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Alright, fellow posters, I'm hoping you can help me.
I'm about to try PC gaming for the first time, and was wondering if you all could recommend a solid (but not super expensive) keyboard and mouse for gaming that will make this as painless as possible. Specifically I'm wondering if I can learn how to control an FPS through a mouse and keyboard, but of course I'll be playing other games as well.
So do you have any recommendations on a mouse and keyboard? Or even, recommendations on actually using the things? :P
I'm not sure what snazzy mice everyone uses these days, but your standard MS keyboard should suffice for gaming. As for using them, what type of recommendations are you looking for? Configuration, strategy..?
I'm not sure what snazzy mice everyone uses these days, but your standard MS keyboard should suffice for gaming. As for using them, what type of recommendations are you looking for? Configuration, strategy..?
I'm a pretty terrible twitch gamer, so I can't help you in that department. You can do like some and practice with one game to the point where you're competitive, but I've never been fond of the idea of only playing one game. As for configuration: I use the standard WASD setup, though some use ESDF to utilize more keys. Most newer games have mouselook, so your left and right will be strafe keys. And mouse sensitivity/inversion depends entirely on you. I lean towards low sensitivity because I tend to overcompensate when I turn, so..
the logitech mx518 and up are great gaming mice (the G7 is damn awesome, but the mx518 is much cheaper and still awesome)
as for keyboards. the logitech g15 maybe?
Personally I like the feel of the Razer keyboard, thinking about paying for that overpriced piece of work. For mice I've been using an old Microsoft Intellimouse 3 for years, I'll be starting with them before I look anywhere else.
For mice I've been using an old Microsoft Intellimouse 3 for years, I'll be starting with them before I look anywhere else.
This. The first optical mouse I ever got, up until it died on me and I replaced it with a newer revision (think it was 4.0).
The new version was horrible (perhaps not necessarily bad per se, but just not meant for gaming), but somehow managed to last longer. When it did finally die, Microsoft brought back version 3, so I got that and have been using it since.
It's nothing fancy (think it only comes out to about 300 dpi), but it works, and has a "ribbed" scroll wheel as opposed to the smooth ones that come with other mice. Pretty much all gaming mice have them, but yeah.
I have heard good things about the Sidewinder X8, but I'm not sure how it compares to others.
As for a keyboard, I'm just using the Microsoft Comfort Curve keyboard. As the name implies, it's slightly curvy to be ergonomic, but doesn't have the split down the middle.
I feel like a shill because I'm constantly recommending it. But the Sidewinder x8 is the best mouse I've ever owned.
Wireless rechargable (and you can recharge while still using it since the wire attaches via magnets, rather than be a mount that you rest the mouse on), multiple dpi settings, programmable buttons (but not too many), a macro button if you swing that way, good weight and you can swap out the mouse feet for different levels of resistance. Got mine for about $70, not sure if that's outside your price range.
Edit: As for keyboards, I admit I went kind of expensive and got the logitech ergonomic keyboard. Which is a butterfly board and split down the middle, but I find it particularly comfortable. It was around $100 when I got it but that was about two years ago now.
yea, the X8 is pretty much my favorite mouse ever, supplanting the Logitech G7.
As for a keyboard, just get one you're comfortable typing on. If you're just getting started with PC gaming you're likely not going to be taking advantage of any "features" that "gaming keyboards" provide anyway. I personally use the apple keyboard with numpad because I enjoy the style of the keys and think it's a good typing experience, but that's totally personal preference.
I just ordered the MS Natural 4000 since I type all day at work. At home I use a laptop, so a keyboard won't really do much for me there.
I wish more devices supported bluetooth, than use 2.4GHz with dongles. Is there really a benefit to using wireless instead of bluetooth? I just like that the bluetooth receiver is built into my laptop, so no dongle sticking out.
It's because bluetooth kinda sucks, especially if you're gaming. it can be *really* laggy.
Yeah i had to return a mouse/keyboard bluetooth combo because it was always crapping out on me and the mouse was extremely laggy for what i was using it for, and the whole set cost a lot considering how bad it was. It was some microsoft higher-end combo, i avoided MS keyboards and mice ever since.
bluetooth is absolute shit for gaming, don't even try it
the minimum latency is something around 80 ms or so, not really annoying when working, but games are impossible to enjoy with a bluetooth mouse/keyboard
regular wireless can (and do) work, but I prefer wires :P
Keyboard is easy, unless you use alot of macro's just get a cheap microsoft/logitech. Mouse is more a personal preference type of thing, its like fitting a shoe. Some respectable brands are Logitech, Razer and Microsoft. There were some other brands that should be pretty good as well I thought it was Steelseries/A4Tech and OCZ.
Logitech is always good, even their cheap stuff is good standard.
Don't get wireless anything, eats batteries, disconnects and general more hassle than a 5 foot wire.
I have a Razer Diamondback 3G mouse. It works very well for me. 7 buttons, 1800dpi or something around there I believe. Instant sensitivity adjustment. And it's symmetric. I hate asymmetric mice.
So do you have any recommendations on a mouse and keyboard? Or even, recommendations on actually using the things? :P
Just try out the ergonomics in a shop and go for the one that feels most comfortable. And go for something with 1000 or more dpi, adjustable if possible.
The logitech MX518 mouse is excellent. I've had mine for years, and have used it so much that pain on the logitech logo has mostly worn off, but it still works fine.
I've had an old hard plastic style (looks like they don't make them anymore either /cry) Everglide mouse pad for probably 10 years now and the only thing wrong with it is the label has worn off otherwise it works just great. I might of paid more for it at the time but its lasted.
Speaking of Everglide does anyone make those hard plastic thick mouse pads anymore? It seems a lot of the "gaming" mouse pads these days are really really thin and wimpy feeling.
As for keyboards I have heard that the Logitech G15 with its small LCD is amazing for displaying stuff like vent info and at least by the wiki entry even some games and apps (xfire) have native support for it. Honestly though I'm not a fan of fancy keyboards and mice. I just want something that feels good to my fingers because I'm probably not going to be looking at it. I find the cheaper microsoft keyboards and mice to be comfortable with just the right amount of buttons.
Should I have gotten a mouse with more than the standard three buttons?
I still have the receipt for my unopened $10 mouse!
Meh only if you can think of a use for them. I use mine in TF2 (zoom, stickies, spin up) and for Web Browsing (Back and Forwards) buts thats it. Not essential.
Logitech is always good, even their cheap stuff is good standard. Don't get wireless anything, eats batteries, disconnects and general more hassle than a 5 foot wire.
Red'd for lies.
the X8 ha zero issues with disconnections, and the battery lasts me nearly 3 weeks. The Logitech G7 I used before also never once had connection issues, and the battery would last me 3 days, but it came with 2 hot swappable batteries so it wasn't an issue.
What you say of wireless products is true, if the year is 2005. In 2009, not so much.
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Both configuration and strategy! 8-)
as for keyboards. the logitech g15 maybe?
Personally I like the feel of the Razer keyboard, thinking about paying for that overpriced piece of work. For mice I've been using an old Microsoft Intellimouse 3 for years, I'll be starting with them before I look anywhere else.
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Logitech Internet Keyboard (~10$)
Logitech Mx 518 Mouse (~40$, but I have seen it for less, too)
Razer Goliathus Speed Oversized 444mm x 355mm x 4.3mm (~20$)
If you don't want an oversized mousepad (and it's really damn big), there's a smaller one.
I spent the money (prolly around $20) on a funcpad back in 2003 or so and never looked back.
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This minus mousepad = perfect.
This. The first optical mouse I ever got, up until it died on me and I replaced it with a newer revision (think it was 4.0).
The new version was horrible (perhaps not necessarily bad per se, but just not meant for gaming), but somehow managed to last longer. When it did finally die, Microsoft brought back version 3, so I got that and have been using it since.
It's nothing fancy (think it only comes out to about 300 dpi), but it works, and has a "ribbed" scroll wheel as opposed to the smooth ones that come with other mice. Pretty much all gaming mice have them, but yeah.
I have heard good things about the Sidewinder X8, but I'm not sure how it compares to others.
As for a keyboard, I'm just using the Microsoft Comfort Curve keyboard. As the name implies, it's slightly curvy to be ergonomic, but doesn't have the split down the middle.
Wireless rechargable (and you can recharge while still using it since the wire attaches via magnets, rather than be a mount that you rest the mouse on), multiple dpi settings, programmable buttons (but not too many), a macro button if you swing that way, good weight and you can swap out the mouse feet for different levels of resistance. Got mine for about $70, not sure if that's outside your price range.
Edit: As for keyboards, I admit I went kind of expensive and got the logitech ergonomic keyboard. Which is a butterfly board and split down the middle, but I find it particularly comfortable. It was around $100 when I got it but that was about two years ago now.
As for a keyboard, just get one you're comfortable typing on. If you're just getting started with PC gaming you're likely not going to be taking advantage of any "features" that "gaming keyboards" provide anyway. I personally use the apple keyboard with numpad because I enjoy the style of the keys and think it's a good typing experience, but that's totally personal preference.
I wish more devices supported bluetooth, than use 2.4GHz with dongles. Is there really a benefit to using wireless instead of bluetooth? I just like that the bluetooth receiver is built into my laptop, so no dongle sticking out.
Yeah i had to return a mouse/keyboard bluetooth combo because it was always crapping out on me and the mouse was extremely laggy for what i was using it for, and the whole set cost a lot considering how bad it was. It was some microsoft higher-end combo, i avoided MS keyboards and mice ever since.
the minimum latency is something around 80 ms or so, not really annoying when working, but games are impossible to enjoy with a bluetooth mouse/keyboard
regular wireless can (and do) work, but I prefer wires :P
Don't get wireless anything, eats batteries, disconnects and general more hassle than a 5 foot wire.
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MS Natural 4000
MS SideWinder Mouse ( cabled )
5 year old Ratpadz mousepad
Just try out the ergonomics in a shop and go for the one that feels most comfortable. And go for something with 1000 or more dpi, adjustable if possible.
Probably just get the standard Logitech optical mouse as well.
I've had an old hard plastic style (looks like they don't make them anymore either /cry) Everglide mouse pad for probably 10 years now and the only thing wrong with it is the label has worn off otherwise it works just great. I might of paid more for it at the time but its lasted.
Speaking of Everglide does anyone make those hard plastic thick mouse pads anymore? It seems a lot of the "gaming" mouse pads these days are really really thin and wimpy feeling.
As for keyboards I have heard that the Logitech G15 with its small LCD is amazing for displaying stuff like vent info and at least by the wiki entry even some games and apps (xfire) have native support for it. Honestly though I'm not a fan of fancy keyboards and mice. I just want something that feels good to my fingers because I'm probably not going to be looking at it. I find the cheaper microsoft keyboards and mice to be comfortable with just the right amount of buttons.
I still have the receipt for my unopened $10 mouse!
Meh only if you can think of a use for them. I use mine in TF2 (zoom, stickies, spin up) and for Web Browsing (Back and Forwards) buts thats it. Not essential.
Bunting, Owls and Cushions! Feecloud Designs
Red'd for lies.
the X8 ha zero issues with disconnections, and the battery lasts me nearly 3 weeks. The Logitech G7 I used before also never once had connection issues, and the battery would last me 3 days, but it came with 2 hot swappable batteries so it wasn't an issue.
What you say of wireless products is true, if the year is 2005. In 2009, not so much.