Rainbow Six: Vegas on PC

SkronkingDonkey

I just grabbed it today on my lunch, has anyone else here been playing it on pc yet? Any word on if the PC version is garbage like Lockdown or actually fun like Raven Shield?

Kewop Decam

i dunno, but playing Coop with my brother is fun as shit!

Boilerbird

I've heard it's more console-y than Raven Shield, but not as bad as Lockdown. I've been waiting for the reviews to come out for this one, because I haven't bought a PC FPS since FEAR and my trigger finger's getting itchy.

On that note, any idea how GR:AW (PC version) stacks up to the original Ghost Recon?

Zephos

I'm not sure how the PC version will hold up, since Ubi has been doing wierd things with the 360/pc ports but the 360 version is fun as hell.

online is fucking amazing, i havnt even made it past the 1st little part really on single player because multi is just sinking my time up.

Basticle

I myself have been waiting to hear if it sucks. I find it not very comforting that there are no reviews yet (at least according to Game Rankings) when the games been out for 3 days and most reviews are available weeks before release. And the fact that theres not going to be a demo.

Boilerbird wrote:

I've heard it's more console-y than Raven Shield, but not as bad as Lockdown. I've been waiting for the reviews to come out for this one, because I haven't bought a PC FPS since FEAR and my trigger finger's getting itchy.

On that note, any idea how GR:AW (PC version) stacks up to the original Ghost Recon?

Its nothing like the original. I did like it in its own way but the online community was pretty much dead from the beginning due to all the bugs and the fact that there was no dedicated server files* until like 5 months after release.


* technically there were dedicated servers but not in the traditional sense. they were like the first GR in that you could have an actual copy of the game running as a dedicated host but to run the game you have to meet the minimum requirements. Like, say, a video card. Server companies therefore have to have a computer with a video card set up with the game in the DVD drive in order to host.

SkronkingDonkey

Well, I officially love this game. Well, the single player at least. I haven't tried multi yet. Still getting used to the 'take cover' aspect.

Basicly its "Leaning For Dummies"... but its good. You get into some pretty cool gunfights with it, waiting for the reload, posting when they're hiding... makes for some fun.

One thing they've added that to me should have always been there, because frankly it makes sense... is the ability to pick up weapons and any matching ammo left laying around... its pretty logical lol.

Graphics = great! although on 1600x1200 it started to bog down after about 10min of play, this is on a core2 duo e6600 with an MSI 7900GTO (512), which I would think can handle it...

I think tonight will be some multi-player.. the testing continues..

Does anyone else have input?

Cheers,
SkronkingDonkey (aka SYG=>Candyman)

PikaPuff

bloodyroar returned it because it was so horrible.

the high res => crash thing. you're getting slowdowns, most just straight up crash. plus many many other bugs make the PC version horrible.

so I hear.

Evil Multifarious

I'm having no problems with it and I'm really enjoying the single player. On realistic mode it is very tough.

tofu

I have't encountered a lot of bugs (except the game only starts maybe 1 out of 5 times I click the executable) but the lack of a quicksave and spawning enemies are wearing on me. I don't like clearing out a room and while I'm leaving being shot in the back by a triggered spawn and then have to clean out the room again and the two rooms before it because of the stupid checkpoint system.

Raslin

I'd let you guys know how it plays and everything.

But, you know, you have to have a card that runs Shader model 3.0 to play it.

Guess the Radeon X850 is just way too weak to run this game.

GrimReaper

So, this is nothing like Rogue Spear then?

That was the last Rainbow Six game I bought, I kinda think it reached its pinnacle there.

FreddyD

Raslin wrote:

I'd let you guys know how it plays and everything.

But, you know, you have to have a card that runs Shader model 3.0 to play it.

Guess the Radeon X850 is just way too weak to run this game.

It seems to me that they are just too lazy to optimize the code for PCs. GRAW ran like a dog even on great hardware.

Dulath

The game is not related to the true Rainbow Six style at all. There is no mission planning or multi-team tactics. It's more like Splinter Cell and GRAW now.

That said, it's still a pretty fun game, and very beautiful.

Still, I knew the realistic game play was out the window when I started the game up for the first time on Realistic, and the first enemy you encounter, wearing no armor, takes 5 or more shots from your MP5N from a couple of yards away to bring down.

GrimReaper

Dulath wrote:

The game is not related to the true Rainbow Six style at all. There is no mission planning or multi-team tactics. It's more like Splinter Cell and GRAW now.

That said, it's still a pretty fun game, and very beautiful.

Still, I knew the realistic game play was out the window when I started the game up for the first time on Realistic, and the first enemy you encounter, wearing no armor, takes 5 or more shots from your MP5N from a couple of yards away to bring down.

Aww...

I really enjoyed the whole mission planning etc. So, it's essentially more of a first person shooter now?

Can you at least heavilly customise your loadout etc like in Rogue Spear? SA-80 FTW! That gun was godlike in RS. Assault rifle and sniper rifle all rolled into one.

Damn, now i'm getting tempted to go dig out my Rogue Spear cd and play it.

SkronkingDonkey

yeah no planning... but no HBS's that I've seen so far! lol.

The ingame tactical stuff is ok, pointing at something and telling your two guys to go to it, or wait at the door for your signal, c4 something etc... On one hand they had the same sort of thing for Republic Commando, on the other hand you can set up your team in a big firefight scenario so that it really makes a difference.. you have to really think on the fly tactically to succeed in some situations.

However it *does* feel like a port.. Its a game made for the console where you don't have key options or hardware.. Its been 'streamlined' essentially which really sucks in some aspects.

But yes.. it is a lot of fun to play, but it is not what the old Rainbow games were.

tofu

I keep wishing I had the same level of squad control as I do in SWAT 4. If only that had the cool cover system Vegas has...

Basticle

Dulath wrote:

The game is not related to the true Rainbow Six style at all. There is no mission planning or multi-team tactics. It's more like Splinter Cell and GRAW now.

That said, it's still a pretty fun game, and very beautiful.

Still, I knew the realistic game play was out the window when I started the game up for the first time on Realistic, and the first enemy you encounter, wearing no armor, takes 5 or more shots from your MP5N from a couple of yards away to bring down.

I....wow.

SkronkingDonkey

Dulath wrote:

The game is not related to the true Rainbow Six style at all. There is no mission planning or multi-team tactics. It's more like Splinter Cell and GRAW now.

That said, it's still a pretty fun game, and very beautiful.

Still, I knew the realistic game play was out the window when I started the game up for the first time on Realistic, and the first enemy you encounter, wearing no armor, takes 5 or more shots from your MP5N from a couple of yards away to bring down.

Were you shooting him in the leg? if so try for the head, or "center of mass" as they call it

Death_Claw

I hate Ubi for what they did with Rainbow Six. Yes the new games aren´t bad, in fact they can be a lot fun as some people pointed out, but they just aren´t Rainbow Six. I mean if you want to make a more action oriented FPS, go ahead and do it, just don´t call it Rainbow Six and kill the best Tactical FPS series out there...

Neo Rasa

Death_Claw wrote:

I hate Ubi for what they did with Rainbow Six. Yes the new games aren´t bad, in fact they can be a lot fun as some people pointed out, but they just aren´t Rainbow Six. I mean if you want to make a more action oriented FPS, go ahead and do it, just don´t call it Rainbow Six and kill the best Tactical FPS series out there...

As much as I talk about how much I hate PC gaming and the attitude of most PC gamers, I do have to say that as far as I'm concerned the last Rainbow Six game was Athena Sword.

Dashui

Any opinions on the PC version of the game?

Resident0

I played it on a turdy PC and i got it on 360, i enjoyed the 360 version especially the dual room storming.

Sending half your squad in to pacify some lunatic holding someone hostage while i took the back route and blatted him in the back of the skull was AWESOME!

Pancake

You know, I was really hoping they'd bring the series back to how it used to be. I'm not one to usually harp about games being dumbed down for consoles, but with Rainbow Six, they really did.

Without the planning, it's just another tactical FPS. It might be good, but it's just not quite the same. Everything that made it really different is gone.

Dulath

SkronkingDonkey wrote:

Dulath wrote:

The game is not related to the true Rainbow Six style at all. There is no mission planning or multi-team tactics. It's more like Splinter Cell and GRAW now.

That said, it's still a pretty fun game, and very beautiful.

Still, I knew the realistic game play was out the window when I started the game up for the first time on Realistic, and the first enemy you encounter, wearing no armor, takes 5 or more shots from your MP5N from a couple of yards away to bring down.

Were you shooting him in the leg? if so try for the head, or "center of mass" as they call it

I instinctly aim for the "center of mass" (torso) in every FPS I play, even CS (which is why I suck at it these days). This reminds me of a couple of other annoying things about Vegas:

Scripting. Vegas relies heavily on it. Every time you step through this certain door, 5 enemies stream in from that door across the room, saying the same things. Every time you step over this invisible line, enemies break glass and rappel into the middle of the room in the same order.

Linear: In previous Rainbow Sixes, you are presented with an entirely fleshed out building/environment. You can go in the back door, the front door, the windows, etc. Vegas is very much linear. They use all the clichéd ways to keep you going through a canyon: endless numbers of locked doors, disabled vehicles, debris, etc

Accuracy: This is actually a problem in most First Person Shooters. The devs always overstate inaccurancies and bullet-spread. The G3A3 is a very accurate rifle, but attach a scope to it and watch your bullets go flying off in some random direction.

Yes. It is a console port.

Basticle

Neo Rasa wrote:

Death_Claw wrote:

I hate Ubi for what they did with Rainbow Six. Yes the new games aren´t bad, in fact they can be a lot fun as some people pointed out, but they just aren´t Rainbow Six. I mean if you want to make a more action oriented FPS, go ahead and do it, just don´t call it Rainbow Six and kill the best Tactical FPS series out there...

As much as I talk about how much I hate PC gaming and the attitude of most PC gamers, I do have to say that as far as I'm concerned the last Rainbow Six game was Athena Sword.

the one that broke Raven Shield? AS added a couple of awsome maps, several totaly useless weapons and a ton of bugs. fucking Ubisoft Milan..

Basticle

Dulath wrote:

SkronkingDonkey wrote:

Dulath wrote:

The game is not related to the true Rainbow Six style at all. There is no mission planning or multi-team tactics. It's more like Splinter Cell and GRAW now.

That said, it's still a pretty fun game, and very beautiful.

Still, I knew the realistic game play was out the window when I started the game up for the first time on Realistic, and the first enemy you encounter, wearing no armor, takes 5 or more shots from your MP5N from a couple of yards away to bring down.

Were you shooting him in the leg? if so try for the head, or "center of mass" as they call it

I instinctly aim for the "center of mass" (torso) in every FPS I play, even CS (which is why I suck at it these days). This reminds me of a couple of other annoying things about Vegas:

Scripting. Vegas relies heavily on it. Every time you step through this certain door, 5 enemies stream in from that door across the room, saying the same things. Every time you step over this invisible line, enemies break glass and rappel into the middle of the room in the same order.

Linear: In previous Rainbow Sixes, you are presented with an entirely fleshed out building/environment. You can go in the back door, the front door, the windows, etc. Vegas is very much linear. They use all the clichéd ways to keep you going through a canyon: endless numbers of locked doors, disabled vehicles, debris, etc

Accuracy: This is actually a problem in most First Person Shooters. The devs always overstate inaccurancies and bullet-spread. The G3A3 is a very accurate rifle, but attach a scope to it and watch your bullets go flying off in some random direction.

Yes. It is a console port.

so uh is the multiplayer anything like Raven Shield?

SithDrummer

Dulath wrote:

The game is not related to the true Rainbow Six style at all. There is no mission planning or multi-team tactics.

Damn it all.

SkronkingDonkey

Basticle wrote:

Neo Rasa wrote:

Death_Claw wrote:

I hate Ubi for what they did with Rainbow Six. Yes the new games aren´t bad, in fact they can be a lot fun as some people pointed out, but they just aren´t Rainbow Six. I mean if you want to make a more action oriented FPS, go ahead and do it, just don´t call it Rainbow Six and kill the best Tactical FPS series out there...

As much as I talk about how much I hate PC gaming and the attitude of most PC gamers, I do have to say that as far as I'm concerned the last Rainbow Six game was Athena Sword.

the one that broke Raven Shield? AS added a couple of awsome maps, several totaly useless weapons and a ton of bugs. fucking Ubisoft Milan..

Yeah I was assuming he meant Raven Shield... AS was just an expansion. A crappy one at that...

And yes, in its current implementation Vegas should not belong to the Rainbow Six title. I've read the book, I've played every R6 release (except lockdown...) and this game is just a fast paced shooter made for consoles and ported to make a few more bucks on PC.

It's too bad it has Tom Clancy's name attached to it, this is a linear, scripted shooter with very little element outside of that. I have yet to read about an elite ERT team comprised of 3 members, two of which are apparently attached at the hip and can't die.

I wish I knew what was in that needle that you stick in your teammate to remove any wounds or affects of being shot... and the mega regeneration that you get.

One thing that made the stakes in the previous Rainbow games was a lot higher was the potential of losing team members, and chosing the right teammembers for the right job was vital.

The teams in Tom Clancy's book were well led and the events were well excecuted, much like how the R6 games were created and played out.

Vegas is like a cross between Knights of the Old Republic and Counter Strike. Both fun, but not worthy of either the TC or R6 name.

King Kong

RSE (Red Storm Entertainment) did the original R6 game, Rogue Spear and the Urban Ops expansion.

Ubisoft basically destroyed the R6 series once they got ahold of it. I tried playing Black Arrow and now Vegas.

This is not R6. Good game but not Rainbow 6.

Just_Bri_Thanks

I just read Rainbow Six. I liked it a lot.

John Clark can be a mean sumamabitch if he puts his mind to it.

Basticle

King Kong wrote:

RSE (Red Storm Entertainment) did the original R6 game, Rogue Spear and the Urban Ops expansion.

Ubisoft basically destroyed the R6 series once they got ahold of it. I tried playing Black Arrow and now Vegas.

This is not R6. Good game but not Rainbow 6.

thats not saying anything. RSE did Lockdown.

MeatPopSICKle

Raslin wrote:

I'd let you guys know how it plays and everything.

But, you know, you have to have a card that runs Shader model 3.0 to play it.

Guess the Radeon X850 is just way too weak to run this game.

Thats not true. You can play on non 3.0 cards. I sincerly doubt my 6800Gt is 3.0 and it runs on my PC.

Ok granted i had to edit the .ini's in several locations to get a decent frame rate but it does run. Its not nearly as pretty as the 360 version though. I own both and the 360 version is 10 times better, if not just for being frame lag free.

Pancake

MeatPopSICKle wrote:

Raslin wrote:

I'd let you guys know how it plays and everything.

But, you know, you have to have a card that runs Shader model 3.0 to play it.

Guess the Radeon X850 is just way too weak to run this game.

Thats not true. You can play on non 3.0 cards. I sincerly doubt my 6800Gt is 3.0 and it runs on my PC.

Ok granted i had to edit the .ini's in several locations to get a decent frame rate but it does run. Its not nearly as pretty as the 360 version though. I own both and the 360 version is 10 times better, if not just for being frame lag free.

The GeForce 6800 does SM 3.0. That was one of the selling points at the time. Every GeForce card in the series does it. ATi's cards from the same time didn't, however.

danph1

SkronkingDonkey wrote:

I just grabbed it today on my lunch, has anyone else here been playing it on pc yet? Any word on if the PC version is garbage like Lockdown or actually fun like Raven Shield?

Yeah, I'd like to check it out too. Good to hear some reviews first.

TenTonHammer

I'm thinking about getting it. I played it at a friends and really like the gameplay. Maybe no R6 material, but a nice cross between realism and arcade just the way I like it.

But, I need to know...how is the multiplayer? Are there a good amount of servers and people on them? Any big bugs that weren't fixed by the recent patch?

Sanders

Basticle wrote:

King Kong wrote:

RSE (Red Storm Entertainment) did the original R6 game, Rogue Spear and the Urban Ops expansion.

Ubisoft basically destroyed the R6 series once they got ahold of it. I tried playing Black Arrow and now Vegas.

This is not R6. Good game but not Rainbow 6.

thats not saying anything. RSE did Lockdown.

Yeah but RSE has since been bought by Ubisoft and had to follow their guidelines.
Wouldn't be surprised if the name is the only thing that didn't change inside that company.

Silent Zero

Ubisoft bought Red Storm and probably told them "Hey, great game but we want more people to buy it. Put it out for Xbox and make it more actiony and arcadey to apeal to the xbox audience and see what happens."

Rainbow Six 3 Xbox is a hit for all the xbox guys.
"Damn, lets make more"

Black Thorn
"Now lets make it even more crazier! Like TFC!"

Lockdown
"Oh shit we fucked up, lets try to make it a little more realistic"

Critical Hour
"Damn, we are still fucking up, but we did a little better, lets take a little more time and try to do something better."

Rainbow Six Vegas

Sanders

Silent Zero wrote:

Ubisoft bought Red Storm and probably told them "Hey, great game but we want more people to buy it. Put it out for Xbox and make it more actiony and arcadey and see what happens.

Rainbow Six 3 Xbox is a hit for all the xbox guys.
"Damn, lets make more"

Black Arrow
"Now lets make it even more crazier! Like TFC!"

Lockdown
"Oh shit we fucked up, lets try to milk some money out of this franchise by just using previous missions to cover our losses!"

Critical Hour
"Well hell, who'da thought that using old maps meant for a different style of gameplay wouldn't have worked very well, creating a game that can be beat in two hours? Hey, I hear this future gears of war game is shit hot."

Rainbow Six Vegas

fix'ed

VaLiantine

I don't think the Rainbow Six series will come back to its roots, they see a better fortune in console games in the same vein as Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six series currently.

As long as mod user support stays alive and kicking and ArmA comes out in February , my PC will be kicking it for a long time.

Silent Zero

VaLiantine wrote:

I don't think the Rainbow Six series will come back to its roots, they see a better fortune in console games in the same vein as Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six series currently.

As long as mod user support stays alive and kicking and ArmA comes out in February , my PC will be kicking it for a long time.

Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon will never be the same. As for Splinter Cell? We shall see.

Also, I can't wait for Armed Assault.

Chenzo

who gives a crap about the single player game (I hear it can be beaten in a day...)

How's the multiplayer? I mean, christ, it's got Streets in it.

I stopped playing the R6 stuff after Ubi stopped fixing RvS...

after seeing my buddy playing Vegas, I think I need to get it to try the MP. I require a good Team Survival game.