a rock that big?
Carbon nanotubes.
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He still has no upper arm.
Speaking of upper arms, are you self-taught Tam?
This of course has nothing to do with upper arms, but everything to do with hotdogs, so you can see how I drew the conclusion.
Okay, I'm done, now go fuck yourself!
Are you ever going to color anything again?
I reckon ill print it off onto a clean sheet and darken some of the values more. My original sketch is really glossy and the pencil keeps slipping.
large version incase anyone wants to critique the shading
Not for a while. Color is complicated and takes lots of time to learn.
man that show
It's burrowed itself so far into my heart. There might one day be an animated comedy show better, but I'll still love Futurama so much more.