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The American Conservative Union asked FedEx for a check for $2 million to $3 million in return for the group’s support in a bitter legislative dispute, then the group’s chairman flipped and sided with UPS after FedEx refused to pay.
For the $2 million plus, ACU offered a range of services that included: “Producing op-eds and articles written by ACU’s Chairman David Keene and/or other members of the ACU’s board of directors. (Note that Mr. Keene writes a weekly column that appears in The Hill.)â€
The conservative group’s remarkable demand — black-and-white proof of the longtime Washington practice known as “pay for play†— was contained in a private letter to FedEx , which was provided to POLITICO.
The letter exposes the practice by some political interest groups of taking stands not for reasons of pure principle, as their members and supporters might assume, but also in part because a sponsor is paying big money.
That's pretty much as close to intellectual whoredom as you can get without putting on the miniskirt and fishnet stockings. And it shows that the stances these groups take aren't always driven by ideology, but by cold hard cash. What saddens me is how blatant the ACU was. No subterfuge, no quid pro quo scheme - just an out and out price tag.
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edited July 2009
Pretty much confirms what we should have already known - political groups take kickbacks for supporting various companies in different industries. You're right though. You'd think these guys would be better at hiding this shit. :P
I guess I am not surprised one bit though - ACU is a disgusting mouthpiece of an organisation so this type of muck-raking would be right up their alley...
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I guess I am not surprised one bit though - ACU is a disgusting mouthpiece of an organisation so this type of muck-raking would be right up their alley...
Please. I would be shocked if the same weren't true of other think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute, or the Brookings Institution.
Hey that might very well be true... I guess I just particularly dislike ACU for all the accumulated bullshit they've pushed out over the years (not to mention CPAC).
Is there a legal or legislative change in the future?
That does what? Think tanks are basically free-market advocacy organizations. They don't really have any legal standing that can be restricted, at least not without serious First Amendment violations. If one wants to go mercenary, that's their business. Looks pretty bad for PR though.
I guess I am not surprised one bit though - ACU is a disgusting mouthpiece of an organisation so this type of muck-raking would be right up their alley...
Please. I would be shocked if the same weren't true of other think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute, or the Brookings Institution.
Shocked.
The ACU just got caught.
Vague statements about unverifiable equivalencies are fun, huh?
I guess I am not surprised one bit though - ACU is a disgusting mouthpiece of an organisation so this type of muck-raking would be right up their alley...
Please. I would be shocked if the same weren't true of other think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute, or the Brookings Institution.
Shocked.
The ACU just got caught.
Vague statements about unverifiable equivalencies are fun, huh?
There's no evidence whatsoever but its obviously true because they are totally equal in every way!:x
ITT only conservative organizations do terrible corrupt things
Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
Can you find a comparable case?
Not off the top of my head. It seems pretty goddamn naive, however, to assume that most powerful lobbying groups like this, who pay their people quite well, aren't at the very least getting tit-for-tat donations, even if it isn't this blatant. I'm quite comfortable in my cynicism.
ITT only conservative organizations do terrible corrupt things
Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
Can you find a comparable case?
Not off the top of my head. It seems pretty goddamn naive, however, to assume that most powerful lobbying groups like this, who pay their people quite well, aren't at the very least getting tit-for-tat donations, even if it isn't this blatant. I'm quite comfortable in my cynicism.
It seems like one group of people doing something is somehow not evidence that an entirely different group of people is doing the same thing.
To put it another way: people have been convicted of murders, therefore you committed murders. You see how there is no power of causation in that argument?
Yes, this is a liberal echo chamber, but boldly asserting "they must've done it" isn't a convincing argument to anyone but the paranoid.
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edited July 2009
The fact that this given group happens to have a particular political bent doesn't necessarily mean, given that the article doesn't give any indication this behaviour is widespread, that all think tanks of the same political bent engage in the same practise. Granted, it doesn't really paint them in a very flattering light.
It would be interesting, as Speaker offered, to see whether this is motivated by a decline in cash flow or just standard operating practise at the ACU.
I always thought think-tanks were opinion-for-hire outfits, how else would they make money?
Does anyone really look to them for impartial analysis?
The idea is that a think tank will have an ideological focus, and their positions stem from that. For instance, Cato is basically Libertarians 'R Us, so they take stances based on that. They're not supposed to be mercenaries.
I always thought think-tanks were opinion-for-hire outfits, how else would they make money?
Does anyone really look to them for impartial analysis?
The idea is that a think tank will have an ideological focus, and their positions stem from that. For instance, Cato is basically Libertarians 'R Us, so they take stances based on that. They're not supposed to be mercenaries.
In this case, the egregious part is when it switched sides.
ITT only conservative organizations do terrible corrupt things
Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
ITT conservatives doing something means randomly selected liberals did too.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty
except conservatives
edit: not defending ACU, I'm just amused that folks think it's okay to say that they aren't surprised to see a conservative group doing this, but are shocked that some one would suggest a liberal group might ever do it too.
Politics is ugly REGARDLESS of idealogical slants.
ITT only conservative organizations do terrible corrupt things
Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
Can you find a comparable case?
Not off the top of my head. It seems pretty goddamn naive, however, to assume that most powerful lobbying groups like this, who pay their people quite well, aren't at the very least getting tit-for-tat donations, even if it isn't this blatant. I'm quite comfortable in my cynicism.
Except that there are probably laws about how charities, unions, and public health organizations can spend their money; there aren't those sorts of laws for businesses.
Maybe you can explain to me what businesses benefit most from anti-corporate legislation? Anti-gun legislation...? Pro-drug legalization legislation...? Low-income advocacy groups...?
These are not areas where there is big money on the advocacy end in existance for them to sell out to, as opposed to pretty much every group on the Republican side of things, with the possible exception of the pro-Jesus crowd; but there, they mostly rely on individual donations, anyhow.
ITT only conservative organizations do terrible corrupt things
Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
ITT conservatives doing something means randomly selected liberals did too.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty
except conservatives
edit: not defending ACU, I'm just amused that folks think it's okay to say that they aren't surprised to see a conservative group doing this, but are shocked that some one would suggest a liberal group might ever do it too.
Politics is ugly REGARDLESS of idealogical slants.
I'm not shocked that someone would suggest this happens on both sides of the aisle.
I'm mystified by the idea that it happening on one side automatically equates to it happening on the other (or that it happened once meaning that it's automatically happened elsewhere regardless of partisanship), and a little pissed off that the mapping of false equivalencies between things that may have happened and corrupt shit we know has happened somehow constitutes a defense.
Equivalencies are a smoke screen to mask wrongdoing. False equivalencies based purely on conjecture are bullshit attempts to make one side look less like an asshole when this stuff actually happens.
I am too lazy and tired and procrastinated-ative right now, but if someone would be so kind as to look at the campaign contributions to both major Presidential candidates this past election, you would find that the majority of corporations/groups/organizations sponsor both candidates equally.
Admittedly, during elections, Republicans sometimes, but not often are ever-so-slightly financially favored when it comes to the amounts donated by the big bad scary corporations that we, the electorate, have absolutely no part in giving these giants that much financial clout.
So, before we discuss what a think-tank is and isn't supposed to do, maybe we should agree upon a common definition. One person might view these as ideologically-driven philanthropic organizations, bravely sparring us the tedious exercise known as research. Another might see them as mercenaries for hire, you will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Or maybe we hold both ideas as proper definitions and apply them to the people we do or don't agree with.
Let's look at the term 'think tank'. Let's go to Wikipedia, the ever-helpful source when it comes to someone or something that isn't important enough to be lied about.
A think tank (also called a policy institute) is an organization, institute, corporation, or group that conducts research and engages in advocacy in areas such as social policy, political strategy, economy, science or technology issues, industrial or business policies, or military advice.
Also, let's look at the term in relation to its two core components.
Think
v.tr.
1. To have or formulate in the mind.
2.
- 1. To reason about or reflect on; ponder: Think how complex language is. Think the matter through.
- 2. To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering: thinking what to do.
3. To judge or regard; look upon: I think it only fair.
4. To believe; suppose: always thought he was right.
5.
- 1. To expect; hope: They thought she'd arrive early.
- 2. To intend: They thought they'd take their time.
6. To call to mind; remember: I can't think what her name was.
7. To visualize; imagine: Think what a scene it will be at the reunion.
8. To devise or evolve; invent: thought up a plan to get rich quick.
9. To bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation: He thought himself into a panic over the impending examination.
10. To concentrate one's thoughts on: “Think languor” (Diana Vreeland).
an enclosed armored military vehicle; has a cannon and moves on caterpillar treads
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A GODDAMN WAR MACHINE
Now when you think about what think tank means in relation to its two core words, you get 'using thought as a weapon' or 'thought as a tool of conflict'.
When you put that in the metaphorical war context, are you honestly surprised that, like war, there are people who are willing to fight not for honor or country but for cold hard cash?
ITT only conservative organizations do terrible corrupt things
Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
Can you find a comparable case?
Not off the top of my head. It seems pretty goddamn naive, however, to assume that most powerful lobbying groups like this, who pay their people quite well, aren't at the very least getting tit-for-tat donations, even if it isn't this blatant. I'm quite comfortable in my cynicism.
Except that there are probably laws about how charities, unions, and public health organizations can spend their money; there aren't those sorts of laws for businesses.
Maybe you can explain to me what businesses benefit most from anti-corporate legislation? Anti-gun legislation...? Pro-drug legalization legislation...? Low-income advocacy groups...?
These are not areas where there is big money on the advocacy end in existance for them to sell out to, as opposed to pretty much every group on the Republican side of things, with the possible exception of the pro-Jesus crowd; but there, they mostly rely on individual donations, anyhow.
...charities, unions, and public health organizations aren't think tanks, so I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here.
Also, I am rather shocked by this. You'd think corruption and blackmail would be more thought out and take more interesting shapes than a form letter. Hollywood has ruined everything with their drama.
ITT only conservative organizations do terrible corrupt things
Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
Can you find a comparable case?
Not off the top of my head. It seems pretty goddamn naive, however, to assume that most powerful lobbying groups like this, who pay their people quite well, aren't at the very least getting tit-for-tat donations, even if it isn't this blatant. I'm quite comfortable in my cynicism.
Except that there are probably laws about how charities, unions, and public health organizations can spend their money; there aren't those sorts of laws for businesses.
Maybe you can explain to me what businesses benefit most from anti-corporate legislation? Anti-gun legislation...? Pro-drug legalization legislation...? Low-income advocacy groups...?
These are not areas where there is big money on the advocacy end in existance for them to sell out to, as opposed to pretty much every group on the Republican side of things, with the possible exception of the pro-Jesus crowd; but there, they mostly rely on individual donations, anyhow.
...charities, unions, and public health organizations aren't think tanks, so I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here.
Also, I am rather shocked by this. You'd think corruption and blackmail would be more thought out and take more interesting shapes than a form letter. Hollywood has ruined everything with their drama.
He's saying that liberal think tanks tend to have as their clients organizations which have legal frameworks that prevent them from responding to extortion by actually paying the think tank large sums of money. Thus, the "pay us X or we'll hurt you" income model has a harder time working for groups on the side of the aisle that's primarily composed of charities and shoe-string budget advocacy groups.
He's saying that liberal think tanks tend to have as their clients organizations which have legal frameworks that prevent them from responding to extortion by actually paying the think tank large sums of money. Thus, the "pay us X or we'll hurt you" income model has a harder time working for groups on the side of the aisle that's primarily composed of charities and shoe-string budget advocacy groups.
Except that the Democratic constituency is not wholly composed of altruistic organizations kept together by hope and duct tape.
He's saying that liberal think tanks tend to have as their clients organizations which have legal frameworks that prevent them from responding to extortion by actually paying the think tank large sums of money. Thus, the "pay us X or we'll hurt you" income model has a harder time working for groups on the side of the aisle that's primarily composed of charities and shoe-string budget advocacy groups.
Except that the Democratic constituency is not wholly composed of altruistic organizations kept together by hope and duct tape.
Not exclusively, no. But there are more of those than there are large corporations (like the ones in the article) that want a progressive think tank doing their PR. Big money swings right, as it were.
Edit: And the types of organizations that are going to be looking to these think tanks for help are probably ideologically aligned enough with them to know that failure to pay the extortion fees isn't going to cause the tank in question to swing over to the opposite side of the issue.
Liberal think tanks like the Center for American Progress don't have to sell themselves out on individual issues. They get enough money from the various foundations funded by George Soros, Peter Lewis, and other liberal billionaires that such whoring isn't necessary. They have been paid in advance.
Liberal think tanks like Center for American Progress don't have to sell themselves out on individual issues. They get enough money from the various foundations funded by George Soros, Peter Lewis, and other liberal billionaires that such whoring isn't necessary.
So what you're saying is that Richard Mellon Scaife is slacking on the sugar daddy stuff?
He's saying that liberal think tanks tend to have as their clients organizations which have legal frameworks that prevent them from responding to extortion by actually paying the think tank large sums of money. Thus, the "pay us X or we'll hurt you" income model has a harder time working for groups on the side of the aisle that's primarily composed of charities and shoe-string budget advocacy groups.
Except that the Democratic constituency is not wholly composed of altruistic organizations kept together by hope and duct tape.
Not exclusively, no. But there are more of those than there are large corporations (like the ones in the article) that want a progressive think tank doing their PR. Big money swings right, as it were.
Perhaps, but at the same time I doubt this group would be extorting the Chamber of Commerce.
He's saying that liberal think tanks tend to have as their clients organizations which have legal frameworks that prevent them from responding to extortion by actually paying the think tank large sums of money. Thus, the "pay us X or we'll hurt you" income model has a harder time working for groups on the side of the aisle that's primarily composed of charities and shoe-string budget advocacy groups.
Except that the Democratic constituency is not wholly composed of altruistic organizations kept together by hope and duct tape.
Not exclusively, no. But there are more of those than there are large corporations (like the ones in the article) that want a progressive think tank doing their PR. Big money swings right, as it were.
Perhaps, but at the same time I doubt this group would be extorting the Chamber of Commerce.
And I doubt companies like FedEx are going to be asking Progress For America to write OpEds for them.
He's saying that liberal think tanks tend to have as their clients organizations which have legal frameworks that prevent them from responding to extortion by actually paying the think tank large sums of money. Thus, the "pay us X or we'll hurt you" income model has a harder time working for groups on the side of the aisle that's primarily composed of charities and shoe-string budget advocacy groups.
Except that the Democratic constituency is not wholly composed of altruistic organizations kept together by hope and duct tape.
Not exclusively, no. But there are more of those than there are large corporations (like the ones in the article) that want a progressive think tank doing their PR. Big money swings right, as it were.
Perhaps, but at the same time I doubt this group would be extorting the Chamber of Commerce.
And I doubt companies like FedEx are going to be asking Progress For America to write OpEds for them.
Interestingly, FedEx is not the only corporation that exists in the United States nor is it the sole entity with a greater than $3m budget.
He's saying that liberal think tanks tend to have as their clients organizations which have legal frameworks that prevent them from responding to extortion by actually paying the think tank large sums of money. Thus, the "pay us X or we'll hurt you" income model has a harder time working for groups on the side of the aisle that's primarily composed of charities and shoe-string budget advocacy groups.
Except that the Democratic constituency is not wholly composed of altruistic organizations kept together by hope and duct tape.
Not exclusively, no. But there are more of those than there are large corporations (like the ones in the article) that want a progressive think tank doing their PR. Big money swings right, as it were.
Perhaps, but at the same time I doubt this group would be extorting the Chamber of Commerce.
And I doubt companies like FedEx are going to be asking Progress For America to write OpEds for them.
Interestingly, FedEx is not the only corporation that exists in the United States nor is it the sole entity with a greater than $3m budget.
Ha ha. My point is that those entities solely set up to turn a profit are unlikely to be lining up to buy print from progressive think tanks when they've got much tighter bedfellows (probably direct links, even) with the ones on the right.
Ha ha. My point is that those entities solely set up to turn a profit are unlikely to be lining up to buy print from progressive think tanks when they've got much tighter bedfellows (probably direct links, even) with the ones on the right.
That would depend entirely on the legislation being discussed. You don't think GE is the least bit interested in new regulatory structures requiring the purchase of Wind Turbines or the promotion of new Locomotive investments by Amtrak or Heavy Rail transit organizations such as Metra or the MTA?
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It really depends if we're truly entering a period of liberal/Democratic dominance. If so, the liberal think tanks will get a ton more money from corporate interests.
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I guess I am not surprised one bit though - ACU is a disgusting mouthpiece of an organisation so this type of muck-raking would be right up their alley...
Please. I would be shocked if the same weren't true of other think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute, or the Brookings Institution.
Shocked.
The ACU just got caught.
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There's no evidence whatsoever but its obviously true because they are totally equal in every way!:x
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Everyone knows progressives/liberals are pure as the driven snow
Can you find a comparable case?
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Not off the top of my head. It seems pretty goddamn naive, however, to assume that most powerful lobbying groups like this, who pay their people quite well, aren't at the very least getting tit-for-tat donations, even if it isn't this blatant. I'm quite comfortable in my cynicism.
It seems like one group of people doing something is somehow not evidence that an entirely different group of people is doing the same thing.
To put it another way: people have been convicted of murders, therefore you committed murders. You see how there is no power of causation in that argument?
Yes, this is a liberal echo chamber, but boldly asserting "they must've done it" isn't a convincing argument to anyone but the paranoid.
It would be interesting, as Speaker offered, to see whether this is motivated by a decline in cash flow or just standard operating practise at the ACU.
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Does anyone really look to them for impartial analysis?
The idea is that a think tank will have an ideological focus, and their positions stem from that. For instance, Cato is basically Libertarians 'R Us, so they take stances based on that. They're not supposed to be mercenaries.
In this case, the egregious part is when it switched sides.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty
except conservatives
edit: not defending ACU, I'm just amused that folks think it's okay to say that they aren't surprised to see a conservative group doing this, but are shocked that some one would suggest a liberal group might ever do it too.
Politics is ugly REGARDLESS of idealogical slants.
Maybe you can explain to me what businesses benefit most from anti-corporate legislation? Anti-gun legislation...? Pro-drug legalization legislation...? Low-income advocacy groups...?
These are not areas where there is big money on the advocacy end in existance for them to sell out to, as opposed to pretty much every group on the Republican side of things, with the possible exception of the pro-Jesus crowd; but there, they mostly rely on individual donations, anyhow.
I'm mystified by the idea that it happening on one side automatically equates to it happening on the other (or that it happened once meaning that it's automatically happened elsewhere regardless of partisanship), and a little pissed off that the mapping of false equivalencies between things that may have happened and corrupt shit we know has happened somehow constitutes a defense.
Equivalencies are a smoke screen to mask wrongdoing. False equivalencies based purely on conjecture are bullshit attempts to make one side look less like an asshole when this stuff actually happens.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
ITT we find out that the ACU do/have done possibly corrupt things.
I fail to see how this has anything to do with any other conservative Think Tank or liberal Think Tanks. I must be comprehending the article too much.
Admittedly, during elections, Republicans sometimes, but not often are ever-so-slightly financially favored when it comes to the amounts donated by the big bad scary corporations that we, the electorate, have absolutely no part in giving these giants that much financial clout.
So, before we discuss what a think-tank is and isn't supposed to do, maybe we should agree upon a common definition. One person might view these as ideologically-driven philanthropic organizations, bravely sparring us the tedious exercise known as research. Another might see them as mercenaries for hire, you will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Or maybe we hold both ideas as proper definitions and apply them to the people we do or don't agree with.
Let's look at the term 'think tank'. Let's go to Wikipedia, the ever-helpful source when it comes to someone or something that isn't important enough to be lied about.
Also, let's look at the term in relation to its two core components.
Think source: http://www.answers.com/topic/think
Tank source: google.com
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Now when you think about what think tank means in relation to its two core words, you get 'using thought as a weapon' or 'thought as a tool of conflict'.
When you put that in the metaphorical war context, are you honestly surprised that, like war, there are people who are willing to fight not for honor or country but for cold hard cash?
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...charities, unions, and public health organizations aren't think tanks, so I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here.
Also, I am rather shocked by this. You'd think corruption and blackmail would be more thought out and take more interesting shapes than a form letter. Hollywood has ruined everything with their drama.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Except that the Democratic constituency is not wholly composed of altruistic organizations kept together by hope and duct tape.
Edit: And the types of organizations that are going to be looking to these think tanks for help are probably ideologically aligned enough with them to know that failure to pay the extortion fees isn't going to cause the tank in question to swing over to the opposite side of the issue.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
So what you're saying is that Richard Mellon Scaife is slacking on the sugar daddy stuff?
Perhaps, but at the same time I doubt this group would be extorting the Chamber of Commerce.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Interestingly, FedEx is not the only corporation that exists in the United States nor is it the sole entity with a greater than $3m budget.
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That would depend entirely on the legislation being discussed. You don't think GE is the least bit interested in new regulatory structures requiring the purchase of Wind Turbines or the promotion of new Locomotive investments by Amtrak or Heavy Rail transit organizations such as Metra or the MTA?
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