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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    1) The reason the scout master appears to respond very very slowly is due to a narration trick used in a lot of cartoons. It's a time compression storytelling device which suggests that you aren't actually hearing specifically what they said but rather the general notion of their conversation.

    2) Working hard on something doesn't make you immune to criticism. I've worked hard on web comics as well, but they are truly terrible to behold, and I deserve every knock I get for them. MALICE is not appropriate, of course, but honest and constructive criticism is important for development as an artist.

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    HeirHeir Ausitn, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I don't think that she's a bad artist. It just doesn't work for a webcomic. It's hard to follow, and doesn't really have much of a natural flow.

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    ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    So you guys think the scoutmaster is just standing there watching while the Basilisk rends this kid? Doesn't make sense--he said he would show the kids how to put wrong things right. Which apparently you do by getting knocked flat out.

    I read it as the basilisk had put the scoutmaster down and freakish blond boy is having a USE THE FORCE, LUKE moment.

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    chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    So you guys think the scoutmaster is just standing there watching while the Basilisk rends this kid? Doesn't make sense--he said he would show the kids how to put wrong things right. Which apparently you do by getting knocked flat out.

    I read it as the basilisk had put the scoutmaster down and freakish blond boy is having a USE THE FORCE, LUKE moment.

    I disagree.

    This is a 'culling of the weak' process. Think spartans, but in the forrest.

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    OmnomnomPancakeOmnomnomPancake Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Think feral animals, but then cockatrice.

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    InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Yikes.

    I'm going agree that it's probably not the artist's fault that it's this bad. I think the art is completely wrong for it, based upon the first comic, but the writing definitely contains the brunt of the blame. I'm assuming Tycho wrote the dialog for the first one and these last two try to terribly do what he did, without any of the grace or skill.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Honestly I would probably be far less negatively inclined if Gabe's art for the first Lookouts didn't just scream awesomeness and put my jaw on the floor.

    I still don't think her style is terribly appropriate for the story being told but I don't think it inappropriate for everything.

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    AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Invisible wrote: »
    Yikes.

    I'm going agree that it's probably not the artist's fault that it's this bad. I think the art is completely wrong for it, based upon the first comic, but the writing definitely contains the brunt of the blame. I'm assuming Tycho wrote the dialog for the first one and these last two try to terribly do what he did, without any of the grace or skill.

    Oh, yeah. This definitely happened to me.

    I voted for Automata, but after listening to the Lookouts podcast I got excited about it and actually wound up hoping it would win instead. Then when page 2 came out, my vague recollection had been that they would be passing Tycho's scripts onto another artist. So of course I was disappointed by it, and of course I blamed the art for that.

    Looking back on it with conscious appreciation for the quality of the writing, the art seems much better.

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    CatamaranCatamaran Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    yea today's comic is definitely not my cup o tea. its just as difficult to discern whats going on, and is the blonde-kid resurrected or something?

    at this point in time it occurs to me that there are a delicate set of rules that apply to telling a story through comic panels, rules these artists haven't quite executed as well as others.

    i DO like the colors here though

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    HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    This one is better I guess. One problem is a lack of sound effects. Also, in the bottom left panel there is a tree that I half-confused for the kids hand for a second.

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'm pretty sure that the scoutmaster is actually knocked out and the little kid is remembering the scoutmaster's words. They show the master laying on the ground, if he was going to be all "tough love" then they would have shown him getting back up.

    Also, we know very little about the characters so far but I wasn't under the impression that the lookouts were supposed to be some sort of crazy dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest type organization.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Thank god I thought I was alone in my hate. I could stomach Lookouts if Gabe had drawn it.

    This style is not what was advertised nor is it appropriate for the story.

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    Edith UpwardsEdith Upwards Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Duffel wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that the scoutmaster is actually knocked out and the little kid is remembering the scoutmaster's words. They show the master laying on the ground, if he was going to be all "tough love" then they would have shown him getting back up.

    Also, we know very little about the characters so far but I wasn't under the impression that the lookouts were supposed to be some sort of crazy dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest type organization.

    No, that was the tall dude, who looked cooler in the second page then he did in the first.

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    SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Comic isn't good.

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    AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Duffel wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that the scoutmaster is actually knocked out and the little kid is remembering the scoutmaster's words. They show the master laying on the ground, if he was going to be all "tough love" then they would have shown him getting back up.

    Also, we know very little about the characters so far but I wasn't under the impression that the lookouts were supposed to be some sort of crazy dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest type organization.

    The working title was "fantasy boy scouts".

    So, yeah. No.

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    chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Adrien wrote: »
    Duffel wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that the scoutmaster is actually knocked out and the little kid is remembering the scoutmaster's words. They show the master laying on the ground, if he was going to be all "tough love" then they would have shown him getting back up.

    Also, we know very little about the characters so far but I wasn't under the impression that the lookouts were supposed to be some sort of crazy dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest type organization.

    The working title was "fantasy boy scouts".

    So, yeah. No.

    There were an awful lot of kids that had already been turned to stone for it to be some sort of boy scout outing.

    I suppose we will find out next week. I hope.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Adrien wrote: »
    Duffel wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that the scoutmaster is actually knocked out and the little kid is remembering the scoutmaster's words. They show the master laying on the ground, if he was going to be all "tough love" then they would have shown him getting back up.

    Also, we know very little about the characters so far but I wasn't under the impression that the lookouts were supposed to be some sort of crazy dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest type organization.

    The working title was "fantasy boy scouts".

    So, yeah. No.

    Did you read the plot details G&T gave out?

    It's about boy learning to survive in a world full of monsters.

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    AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Adrien wrote: »
    Duffel wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that the scoutmaster is actually knocked out and the little kid is remembering the scoutmaster's words. They show the master laying on the ground, if he was going to be all "tough love" then they would have shown him getting back up.

    Also, we know very little about the characters so far but I wasn't under the impression that the lookouts were supposed to be some sort of crazy dog-eat-dog, survival-of-the-fittest type organization.

    The working title was "fantasy boy scouts".

    So, yeah. No.

    Did you read the plot details G&T gave out?

    It's about boy learning to survive in a world full of monsters.

    Did you listen to the podcast? They start with the topic "fantasy boy scouts".

    I'm not just pulling this out of my ass :P

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    "Fantast boy scouts" doesn't rule out training that ends with people dying.

    In fact, the clearing full of statues indicates the training has involved that on multiple occasions.

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Did you read the plot details G&T gave out?

    It's about boy learning to survive in a world full of monsters.
    Learning to survive in a world full of monsters =/= ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE

    I think lookouts is supposed to be kind of light and whimsical instead of Dark and Edgy

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    AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    "Fantast boy scouts" doesn't rule out training that ends with people dying.

    In fact, the clearing full of statues indicates the training has involved that on multiple occasions.

    Right, but it's not some kind of four-boys-enter-one-boy-leaves coming-of-age blood ritual.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Oh no, definitely not. But I didn't take survival of the fittest to mean they were necessarily competing against one another either.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Duffel wrote: »
    Did you read the plot details G&T gave out?

    It's about boy learning to survive in a world full of monsters.
    Learning to survive in a world full of monsters =/= ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE

    I think lookouts is supposed to be kind of light and whimsical instead of Dark and Edgy

    When did I say that?

    I'm simply implying the dark tone isn't uncalled for.

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    When did I say that?

    I'm simply implying the dark tone isn't uncalled for.
    Well, I guess you yourself didn't say that but some people seemed to think this was some sort of "Spartan Test" wherein most of the kids died off or something

    So yeah, it's dark right now but given the whole concept I feel fully confident that the lookouts are going to handle it and rescue all the other petrified boys as well, just in time for a marshmallow* roast by the lake.

    *Some kind of nifty fantasy substitute for a marshmallow

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'm enjoying the differentness of these comics, however, I am irked that I have no idea what the heck is going on in them. I have a feeling it might make sense a little later in the series?

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    Manic205Manic205 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'll post my prediction here, since SE++ jumped down my throat when I implied this wasn't the greatest guest strip ever.

    Fat boy returns in the last comic, rushes the basilisk with an improvised eyepatch and his sword, finishing the statement: "...A boy must learn!"

    Or perhaps a blind kid gets him with some ingenuity and dumb luck, but I rather like the eyepatch idea. The Scoutmaster doesn't appear to be shielding his gaze at all when looking in the 'lisk's direction; it would make sense.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Well clearly we need a blind kid to kill the basillisk, I mean they can kill retards (see the village) so basillisks should be easy.

    Honestly this one is harder to follow than the last and again the art while interesting distracts from what little story they are attempting to do. I'm sorry Mike doesn't like what I feel are honest critisms of something that just doesn't line up with expectation.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Not actually a mod. Roaming the streets, waving his gun around.Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited July 2009
    I like the art better in this one, yet find it increasingly inappropriate for this comic, and the story is still vaguely nonsensical.

    Also, the perspective in the first panel is terrible. And I'm not quite sure what's going on the second. The basilisk grabs the two boys and flings them over its shoulder? Bwuh?

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Manic205 wrote: »
    I'll post my prediction here, since SE++ jumped down my throat when I implied this wasn't the greatest guest strip ever.

    Fat boy returns in the last comic, rushes the basilisk with an improvised eyepatch and his sword, finishing the statement: "...A boy must learn!"

    Or perhaps a blind kid gets him with some ingenuity and dumb luck, but I rather like the eyepatch idea. The Scoutmaster doesn't appear to be shielding his gaze at all when looking in the 'lisk's direction; it would make sense.
    Actually I'm pretty sure the kid with black hair is going to slay the basilisk with his dagger. He keeps looking at his reflection in the dagger and we all know the best way to go after a creature with a petrifying gaze.

    Calling it.

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    ProPatriaMoriProPatriaMori Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tall kid got tossed all the way to the next monster. He's done for.

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    chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Duffel wrote: »
    When did I say that?

    I'm simply implying the dark tone isn't uncalled for.
    Well, I guess you yourself didn't say that but some people seemed to think this was some sort of "Spartan Test" wherein most of the kids died off or something

    So yeah, it's dark right now but given the whole concept I feel fully confident that the lookouts are going to handle it and rescue all the other petrified boys as well, just in time for a marshmallow* roast by the lake.

    *Some kind of nifty fantasy substitute for a marshmallow

    I think I brought up the spartan arguement, and I stand by the idea that this is just throwing the retard kids to the basilisk instead of off a cliff.

    or perhaps a way of disposing of the dreaded penis nose mutation.

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tall kid got tossed all the way to the next monster. He's done for.
    Well, ok then, the little blonde kid will do it. I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be the youngest and the least experienced, so him being the one to save the day would be appropriate and cathartic.

    Whoever does it is going to do it by dagger reflection, I almost guarantee it.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    With all those other boys turned to stone you'd think these kid's parents would stop letting this dude take their kids to see the basilisk.

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    MolotovCockatooMolotovCockatoo Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    TheStig wrote: »
    With all those other boys turned to stone you'd think these kid's parents would stop letting this dude take their kids to see the basilisk.

    Well, these are actually all his kids. Dude gets around; I mean check out that rugged eyepatch.

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    No jeez Orik why do you assume the worst about people?

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    Manic205Manic205 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    So do the basilisk and its victim have to be in a staring contest for its stone gaze to work? In the last 2 panels, the Scoutmaster is clearly looking right in its direction.

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    Last SonLast Son Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The way basilisks generally work is that you have to meet its gaze, yes.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Last Son wrote: »
    The way basilisks generally work is that you have to meet its gaze, yes.

    Oh I see, so the youngest kid, naturally being shy and feeble will never make eye contact, making him a natural for slaying basilisk.

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    Manic205Manic205 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I still think there's something to the fat kid's absence.

    Edit: Or at least I hope there is. I'd hate it if one of our brave scouts was really just a wimp who hid behind a statue and then just waddled back in after the conclusion.

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    RichardTauberRichardTauber Kvlt Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I love Lookouts. Best thing since CTS

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Manic205 wrote: »
    I still think there's something to the fat kid's absence.

    Edit: Or at least I hope there is. I'd hate it if one of our brave scouts was really just a wimp who hid behind a statue and then just waddled back in after the conclusion.

    He got swatted away along with the tall kid in panel two.

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