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Make people pay for their own prison term?
ANTVGM64
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This is kind of cool.
To summarize, a New York lawmaker wants to make rich people who are convicted of various crimes, pay for their own prison stay, the example for the article was Bernie Madoff.
I think it's a pretty cool idea.
To summarize, a New York lawmaker wants to make rich people who are convicted of various crimes, pay for their own prison stay, the example for the article was Bernie Madoff.
I think it's a pretty cool idea.
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Some immediate concerns that come to mind:
-How does the bill define 'white-collar criminals'?
-Someone who owes $50,000 on his $100,000 house and supports a family of five is already in enough trouble if sent to prison. This seems kind of ham-handed.
this is a fine that goes to a certain place, pretty much
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
is this supposed to reduce our enormous prison cost?
Relevant bit here:
This just seems like a fancy fine dressed up to take advantage of Madoff's case.
Not on it's own, I guess. Just the possible extrapolations that lead to "bullet fees" and such.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
or we could just not pay inmates for the jobs they do in jails. that would save us money (obviously not a ton). but why are we paying them? anyway...
If the sentencing isn't harsh enough, and their treatment within correctional facilities is too lax, why not push to make sentencing and prison guidelines more harsh rather than tacking extra fines and shit on more broadly? It's not double jeopardy like some 'tough on criminals, grrr!' crap, but it seems like it's attacking the leaves of a problem rather than its root.
Not to mention that usually what they're getting paid just goes towards their restitution, that is usually so much that there's no way a convicted felon will ever be able to pay it.
Or even the very paragraph after the one I quoted. Well, this is what happens when I get distracted in mid-post and come back to finish without reviewing my position.
Frankly, I don't think all white collar criminals are created equal, and as such they don't all merit the same penalty tacked onto their sentences just because they happen to be in the same tax bracket.
Second of all, this extra penalty has less impact on white collar criminals with more money. To a millionaire, this would be a drop in the bucket.
If you really want to save money, push for fewer prisoners rather than forcing a small subset of prisoners to fork over several thousand dollars. If you really want to hurt these guys more, push for stiffer sentences, not this petty shit that the worst of them won't even feel.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
So why not push for a bill making various white collar criminal acts that much worse? Either through mandatory minimums (though I rather hate those) or by changing sentencing guidelines to make it represent the truly deplorable, premeditated, and truly cold blooded reality of white collar crime and the lives it destroys? I can't think of anyone (outside of people currently perpetrating wire fraud) who wouldn't go 'fuck yeah!' to that.
meh... i dont see it as slavery. they dont pay for their food, education, health care (other then like a $5 co-pay), water, electricity, sewage, cable, etc...
aslo. i didnt know it went the their restitution. still doesnt change my opinion.
If I shoplift because I can't afford to buy food, the penalty is actually more in many states than if I shoplift an expensive suit just because I want the thrill, but can afford to buy it. That's fucking ridiculous, and the opposite should be true; need should be a mitigating factor for a crime, not an aggravating one.
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a punishment and just a way of paying for someone's incarceration.
This bill is pretty stupid, though. If your assets amount to at least $200,000 then you must pay for your entire sentence. At the $70.75 cost per day quoted in the article that would mean if you actually had $200,000 available you would only be able to finance approximately seven years of your sentence. What happens after that?
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...that's what you just described. Did you mean to say that stealing the suit nets less of a penalty than stealing a loaf of bread?
You don't think some white-collar criminals are worse than other white-collar criminals?
Cuz that's what I meant.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
All in all, reducing the number of people in prison should be a top priority for the nation.
The Enron scandal probably yielded a few, but all I can remember from that was the guy who had an oddly fortuitous heart attack just before sentencing.
Then what you said makes no sense. It is "fucking ridiculous' that a starving man who steals a loaf of bread receives a slap on the wrists of a prison sentence while a rich klepto like Winona Rider is actually penalized?
o_O
He's saying that the penalty for stealing food is higher than the penalty for stealing a suit and that the opposite should be true. I believe his argument stems from "the poor and the minorities get fucked by the justice system and the wealthy get a slap on the wrist".
oh my. you're ridiculous. the treatment that inmates get, from their cable to their health care is nice. its not crap.
its nothing like slavery.
Except that the exact opposite of what his words mean and apparently my trying to correct him was out of bounds.
Hell yeah brah those convicts really have it good, wish I was a convict
Actually, re-reading what he wrote, you're right.
How is not being compensated for the labour you perform not the very definition of slavery? What, are they interning for course credit at Mafia U?
We probably shouldn't make prisoners hate society any more than they already probably do.
Capturing someone and making them work is slavery.