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Nethack: Was I just killed by mold?
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Simple game or simplest of games? It's like playing solitair with a samurai and the occasional were-somethingoranother, dont let it bite you.
http://www.nethack.org/
This game is also clearly psychic the moment you think you're doing pretty good, it kills you. I dont know who else has ever played it, I've played it every now and then for years... I've never beaten the game once... To be honest I dont know if you can beat the game... I've tried cheating and giving myself millions of hitpoints and fighting gods and still I lost.
Also I never know where I am going, perpetually lost.
I must beat this game... Some day... some day...
http://www.nethack.org/
This game is also clearly psychic the moment you think you're doing pretty good, it kills you. I dont know who else has ever played it, I've played it every now and then for years... I've never beaten the game once... To be honest I dont know if you can beat the game... I've tried cheating and giving myself millions of hitpoints and fighting gods and still I lost.
Also I never know where I am going, perpetually lost.
I must beat this game... Some day... some day...
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Regardless, I've heard Nethack has aged terribly in light of other roguelikes coming out. I was amused to see a post about someone dying by breaking their neck while trying to mount their horse though.
Hardly. Interface is pretty outdated, but otherwise it holds up very well.
The 'game' is studying spreadsheets and reading spoilers. Get over your old skool 1337ness and play a modern roguelike such as Dungeon Crawl.
This must be first time that someone complains that I'm too old skool.
Apparently if your INT hits zero, your brain shuts down and you die.
I cannot honestly think of a better game in terms of old-school Roguelikes. The real fun in this game is finding out the million and a half ways you can die horribly, or hilariously.
The only game with better (and more arbitrary.) deaths, would be ADOM, I think it's called. The first time I took a single step outside the town in that game, the sun flared, and a focused beam of light and heat arced down from the sun and obliterated me.
Now that's creative.
If you want to see creative, check out the billions of paths to death and madness that Dwarf Fortress contains. It has an Adventure mode in a randomly generated world with it's own history and legends. The real meat of the game is in the Fortress mode, where your pluck band of dwarves go off in search of the perfect place to die in subterranean, sweaty madness. Count yourself lucky if you manage to starve to death.
That said, I like me some Nethack every now and then. I dig all the literary quotes you get from looking around.
Out of the old school roguelikes, it seems to me that few hold up that well. Moria does, but Angband/ZAngband are big improvements. There's a tile version of Larn available for windows, and I still get a kick out of playing it despite that being one of the easier roguelikes out there (in fairness it gets harder each time you beat it.)
Once you understand that, it really just becomes an elaborate suicide simulator. Which, depending on how you play things, can be very entertaining.
PS: Adom is better
143595 points, level 12, dlevel 22.
It's simple, has graphics, and seems winnable.
Also, Nethack fried my Geforce 1 card.
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Suck it up and play with a tileset.
I recommend Vulture's Eye.
Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer
... actually, now I need to go play it again.
Doom RL is also good fun.
And that makes me feel like a failure to say it.
I said it a lot, but that's actually what I love the most about Nethack, the completely ridiculous attention to detail. Alas, as you said it comes with a rather lovely price of having to spend days memorising spoilers just to get how everything works. I mean, pets can commit shoplifting for you and the shopkeeper won't bat an eye PLUS guarantees you won'T get a cursed item? How am I supposed to know that?
It also affect the difficulty. Downplaying the "luck" part of roguelike is pretty much a double edged sword for Nethack: while it means there's almost always a way to get out of a dire situation unless you horribly fucked up, multiple runs get very pedestrian when you know how. But still, I wish they updated the interface or somesuch.
Because half the fun is finding out what you can do. There are several actions that I didn't even think of doing until well into my nethack career. Plus, if they listed every choice you had per square, there would just be constantly lists of actions to take for every step.
I never played other roguelikes because I took Nethack to be the definitive roguelike experience, but maybe it's time to find something a little less insane. I hear Angband is nice...
What? no seriously. the tiles they provide can be really random looking. Alot of stuff you can recognize as monsters, or treasure, but theres alot of random bullshit mess of pixels out there for this. is there a look command to tell you what the fuck you are in front of? Becuase I would let it slide if so.
I remember drinking a potion, transforming into a dragon, kicking some major monster-butt, and then the potion wearing off and having no weapons and armor, which got me killed pretty quick. Frustrating but oh so memorable.
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In Nethack, the colon, ":" and the semicolon, ";" are Look and Far Look respectively. Look tells you about the square you are standing on. Far Look gives you a cursor you can move around to check distant squares. Be aware, Far Look only shows you what you think you see. If you don't have line of sight to the square, the information isn't going to be as accurate.
The ";" key let's you look around with a cursor, pick a tile, and get a description of what's on it.
Edit: Found it. Nevermind!
Double Edit: Ok, that didn't work. HELP.
Also I started the game as a wizard the other day, and this is bullshit im usually Samurai or Knight, but everytime I started as a Wizard he found some Legendary weapon right off the bat, like Mjolnir, or this sword that turns people to ice. And my guy came with a cloak of magic protection, so what did I do? I went into this shop with tons of scrolls and spellbooks, learned all the spellbooks, knocked my sword to +5 with enchants, put on my +1 damage ring, enchanted my cloak for +2, used all the scrolls of make creature and leveled twice IN the shop.
Teleported out, to which point the Kops were after me, and all got slain, 2 more levels, then the shopkeeper and his freaking wand of magic missile and striker start pummeling my behind, EXCEPT my cloak absorbes and reflects the attacks, the shopkeeper killed himself with his own attacks because they literally bounced off me and hit him...
Wizards must have a HUGE handicap or something to get such super stuff right from the beginning.
Im still playing this same save...
Nethack is also very good. NHs pitfalls are much larger though, for me. Food is a big problem. Spoilers aren't even an option. Pets are stupid and annoying. ID'ing is tricky. However smart playing counts for a lot in NetHack and short of 1 or 2 spots a full ascension kit toon is almost unstoppable. Unlike Stone Soup, there will come a point where you have to make serious missteps in NH in order to blow it. In SS you will never be more than 3 or 4 unlucky turns from death.
I havent gotten into Angband much yet, but the randomized levels seem nice.
Plate Mail
+2 Iron Skull Cap
Gauntlets of Power
Boots of Speed
started with:
Ring of Slow Digestion
Magic Marker 0:70
So I'm sitting at -3AC already. A start this good can only end badly.
I got a lucky start by starting off with 2 weapon and 1 armor enchants, found a Frostbrand and my starting cloak was a Cloak of Magic Resistance.
My current useful Inventory includes.
+6 Frost Brand (Deals massive damage and freezes opponents)
+4 Cloak of Magic Resistance
+2 Shield Red Eyed Shield
5 Rations
An uncursed +1 ring of additional damage (worn)
An uncursed ring of slow digestion(worn)
+15 other rings I nabbed from a shop.
Spells:
Force Bolt
Charm Monster
Dig
Slow Monster
Magic Mapping
Levitation
Sleep
Cure Blindness
Level 10 wizard, dungeon level 15.
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Ohgod I laughed so ahrd...
You feel very attracted to the succubus. The succubus mumrurs in your ear while helping you undress. "Take off your cloak; it's in the way"
Time stands still while you and the succubus lie in eachothers arms... You seem to have enjoyed it more than the succubus...
That was a very educational expirience. You feel more expirienced. Welcome to Expirience level 11. The succubus demands you pay, but you refuse.
Gahahaha