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Why Do People in the UK Hate their Flag?

GlyphGlyph Registered User regular
edited July 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
I recently heard that citizens of the United Kingdom don't like to display the Union Jack in the same way we in America like to show off the stars and stripes, which to me seems depressing as hell considering how beautiful it is (being so blatantly symmetrical compared to ours) and also what it symbolizes. Why is it that way? Every other country I've seen has a strong sense of nationalism so where's Britain's patriotism?

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I mean Christ's sake, you ruled the largest empire on earth. Have some goddamn pride you guys.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2009
    Glyph wrote: »
    I recently heard that citizens of the United Kingdom don't like to display the Union Jack in the same way we in America like to show off the stars and stripes, which to me seems depressing as hell considering how beautiful it is (being so blatantly symmetrical compared to ours) and also what it symbolizes. Why is it that way? Every other country I've seen has a strong sense of nationalism so where's Britain's patriotism?

    I haven't been to a shit-ton of countries, but I have yet to see one as outwardly nationalistic as the United States.

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I mean Christ's sake, you ruled the largest empire on earth. Have some goddamn pride you guys.

    Ruled, perfect tense.

    Sadly, most of the Goodness of the UK is safely in the past, with the steadily decaying towns and cities being our rather dull present.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2009
    Also, I had Union Jack shorts when I was a kid, and they were my favorites.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    I guess on the one hand, certain citizens of the UK only see that as the flag of England.

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Yeah- It's not that they aren't proud, they just like to display their pride differently. By putting the union jack on clothes. Like Ginger Spice.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Mostly because as a people we're very dubious of overt patriotism. It's one of our better traits. Though I think this may be changing.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    Yeah- It's not that they aren't proud, they just like to display their pride differently. By putting the union jack on clothes. Like Ginger Spice.

    Also t-shirts that say "Mind the Gap."

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Because some councils ban it to ensure that we aren't making 'visitors' feel unwelcome.

    Plus its raining 90% of the time so any flag left outside won't last a huge amount of time.

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  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    No country loves flaunting their flag as much as the US. Also imo, it's fairly ugly, there are prettier flags.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I think the better question is why people in the US love their flag to the point of irrationality.

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  • HyperAquaBlastHyperAquaBlast Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'm American I'm not even big on our ensign. A flag to me is another relic of older times that is just kept around as a tradition. Obviously I'm not that educated on flags. Its just a name tag to me.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Daxon wrote: »
    No country loves flaunting their flag as much as the US. Also imo, it's fairly ugly, there are prettier flags.

    Nah. It's pretty much the best. I'd like to see one that looks better.

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  • SeolSeol Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    It's also because it's been appropriated as a symbol by "nationalist" xenophobic groups. Nationalism in Britain implies neo-Facist tendencies, unfortunately.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hopefully it's because they realize nationalism is silly.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    Seol wrote: »
    It's also because it's been appropriated as a symbol by "nationalist" xenophobic groups. Nationalism in Britain implies neo-Facist tendencies, unfortunately.

    I don't know that such an implication is exclusive to Britain.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    EggyToast wrote: »
    I think the better question is why people in the US love their flag to the point of irrationality.
    This.
    Apparently, from my contacts over there, when someone burns a US flag it makes you all hot and bothered, like voodoo.
    At least the loud, angry ones amongst you do.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    EggyToast wrote: »
    I think the better question is why people in the US love their flag to the point of irrationality.
    This.
    Apparently, from my contacts over there, when someone burns a US flag it makes you all hot and bothered, like voodoo.
    At least the loud, angry ones amongst you do.

    The flag-burning-as-controversy idea kind of died in the late 80s/early 90s... it's generally accepted that is a form of "free speech" now... except by crazy people who are, thankfully, a tiny segment of the population (though quite vocal).

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  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Leitner wrote: »
    Daxon wrote: »
    No country loves flaunting their flag as much as the US. Also imo, it's fairly ugly, there are prettier flags.

    Nah. It's pretty much the best. I'd like to see one that looks better.

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    I see quite a few nicer looking flags there. 'Specially the green/yellow type ones. Also any flag that uses red and white or red, white and blue are automatically disqualified for being uncreative and tedious.

    Flags are always a relic from a shittier, war-retarded time.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    EggyToast wrote: »
    I think the better question is why people in the US love their flag to the point of irrationality.
    That would be a much better question, since the OP failed to establish the UK iss doing something wrong, other than a dubious claim that 'every other country loves to show off theirs.'

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  • SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    From what I've seen Canada is pretty proud of the maple leaf. It's not so much that they fly flags everywhere but they put little maple leafs on a lot of stuff.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Daxon you're insane, theres nothing on there as nice except the ones with a miniature version of our flag in the corner.

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    EggyToast wrote: »
    I think the better question is why people in the US love their flag to the point of irrationality.
    This.
    Apparently, from my contacts over there, when someone burns a US flag it makes you all hot and bothered, like voodoo.
    At least the loud, angry ones amongst you do.

    Well, in fairness burning the national flag or currency is a crime in most countries. There is a huge space between loving the flag and allowing it to be burned.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Green and yellow are ugly as hell. I'm amazed by how common they are. Plus you can't really be uncreative is you did it first.*

    [tiny]*Probably, I mean I'd imagine we were.[/tiny]

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    i always liked the japanese flag the best
    the union jack makes for a sweet bookcover though

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Smurph wrote: »
    From what I've seen Canada is pretty proud of the maple leaf. It's not so much that they fly flags everywhere but they put little maple leafs on a lot of stuff.

    because little maple leafs are awesome!

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    US flag is way too busy.

    This flag is awesome:

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Chanus wrote: »
    Seol wrote: »
    It's also because it's been appropriated as a symbol by "nationalist" xenophobic groups. Nationalism in Britain implies neo-Facist tendencies, unfortunately.

    I don't know that such an implication is exclusive to Britain.

    I'm pretty sure it's this way in most of europe. I can vouch for the Netherlands at least. If you see someone with a dutch flag on their jacket, chances are he's a xenophobic nationalist.

    Only businesses fly flags normally, and then usually limited to multinationals and hotels. There's a flag code, which instructs to fly the flag on certain days (Queen's Day, Rememberance Day, Liberation Day, Veterans Day etcet).

    The American flagwaving is mostly seen as part of an overblown sense of patriottism

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  • HyperAquaBlastHyperAquaBlast Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    All I know is that if you are going to have a flag then it better be easy to recreate it. I'm from Texas and in kindergarten our flag was easy to reproduce. I'd like to see a 5 year old draw Maine's and you'd be able to tell what it was.

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  • VeritasVRVeritasVR Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Some of the US military rituals involving the flag are pretty slick. I've not seen other countries do it (probably similar) but it's a cool tradition.
    Dman wrote: »
    Smurph wrote: »
    From what I've seen Canada is pretty proud of the maple leaf. It's not so much that they fly flags everywhere but they put little maple leafs on a lot of stuff.

    because little maple leafs are awesome!

    Oh god, those little maple leaf MAPLE SUGAR candies are so much the best thing ever.

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I agree with the responses so far in this thread:
    1) The United States of America has TOO MUCH love for their flag
    2) The USA flag is not the best looking flag

    The only time I find the USA flag to be best looking is when it's made of some really nice material and using slightly different than standard colorings, such as during the Olympic games. For some reason, the flags they use there are always very pretty, though that seems to be the case for all countries. I happen to like the Canadian flag, as it's fairly simple for something with an emblem. The USA flag has a very 'busy' design, in contrast to many flags of the world which I find to be downright boring.

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  • DaxonDaxon Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Leitner wrote: »
    Green and yellow are ugly as hell. I'm amazed by how common they are. Plus you can't really be uncreative is you did it first.*

    [tiny]*Probably, I mean I'd imagine we were.[/tiny]

    Wikipedia tells me the danish flag is the oldest flag still in use. It's red and white. Also very ugly on account of the fact that those two colours should never be mixed.

    I hate most European flags, they're all "oh let's have varying stripes of red, white and/or blue!"

    edit: and yes, flags that have tiny pictures of whatever in them are shit. Nobody's gonna draw that crap.

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Croatia has the best flag, plus the best football shirts.

    Also people in this country (the UK) seem to either not care for the Union Jack (preferring their own flag such as English people preferring the St. George cross etc.) or just aren't obnoxiously patriotic, science bless them.

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  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    On the sliding scale of "meaningful expression of national pride" vs. "mindless jingoism," I always thought that reverence for the flag itself was closer to the "mindless jingoism" end.

    I also like the japanese flag, very stylish. And the old USSR flag actually. Why do the axis powers get the cool flags? Is Croatia's flag the one with the checks? If so, that's cool too.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    SanderJK wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Seol wrote: »
    It's also because it's been appropriated as a symbol by "nationalist" xenophobic groups. Nationalism in Britain implies neo-Facist tendencies, unfortunately.

    I don't know that such an implication is exclusive to Britain.

    I'm pretty sure it's this way in most of europe. I can vouch for the Netherlands at least. If you see someone with a dutch flag on their jacket, chances are he's a xenophobic nationalist.

    Only businesses fly flags normally, and then usually limited to multinationals and hotels. There's a flag code, which instructs to fly the flag on certain days (Queen's Day, Rememberance Day, Liberation Day, Veterans Day etcet).

    The American flagwaving is mostly seen as part of an overblown sense of patriottism
    Overt nationalism is hardly a marker for reasonable views and/or quality of discourse here in the states, either.

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  • theSquidtheSquid Sydney, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I used to like the Polish flag when it had the crowned white eagle on the front. Now it's boring.

    But oh fuck, I've lived in Australia all my life and I still have trouble remembering the flag. Constellations should be banned from flags forever.

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  • GlyphGlyph Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Overt nationalism is hardly a marker for reasonable views and/or quality of discourse here in the states, either.

    Indeed. That's why no one made any mention of Obama not wearing the flag pin during his presidential bid. It was a personal choice that was respected by all and any discourse on the subject was quickly dismissed and never brought up ever again ever. Yes. This is an accurate interpretation of events.

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  • ShockwaveShockwave Back In Black Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    theSquid wrote: »
    I used to like the Polish flag when it had the crowned white eagle on the front. Now it's boring.

    But oh fuck, I've lived in Australia all my life and I still have trouble remembering the flag. Constellations should be banned from flags forever.

    Yours is actually my favorite world flag.

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  • SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hearing a bunch of people saying that Americans fly their flag too much and that it's not a pretty flag just makes me want to fly it even more. You'd think that people would have figured out by now that telling Americans you'd rather they not do something just makes us want to do it even more.

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  • ShockwaveShockwave Back In Black Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I have to admit there seems to be this quiet war to kill any sense of national pride. This identity-less living space idea is very common where I live.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Glyph wrote: »
    I recently heard that citizens of the United Kingdom don't like to display the Union Jack in the same way we in America like to show off the stars and stripes, which to me seems depressing as hell considering how beautiful it is (being so blatantly symmetrical compared to ours) and also what it symbolizes. Why is it that way? Every other country I've seen has a strong sense of nationalism so where's Britain's patriotism?

    british-flag-640.jpg

    I mean Christ's sake, you ruled the largest empire on earth. Have some goddamn pride you guys.

    The union jack is not symmetrical in any direction.

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