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Lawnboy360Lawnboy360 Registered User regular
edited December 2006 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey guys and gals.

I've just realized that I'm going to die, and then bam, nothing.

Now, I've known for a while that humans die, and I know I'm not the first one to have such thoughts. I know about existentialism and so on, but usually it was more on an intellectual level. For some reason, I've suddenly come to realize the very concrete nature of my mortality (yeah, fancy wordage. I know). And, well, this is disquieting.

The whole thing is just so ridiculous. Day to day worries seems so unreal when you think about this.

What am I supposed to do now anyway? Become religious and convince myself that there's more to it?

Like, what the hell? I don't know if this is the kind of thing that can be helped with. I'm just freaked out a bit.

I assume this is something pretty much everyone goes through at one point or another...

Please express your thoughts on the matter.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Being a completely materialistic atheist, I'm morbidly terrified of death.

    Of course, that just makes me enjoy life that much more.

    You'll get over it.

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  • saltinesssaltiness Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Umm, enjoy the time you have? Or you can just convert to some form of religion and pretend you're going to heaven when you die.

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  • SpaceMonkeySpaceMonkey Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Yep, life is short, and then you die. After I had that realization, I started having thoughts like "one day, I'm going to wake up, and it's going to be the last day of my life".

    The trick is pretty much to make the most of the time you have. Try and set goals for yourself, and work towards them. Be happy. If something sucks, change it.

    I know it's easier said than done, but it's really about all you can do. You obviously can't live forever, but plan on living out a long, full life, and do what's necessary for you to enjoy your stay here.

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  • Dominic DragonDominic Dragon Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Just don't worry about it. Seriously. Since you're going to die one day, and you can't control that, why dwell on it? You also can't can't control what happens after death, so it doesn't make sense to get obsessed with that either. You're right, too, so much stupid crap in life just isn't worth it when we don't have much time. So just don't worry about it. Since you can't not die, just accept it. I know I'm going to die, yes, but I wonder if I'll ever see my family again, or my dog, etc. I think I will. But you know what? If there is nothing after death, (which I doubt due to energy never being destroyed, thanks Einstein) then nothing will happen. There won't be happiness or sadness, just nothing. Which again I doubt, but if you can't control anything, why worry about it? Enjoy life as much as you can, and go out with a bang.

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    There's all kinds of different ideas you can believe in concerning what happens when you die. You don't even have to be religious.

    What about reincarnation? The law of conservation of energy...the energy that makes you you has to go somewhere when you die, even if it does spread out to a trillion different places.

    Just spend some time trying to nail down what you believe (...no pun intended). Just sit around and think, talk to a good friend, whatever works best for you.

    If you've already decided that you believe there is complete and utter nothingness...well, I've always thought you could achieve immortality by accomplishing something in your lifetime that will be remembered beyond your years.

    Of course, then that philosophy gets shot to shit when you realize that, just like you, all of humanity is going to die out someday, too.

    Oh well.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Lawnboy360 wrote:
    What am I supposed to do now anyway?

    Make the most of the time you have.

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  • JWFokkerJWFokker Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Maybe now you'll have some motivation to go out and do the shit you really want to do in your life instead of procrastinating and never acheiving your goals.

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  • RetoxRetox Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    It's kind of like worrying that you only have 5 toes on each foot. That's just the way it is, you'll get over it, everybody does.
    Lawnboy360 wrote:
    For some reason, I've suddenly come to realize the very concrete nature of my mortality (yeah, fancy wordage. I know).

    Concrete is not a fancy word.

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  • SolventSolvent Econ-artist กรุงเทพมหานครRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    You know what? Existentialism can help you come to terms with this. Or well, perhaps it's not existentialism, I'm not a philosophy major...

    Realise that whether you die or whether you live, it makes absolutely no fucking difference. Being dead has exactly the same significance as being alive. None. So why bother with it? Keep doing what you do, enjoy the ride. Make the best of what you've got. And if you die, well, you knew that was going to happen anyway.

    This is not a pessimistic as it may sound at first.

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  • RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Solvent wrote:
    You know what? Existentialism can help you come to terms with this. Or well, perhaps it's not existentialism, I'm not a philosophy major...

    Realise that whether you die or whether you live, it makes absolutely no fucking difference. Being dead has exactly the same significance as being alive. None. So why bother with it? Keep doing what you do, enjoy the ride. Make the best of what you've got. And if you die, well, you knew that was going to happen anyway.

    This is not a pessimistic as it may sound at first.

    what matters is what we do in life

    be good to one another, and try to leave an impression


    the best anyone can hope for is that they'll be remembered

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    Raneados wrote:
    Solvent wrote:
    You know what? Existentialism can help you come to terms with this. Or well, perhaps it's not existentialism, I'm not a philosophy major...

    Realise that whether you die or whether you live, it makes absolutely no fucking difference. Being dead has exactly the same significance as being alive. None. So why bother with it? Keep doing what you do, enjoy the ride. Make the best of what you've got. And if you die, well, you knew that was going to happen anyway.

    This is not a pessimistic as it may sound at first.

    what matters is what we do in life

    be good to one another, and try to leave an impression


    the best anyone can hope for is that they'll be remembered

    Or be survived by their offspring. That's my ultimate goal. Vehicle for selfish genes and all that.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2006
    realise that everyone around you only gets once chance as well, and try not to fuck it up for them.

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  • aquabataquabat Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    The Cat wrote:
    realise that everyone around you only gets once chance as well, and try not to fuck it up for them.

    ok, muuuum.

    I think the best way to deal with it, is to be as kick arse as possible. Stop dwelling on stupid shit and get out there, much like everyone has said.

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  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I consider it a rather shitty deal personally.

    I mean here we are, moving at ludicrous speeds in a sea of nothing floating around the sun and we have what, a blink of the time that the universe existed to come to terms with it all.

    You can sit there and think about it for a while. I know I did once people in my life started dying, like my parents for one. Then there was my brother who decided to take up drugs and hanging out with hookers. He's also older then I am and until he decided to go down that path, was my only role model.

    Picture the whole fabric of life as you know it unraveling like some intricate tapestry. That's kind of the unique perspective of what I got dealing with all that shit.

    After the dust settled, here I was being stripped of any sense of the previous reality that I had before. Then it dawned on me, rather slowly, but it did. Eventually I'm going to be at the end of it all. What am I going to have to show for it?

    See, that's what motivates me. This could be the one chance I get to experience the myriad facets of what it means to be alive. All that's left now is to try to achieve whatever my heart desires within that construct. It might be a shitty deal but it's still an oportunity.

    Meiz on
  • DrFrylockDrFrylock Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I hate to be the party pooper, but I wouldn't count on that whole reincarnation/eternal life via the conservation of energy thing. It's not the energy, it's the entropy that gets you.

    I get the same terrible feeling from time to time. It bothers me too.

    In general, my response is to introspect and contemplate what I want the meaning and purpose of my life to be. I'm not saying I have a complete answer, but I know a lot more about what I want now and I work a little bit more toward it every day.

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  • kingmetalkingmetal Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I am non-religious but I believe in reincarnation just to qualm my fears on this very issue. it's like a natural defense mechanism. why not believe, right? no harm in it and you can't really prove it one way or the other.

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  • xcrunner17xcrunner17 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    How exactly do you know that existentialism is right? Existence itself naturally brings about life. Shouldn't that point you into some direction that possibly you are meant to be a alive?

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  • DynamiteKidDynamiteKid Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Yep, life is short, and then you die.

    That line would be so much better in 'We Can Work It Out.' 'Life is very short/and then you die.'

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    What always strikes me as odd about this debate is that, as far as we know, we are the only species who seeks a "meaning of life" or a significance to our existence. Dogs and monkey and flowers and fungi don't think about how they should live, or how they'll be remembered, or what is the right way to live. Our knowledge of mortality is at once a great blessing and curse to our species.

    Of course, I suppose there is a possibility that dogs and whatever DO think about that and we just can't perceive it, but that seems unlikely to me.

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  • Mad JazzMad Jazz gotta go fast AustinRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Yep, life is short, and then you die.

    That line would be so much better in 'We Can Work It Out.' 'Life is very short/and then you die.'

    ...and there's no tiiii-ii-ii-iii-iiiime for fussing and fighting my friend... :wink:


    Just do your thing, be a good person, don't fuck up anyone else's shit, and be generally kickass. That's my philosophy.

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  • CasketCasket __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2006
    What may happen someday though, is that entropy will reverse, and the Universe will play backwards, meaning you will come back to life, and eventually go back into the womb and phase from existence.

    But then the entropy will reverse again, and the universe will start moving in the forward direction, meaning you shall be born again.


    Always living the same life, over and over, forever.

    So make sure it's a good one, and make sure you don't get aborted.


    And no, you can't "do something" different with each new change of entropy, otherwise you would have already done it. You are predestined.

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  • #14#14 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Casket wrote:
    What may happen someday though, is that entropy will reverse, and the Universe will play backwards, meaning you will come back to life, and eventually go back into the womb and phase from existence.

    But then the entropy will reverse again, and the universe will start moving in the forward direction, meaning you shall be born again.


    Always living the same life, over and over, forever.

    So make sure it's a good one, and make sure you don't get aborted.


    And no, you can't "do something" different with each new change of entropy, otherwise you would have already done it. You are predestined.

    What?

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  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I think he's reffering to the "Big Crunch" theory, which considering current studies, doesen't look very plausible.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Do whatever you want, cuz you'll die in the end anyways.

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  • Dr_KeenbeanDr_Keenbean Dumb as a butt Planet Express ShipRegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Lawnboy360 wrote:
    Hey guys and gals.

    I've just realized that I'm going to die, and then bam, nothing.

    Now, I've known for a while that humans die, and I know I'm not the first one to have such thoughts. I know about existentialism and so on, but usually it was more on an intellectual level. For some reason, I've suddenly come to realize the very concrete nature of my mortality (yeah, fancy wordage. I know). And, well, this is disquieting.

    The whole thing is just so ridiculous. Day to day worries seems so unreal when you think about this.

    What am I supposed to do now anyway? Become religious and convince myself that there's more to it?

    Like, what the hell? I don't know if this is the kind of thing that can be helped with. I'm just freaked out a bit.

    I assume this is something pretty much everyone goes through at one point or another...

    Please express your thoughts on the matter.

    This happens to me periodically like when I'm driving alone. I practically need to pull over I get so terrified.

    99% of the time I just manage to distract myself. Basically I'm lucky. i have a good job that I like. I have a decent amount of time to do what i enjoy. I have a very functional family who is there for me when I need help. I have good friends to spend time with. And I have a wonderful girl that makes me forget about the depressing nature of mortality.

    Surely you must have at least one of those things to help you through it.

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  • Captain AwesomeftwCaptain Awesomeftw Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Lawnboy360 wrote:
    Hey guys and gals.

    I've just realized that I'm going to die, and then bam, nothing.

    Now, I've known for a while that humans die, and I know I'm not the first one to have such thoughts. I know about existentialism and so on, but usually it was more on an intellectual level. For some reason, I've suddenly come to realize the very concrete nature of my mortality (yeah, fancy wordage. I know). And, well, this is disquieting.

    The whole thing is just so ridiculous. Day to day worries seems so unreal when you think about this.

    What am I supposed to do now anyway? Become religious and convince myself that there's more to it?

    Like, what the hell? I don't know if this is the kind of thing that can be helped with. I'm just freaked out a bit.

    I assume this is something pretty much everyone goes through at one point or another...

    Please express your thoughts on the matter.

    I'm an atheist, and had to struggle with the same realization myself.

    I was raised Christian, but my intellect wouldn't allow me to buy into that stuff after I sat down to evaluate it for what it was. Same goes for other religions, reincarnation, spirituality, etc. I concluded that when I die, I will just stop moving and decompose. End of story.

    Two ways to make yourself feel better about your impending doom: Make a mark on the world. I'm an artist, and rest well at night in the smug knowledge that even though nations rise and fall, people are born and then die, tv shows are created and then canceled, art is more or less eternal, and even when I'm rotting the art I create will allow me to reach out and touch people from beyond the grave.

    You could also have kids if that's your thing, but I hear they inevitably become everything you hate 9 times out of 10.

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  • crakecrake Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    It's kinda like the lottery. Ya, I might win and get epix in my afterlife, or maybe I'm just vendor trash. In the mean time, make the most of what you have. (by playing world of warcraft, apparently)

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I'm an atheist, and had to struggle with the same realization myself.

    I was raised Christian, but my intellect wouldn't allow me to buy into that stuff after I sat down to evaluate it for what it was. Same goes for other religions, reincarnation, spirituality, etc. I concluded that when I die, I will just stop moving and decompose. End of story.

    Two ways to make yourself feel better about your impending doom: Make a mark on the world. I'm an artist, and rest well at night in the smug knowledge that even though nations rise and fall, people are born and then die, tv shows are created and then canceled, art is more or less eternal, and even when I'm rotting the art I create will allow me to reach out and touch people from beyond the grave.

    You could also have kids if that's your thing, but I hear they inevitably become everything you hate 9 times out of 10.

    Awesome, that's pretty much exactly what I think, myself. The only difference is that I'm agnostic and was raised Jewish (my dad is an athiest, my mother is Jewish). I'm also an artist, and can identify with pretty much everything else you said.


    To the OP: making an impression on the world is a good way, I've found, to comfort yourself a bit. Lots of things can do that - something as simple as planting a tree, writing something, or drawing something. Another thing I've found that helps me is by helping people - just a small, daily thing. It's another way to "live on" - through peoples' memories. I think, "if I can make a good impression on this person, or brighten up their day a bit, they may remember something about me decades from now"...of course, it's not all for selfish reasons, I do like helping people in general...but yeah, don't worry about this - it's typically only a momentary freak-out. I went through a big one a few years ago, and periodically go through a tiny one. It does get easier to deal with as time goes on, though. I've gotten to the point where I'm accepting of the fact, and it's pretty nice.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Why worry about something you have absolutely no control over?

    If you die, and there's nothing after death, well, you won't care, because you won't exist. (this reminds me of Gabe being afraid of anti-anxiety drugs)

    Or, if you believe in an afterlife that requires an entrance fee, go ahead and start helping old ladies cross streets and nursing injured Robins back to health.

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Ruckus wrote:
    Why worry about something you have absolutely no control over?

    If you die, and there's nothing after death, well, you won't care, because you won't exist. (this reminds me of Gabe being afraid of anti-anxiety drugs)

    Or, if you believe in an afterlife that requires an entrance fee, go ahead and start helping old ladies cross streets and nursing injured Robins back to health.

    I think that's one of the reasons why it IS something to worry about - you don't have any control over it, you can't change it, it is inevitable.

    That and the fact that you don't know when it'll happen, how it will happen, for how long it will happen, or what. So the time we have to live is limited, but nobody knows by how much.

    Not to perpetuate any anxiety on it :wink: ...but that's what I imagine causes the most grief.

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  • Lawnboy360Lawnboy360 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Well, I seem to be back to my "normal" mindset. Obviously I'm still going to die, but even if I think about it, it's like my mind refuses to take it seriously.

    In addition to the mortality thing, I've had my first lucid dream the same night. Something strange is going on in there.

    I've been reading a lot of pop-neuropsychology lately. Fascinating stuff... split-brain patients for example. It's kinda hard to take our "self" seriously when, as far as I can tell, it's all just a very sophisticated system to keep us alive and replicating. We're not necessarily capable of coming to a complete understading of ourselves or the universe.

    At least we are smart enough to plan an happier life, taking into account our innate needs and desires. We are adaptive. Yay for humans!

    As for "concrete" not being a fancy word. Well, I'm a non-native english speaker so yeah, I've got no idea.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I just want to say that if you are going to be religious, be sure you aren't going to be one of those idiots who goes into church every sunday just to pay lip service to God and think that they will be saved because if there is a God, I don't think he will let them into heaven with minimum effort.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Death just happens.

    But life requires effort.

    Just go out and enjoy life and make sure in doing so you at the very least don't stop anyone from enjoy their lives, and, even better, enjoy life together and spread that joy of life with all your heart in whichever manner suits your nature best.

    Take care of yourself, get educated, get a good job, and make sure you find a reason to honestly smile to yourself every day.

    Few fates are better than, on your death bed, being able to pass on with a smile of satisfaction at all the years now behind you, and with your tears only for those who did not enjoy the same.

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  • catalystcatalyst Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    I swear the OP has read my mind.

    I was sitting in the library contemplating this exact same issue, completely terrified and woozy. I have always considered death, but I guess I've grown up and realized I am not the center of the universe anymore.

    What brings me down into a deep, dark sense of fear is that there have been millions of people before us. Where do they all go? What makes us think we are so special and that we will go to a better place?

    Personally, I have no idea. I'm struggling with religion at the moment but I honestly believe that the human spirit is far too complex to just be something that is born and then dies.

    Whenever I feel this horrible dispair, like I've figured there will be nothing after my death, I look at really beautiful pictures taken of outer space and stars. Those pictures are the most sobering thing to me, there is so much out there we don't know, how do we presume to know there is nothing after our bodies cease to live? In my opinion, there are far too many mysteries in this existence to rely on logic alone to explain.

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  • Sharp10rSharp10r Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    You know, to be religious, you don't have to ignore your intellect, in fact, contrary to popular belief and practice, God shuns it in The Bible. I'll be blunt: I'm a Christian, but not by some blind leap of faith in the dark, or because I'm swept away by some overemotional burnin'-in-the-bosom experience. No, I'm a Christian because the worldview of Theism is rational, and that Theistic God has revealed himself in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament.

    I hate posting this on here, because I know how hated Christians are on the forum. But, if you really do realize that you are going to die, then you owe it to yourself to investigate the truth about existence.

    This site has some very logical reasons to examine Theism and after that Christianity. PM me if you want to talk/debate more about this. Best wishes.

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  • AmiguAmigu Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Think about it this way. When you're dead it doesn't matter anyway. You aren't just trapped in a dead body or something, you just become a lifeless object and return to the ground.

    Nothing to worry about if you can't worry anymore once it's happened! Just think about what makes your life good now at this moment.

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  • Lawnboy360Lawnboy360 Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Sharp10r wrote:
    This site has some very logical reasons to examine Theism and after that Christianity. PM me if you want to talk/debate more about this. Best wishes.

    I've been wondering why people believe in organized religion, which to me is a lot less understandable than just a belief in some sort of "supernatural entity". Hopefully this site will help me understand another POV. Bookmarked...

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  • CheezyCheezy Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    That website is full of the same debunked arguments that creationists have been using for years. Nothing new, folks.

    On the subject of death, yeah, you're going to die. So will everyone else. All I can say is make your mark while you're here. Personally, compared to things like hell and heaven, I think oblivion is a nice option.

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  • YehoshuaYehoshua Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Don't worry about it dude, because if it will make you feel better, we're really just advanced robots and free-will is an illusion.

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  • grueslayahgrueslayah Registered User regular
    edited December 2006
    Personally, I believe that there's a point to this life. Otherwise, why would we be here?

    Seriously, think about it; personally, it makes more sense to believe in God and believe that there's a purpose than it does to say that there is no purpose.

    I find it more plausible that there is a God and that we are important and loved in his eyes and that we're here for a purpose than I do that existence itself (not evolution, not any of that other stuff, just existence itself) just kinda...happened.

    But again, that's me. I can tell you this much, if you're in doubt, find out for yourself! Don't be afraid of what a bunch of forumers will think if you do or don't want to believe in God. My own advice, though? Even if there is no God, which I say there is, it can't hurt to try praying to him to see if he'll give you some sort of answer...and don't just try once for half a minute and give up...try, and if you really want to know badly enough, I can at least give my personal promise that God'll respond.

    I'll just close quoting a scripture from the bible...take it for what it is.: James 1:5: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not (doesn't hold back), and it shall be given him"

    Now, the rest of you can go and tear this to shreds, or just let it ride like the rest of your opinions.

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