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Fringe - Season Two "Oh, it does something terrible but it doesn't kill you..."

Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
edited July 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
So season two is just two short months away and then we get our fix of the best show not cancelled in the last cycle. Of course, with the awesome series finale we got, I think we can only go down hill from here. This thread is a for speculation on the second season, but I think both speculation and season 1 items should be spoilered since it still is a relatively new show.

For those of you who are new, Fringe is the new X-Files. Except shit happens.

That said:
I don't know how they got an elevator in one reality to go to the World Trade Center in the alternate reality since it was implied portals can only be opened in the same spots. However, I don't honestly think it matters, they could created some mumbo-jumbo if they really wanted and since we all know it's not real tech the show moves on. What I really want to know is the motivation of Spock. The rule in shows is that if you think they might be a good guy, they will turn out to be a bad guy, and vice versa. She thought he was a bad guy for most of the show, but the audience was getting a good guy vibe. So really it could go either way.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.

    I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.

    Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.

    I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.

    Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.

    She is well dressed.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    I suppose the portal thing could be explained by:
    renegade scientist working with available resources vs. Super-Conglomo-Corp with more advanced technology... maybe?

    I only got to see from Episode 10-on because that's all that was available on Hulu when I discovered it, but I definitely enjoyed the show. Looking forward to Season Two.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Chanus wrote: »
    I suppose the portal thing could be explained by:
    renegade scientist working with available resources vs. Super-Conglomo-Corp with more advanced technology... maybe?

    I only got to see from Episode 10-on because that's all that was available on Hulu when I discovered it, but I definitely enjoyed the show. Looking forward to Season Two.

    Same, I do hope Hulu gets the first 10 episodes again.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Lady Eri wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.

    I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.

    Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.

    She is well dressed.
    Sex change as a plot device in series 2!?

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Lady Eri wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.

    I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.

    Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.

    She is well dressed.
    Sex change as a plot device in series 2!?

    Why not?

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.

    The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.

    The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.

    Was this in earlier episodes.

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  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'm glad I'm not the only person who loved the Fringe finale.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Lady Eri wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.

    The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.

    Was this in earlier episodes.

    No it was in the season finale, on her way to meet Bell Olivia is almost in a car accident.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Lady Eri wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.

    The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.

    Was this in earlier episodes.

    No it was in the season finale, on her way to meet Bell Olivia is almost in a car accident.
    So you think this is when she crossed over into the other dimension, I am confused?

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  • DozingDragonDozingDragon Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The thread title is missing an amusing quote from Walter, rectify this please with a mention of Frankenberry if at all possible.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'm not saying thats what I think, although the scene was noticeable for it's seeming unimportance.

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  • AstraphobiaAstraphobia Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Root! Sleep! Death!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    So did anyone/everyone see The Observer during the All-Star game?

    My wife and I freaked.

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  • real_pochaccoreal_pochacco Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    So did anyone/everyone see The Observer during the All-Star game?

    My wife and I freaked.

    I like the clip of him at American Idol. Everyone's going nuts and he's just sitting there.

    The Observer is pretty awesome, though. The conversation on the beach during the finale is probably one of my favorite moments in the show.

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  • KiwiKiwi Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Lady Eri wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Lady Eri wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.

    The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.

    Was this in earlier episodes.

    No it was in the season finale, on her way to meet Bell Olivia is almost in a car accident.
    So you think this is when she crossed over into the other dimension, I am confused?

    I think that's a reasonable assumption.

    I definitely get the feel that it's more important than just being a near-accident, especially since it's in the season finale. Plus, in the episode with the Pyro Twins, when we see Olivia 'shifting' into the alternate universe (That sounds weird. What are we calling it?), she runs into someone at the office. And while that's a pretty thin case, it's also an easy way for the writers to show a shift in something.

    Whatever it is, if the near-accident turns out to be just that, with no other importance, it'd be a bit of a let-down.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Needs more good Walter quote.

    Oh and "Pacey" is Joshua Jackson.

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I hope they never fucking explain the Observer, or if they really have to tease us with something, do it in the series finale.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I put in my favorite quote.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I hope Olivia is killed in the second season and the perspective shifts to someone who is a better actor with better writers.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I hope Olivia is killed in the second season and the perspective shifts to someone who is a better actor with better writers.

    I hope your life takes a similar detour.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I dont think Olivia is a bad actor but its possible she is distracting me by being hot.

    Either way I'm good

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If anyone on the show is distracting with their lack of chops it's Joshua Jackson. I don't believe for one second that is a person with an exhaustive criminal record, or one who has committed acts of violence.

    John Noble is awesome as Walter, though. He's just a great actor. I don't like it as much when he's having random food cravings as when he's just acting generally deranged.

    ALSO I am really wanting more Leonard Nimoy.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Josua Jackson, sadly, has nothing to work with on the show. Hopefully he'll get some actual depth of character due to the reveal in the last season finale.

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I am clinging to some weird hope that the reason Joshua Jackson seems kind of constantly emotionally unattached and blank is intentional because of where he's actually from.

    And as per what I said above, I believe that the near car accident was when her 'shift' happened, and I also believe it's possible that she - somewhere - was killed. Which creates an interesting moral dilemma. What if in order to shift her over into Bell's world, they had to kill her in a car accident, and zap her over into one where she survives?

    Can you get two people from 2 dimensions existing in one at the same time? Or is the very reason Walter could bring Peter back BECAUSE his Peter had already died? Therefore, in order to travel, you're constantly killing other versions?

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Therefore, in order to travel, you're constantly killing other versions?

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    I can easily see that becoming a plot point

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    That sounds too complicated.

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    1) there are lots of universes, only slightly different
    1a) there are lots of yous, only slightly different
    2) due to God/SCIENCE!, there can only be one instance of you in a universe at a time
    2a) but in some universes, you are dead
    3) you can travel to a universe where you are dead and take the place of the local instance
    4) Bell's method of traveling involves zapping an instance in order to jump from universe to universe

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Come on Hulu, show us the first part of season one before two starts...

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  • devoirdevoir Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Also supporting the idea that Olivia jumped during narrowly avoided car crash.

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  • The Crowing OneThe Crowing One Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    devoir wrote: »
    Also supporting the idea that Olivia jumped during narrowly avoided car crash.

    Doesn't that relegate the elevator ride to simply a locational shift?

    It just seems unnecessarily complex to explain what is shown to the viewer as both a shift in universal and locational place was really just a location swap and, in fact, the universal shift occurred outside of the elevator incident which explains it (visually) well enough. We saw the flashing in and out of other people on that elevator, which would indicate a universal shift.

    Or something completely different, entirely.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that the (near) accident would have more meaning, and a shift into a slightly different universe prior to the shift to Bell's universe would make for some cool concepts to play with in Season 2. Are we certain that Olivia hasn't been shifting all over the place, between universes so similar there would seem to be no division?

    One of the things I love about this show is that they explain almost everything. It's certainly a step up from Lost's damn wheels within wheels.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that the (near) accident would have more meaning, and a shift into a slightly different universe prior to the shift to Bell's universe would make for some cool concepts to play with in Season 2. Are we certain that Olivia hasn't been shifting all over the place, between universes so similar there would seem to be no division?

    I've been meaning to go back and watch the last few episodes over because of this. We had one episode where she was shifting all over the place, and then it seemed to just kind of stop. I want to go back and watch and see if it became very subtle, or if it just kind of... didn't happen until the finale.

    I tend to watch things the first time just for the enjoyment of it, and then go back if there is subtext I think I may have missed... I may have missed something the first go-round.


    Edit/Addendum: Should "SPOILERS" be added to the title now? It's kind of difficult to have these kinds of conversations all in spoiler tags.

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