Honor gain from players is fucking stupid. Did that shitty new CTF BG today, 40 HKs later and one flag cap and i dont think i had 30 honor. PvPing for about 7 hours and i dont think i've gotten more than 800 honor.
Honor in BGs now isn't about killing people. That's just a little side pool of honor you get. Instead it is about being successful and winning.
Also, I'd imagine honor is only going to increase per kill. I'm assuming the pvp titles coming back mean you'll get more honor for killing players with a higher rank.
Redcoat - the pvp starter set is something thats easy to get - they're player crafted blues on your AH right now. I picked up two pieces for about 800g total (which is nothing in Cata).
I really like it so far. Fights between a couple of players are a lot longer than the whiz-bang-dead pvp of Cata. So there's a lot more stunning, rooting and reacting to what your opponent does.
As a Blood DK i've had a few epic 1 on 1s with paladins and druids - including one fight in a tower with a pally that went one for a good 3 minutes before reinforcements came.
how many times in cata could you say you and another player basically fought to a tie?
also the two new BGs are really awesome. they're both relatively small in size so there seems to be a lot more fighting. one is an AB like fight with just three nodes in a map the size of WSG. the other is a capture the flag but on a map that is about two-thirds the size of WSG. So there's a lot less running around and empty time and a lot more fighting it out.
Redcoat - the pvp starter set is something thats easy to get - they're player crafted blues on your AH right now. I picked up two pieces for about 800g total (which is nothing in Cata).
My faction is pretty small on my server and thus it's economy isn't great. I've checked the last 3 evenings on the AH and I've only seen the mail caster belt for sale and that was for 800 gold.
So while I appreciate you pointing out that there is a pvp set out there for me to buy, it's not that much of an option for me.
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Tol Barad seems to be switching sides slightly more frequently on my server now that more people are there. My only explanation for this is that "More People = More Morons" and thus defense sometimes gets too many morons and actually manages to fuck up royaly.
I really like it so far. Fights between a couple of players are a lot longer than the whiz-bang-dead pvp of Cata. So there's a lot more stunning, rooting and reacting to what your opponent does.
As a Blood DK i've had a few epic 1 on 1s with paladins and druids - including one fight in a tower with a pally that went one for a good 3 minutes before reinforcements came.
how many times in cata could you say you and another player basically fought to a tie?
also the two new BGs are really awesome. they're both relatively small in size so there seems to be a lot more fighting. one is an AB like fight with just three nodes in a map the size of WSG. the other is a capture the flag but on a map that is about two-thirds the size of WSG. So there's a lot less running around and empty time and a lot more fighting it out.
How is this going to play out in Arenas? I remember in BC arenas healer+x 2v2 teams could last quite awhile
How is this going to play out in Arenas? I remember in BC arenas healer+x 2v2 teams could last quite awhile
The even 2v2 and 3v3 situations Ive been in so far end up going on forever, it really sucks. Right now resil is low on most people and DPS in even situations is pretty easy to heal through (minus wtf is going on with feral druid)... its gonna come back to mana drain in 2s maybe. Larger group pvp in rated BGs will be a big assist train when done right.
Battlegrounds are about objectives, and should be maintained such that completing the objectives quickly is worth more than farming HKs.
On a different note, has anybody else had a bug where they couldn't queue for a single battleground with more than 5 people? Or the fact that you can't queue for two battlegrounds at all?
I don't know about queuing for more than one being intended or not, but not being able to pre-made with more than 5 people is intended. Full group pre-mades are what rated is for now.
Redcoat - the pvp starter set is something thats easy to get - they're player crafted blues on your AH right now. I picked up two pieces for about 800g total (which is nothing in Cata).
My faction is pretty small on my server and thus it's economy isn't great. I've checked the last 3 evenings on the AH and I've only seen the mail caster belt for sale and that was for 800 gold.
So while I appreciate you pointing out that there is a pvp set out there for me to buy, it's not that much of an option for me.
So how about Blizz just gives you free pvp gear? I mean you don't wanna do BGs for it. And you don't wanna buy it or find somebody to make it for you. Not really sure what other options there are.
My server isn't that big and they are available.
I'd have to imagine there are blacksmiths on your server if not your guild, and even if you need to gather mats and find one, you can get blue pvp gear in one night of work.
Redcoat - the pvp starter set is something thats easy to get - they're player crafted blues on your AH right now. I picked up two pieces for about 800g total (which is nothing in Cata).
My faction is pretty small on my server and thus it's economy isn't great. I've checked the last 3 evenings on the AH and I've only seen the mail caster belt for sale and that was for 800 gold.
So while I appreciate you pointing out that there is a pvp set out there for me to buy, it's not that much of an option for me.
So how about Blizz just gives you free pvp gear? I mean you don't wanna do BGs for it. And you don't wanna buy it or find somebody to make it for you. Not really sure what other options there are.
My server isn't that big and they are available.
I'd have to imagine there are blacksmiths on your server if not your guild, and even if you need to gather mats and find one, you can get blue pvp gear in one night of work.
Obviously thinking that perhaps that pvp set you buy with honor, should be some kind of starter set that you can obtain quickly so you can experience what pvp should be like, and that the 2nd set should be the set that requires the time commitment, is something I should be mocked for.
Where did I say I didn't want to do BG's for this gear? Stop being a Goose.
Obviously thinking that perhaps that pvp set you buy with honor, should be some kind of starter set that you can obtain quickly so you can experience what pvp should be like, and that the 2nd set should be the set that requires the time commitment, is something I should be mocked for.
Where did I say I didn't want to do BG's for this gear? Stop being a Goose.
I see what you are saying, and it should be that a starter set is easy to get.
They did it in the first expansion with faction rep (only honored and maybe revered) gave the entire starter pvp set.
I don't know why they stopped doing this. It was a set that gave you just enough to not be insta-gibbed and be able to be more than just a wasted spot in a BG.
Right now, alot of people in quested greens and blues are useless against people in crafted/heroic/honor gear mix. Of course right now, very very few people have the full honor set yet, so there is no crazy gear gap... yet. In a few weeks though, anyone starting new that cant get the crafted set are gonna have a shitty time for alot longer than they should.
What I don't also understand, is why there is not some quest to get a blue pvp trinket that is appropriate to the level cap (i.e. a level 85 trinket that removes the usual with some resilience).
It's an essential thing.
In TBC, you got a quest in HFP that gave you one, so quite why that has never been repeated I don't know.
A quest like, take part in a TB battle (I would say win a TB, but you know, [email protected] side) and boom, here is your 2 min trinket + resilience.
Wasn't the TBC one a joke 5-minute trinket? Because those are fucking useless outside of short arena games.
Obviously thinking that perhaps that pvp set you buy with honor, should be some kind of starter set that you can obtain quickly so you can experience what pvp should be like, and that the 2nd set should be the set that requires the time commitment, is something I should be mocked for.
Where did I say I didn't want to do BG's for this gear? Stop being a Goose.
I see what you are saying, and it should be that a starter set is easy to get.
They did it in the first expansion with faction rep (only honored and maybe revered) gave the entire starter pvp set.
I don't know why they stopped doing this. It was a set that gave you just enough to not be insta-gibbed and be able to be more than just a wasted spot in a BG.
Right now, alot of people in quested greens and blues are useless against people in crafted/heroic/honor gear mix. Of course right now, very very few people have the full honor set yet, so there is no crazy gear gap... yet. In a few weeks though, anyone starting new that cant get the crafted set are gonna have a shitty time for alot longer than they should.
Too bad it was totally retared in TBC, since an average "just dinged 70" player would have enough reputation for two or maybe three pieces. To have the reputation for the whopping 5 pieces available, you had to grind quite a bit of dungeons. Also, that stuff wasn't available until a post-release patch (2.1 maybe?).
Also, I'd imagine honor is only going to increase per kill. I'm assuming the pvp titles coming back mean you'll get more honor for killing players with a higher rank.
Obviously thinking that perhaps that pvp set you buy with honor, should be some kind of starter set that you can obtain quickly so you can experience what pvp should be like, and that the 2nd set should be the set that requires the time commitment, is something I should be mocked for.
Where did I say I didn't want to do BG's for this gear? Stop being a Goose.
I see what you are saying, and it should be that a starter set is easy to get.
They did it in the first expansion with faction rep (only honored and maybe revered) gave the entire starter pvp set.
I don't know why they stopped doing this. It was a set that gave you just enough to not be insta-gibbed and be able to be more than just a wasted spot in a BG.
Right now, alot of people in quested greens and blues are useless against people in crafted/heroic/honor gear mix. Of course right now, very very few people have the full honor set yet, so there is no crazy gear gap... yet. In a few weeks though, anyone starting new that cant get the crafted set are gonna have a shitty time for alot longer than they should.
Too bad it was totally retared in TBC, since an average "just dinged 70" player would have enough reputation for two or maybe three pieces. To have the reputation for the whopping 5 pieces available, you had to grind quite a bit of dungeons. Also, that stuff wasn't available until a post-release patch (2.1 maybe?).
Also, I'd imagine honor is only going to increase per kill. I'm assuming the pvp titles coming back mean you'll get more honor for killing players with a higher rank.
You won't.
Why? That's lame. That seems like it'd make sense. Like, 2-3 more honor per rank or something.
Probably for the same reason ganking some fresh 85 with quest greens is worth the same as scraping through a tough battle with someone loaded in epics. That reason most likely being that Blizzard is incompetent and/or lazy when it comes to PvP design.
I think Blizzard is aware that server population imbalance is impossible to deal with in a world PvP situation.
It also should be common sense that a lot of BGs are mostly premades, and pugs don't stand a chance. Especially, when the pug doesn't have a single healer.
Spend 30 minutes in TB, only to disconnect at the last two with absolutely no grace period. Poof, half an hour for maybe a pittance of Honor. Fuck off, Blizzard.
I think Blizzard is aware that server population imbalance is impossible to deal with in a world PvP situation.
It also should be common sense that a lot of BGs are mostly premades, and pugs don't stand a chance. Especially, when the pug doesn't have a single healer.
Well you can't "pre-make" with more than 5 people anymore. So at most half your team is premade and you get stuck with scrubs.
This week is 15-man rated BG's. What the fuck do we do when we have 7 people wanted to PvP together, blizzard? PvP is so much fun, they just broke it so bad.
Sooo, on my alt, I got Not even a scratch and Save the Day within an hour of each other. I don't even have that second one on my main.
On the plus side, rogues are really fun now, especially mutilate. I can take out nearly any class 1 on 1. Warriors and Druids being the exceptions. Of course, I visited the rogue forums randomly, and its nothing but bitching. I have a feeling some people are pvping in greens with bad specs. :rotate:
I think Blizzard is aware that server population imbalance is impossible to deal with in a world PvP situation.
It also should be common sense that a lot of BGs are mostly premades, and pugs don't stand a chance. Especially, when the pug doesn't have a single healer.
Well you can't "pre-make" with more than 5 people anymore. So at most half your team is premade and you get stuck with scrubs.
This week is 15-man rated BG's. What the fuck do we do when we have 7 people wanted to PvP together, blizzard? PvP is so much fun, they just broke it so bad.
You try to get 8 random people from trade chat to join you. Doesn't that sound good?
I think Blizzard is aware that server population imbalance is impossible to deal with in a world PvP situation.
It also should be common sense that a lot of BGs are mostly premades, and pugs don't stand a chance. Especially, when the pug doesn't have a single healer.
Well you can't "pre-make" with more than 5 people anymore. So at most half your team is premade and you get stuck with scrubs.
This week is 15-man rated BG's. What the fuck do we do when we have 7 people wanted to PvP together, blizzard? PvP is so much fun, they just broke it so bad.
You try to get 8 random people from trade chat to join you. Doesn't that sound good?
Sounds about the same as getting 8 random people from the BG queue.
Except for all the extra steps and time before being able to hit "join as group" between the two scenarios?
If you wanna do organized PvP, you might have to organize it.
Shocking.
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edited December 2010
With all the really impressive design decisions Blizzard has made to shift WoW over the last six years, it's astonishing how bad they are at PvP design.
With all the really impressive design decisions Blizzard has made to shift WoW over the last six years, it's astonishing how bad they are at PvP design.
I think Blizzard is aware that server population imbalance is impossible to deal with in a world PvP situation.
It also should be common sense that a lot of BGs are mostly premades, and pugs don't stand a chance. Especially, when the pug doesn't have a single healer.
Well you can't "pre-make" with more than 5 people anymore. So at most half your team is premade and you get stuck with scrubs.
This week is 15-man rated BG's. What the fuck do we do when we have 7 people wanted to PvP together, blizzard? PvP is so much fun, they just broke it so bad.
You try to get 8 random people from trade chat to join you. Doesn't that sound good?
I'm talking about what was posted here.
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Tol Barad seems the only true failure this expansion. Both the new BGs work well from my experience.
So the most notable thing they've done in the last six years is the equivalent of a small FPS map pack? Plus arenas, which a monkey could've designed.
I'm not saying WoW PvP isn't fun, but it's fun in spite of all the things Blizzard has actually done: weak crappy, grindy, and often not even PvP-based reward systems, pointless world PvP systems, minimal battlegrounds, etc etc etc.
edit: five-level BG brackets and cross-server queues were good.
I think Blizzard is aware that server population imbalance is impossible to deal with in a world PvP situation.
It also should be common sense that a lot of BGs are mostly premades, and pugs don't stand a chance. Especially, when the pug doesn't have a single healer.
Well you can't "pre-make" with more than 5 people anymore. So at most half your team is premade and you get stuck with scrubs.
This week is 15-man rated BG's. What the fuck do we do when we have 7 people wanted to PvP together, blizzard? PvP is so much fun, they just broke it so bad.
You try to get 8 random people from trade chat to join you. Doesn't that sound good?
I'm talking about what was posted here.
Then it makes even less sense, since he was talking about Rated BGs.
In Rated BGs, yeah, you are gonna have to organize a team. That's the whole point.
In normal BGs, it doesn't really matter much. And considering the current system replaced the previous system of groups queuing for BGs only playing other groups queuing for BGs, it seems the point is that normal BGs don't exist so large premade groups can steamroll a bunch of random people. Which sounds good to me.
Tol Barad seems the only true failure this expansion. Both the new BGs work well from my experience.
So the most notable thing they've done in the last six years is the equivalent of a small FPS map pack? Plus arenas, which a monkey could've designed.
I'm not saying WoW PvP isn't fun, but it's fun in spite of all the things Blizzard has actually done: weak crappy, grindy, and often not even PvP-based reward systems, pointless world PvP systems, minimal battlegrounds, etc etc etc.
edit: five-level BG brackets and cross-server queues were good.
Then what did you actually want?
There's now a system where you PvP, you get points, you spend them on gear to be better at PvP. They occasionally release new content for PvP.
Shit, you can now level almost exclusively through BGs.
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that's the way it should be. fear is a CC, not a "I get to beat on you for free" button.
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Honor in BGs now isn't about killing people. That's just a little side pool of honor you get. Instead it is about being successful and winning.
Also, I'd imagine honor is only going to increase per kill. I'm assuming the pvp titles coming back mean you'll get more honor for killing players with a higher rank.
Empire - Veela Server
Empire - Veela Server
I really like it so far. Fights between a couple of players are a lot longer than the whiz-bang-dead pvp of Cata. So there's a lot more stunning, rooting and reacting to what your opponent does.
As a Blood DK i've had a few epic 1 on 1s with paladins and druids - including one fight in a tower with a pally that went one for a good 3 minutes before reinforcements came.
how many times in cata could you say you and another player basically fought to a tie?
also the two new BGs are really awesome. they're both relatively small in size so there seems to be a lot more fighting. one is an AB like fight with just three nodes in a map the size of WSG. the other is a capture the flag but on a map that is about two-thirds the size of WSG. So there's a lot less running around and empty time and a lot more fighting it out.
Empire - Veela Server
My faction is pretty small on my server and thus it's economy isn't great. I've checked the last 3 evenings on the AH and I've only seen the mail caster belt for sale and that was for 800 gold.
So while I appreciate you pointing out that there is a pvp set out there for me to buy, it's not that much of an option for me.
How is this going to play out in Arenas? I remember in BC arenas healer+x 2v2 teams could last quite awhile
The even 2v2 and 3v3 situations Ive been in so far end up going on forever, it really sucks. Right now resil is low on most people and DPS in even situations is pretty easy to heal through (minus wtf is going on with feral druid)... its gonna come back to mana drain in 2s maybe. Larger group pvp in rated BGs will be a big assist train when done right.
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I don't know about queuing for more than one being intended or not, but not being able to pre-made with more than 5 people is intended. Full group pre-mades are what rated is for now.
So how about Blizz just gives you free pvp gear? I mean you don't wanna do BGs for it. And you don't wanna buy it or find somebody to make it for you. Not really sure what other options there are.
My server isn't that big and they are available.
I'd have to imagine there are blacksmiths on your server if not your guild, and even if you need to gather mats and find one, you can get blue pvp gear in one night of work.
Empire - Veela Server
Obviously thinking that perhaps that pvp set you buy with honor, should be some kind of starter set that you can obtain quickly so you can experience what pvp should be like, and that the 2nd set should be the set that requires the time commitment, is something I should be mocked for.
Where did I say I didn't want to do BG's for this gear? Stop being a Goose.
while it takes that long to get one queue to pop
I see what you are saying, and it should be that a starter set is easy to get.
They did it in the first expansion with faction rep (only honored and maybe revered) gave the entire starter pvp set.
I don't know why they stopped doing this. It was a set that gave you just enough to not be insta-gibbed and be able to be more than just a wasted spot in a BG.
Right now, alot of people in quested greens and blues are useless against people in crafted/heroic/honor gear mix. Of course right now, very very few people have the full honor set yet, so there is no crazy gear gap... yet. In a few weeks though, anyone starting new that cant get the crafted set are gonna have a shitty time for alot longer than they should.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You won't.
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It also should be common sense that a lot of BGs are mostly premades, and pugs don't stand a chance. Especially, when the pug doesn't have a single healer.
Spend 30 minutes in TB, only to disconnect at the last two with absolutely no grace period. Poof, half an hour for maybe a pittance of Honor. Fuck off, Blizzard.
Well you can't "pre-make" with more than 5 people anymore. So at most half your team is premade and you get stuck with scrubs.
This week is 15-man rated BG's. What the fuck do we do when we have 7 people wanted to PvP together, blizzard? PvP is so much fun, they just broke it so bad.
On the plus side, rogues are really fun now, especially mutilate. I can take out nearly any class 1 on 1. Warriors and Druids being the exceptions. Of course, I visited the rogue forums randomly, and its nothing but bitching. I have a feeling some people are pvping in greens with bad specs. :rotate:
What the fuck Tol Barad.
Sounds about the same as getting 8 random people from the BG queue.
If you wanna do organized PvP, you might have to organize it.
Shocking.
Tol Barad seems the only true failure this expansion. Both the new BGs work well from my experience.
But Tol Barad? Damn, even just the description should have had someone go "Man what? That shits horribly unbalanced against the attacker!"
I like Twin Peaks better than WSG.
Might just be because its brighter, though.
Oh, so you're not even talking about Rated BGs?
Who the fuck cares then.
If you want to put together a team, that's what rated BGs are for.
So the most notable thing they've done in the last six years is the equivalent of a small FPS map pack? Plus arenas, which a monkey could've designed.
I'm not saying WoW PvP isn't fun, but it's fun in spite of all the things Blizzard has actually done: weak crappy, grindy, and often not even PvP-based reward systems, pointless world PvP systems, minimal battlegrounds, etc etc etc.
edit: five-level BG brackets and cross-server queues were good.
Then it makes even less sense, since he was talking about Rated BGs.
In Rated BGs, yeah, you are gonna have to organize a team. That's the whole point.
In normal BGs, it doesn't really matter much. And considering the current system replaced the previous system of groups queuing for BGs only playing other groups queuing for BGs, it seems the point is that normal BGs don't exist so large premade groups can steamroll a bunch of random people. Which sounds good to me.
Given how absolutely horrid every BG made after Arathi Basin is; yes, that's an accomplishment.
Then what did you actually want?
There's now a system where you PvP, you get points, you spend them on gear to be better at PvP. They occasionally release new content for PvP.
Shit, you can now level almost exclusively through BGs.
What's missing?