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Fringe - Season Two "Oh, it does something terrible but it doesn't kill you..."
So season two is just two short months away and then we get our fix of the best show not cancelled in the last cycle. Of course, with the awesome series finale we got, I think we can only go down hill from here. This thread is a for speculation on the second season, but I think both speculation and season 1 items should be spoilered since it still is a relatively new show.
For those of you who are new, Fringe is the new X-Files. Except shit happens.
That said:
I don't know how they got an elevator in one reality to go to the World Trade Center in the alternate reality since it was implied portals can only be opened in the same spots. However, I don't honestly think it matters, they could created some mumbo-jumbo if they really wanted and since we all know it's not real tech the show moves on. What I really want to know is the motivation of Spock. The rule in shows is that if you think they might be a good guy, they will turn out to be a bad guy, and vice versa. She thought he was a bad guy for most of the show, but the audience was getting a good guy vibe. So really it could go either way.
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Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.
I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.
Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.
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Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.
I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.
Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.
She is well dressed.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited July 2009
I suppose the portal thing could be explained by:
renegade scientist working with available resources vs. Super-Conglomo-Corp with more advanced technology... maybe?
I only got to see from Episode 10-on because that's all that was available on Hulu when I discovered it, but I definitely enjoyed the show. Looking forward to Season Two.
renegade scientist working with available resources vs. Super-Conglomo-Corp with more advanced technology... maybe?
I only got to see from Episode 10-on because that's all that was available on Hulu when I discovered it, but I definitely enjoyed the show. Looking forward to Season Two.
Same, I do hope Hulu gets the first 10 episodes again.
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.
I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.
Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.
She is well dressed.
Sex change as a plot device in series 2!?
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Given the quality of explanation of most of the pseudo-science, I think the portal deallys moving things in time and space all of a sudden will just be swept under a carpet.
I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.
Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.
Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.
The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.
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Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.
The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.
Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.
The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.
Was this in earlier episodes.
No it was in the season finale, on her way to meet Bell Olivia is almost in a car accident.
Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.
The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.
Was this in earlier episodes.
No it was in the season finale, on her way to meet Bell Olivia is almost in a car accident.
So you think this is when she crossed over into the other dimension, I am confused?
Just posting it here because I was pretty happy with people thinking I was on to something when Season 1 ended.
The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.
Was this in earlier episodes.
No it was in the season finale, on her way to meet Bell Olivia is almost in a car accident.
So you think this is when she crossed over into the other dimension, I am confused?
I think that's a reasonable assumption.
I definitely get the feel that it's more important than just being a near-accident, especially since it's in the season finale. Plus, in the episode with the Pyro Twins, when we see Olivia 'shifting' into the alternate universe (That sounds weird. What are we calling it?), she runs into someone at the office. And while that's a pretty thin case, it's also an easy way for the writers to show a shift in something.
Whatever it is, if the near-accident turns out to be just that, with no other importance, it'd be a bit of a let-down.
If anyone on the show is distracting with their lack of chops it's Joshua Jackson. I don't believe for one second that is a person with an exhaustive criminal record, or one who has committed acts of violence.
John Noble is awesome as Walter, though. He's just a great actor. I don't like it as much when he's having random food cravings as when he's just acting generally deranged.
Josua Jackson, sadly, has nothing to work with on the show. Hopefully he'll get some actual depth of character due to the reveal in the last season finale.
I am clinging to some weird hope that the reason Joshua Jackson seems kind of constantly emotionally unattached and blank is intentional because of where he's actually from.
And as per what I said above, I believe that the near car accident was when her 'shift' happened, and I also believe it's possible that she - somewhere - was killed. Which creates an interesting moral dilemma. What if in order to shift her over into Bell's world, they had to kill her in a car accident, and zap her over into one where she survives?
Can you get two people from 2 dimensions existing in one at the same time? Or is the very reason Walter could bring Peter back BECAUSE his Peter had already died? Therefore, in order to travel, you're constantly killing other versions?
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Mike Danger"Diane..."a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered Userregular
Mike Danger"Diane..."a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered Userregular
edited July 2009
1) there are lots of universes, only slightly different
1a) there are lots of yous, only slightly different
2) due to God/SCIENCE!, there can only be one instance of you in a universe at a time
2a) but in some universes, you are dead
3) you can travel to a universe where you are dead and take the place of the local instance
4) Bell's method of traveling involves zapping an instance in order to jump from universe to universe
Also supporting the idea that Olivia jumped during narrowly avoided car crash.
Doesn't that relegate the elevator ride to simply a locational shift?
It just seems unnecessarily complex to explain what is shown to the viewer as both a shift in universal and locational place was really just a location swap and, in fact, the universal shift occurred outside of the elevator incident which explains it (visually) well enough. We saw the flashing in and out of other people on that elevator, which would indicate a universal shift.
Or something completely different, entirely.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that the (near) accident would have more meaning, and a shift into a slightly different universe prior to the shift to Bell's universe would make for some cool concepts to play with in Season 2. Are we certain that Olivia hasn't been shifting all over the place, between universes so similar there would seem to be no division?
One of the things I love about this show is that they explain almost everything. It's certainly a step up from Lost's damn wheels within wheels.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that the (near) accident would have more meaning, and a shift into a slightly different universe prior to the shift to Bell's universe would make for some cool concepts to play with in Season 2. Are we certain that Olivia hasn't been shifting all over the place, between universes so similar there would seem to be no division?
I've been meaning to go back and watch the last few episodes over because of this. We had one episode where she was shifting all over the place, and then it seemed to just kind of stop. I want to go back and watch and see if it became very subtle, or if it just kind of... didn't happen until the finale.
I tend to watch things the first time just for the enjoyment of it, and then go back if there is subtext I think I may have missed... I may have missed something the first go-round.
Edit/Addendum: Should "SPOILERS" be added to the title now? It's kind of difficult to have these kinds of conversations all in spoiler tags.
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I look forward to the second series, as series one started out with some very rough edges but managed to become something interesting. So I hope they can continue from there, maybe with a bit more money to spend on paying people to think about the plots before they start writing.
Still, I'm sure that Pacey will still have a fantastic coat, and that is half the battle.
She is well dressed.
I only got to see from Episode 10-on because that's all that was available on Hulu when I discovered it, but I definitely enjoyed the show. Looking forward to Season Two.
Same, I do hope Hulu gets the first 10 episodes again.
Why not?
The near miss car accident was the cross over into Bell's world I think. I'm betting some dimensional Olivia is dead, and we were shifted over to the one that swerved and missed the car.
Was this in earlier episodes.
No it was in the season finale, on her way to meet Bell Olivia is almost in a car accident.
My wife and I freaked.
I like the clip of him at American Idol. Everyone's going nuts and he's just sitting there.
The Observer is pretty awesome, though. The conversation on the beach during the finale is probably one of my favorite moments in the show.
I think that's a reasonable assumption.
I definitely get the feel that it's more important than just being a near-accident, especially since it's in the season finale. Plus, in the episode with the Pyro Twins, when we see Olivia 'shifting' into the alternate universe (That sounds weird. What are we calling it?), she runs into someone at the office. And while that's a pretty thin case, it's also an easy way for the writers to show a shift in something.
Whatever it is, if the near-accident turns out to be just that, with no other importance, it'd be a bit of a let-down.
Oh and "Pacey" is Joshua Jackson.
I hope your life takes a similar detour.
Either way I'm good
John Noble is awesome as Walter, though. He's just a great actor. I don't like it as much when he's having random food cravings as when he's just acting generally deranged.
ALSO I am really wanting more Leonard Nimoy.
And as per what I said above, I believe that the near car accident was when her 'shift' happened, and I also believe it's possible that she - somewhere - was killed. Which creates an interesting moral dilemma. What if in order to shift her over into Bell's world, they had to kill her in a car accident, and zap her over into one where she survives?
Can you get two people from 2 dimensions existing in one at the same time? Or is the very reason Walter could bring Peter back BECAUSE his Peter had already died? Therefore, in order to travel, you're constantly killing other versions?
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1a) there are lots of yous, only slightly different
2) due to God/SCIENCE!, there can only be one instance of you in a universe at a time
2a) but in some universes, you are dead
3) you can travel to a universe where you are dead and take the place of the local instance
4) Bell's method of traveling involves zapping an instance in order to jump from universe to universe
Doesn't that relegate the elevator ride to simply a locational shift?
It just seems unnecessarily complex to explain what is shown to the viewer as both a shift in universal and locational place was really just a location swap and, in fact, the universal shift occurred outside of the elevator incident which explains it (visually) well enough. We saw the flashing in and out of other people on that elevator, which would indicate a universal shift.
Or something completely different, entirely.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that the (near) accident would have more meaning, and a shift into a slightly different universe prior to the shift to Bell's universe would make for some cool concepts to play with in Season 2. Are we certain that Olivia hasn't been shifting all over the place, between universes so similar there would seem to be no division?
One of the things I love about this show is that they explain almost everything. It's certainly a step up from Lost's damn wheels within wheels.
I've been meaning to go back and watch the last few episodes over because of this. We had one episode where she was shifting all over the place, and then it seemed to just kind of stop. I want to go back and watch and see if it became very subtle, or if it just kind of... didn't happen until the finale.
I tend to watch things the first time just for the enjoyment of it, and then go back if there is subtext I think I may have missed... I may have missed something the first go-round.
Edit/Addendum: Should "SPOILERS" be added to the title now? It's kind of difficult to have these kinds of conversations all in spoiler tags.