I had the chance to meet Greg Land at MegaCon earlier this year, and I was very ready to just ask him how he's able to get away with the stuff he does. But I chickened out, and the worst part is he's actually a really nice guy.
I hate his 'art' with a passion and I, too, have dealt with a comic shop owner who thinks his work is God's gift to comics. It has to be around only due to making deadlines and sales. I can't come up with any other reason with all the other amazing artists out there.
I'm assuming it's for the same reason that Ultimatum, Loeb's run on Hulk, Ultimates 3, Image comics in the 90s, and the shit the Liefeld used to do sold so fucking well.
It's simply for the reason that the majority of people buying comics have really bad fucking taste.
I'm assuming it's for the same reason that Ultimatum, Loeb's run on Hulk, Ultimates 3, Image comics in the 90s, and the shit the Liefeld used to do sold so fucking well.
It's simply for the reason that the majority of people buying comics have really bad fucking taste.
It's true. I have awful taste in comics, and I've liked Land's work, just not his most recent Uncanny issues, and I'm one of the biggest buyers at my LCS. Crap sells, at least to people like me.
I'm also almost positive he used that exact same pose in Ultimate Power or Supreme Power or whatever it was with the Squadron Supreme he drew in. It looks way to familiar to be a new trace.
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I was thinking a Dazzler or Pixie face he used in Uncanny.
Sweet lord, No Hero 6 is terrible. This breaks it. Something has been off about the whole series and I couldn't make myself care about what was going on. Meandering narrative, pretentious unlikable characters and those goddamn Leno chins on freaking everyone, but I draw the line at
the protagonist spontaneously killing his teammate, dismembering his corpse and making a prothestic cock from the spinal column.
Its offensive and crazy seemingly just for the hell of it. The one likable character is dead now, everyone is crazy, psychotic and disgustingly pretentious. Maybe this is some kind of thing about the theme being how horrifying real post humans would be in real life, I don't know. But it is ugly and I have no idea how this mini can redeem itself with one issue left.
Land has maybe ten poses total that he uses, of course it'll look familiar.
I hate him so much I fear that if I ever met him at a convention I might slug him or attempt to break his fingers. And anyone who enjoys Greg Land's work should also have their fingers broken because, really, Greg Land? You like his traced bullshit? You're basically spitting in the face of every single comic book artist who doesn't do a half-assed job of tracing porn. You're taking a piss right on the work of everybody who takes care in drawing a scene and who makes sure it looks okay, rather than Land's lazy asshole bullshit way of throwing a bunch of generic poses in there and then slapping a bunch of generic faces on them.
Really. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. Liking Greg Land is terrible and you're terrible if you like Greg Land.
Holy Shit I wished I hadn't clicked on that No Hero's spoiler. And people think Ultimatum had pointless gore?
And just to clarify, Ultimatum did have pointless gore but nothing compared to what happened in No Hero's #6.
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Land isn't even a monthly artist, that's what annoys me the most about him. When CBR were interviewing the Dodsons about rotating with Land on Uncanny, they said Land takes about 5 weeks an issue, while they take 5-6. Really? 5 weeks? One week less than a duo that actually think about the art they create?
Land's work on most pages are panels of a close up face with that shit eating grin, with a background he probably live traced in Illustrator. Even during some fight scenes he has close up faces like Wolverine that completely ruin what is trying to be conveyed in the panel, like Wolverine lunging to stab someone.
The biggest problem with the tracing, aside from the fact that it's awful that he gets paid for it, is that it makes a comic extremely difficult to care about it. Everything feels unnatural and awkward. The art never really matches what's supposed to be happening.
I don't really doubt why he's popular. He puts hot chicks in slutty poses. He traces porn for God's sake. It's nice to pretend that the comics fandom is growing up but that core of slobbery Comic Book Guy-stereotypes is still there buying anything where someone has an EE cup.
Holy Shit I wished I hadn't clicked on that No Hero's spoiler. And people think Ultimatum had pointless gore?
And just to clarify, Ultimatum did have pointless gore but nothing compared to what happened in No Hero's #6.
Yeah, Avatar books are gratuitous it seems. I think Avatar lets creators do whatever the hell they want, and sometimes it is awful. Editors exist for a reason.
Land has maybe ten poses total that he uses, of course it'll look familiar.
I hate him so much I fear that if I ever met him at a convention I might slug him or attempt to break his fingers. And anyone who enjoys Greg Land's work should also have their fingers broken because, really, Greg Land? You like his traced bullshit? You're basically spitting in the face of every single comic book artist who doesn't do a half-assed job of tracing porn. You're taking a piss right on the work of everybody who takes care in drawing a scene and who makes sure it looks okay, rather than Land's lazy asshole bullshit way of throwing a bunch of generic poses in there and then slapping a bunch of generic faces on them.
Really. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. Liking Greg Land is terrible and you're terrible if you like Greg Land.
You know, I was just looking at Greg Land's bibliography, and sure enough, I own 90% of the books he's worked on. And after you're post, I'm going to keep buying his work. Even if I never plan to read it.
I'm not doing it to be a rebel; I like his art, and think it's a pretty dick move to say I'm "pissing on" every other comic book artist by buying his stuff. I think most people who read comic books these days don't even like them as much they actually like bitching about them. I put several hundred dollars into comic books and merchandise every Wednesday, and yet buying a Greg Land book makes me "fucking terrible?"
I'm not doing it to be a rebel; I like his art, and think it's a pretty dick move to say I'm "pissing on" every other comic book artist by buying his stuff. I think most people who read comic books these days don't even like them as much they actually like bitching about them. I put several hundred dollars into comic books and merchandise every Wednesday, and yet buying a Greg Land book makes me "fucking terrible?"
No, it doesn't.
Spectre is an idiot for buying saying what he said. But so are you if you're going to buy books just to spite him for saying something over the internet.
Then again, to each his own!
On another note, you know who's a slow artist? Steve McNiven. You know, it is very pretty and all, but god the wait sucks. I want to read Old Man Logan's finale before I die.
On another note, you know who's a slow artist? Steve McNiven. You know, it is very pretty and all, but god the wait sucks. I want to read Old Man Logan's finale before I die.
I'm not really looking forward to the finale of that story, probably because I know there's going to be a really fucked up rendition of She-Hulk somewhere in there. I had to close my eyes several times during that episode of the X-Files with the inbred hillbillies, and I don't think my resistance to deformed matriarchs has improved with time.
I'm not really looking forward to the finale of that story, probably because I know there's going to be a really fucked up rendition of She-Hulk somewhere in there. I had to close my eyes several times during that episode of the X-Files with the inbred hillbillies, and I don't think my resistant to deformed matriarchs has improved with time.
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Just read Ultimatum #5
God fucking dammit
Also just read Invincible 64, not by choice, my old shop fucked up and mailed it to me four months after I dropped the book. Two pages of head-butting. Two. Fucking. Pages. Fuck yourself Kirkman
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I don't think Greg Land has ever worked on a comic I've wanted to read. I do enjoy reading threads where people show images he traced, or post artwork that's probably taken from porn. I think the best Greg Land page I've read has a panel where a character punching a badguy, then a panel where the character is getting pissed off, then the next panel is him punching something in frustration. It's great because rather than tracing a different image for the first and last panels, he just mirrors the image so he's punching in the other direction.
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Steve McNiven used to be pretty dependable. He could do six issues, have a fill in for an issue or two, and then do another 6 issue arc. In this day and age that's as good as you can get (though there are still those who can do monthlies). Then he did Civil War and whoops! too important for deadlines.
.....I don't like Richard Isanove's coloring. For some reason the words "slow artist" triggers me thinking of Adam/Andy Kubert's art, and Isanove colored both Origin and 1602, books that were way too far in "digital painting" or whatever Isanove called it. Your job is to compliment the pencils, not make everything murky and washed out. Moose Baumann and Frank D'Armata understand that, why can't you?
I'm not really looking forward to the finale of that story, probably because I know there's going to be a really fucked up rendition of She-Hulk somewhere in there. I had to close my eyes several times during that episode of the X-Files with the inbred hillbillies, and I don't think my resistance to deformed matriarchs has improved with time.
They already had one, Robos. She had bad teeth and was breast feeding a Hulk baby with her wrinkled gamma gams. They knocked out that wonderful imagery in the first issue.
I'm not doing it to be a rebel; I like his art, and think it's a pretty dick move to say I'm "pissing on" every other comic book artist by buying his stuff. I think most people who read comic books these days don't even like them as much they actually like bitching about them. I put several hundred dollars into comic books and merchandise every Wednesday, and yet buying a Greg Land book makes me "fucking terrible?"
No, it doesn't.
Spectre is an idiot for buying saying what he said. But so are you if you're going to buy books just to spite him for saying something over the internet.
Then again, to each his own!
On another note, you know who's a slow artist? Steve McNiven. You know, it is very pretty and all, but god the wait sucks. I want to read Old Man Logan's finale before I die.
Good thing I don't buy any of Land's books. In fact, you couldn't even pay me to buy his books unless it was some ludicrous sum of money I could use to gain enough power in the comics industry to make sure that Land would never get any work, finally ending with him dying in the streets somewhere, disease-ridden, alone and unloved.
You know, I was just looking at Greg Land's bibliography, and sure enough, I own 90% of the books he's worked on. And after you're post, I'm going to keep buying his work. Even if I never plan to read it.
You are a horrible, disgusting, shameful mockery of a person.
Yes, buying Greg Land's stuff makes you terrible. It makes you terrible because you actively support his shameful laziness and plagiarism while giving those in a position to actually do something about it all the more reason to ignore the fact that he's a horrible, soulless hack of an artist because, thanks to people like you, that hack makes money.
You say you like his art. What art are you talking about? None of it is his. He takes drawings from other artists, movie stills, magazine covers and lots and lots of porn stills, copy-pastes it haphazardly into a page and traces the shit out of it. He doesn't make art. He steals shit. And he makes it look godawful. I can't fathom how you can like his art even without taking into account the fact that he is a disgusting parasite of a man. It just looks awful. It's horrifically inconsistent and never, ever, ever properly conveys any messages. It's idiotic.
You are terrible because by supporting Land you spit in the faces of every comic book artist who actually chooses to draw their own stuff. For every book Land does there's at least a dozen people who actually draw stuff and who could do a much, much better job than Land because they actually put effort into making sure people look like they're actually trying to do what they're supposed to according to the story.
That is why you are terrible. You are terrible because you support a terrible man doing terrible things and the terrible system that sustains him.
Yes, basically, but the worst part is that he doesn't even put any effort into his work and he still gets more work than a lot of other artists far more deserving of a chance since they actually draw stuff for themselves rather than tracing a picture once and then copy-pasting it whenever necesary.
lands work, like when i started reading pat lee's DW transformers looked pretty good on a cursory inspection. it's only when someone points out exactly why its horrible that it all just jumps out at you and from that point you can never look past the flaws.
my main problem with land is his not taking context into account with his tracing. i'm pretty certain templesmith uses some photoshopped photos in his work, however thats just to complement his art, not shoehorned in as a replacement.
I'm not really looking forward to the finale of that story, probably because I know there's going to be a really fucked up rendition of She-Hulk somewhere in there. I had to close my eyes several times during that episode of the X-Files with the inbred hillbillies, and I don't think my resistance to deformed matriarchs has improved with time.
They already had one, Robos. She had bad teeth and was breast feeding a Hulk baby with her wrinkled gamma gams. They knocked out that wonderful imagery in the first issue.
I'm not really looking forward to the finale of that story, probably because I know there's going to be a really fucked up rendition of She-Hulk somewhere in there. I had to close my eyes several times during that episode of the X-Files with the inbred hillbillies, and I don't think my resistance to deformed matriarchs has improved with time.
They already had one, Robos. She had bad teeth and was breast feeding a Hulk baby with her wrinkled gamma gams. They knocked out that wonderful imagery in the first issue.
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Gams is a archaic slang for a female's legs
Ah, but who is to say that turning you green and making you stronger is all that gamma radiation does to you?
So what's all this about Land tracing and stuff? I never heard of this, though it's not like I keep up too much with actual artists. Are all these allegations actually true? And if so, how the hell is he still allowed to work?
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So what's all this about Land tracing and stuff? I never heard of this, though it's not like I keep up too much with actual artists. Are all these allegations actually true? And if so, how the hell is he still allowed to work?
Yes it's true. He gets work because, just like Loeb, he sells. Google Greg Land Trace and you'll see a whole bunch of sites.
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I hate his 'art' with a passion and I, too, have dealt with a comic shop owner who thinks his work is God's gift to comics. It has to be around only due to making deadlines and sales. I can't come up with any other reason with all the other amazing artists out there.
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It's simply for the reason that the majority of people buying comics have really bad fucking taste.
It's true. I have awful taste in comics, and I've liked Land's work, just not his most recent Uncanny issues, and I'm one of the biggest buyers at my LCS. Crap sells, at least to people like me.
Its offensive and crazy seemingly just for the hell of it. The one likable character is dead now, everyone is crazy, psychotic and disgustingly pretentious. Maybe this is some kind of thing about the theme being how horrifying real post humans would be in real life, I don't know. But it is ugly and I have no idea how this mini can redeem itself with one issue left.
I hate him so much I fear that if I ever met him at a convention I might slug him or attempt to break his fingers. And anyone who enjoys Greg Land's work should also have their fingers broken because, really, Greg Land? You like his traced bullshit? You're basically spitting in the face of every single comic book artist who doesn't do a half-assed job of tracing porn. You're taking a piss right on the work of everybody who takes care in drawing a scene and who makes sure it looks okay, rather than Land's lazy asshole bullshit way of throwing a bunch of generic poses in there and then slapping a bunch of generic faces on them.
Really. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. Liking Greg Land is terrible and you're terrible if you like Greg Land.
And just to clarify, Ultimatum did have pointless gore but nothing compared to what happened in No Hero's #6.
Land's work on most pages are panels of a close up face with that shit eating grin, with a background he probably live traced in Illustrator. Even during some fight scenes he has close up faces like Wolverine that completely ruin what is trying to be conveyed in the panel, like Wolverine lunging to stab someone.
I don't really doubt why he's popular. He puts hot chicks in slutty poses. He traces porn for God's sake. It's nice to pretend that the comics fandom is growing up but that core of slobbery Comic Book Guy-stereotypes is still there buying anything where someone has an EE cup.
It's from CBR.
Yeah, Avatar books are gratuitous it seems. I think Avatar lets creators do whatever the hell they want, and sometimes it is awful. Editors exist for a reason.
You know, I was just looking at Greg Land's bibliography, and sure enough, I own 90% of the books he's worked on. And after you're post, I'm going to keep buying his work. Even if I never plan to read it.
What controversial decision are you going to make next?
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No, it doesn't.
Spectre is an idiot for buying saying what he said. But so are you if you're going to buy books just to spite him for saying something over the internet.
Then again, to each his own!
On another note, you know who's a slow artist? Steve McNiven. You know, it is very pretty and all, but god the wait sucks. I want to read Old Man Logan's finale before I die.
When IS that supposed to come out?
Who can say.
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Home is the one you're thinking of and it's spectacular
Anyway
Just read Ultimatum #5
God fucking dammit
Also just read Invincible 64, not by choice, my old shop fucked up and mailed it to me four months after I dropped the book. Two pages of head-butting. Two. Fucking. Pages. Fuck yourself Kirkman
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.....I don't like Richard Isanove's coloring. For some reason the words "slow artist" triggers me thinking of Adam/Andy Kubert's art, and Isanove colored both Origin and 1602, books that were way too far in "digital painting" or whatever Isanove called it. Your job is to compliment the pencils, not make everything murky and washed out. Moose Baumann and Frank D'Armata understand that, why can't you?
They already had one, Robos. She had bad teeth and was breast feeding a Hulk baby with her wrinkled gamma gams. They knocked out that wonderful imagery in the first issue.
Good thing I don't buy any of Land's books. In fact, you couldn't even pay me to buy his books unless it was some ludicrous sum of money I could use to gain enough power in the comics industry to make sure that Land would never get any work, finally ending with him dying in the streets somewhere, disease-ridden, alone and unloved.
You are a horrible, disgusting, shameful mockery of a person.
Yes, buying Greg Land's stuff makes you terrible. It makes you terrible because you actively support his shameful laziness and plagiarism while giving those in a position to actually do something about it all the more reason to ignore the fact that he's a horrible, soulless hack of an artist because, thanks to people like you, that hack makes money.
You say you like his art. What art are you talking about? None of it is his. He takes drawings from other artists, movie stills, magazine covers and lots and lots of porn stills, copy-pastes it haphazardly into a page and traces the shit out of it. He doesn't make art. He steals shit. And he makes it look godawful. I can't fathom how you can like his art even without taking into account the fact that he is a disgusting parasite of a man. It just looks awful. It's horrifically inconsistent and never, ever, ever properly conveys any messages. It's idiotic.
You are terrible because by supporting Land you spit in the faces of every comic book artist who actually chooses to draw their own stuff. For every book Land does there's at least a dozen people who actually draw stuff and who could do a much, much better job than Land because they actually put effort into making sure people look like they're actually trying to do what they're supposed to according to the story.
That is why you are terrible. You are terrible because you support a terrible man doing terrible things and the terrible system that sustains him.
my main problem with land is his not taking context into account with his tracing. i'm pretty certain templesmith uses some photoshopped photos in his work, however thats just to complement his art, not shoehorned in as a replacement.
o_O
Gams is a archaic slang for a female's legs
Ah, but who is to say that turning you green and making you stronger is all that gamma radiation does to you?
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