Side note, am I ok with making Luck my dump stat for Serph?
Yep. Unless you're going after the uber boss, Luck and Agility never need to be touched. Go with 1:1:1 str:vit:mag and you'll be unto a god.
Although... if you have the patience, there's an area near the end where it's really, really easy to grind Magic Noises, so you might want to back off on raising Magic too much (as in, over 50 or something) as it'll be easy to grind Noises up to 99 for everyone (and making heaps of cash in the process).
You'll need to be around level 60 to reach that area, so I wouldn't start ignoring Magic ASAP, but it's something to keep in mind.
There're other areas out there to grind for other Noises, but they're not as easy. Except maybe Vitality.
I'll keep that in mind. Although I havent even found a noise yet What is that noise meter all about anyway? It told me that it affects fights, but I wonder how exactly.
Side note, am I ok with making Luck my dump stat for Serph?
Yep. Unless you're going after the uber boss, Luck and Agility never need to be touched. Go with 1:1:1 str:vit:mag and you'll be unto a god.
Although... if you have the patience, there's an area near the end where it's really, really easy to grind Magic Noises, so you might want to back off on raising Magic too much (as in, over 50 or something) as it'll be easy to grind Noises up to 99 for everyone (and making heaps of cash in the process).
You'll need to be around level 60 to reach that area, so I wouldn't start ignoring Magic ASAP, but it's something to keep in mind.
There're other areas out there to grind for other Noises, but they're not as easy. Except maybe Vitality.
But that's not really a necessity unless you're going for the mega boss, at which point you'll practically need to noise grind since having everyone as close to 99 Vit/Mag as possible is a very good idea.
I'll keep that in mind. Although I havent even found a noise yet What is that noise meter all about anyway? It told me that it affects fights, but I wonder how exactly.
Solar Noise doesn't do much, as far as I can tell. The only big thing is affects is how much stores will pay for Cells. The closer you are to Max Solar Noise, the more they'll pay you. Except for Jack Cells - they'll pay more for that at lower Solar Noise levels.
Once Solar Noise hits the minimum level, there's a chance (about 25% I think, but don't quote me on that) your party's ailments are cured (if they get an ailment during the minimum level, you're pretty much screwed until you go through the cycle again - or just cure it with items or magic).
It also affects one other thing once you get to DDS2, but I'll let you find that out for yourself.
I'll keep that in mind. Although I havent even found a noise yet What is that noise meter all about anyway? It told me that it affects fights, but I wonder how exactly.
Solar Noise doesn't do much, as far as I can tell. The only big thing is affects is how much stores will pay for Cells. The closer you are to Max Solar Noise, the more they'll pay you. Except for Jack Cells - they'll pay more for that at lower Solar Noise levels.
Once Solar Noise hits the minimum level, there's a chance (about 25% I think, but don't quote me on that) your party's ailments are cured (if they get an ailment during the minimum level, you're pretty much screwed until you go through the cycle again - or just cure it with items or magic).
It also affects one other thing once you get to DDS2, but I'll let you find that out for yourself.
Ok cool, the cell thing is a really big help. The third level of Devourer look so sweet but also so expensive!
And I'm definatly not going for the mega boss, I've never done that in an SMT game my first time through anyways. Makes for much less grinding.
I love this games story so much... its done exceptionally well so far to lure me in. I actually get giddy when I think about playing it, its weird.
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
DDS1's super boss was the birth and death of the super boss. He was the only one worthy of the title. The rest of the bosses are just damage calculators. You can't even attempt them without a guide for turn weaknesses and a calculator to calculate damage.
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
Although... if you have the patience, there's an area near the end where it's really, really easy to grind Magic Noises, so you might want to back off on raising Magic too much (as in, over 50 or something) as it'll be easy to grind Noises up to 99 for everyone (and making heaps of cash in the process).
You'll need to be around level 60 to reach that area, so I wouldn't start ignoring Magic ASAP, but it's something to keep in mind.
There're other areas out there to grind for other Noises, but they're not as easy. Except maybe Vitality.
Luck is almost as easy to grind as Magic. Vitality on the other hand, must take a bloody long time to grind somebody up to 99.
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Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
It's basically a full-party version of P3's secret boss with a few more bullshit attacks, meaning if you don't keep a sheet of paper on hand to track turns taken and damage done the boss will heal itself to full, instantly kill your party and probably give you the finger.
Not to mention it takes hours to access, because you have to hack your way through I think four other superbosses first and the first two are rare random encounters in the final dungeon.
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
It's basically a full-party version of P3's secret boss with a few more bullshit attacks, meaning if you don't keep a sheet of paper on hand to track turns taken and damage done the boss will heal itself to full, instantly kill your party and probably give you the finger.
Not to mention it takes hours to access, because you have to hack your way through I think four other superbosses first and the first two are rare random encounters in the final dungeon.
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
It's basically a full-party version of P3's secret boss with a few more bullshit attacks, meaning if you don't keep a sheet of paper on hand to track turns taken and damage done the boss will heal itself to full, instantly kill your party and probably give you the finger.
Not to mention it takes hours to access, because you have to hack your way through I think four other superbosses first and the first two are rare random encounters in the final dungeon.
Umm, wow. Really? Thats unbelievably retarded.
Fuck mega bosses.
There's a set of secret bosses before that though that aren't ludicrously powerful and actually have some incentive to victory (one of the ultimate Mantras), but I'm not sure if they're only accessible in a New Game+. Another one gives you a great accessory, though reaching it is a full-game endeavor (basically you'd better have a good grip on Megaten trivia).
Likewise I got through all the DDS1 secret bosses (minus that one) without too much trouble, and it was a nice way to pad gameplay length.
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
I just walked past Noah and grabbed Kaliash from the Vendor in the next room, then came back once I had Freikugel and Masakados (the area by the Save Point, Shop, Fountain of Life, and Cathedral of Shadows is pretty much the best place to grind in the game, it took fifteen minutes to get most of the skills on Kaliash out of the way, at which point I went and cleared the extra dungeon). Noah went down in just a few turns.
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
I just walked past Noah and grabbed Kaliash from the Vendor in the next room, then came back once I had Freikugel and Masakados (the area by the Save Point, Shop, Fountain of Life, and Cathedral of Shadows is pretty much the best place to grind in the game, it took fifteen minutes to get most of the skills on Kaliash out of the way, at which point I went and cleared the extra dungeon). Noah went down in just a few turns.
Hmm I thought you had to get through the bosses to ascend the tower. In my haste to get Masakados it never occured to me to simply walk past the bosses.
Then again I had no idea how fucking boring that fight would be.
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
I just walked past Noah and grabbed Kaliash from the Vendor in the next room, then came back once I had Freikugel and Masakados (the area by the Save Point, Shop, Fountain of Life, and Cathedral of Shadows is pretty much the best place to grind in the game, it took fifteen minutes to get most of the skills on Kaliash out of the way, at which point I went and cleared the extra dungeon). Noah went down in just a few turns.
Holy shit we agree on something. I fucking LOVE Blue Dragon. So damn much.
And yes. I loved how like...every goddamn thing was examinable. It was great. God. Now I wanna play it again...I got over 900 points in that game. Maxed out character levels, every job for every person...Ugh. So much time. Great game. Also got all the DLC and totally destroyed it.
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...I got pissed because I got to disc 2 and my brother corrupted my HDD. Have to start all over and I'll have to do all that barrier grinding again.
If I remember right Ahriman's the only one that blocks the way up directly, you don't have to meet the others to explore the tower (besides the top).
Okay, here's where I screwed up - I forgot Ahriman was the required fight; then just assumed Noah and Baal Avatar were required too.
Well they are, just not right away. Unless you're aligned with their Reason, in which case you're Super Best Friends and can pass violence-free.
Except for Baal Avatar. Baal Avatar is always required because Yosuga is for HOT BLOODED MANLY MEN.
I felt like you were wrong there, so I fixed it.
No, True Demon is for HOT BLOODED MANLY MEN. Yosuga is for assholes.
Let's see, on one hand we FIGHT THE DEVIL AND THEN GOD FUCK YEAH. On the other we slaughter a bunch of harmless spazzing puppet-people because some snotty rich girl had a panic attack and decided that the best way to conquer psychotic bullying monsters is to create a world of psychotic bullying monsters and become the best psychotic bullying monster you can.
Chiaki is dumb and her Reason is dumb and I haaate it, when you suck worse than Isamu you are doing something Wrong
If I remember right Ahriman's the only one that blocks the way up directly, you don't have to meet the others to explore the tower (besides the top).
Okay, here's where I screwed up - I forgot Ahriman was the required fight; then just assumed Noah and Baal Avatar were required too.
Well they are, just not right away. Unless you're aligned with their Reason, in which case you're Super Best Friends and can pass violence-free.
Except for Baal Avatar. Baal Avatar is always required because Yosuga is for HOT BLOODED MANLY MEN.
I felt like you were wrong there, so I fixed it.
No, True Demon is for Nietszche. Yosuga is for assholes.
Fixed again!
Hey so long as we agree that Yosuga is for assholes.
At this point, assholes and hot blooded manly men are pretty much interchangeable in SMT.
In other SMT related stuff, I'm glad I picked up Devil Survivor again (Day 5)
Stuff's starting to get all Lord of the Flies, and I just saw Piggy/Keisuke get smeared by Kaido/Pazuzu. HOLY CRAP. That was way more graphic than I expected to see on the DS.
Oh, also, I kind of sympathized with Chiaki. The scene with her at the night club in particular.
You mean the scene before she went totally fucking crazy? Yeah she was pretty alright then. So was Isamu.
I'd seriously like to know how those two even survived out there. Hikawa can sic demons of his own on people, but what could they have done besides scream and get et?
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Hmm...you know I've never played many of the Atlus games that aren't Persona or Digital Devil. But I'm guessing pretty much every person you can side with being a complete and utter asshole is a common theme for the other SMTs then?
Hmm...you know I've never played many of the Atlus games that aren't Persona or Digital Devil. But I'm guessing pretty much every person you can side with being a complete and utter asshole is a common theme for the other SMTs then?
They all take place after the Apocalypse, so the few survivors tend to get pretty twisted under the stress, yeah.
Typically you wind up with one on the Law side and one on the Chaos side, with a third option existing in Neutral that typically pisses everyone off but results in the fewest number of terrible things happening. That goes for Nocturne as well, with Hikawa being Law and Chiaki being Chaos (and Yuko obviously being Neutral). It's just that Lucifer mixed things up a little more than usual in that iteration. He's usually the mastermind behind the Chaos side instead.
Hmm...you know I've never played many of the Atlus games that aren't Persona or Digital Devil. But I'm guessing pretty much every person you can side with being a complete and utter asshole is a common theme for the other SMTs then?
They all take place after the Apocalypse, so the few survivors tend to get pretty twisted under the stress, yeah.
Typically you wind up with one on the Law side and one on the Chaos side, with a third option existing in Neutral that typically pisses everyone off but results in the fewest number of terrible things happening. That goes for Nocturne as well, with Hikawa being Law and Chiaki being Chaos (and Yuko obviously being Neutral). It's just that Lucifer mixed things up a little more than usual in that iteration. He's usually the mastermind behind the Chaos side instead.
Chiaki is Law actually. You can tell because of the Angels siding with her.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited August 2009
Well, I guess they do a good job of making it hard to pick. I was reading up on Wikipedia about the choices I have and I guess I'll be going with Chikai or Yuko then.
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Hmm...you know I've never played many of the Atlus games that aren't Persona or Digital Devil. But I'm guessing pretty much every person you can side with being a complete and utter asshole is a common theme for the other SMTs then?
They all take place after the Apocalypse, so the few survivors tend to get pretty twisted under the stress, yeah.
Typically you wind up with one on the Law side and one on the Chaos side, with a third option existing in Neutral that typically pisses everyone off but results in the fewest number of terrible things happening. That goes for Nocturne as well, with Hikawa being Law and Chiaki being Chaos (and Yuko obviously being Neutral). It's just that Lucifer mixed things up a little more than usual in that iteration. He's usually the mastermind behind the Chaos side instead.
Chiaki is Law actually. You can tell because of the Angels siding with her.
Her way of thinking is way more Gaian than Messian. Strong rule, weak die. The Angels in Nocturne are just especially screwed up.
Though they act kind of similar in Devil Survivor. Maybe Angels are just murderous.
(Keep in mind, they're not actually angelic beings, they're demons same as everything else, just taking angelic forms based on Christian myth.)
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
I just walked past Noah and grabbed Kaliash from the Vendor in the next room, then came back once I had Freikugel and Masakados (the area by the Save Point, Shop, Fountain of Life, and Cathedral of Shadows is pretty much the best place to grind in the game, it took fifteen minutes to get most of the skills on Kaliash out of the way, at which point I went and cleared the extra dungeon). Noah went down in just a few turns.
Wait, wait wait.
...
You can do this?!
Yeah. The room to Noah is directly to the left of the elevator to the next section. You don't need to beat Noah for the elevator to become operable, the path is clear as soon as you get there.
Even if you want to fight him the "proper" way (as in: fight a mind-numbingly long battle with constantly changing affinities) this is still advisable, since the save point is a very short walk away from where the elevator lets off (along with a Healing Fountain and all that other neat stuff). Focused Freikugel absolutely destroys Noah though (along with everything else in the game, for that matter).
Digital Devil Saga might have the most difficult mega boss in JRPG history and DDS2's mega boss is just a joyless pain in the ass to fight, so that's smart.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
I just walked past Noah and grabbed Kaliash from the Vendor in the next room, then came back once I had Freikugel and Masakados (the area by the Save Point, Shop, Fountain of Life, and Cathedral of Shadows is pretty much the best place to grind in the game, it took fifteen minutes to get most of the skills on Kaliash out of the way, at which point I went and cleared the extra dungeon). Noah went down in just a few turns.
Wait, wait wait.
...
You can do this?!
Yeah. The room to Noah is directly to the left of the elevator to the next section. You don't need to beat Noah for the elevator to become operable, the path is clear as soon as you get there.
Even if you want to fight him the "proper" way (as in: fight a mind-numbingly long battle with constantly changing affinities) this is still advisable, since the save point is a very short walk away from where the elevator lets off (along with a Healing Fountain and all that other neat stuff). Focused Freikugel absolutely destroys Noah though (along with everything else in the game, for that matter).
Yeah, the first time I beat Noah, I only had Zio-spells amongst my mostly physical damage party.
That was the longest hour and a half of gaming ever. "OH GOD WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!"
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I'll keep that in mind. Although I havent even found a noise yet
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Once Solar Noise hits the minimum level, there's a chance (about 25% I think, but don't quote me on that) your party's ailments are cured (if they get an ailment during the minimum level, you're pretty much screwed until you go through the cycle again - or just cure it with items or magic).
It also affects one other thing once you get to DDS2, but I'll let you find that out for yourself.
Ok cool, the cell thing is a really big help. The third level of Devourer look so sweet but also so expensive!
And I'm definatly not going for the mega boss, I've never done that in an SMT game my first time through anyways. Makes for much less grinding.
I love this games story so much... its done exceptionally well so far to lure me in. I actually get giddy when I think about playing it, its weird.
Sounds great. More boring than Noah from Nocturne? Cause that fight was dull.
Luck is almost as easy to grind as Magic. Vitality on the other hand, must take a bloody long time to grind somebody up to 99.
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It's basically a full-party version of P3's secret boss with a few more bullshit attacks, meaning if you don't keep a sheet of paper on hand to track turns taken and damage done the boss will heal itself to full, instantly kill your party and probably give you the finger.
Not to mention it takes hours to access, because you have to hack your way through I think four other superbosses first and the first two are rare random encounters in the final dungeon.
Umm, wow. Really? Thats unbelievably retarded.
Fuck mega bosses.
There's a set of secret bosses before that though that aren't ludicrously powerful and actually have some incentive to victory (one of the ultimate Mantras), but I'm not sure if they're only accessible in a New Game+. Another one gives you a great accessory, though reaching it is a full-game endeavor (basically you'd better have a good grip on Megaten trivia).
Likewise I got through all the DDS1 secret bosses (minus that one) without too much trouble, and it was a nice way to pad gameplay length.
I just walked past Noah and grabbed Kaliash from the Vendor in the next room, then came back once I had Freikugel and Masakados (the area by the Save Point, Shop, Fountain of Life, and Cathedral of Shadows is pretty much the best place to grind in the game, it took fifteen minutes to get most of the skills on Kaliash out of the way, at which point I went and cleared the extra dungeon). Noah went down in just a few turns.
Hmm I thought you had to get through the bosses to ascend the tower. In my haste to get Masakados it never occured to me to simply walk past the bosses.
Then again I had no idea how fucking boring that fight would be.
Wait, wait wait.
...
You can do this?!
Holy shit we agree on something. I fucking LOVE Blue Dragon. So damn much.
And yes. I loved how like...every goddamn thing was examinable. It was great. God. Now I wanna play it again...I got over 900 points in that game. Maxed out character levels, every job for every person...Ugh. So much time. Great game. Also got all the DLC and totally destroyed it.
Okay, here's where I screwed up - I forgot Ahriman was the required fight; then just assumed Noah and Baal Avatar were required too.
Well they are, just not right away. Unless you're aligned with their Reason, in which case you're Super Best Friends and can pass violence-free.
Except for Baal Avatar. Baal Avatar is always required because Yosuga is for assholes.
I felt like you were wrong there, so I fixed it.
No, True Demon is for HOT BLOODED MANLY MEN. Yosuga is for assholes.
Chiaki is dumb and her Reason is dumb and I haaate it, when you suck worse than Isamu you are doing something Wrong
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I'd say Isamu is less insane, though him spending most of the game in a permanent tantrum can gloss that over.
Though Hijiri definitely claims the crown for being completely tweaked, no arguments here.
Fixed again!
Isamu becomes an absolute jerk. Chiaki goes into a homicidal rampage, but she's still nice to Hito. Sort of.
Hey so long as we agree that Yosuga is for assholes.
Isamu's just a whiny bastard. A whiny bastard with an awesome hat.
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At this point, assholes and hot blooded manly men are pretty much interchangeable in SMT.
In other SMT related stuff, I'm glad I picked up Devil Survivor again (Day 5)
You mean the scene before she went totally fucking crazy? Yeah she was pretty alright then. So was Isamu.
I'd seriously like to know how those two even survived out there. Hikawa can sic demons of his own on people, but what could they have done besides scream and get et?
They all take place after the Apocalypse, so the few survivors tend to get pretty twisted under the stress, yeah.
Typically you wind up with one on the Law side and one on the Chaos side, with a third option existing in Neutral that typically pisses everyone off but results in the fewest number of terrible things happening. That goes for Nocturne as well, with Hikawa being Law and Chiaki being Chaos (and Yuko obviously being Neutral). It's just that Lucifer mixed things up a little more than usual in that iteration. He's usually the mastermind behind the Chaos side instead.
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Her way of thinking is way more Gaian than Messian. Strong rule, weak die. The Angels in Nocturne are just especially screwed up.
Though they act kind of similar in Devil Survivor. Maybe Angels are just murderous.
(Keep in mind, they're not actually angelic beings, they're demons same as everything else, just taking angelic forms based on Christian myth.)
Yeah. The room to Noah is directly to the left of the elevator to the next section. You don't need to beat Noah for the elevator to become operable, the path is clear as soon as you get there.
Even if you want to fight him the "proper" way (as in: fight a mind-numbingly long battle with constantly changing affinities) this is still advisable, since the save point is a very short walk away from where the elevator lets off (along with a Healing Fountain and all that other neat stuff). Focused Freikugel absolutely destroys Noah though (along with everything else in the game, for that matter).
Yeah, the first time I beat Noah, I only had Zio-spells amongst my mostly physical damage party.
That was the longest hour and a half of gaming ever. "OH GOD WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!"
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