Also I don't think anyone is saying those are the final and only textures if they were the new races. Just masks.
In fact I kinda fail to see what started the conversation in the first place. Those are masks for Halloween, correct? So where is the logical jump made that they are going to be new races?
Can you not read the last... two pages? I know its a lot, but hey, you might find the information you are looking for. Reading. ITS CRAZY.
Thanks for the douchey non-answer, but I did read. Maybe, because 99% of what has been on the last couple of pages has been nothing but theorizing, I missed it.
The current speculation of why they could be the new player races is thusly:
1) Current Halloween masks portray only player races, and these are Halloween masks of goblins and worgen.
2) There have been no female worgen before, but there's one on the mask. It could be concluded that this means worgen will be a playable race, as no one really cares if there are females of NPC Race X, but there'd be hell to pay if you couldn't make a female version of one of the playable races.
Also I don't think anyone is saying those are the final and only textures if they were the new races. Just masks.
In fact I kinda fail to see what started the conversation in the first place. Those are masks for Halloween, correct? So where is the logical jump made that they are going to be new races?
Can you not read the last... two pages? I know its a lot, but hey, you might find the information you are looking for. Reading. ITS CRAZY.
Thanks for the douchey non-answer, but I did read. Maybe, because 99% of what has been on the last couple of pages has been nothing but theorizing, I missed it.
The current speculation of why they could be the new player races is thusly:
1) Current Halloween masks portray only player races, and these are Halloween masks of goblins and worgen.
2) There have been no female worgen before, but there's one on the mask. It could be concluded that this means worgen will be a playable race, as no one really cares if there are females of NPC Race X, but there'd be hell to pay if you couldn't make a female version of one of the playable races.
Thanks. A summary of facts in a sea of speculation is much appreciated.
Goblins and Worgen are new races. Now then. What classes are available for them? Or are they, perhaps, classes of their own? Hero classes that is. Goblins a ranged support class, Worgen a melee class perhaps?
And if they're just out and out new races, classes for them would be what? Warrior for both? No casters for goblins, because that's not what they do.
I don't see why they couldn't use magic. Gnomes are more technically inclined and they have mages and warlocks. In fact, isn't there a goblin warlock in durotar?
Also I don't think anyone is saying those are the final and only textures if they were the new races. Just masks.
In fact I kinda fail to see what started the conversation in the first place. Those are masks for Halloween, correct? So where is the logical jump made that they are going to be new races?
Can you not read the last... two pages? I know its a lot, but hey, you might find the information you are looking for. Reading. ITS CRAZY.
Thanks for the douchey non-answer, but I did read. Maybe, because 99% of what has been on the last couple of pages has been nothing but theorizing, I missed it.
Its... at the top of the page ages ago. And by ages ago, I mean the page before you asked.
Also I don't think anyone is saying those are the final and only textures if they were the new races. Just masks.
In fact I kinda fail to see what started the conversation in the first place. Those are masks for Halloween, correct? So where is the logical jump made that they are going to be new races?
Can you not read the last... two pages? I know its a lot, but hey, you might find the information you are looking for. Reading. ITS CRAZY.
Thanks for the douchey non-answer, but I did read. Maybe, because 99% of what has been on the last couple of pages has been nothing but theorizing, I missed it.
Its... at the top of the page ages ago. And by ages ago, I mean the page before you asked.
Unless you have your posts/page set differently, it's not at the TOTP.
But don't worry about it anymore, someone else was already helpful.
Unless you have your posts/page set differently, it's not at the TOTP.
But don't worry about it anymore, someone else was already helpful.
You posted page 27, read the top of the page 26.
That's a question, thrown in with a bunch of other speculation posts.
I don't know what your issue is here. I asked for a summary of what the evidence is behind these being the new races, because there's very little actual evidence and a bunch of posts of people throwing out ideas. That's fine, I just wanted to know what the facts were. I'm sure others who are skimming or checking out the most recent pages would be helped by that too.
No need to be all "l2read" about me asking a relevant question.
Varian allowing Worgen into the alliance would be strange as hell. He always seemed like a xenophobic douche, him welcoming in werewolf monsters from another dimension would be weird.
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well the worgen would likely be the residents of gilneas, hidden behind the graymane wall for so long
the goblins would just be a particular trade prince who decides to offer permanent services to the horde
really the why is not the issue here.
The issue is Gilneas built the wall to display not wanting to have anything to do with the Alliance.
Politics might change when your entire country gets turned into slavering evil Worgen.
You're talking about werewolf men, evil or not, possibly joining with the Alliance - who hate the tauren on the basis of them being "cow people" (or I guess allied with the Horde). Really, the Alliance is unlikely to accept anyone on account of their unwavering position of being racist as fuck.
Except worgen can look like normal people now. It makes me wonder if they will incorporate this somehow into the game; maybe worgen will look like more feral humans with a shapechange racial.
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Except worgen can look like normal people now. It makes me wonder if they will incorporate this somehow into the game; maybe worgen will look like more feral humans with a shapechange racial.
Yes, they look like normal people during the day when not in their feral state. Are you suggesting Blizzard incorporates a race whose gameplay functions change at day and night? I have yet to see a partially-mutated worgan, and that would be fucking awful.
Except worgen can look like normal people now. It makes me wonder if they will incorporate this somehow into the game; maybe worgen will look like more feral humans with a shapechange racial.
Yes, they look like normal people during the day when not in their feral state. Are you suggesting Blizzard incorporates a race whose gameplay functions change at day and night? I have yet to see a partially-mutated worgan, and that would be fucking awful.
Maybe some kind of souped-up racial ability?. Like, they play as a regular human class, but at any time you can metamorph into worgen form and do more damage or something. Kinda like stances/presence/shapshifting.
It would be changing the game a huge deal though. You're turning a racial, something that's always been just a very minor bonus, and turning it into nearly a class defining ability. You'd also have to completely overhaul the other racials in the game, given that they'd now be woefully antiquated.
Actually, scratch that. That's too much work for lazy ol' Blizzard for just one race. They'll just go with half morphed worgens.
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Nah, you'd ditch the day/night thing and just have a shapechange option, just like, say, shaman travel form. Maybe do +AP -Spirit or something.
If I were designing it, I would balance the race under the premise that they were ALWAYS in worgen form as opposed to baseline human plus a big racial, but still give them the toggle on/off shapechange ability. No one would bat an eye at leaving it on all the time; look at boomkin or tree form for comparison.
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It's not a matter of too much work, it wouldn't fit the nature of an MMORPG period.
Except worgen can look like normal people now. It makes me wonder if they will incorporate this somehow into the game; maybe worgen will look like more feral humans with a shapechange racial.
Yes, they look like normal people during the day when not in their feral state. Are you suggesting Blizzard incorporates a race whose gameplay functions change at day and night? I have yet to see a partially-mutated worgan, and that would be fucking awful.
Maybe some kind of souped-up racial ability?. Like, they play as a regular human class, but at any time you can metamorph into worgen form and do more damage or something. Kinda like stances/presence/shapshifting.
It would be changing the game a huge deal though. You're turning a racial, something that's always been just a very minor bonus, and turning it into nearly a class defining ability. You'd also have to completely overhaul the other racials in the game, given that they'd now be woefully antiquated.
Actually, scratch that. That's too much work for lazy ol' Blizzard for just one race. They'll just go with half morphed worgens.
I was also thinking, what if Worgen were a new Alliance class instead of race. Shapeshifting Druid style and whatnot. They could be a hybrid melee DPS / Caster or some such.
I know it doesn't fit at all with the Worgen/Goblin races evidence, but I think them being a class instead of a race would be a lot cooler. And because of the shapeshifting, it would fit with the lore. I mean even warlocks have to train in "secret" in stormwind, so the shapeshifting worgen thing could be approached the same way.
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When does Blizzcon come around? Not soon enough I feel.
It's not a matter of too much work, it wouldn't fit the nature of an MMORPG period.
Um. Gonna have to disagree with that blanket statement, there. Shapechanging has existed in WoW and several other MMO's, and tying it to a race instead of a class isn't exactly a huge jump in logic.
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It's not a matter of too much work, it wouldn't fit the nature of an MMORPG period.
Um. Gonna have to disagree with that blanket statement, there. Shapechanging has existed in WoW and several other MMO's, and tying it to a race instead of a class isn't exactly a huge jump in logic.
Was just about to say this too. It's a big change to be sure, but it's the same exact mechanic.
But now that I've put it out there, I can see that it's too tall an order. People will start demanding that X class be Y race if the racials become too powerful like that.
It reminds me of FFXI, where any race could be any class, but nobody wants a Galka white mage because their MP is complete shit.
...Or closer to home, how everybody wanted dwarf priests because of Fear Ward.
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I don't see any reason why they couldn't shapeshift. Just make the Worgen form the standard combat form with normal stats, and the human form a "diplomacy"/roleplay form with reduced stats (think Rez Sickness). You'd get to keep the lore of Worgens shapeshifting, but in combat situations they'd always be Worgen.
Still Datamining is bad
There are things in the current files that will be never used
They might have added the masks for an overhauled Halloween event for all levels to enjoy
Gilanes dumps into Silverpine a horde questing area
Where would the goblins come from then? They could do Undermine but that closes that area for 1-20 then
New races are just a bad idea after the Draenei/blood elf mess
It's not a matter of too much work, it wouldn't fit the nature of an MMORPG period.
Um. Gonna have to disagree with that blanket statement, there. Shapechanging has existed in WoW and several other MMO's, and tying it to a race instead of a class isn't exactly a huge jump in logic.
Was just about to say this too. It's a big change to be sure, but it's the same exact mechanic.
But now that I've put it out there, I can see that it's too tall an order. People will start demanding that X class be Y race if the racials become too powerful like that.
It reminds me of FFXI, where any race could be any class, but nobody wants a Galka white mage because their MP is complete shit.
...Or closer to home, how everybody wanted dwarf priests because of Fear Ward.
That's my point though. You balance under the assumption the character will be in worgen form all the time. You don't balance feral powers on the off-chance that a feral druid will want to melee stuff out of cat or bear form, because that would be stupid. Do the same with worgen: give the worgen form a small bonus, but tone down their other racials to compensate.
Hell, one draenai now gives 1% hit to their entire freaking raid; I'm sure Blizzard can come up with a way to keep a Worgen Form racial balanced to that level.
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We're also assuming that the Worgen would be the ones we know of. If I recall right most of the ones on Azeroth
were turned and not pure Worgen. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to be the Worgen from wherever that sycthe brought them from.
And I think it's good the Blizz has gone a long way to get rid of race-specific class abilities. Seal of Blood/Martyr were last to go. But yeah, Fear Ward, Devouring Plage, Lolshards. Those things were always pretty horrible ideas.
New races are just a bad idea after the Draenei/blood elf mess
I asked this before: what mess? Both races were integrated into the game just fine if you forgive the little retconning of Draenei origins.
People were upset over the fact the allaince get shamans the horde paladins, blood elves cannot be warrior but they can be paladins and now death knights.
Various complaints over blood elf paladins and thier racials
New races would add nothing to the game
The Worgen have a bigger problem than the draenei joining the allaince with a xenophoic leader and the fact they leave Gilenas into Sliverpine horde turf
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So, because a bunch of whiny people threw a hissyfit over Blood Elves and Draenei, Blizzard shouldn't add any more new races?
I'm sorry, but whiny cuntfaces on the Internet are like terrorists: not to be negotiated with.
And of course new races add something to the game: new bloody races.
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I leave for work soon otherwise I would have done more research into it
Undermine being for the goblins would lock off the entire island to a level 1-20 kind of a waste
Gilenas dumps into Silverpine as I keep repeating a horde area
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I leave for work soon otherwise I would have done more research into it
Undermine being for the goblins would lock off the entire island to a level 1-20 kind of a waste
Gilenas dumps into Silverpine as I keep repeating a horde area
Stormwind and Orgrimmar are kind of going to waste too, being located in the 1-10 areas.
Right next to Silverpine is Hillsbrad. Gilneas would have 1-10 and 11-20 zones, and then it's off to happy Hillsbrad PvP action.
New races are just a bad idea after the Draenei/blood elf mess
I asked this before: what mess? Both races were integrated into the game just fine if you forgive the little retconning of Draenei origins.
People were upset over the fact the allaince get shamans the horde paladins, blood elves cannot be warrior but they can be paladins and now death knights.
Various complaints over blood elf paladins and thier racials
New races would add nothing to the game
The Worgen have a bigger problem than the draenei joining the allaince with a xenophoic leader and the fact they leave Gilenas into Sliverpine horde turf
I don't know if you've noticed but people complain about EVERYTHING BLIZZARD EVER DOES!
How is making Undermine a 1-20 zone a waste? If the high level people are butt hurt about it, they can always make a sub-zone for them in the area. See example: The Isle of Quel'Danas.
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If worgen did join then I could bet that the details would be in the comic.
Genn could be dead (would be in his 70s), and now an heir or such could take over, realize that they are in deep shit not getting better, whatever reason the maelstrom opens could push them to open sea routes that connect them to the outside world.
I could also say that this guarantees me watching the direct tv stream, I was on the fence with the pet....but omg this hypes me up, been wanting worgen since vanilla
How is making Undermine a 1-20 zone a waste? If the high level people are butt hurt about it, they can always make a sub-zone for them in the area. See example: The Isle of Quel'Danas.
Seriously. Some people bring up these "issues" like they're not something Blizzard can easily work around.
Guys, the Blood Elf starting area dumps right into Eastern Plaguelands!
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The current speculation of why they could be the new player races is thusly:
1) Current Halloween masks portray only player races, and these are Halloween masks of goblins and worgen.
2) There have been no female worgen before, but there's one on the mask. It could be concluded that this means worgen will be a playable race, as no one really cares if there are females of NPC Race X, but there'd be hell to pay if you couldn't make a female version of one of the playable races.
Thanks. A summary of facts in a sea of speculation is much appreciated.
Which will join Alliance and which will join Horde?
I don't see why they couldn't use magic. Gnomes are more technically inclined and they have mages and warlocks. In fact, isn't there a goblin warlock in durotar?
EDIT: Seems some already mentioned that guy.
Warrior
Rogue
Shaman
Deathknight (lol!)
Hunter(??)
Its... at the top of the page ages ago. And by ages ago, I mean the page before you asked.
Politics might change when your entire country gets turned into slavering evil Worgen.
In fact I would prefer that. Enough of those fuckers running around already.
Unless you have your posts/page set differently, it's not at the TOTP.
But don't worry about it anymore, someone else was already helpful.
You posted page 27, read the top of the page 26.
That's a question, thrown in with a bunch of other speculation posts.
I don't know what your issue is here. I asked for a summary of what the evidence is behind these being the new races, because there's very little actual evidence and a bunch of posts of people throwing out ideas. That's fine, I just wanted to know what the facts were. I'm sure others who are skimming or checking out the most recent pages would be helped by that too.
No need to be all "l2read" about me asking a relevant question.
You're talking about werewolf men, evil or not, possibly joining with the Alliance - who hate the tauren on the basis of them being "cow people" (or I guess allied with the Horde). Really, the Alliance is unlikely to accept anyone on account of their unwavering position of being racist as fuck.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
They just draw the line at tusks, fur, and rotting flesh.
Yes, they look like normal people during the day when not in their feral state. Are you suggesting Blizzard incorporates a race whose gameplay functions change at day and night? I have yet to see a partially-mutated worgan, and that would be fucking awful.
Maybe some kind of souped-up racial ability?. Like, they play as a regular human class, but at any time you can metamorph into worgen form and do more damage or something. Kinda like stances/presence/shapshifting.
It would be changing the game a huge deal though. You're turning a racial, something that's always been just a very minor bonus, and turning it into nearly a class defining ability. You'd also have to completely overhaul the other racials in the game, given that they'd now be woefully antiquated.
Actually, scratch that. That's too much work for lazy ol' Blizzard for just one race. They'll just go with half morphed worgens.
If I were designing it, I would balance the race under the premise that they were ALWAYS in worgen form as opposed to baseline human plus a big racial, but still give them the toggle on/off shapechange ability. No one would bat an eye at leaving it on all the time; look at boomkin or tree form for comparison.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
I was also thinking, what if Worgen were a new Alliance class instead of race. Shapeshifting Druid style and whatnot. They could be a hybrid melee DPS / Caster or some such.
I know it doesn't fit at all with the Worgen/Goblin races evidence, but I think them being a class instead of a race would be a lot cooler. And because of the shapeshifting, it would fit with the lore. I mean even warlocks have to train in "secret" in stormwind, so the shapeshifting worgen thing could be approached the same way.
Um. Gonna have to disagree with that blanket statement, there. Shapechanging has existed in WoW and several other MMO's, and tying it to a race instead of a class isn't exactly a huge jump in logic.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Was just about to say this too. It's a big change to be sure, but it's the same exact mechanic.
But now that I've put it out there, I can see that it's too tall an order. People will start demanding that X class be Y race if the racials become too powerful like that.
It reminds me of FFXI, where any race could be any class, but nobody wants a Galka white mage because their MP is complete shit.
...Or closer to home, how everybody wanted dwarf priests because of Fear Ward.
There are things in the current files that will be never used
They might have added the masks for an overhauled Halloween event for all levels to enjoy
Gilanes dumps into Silverpine a horde questing area
Where would the goblins come from then? They could do Undermine but that closes that area for 1-20 then
New races are just a bad idea after the Draenei/blood elf mess
That's my point though. You balance under the assumption the character will be in worgen form all the time. You don't balance feral powers on the off-chance that a feral druid will want to melee stuff out of cat or bear form, because that would be stupid. Do the same with worgen: give the worgen form a small bonus, but tone down their other racials to compensate.
Hell, one draenai now gives 1% hit to their entire freaking raid; I'm sure Blizzard can come up with a way to keep a Worgen Form racial balanced to that level.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Incorrect, it's actually restricted to party members.
edit:
I asked this before: what mess? Both races were integrated into the game just fine if you forgive the little retconning of Draenei origins.
were turned and not pure Worgen. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to be the Worgen from wherever that sycthe brought them from.
People were upset over the fact the allaince get shamans the horde paladins, blood elves cannot be warrior but they can be paladins and now death knights.
Various complaints over blood elf paladins and thier racials
The blood elf controveresy wiki
Draenei controveresy
New races would add nothing to the game
The Worgen have a bigger problem than the draenei joining the allaince with a xenophoic leader and the fact they leave Gilenas into Sliverpine horde turf
I'm sorry, but whiny cuntfaces on the Internet are like terrorists: not to be negotiated with.
And of course new races add something to the game: new bloody races.
Agreed. New races! Yay! Something else to play as!
Undermine being for the goblins would lock off the entire island to a level 1-20 kind of a waste
Gilenas dumps into Silverpine as I keep repeating a horde area
Stormwind and Orgrimmar are kind of going to waste too, being located in the 1-10 areas.
Right next to Silverpine is Hillsbrad. Gilneas would have 1-10 and 11-20 zones, and then it's off to happy Hillsbrad PvP action.
Genn could be dead (would be in his 70s), and now an heir or such could take over, realize that they are in deep shit not getting better, whatever reason the maelstrom opens could push them to open sea routes that connect them to the outside world.
I could also say that this guarantees me watching the direct tv stream, I was on the fence with the pet....but omg this hypes me up, been wanting worgen since vanilla
Seriously. Some people bring up these "issues" like they're not something Blizzard can easily work around.
Guys, the Blood Elf starting area dumps right into Eastern Plaguelands!