Guys I just found out I have been using the B layout. Antihippy I blame you for this, and all my blazblue difficulties.
How is that causing you trouble? Do you only have like 1 finger?
Look you, the last thing I needed was some freak alternate layout. The important thing is that it is not being new to fighers or not playing very much or picking difficult characters, but is in fact all Anti's fault.
Edit:
Wait does the A layout have some kind of advantage over B for 1-fingered players?
Guys I just found out I have been using the B layout. Antihippy I blame you for this, and all my blazblue difficulties.
How is that causing you trouble? Do you only have like 1 finger?
Look you, the last thing I needed was some freak alternate layout. The important thing is that it is not being new to fighers or not playing very much or picking difficult characters, but is in fact all Anti's fault.
Edit:
Wait does the A layout have some kind of advantage over B for 1-fingered players?
I don't think either of them have an advantage over the other for anything... But I do agree, it is Anti's fault.
As a Tager player, I enjoy the cocky bastards who counter-pick as v-13 in ranked.
I then proceed to either utterly humiliate them or be utterly humiliated myself.
A high-level Carl player, on the other hand, is a rather difficult match-up because he can play hit-and run with ease, shifting into a loop if I turn up the heat.
I love surprising the other player with a magnetic shot--especially when he's across the screen and not blocking.
In short, the sweetest four words in the English language are "THE POWER OF MAGNETISM."
That is the sound of victory, my friends.
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As a Tager player, I enjoy the cocky bastards who counter-pick as v-13 in ranked.
I then proceed to either utterly humiliate them or be utterly humiliated myself.
A high-level Carl player, on the other hand, is a rather difficult match-up because he can play hit-and run with ease, shifting into a loop if I turn up the heat.
I love surprising the other player with a magnetic shot--especially when he's across the screen and not blocking.
In short, the sweetest four words in the English language are "THE POWER OF MAGNETISM."
That is the sound of victory, my friends.
One of the more painful lessons I learned going up against Tager is to always watch his magnetism bar. That and don't stand close to him while he's waking up(especially when they have 50 or more heat and you're magnetized).
Carl can go into clap loop from... 2A? Or 5A? I do know he could go to it from 3C.
And his big size just makes clapping him and getting him into clap alot easier.
You don't need someone to block grapples when you can hardly get it in. Carl is too small and mobile.
It's funny to see him genesic emerald buster through carl's gear super though.
Everything hippy says is 100% true. Clap loop isn't easy, you have to get height right or else they can tech out and you can't reloop. Tager though is so big which makes the height easier, and also for him the right height is easiest to time the clap. His big size makes just so easy to loop. Not only that but him between you and puppet is really easy to set up as he has no dash. This makes it so Nirvana can punch the hell out of him and all he can do is block(bad), jump(bad), or sledge and get counterhit'd(bad). You can counter hit 5c all day into loop.
Course you have to be careful. Bad spacing or timing on a 5B means a grab into huge damage. Though since anyone can get huge damage on carl this really isn't big news. Theres more on why this matchup is so damn awful but I won't bore you. Is it his worst matchup? Theres plenty to suggest yes. Top3 can zone the hell out of tager, but none can just 100% which carl can do fairly easily. Well doing it online is actually kinda hard, but you get the idea.
edit: ergander just reminded me, puppet blocks spark volt.
edit @ stig: yeah it's pretty much always hippy's fault.
Guys I just found out I have been using the B layout. Antihippy I blame you for this, and all my blazblue difficulties.
How is that causing you trouble? Do you only have like 1 finger?
Look you, the last thing I needed was some freak alternate layout. The important thing is that it is not being new to fighers or not playing very much or picking difficult characters, but is in fact all Anti's fault.
Edit:
Wait does the A layout have some kind of advantage over B for 1-fingered players?
I don't think either of them have an advantage over the other for anything... But I do agree, it is Anti's fault.
Everything hippy says is 100% true. Clap loop isn't easy, you have to get height right or else they can tech out and you can't reloop. Tager though is so big which makes the height easier, and also for him the right height is easiest to time the clap. His big size makes just so easy to loop. Not only that but him between you and puppet is really easy to set up as he has no dash. This makes it so Nirvana can punch the hell out of him and all he can do is block(bad), jump(bad), or sledge and get counterhit'd(bad). You can counter hit 5c all day into loop.
Course you have to be careful. Bad spacing or timing on a 5B means a grab into huge damage. Though since anyone can get huge damage on carl this really isn't big news. Theres more on why this matchup is so damn awful but I won't bore you. Is it his worst matchup? Theres plenty to suggest yes. Top3 can zone the hell out of tager, but none can just 100% which carl can do fairly easily. Well doing it online is actually kinda hard, but you get the idea.
edit: ergander just reminded me, puppet blocks spark volt.
edit @ stig: yeah it's pretty much always hippy's fault.
Yeah, as a Tager player (although I'm only a mediocre one) I find that Carl is definitely the most obnoxious match up for me.
I also occasionally experience difficulty with Litchi, but that's more of an issue of her rarity.
Rachel is one of the easiest fights because magnetism counteracts her wind, and v-13's are typically victories for me because the opponent underestimates Tager against v-13.
If the v-13 succeeds in dashing beyond the range of my quarter-circle B attack, then I'm more or less screwed provided that the v-13 player doesn't lose his cool.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited September 2009
As a person who can't space Tager out forever(well, Jin has options but you get to predictable and Sledges will start coming for you...and they cover a surprising amount of space), I will say how annoying the fight is. Nothing like completely locking someone down only to have them start spamming out MAGNETISM! and double circle C's.
Though it has gotten me in the habit of being super cautious whenever Tager has low health because I know an Emerald Tager is near.
As a person who can't space Tager out forever(well, Jin has options but you get to predictable and Sledges will start coming for you...and they cover a surprising amount of space), I will say how annoying the fight is. Nothing like completely locking someone down only to have them start spamming out MAGNETISM! and double circle C's.
Though it has gotten me in the habit of being super cautious whenever Tager has low health because I know an Emerald Tager is near.
Heh
I can't do the double circle C move because I use the SFIV fight pad.
If anyone has a tip on how to effectively use that move on a d-pad I'm all ears.
As a person who can't space Tager out forever(well, Jin has options but you get to predictable and Sledges will start coming for you...and they cover a surprising amount of space), I will say how annoying the fight is. Nothing like completely locking someone down only to have them start spamming out MAGNETISM! and double circle C's.
Though it has gotten me in the habit of being super cautious whenever Tager has low health because I know an Emerald Tager is near.
Lol, Jin has no problems with anyone. He dominates the entire cast, including Nu.
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edited September 2009
Is it just me, or does Ragna match up really well against Carl? I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong but i seem to be completely incapable of getting a half decent Ragna player under 50% health. Under normal circumstances i would just write it off as me playing terribly(because i do) but whereas i simply lose to every other character, Ragna just absolutely destroys me.
I hate playing jin so much. It's lot he's got an answer for everything and it usually involves a move with a billion frames of invincibility.
I recently learned dashing a little causes Jin players to involuntarily ice car to their demise.
Only if they're huffing paint. Though I wouldn't put it past most of the jin players. Usualy I find they love to wait till your throwing down some preasure and use the shoryuken of his with full body invincibilty.
Is it just me, or does Ragna match up really well against Carl? I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong but i seem to be completely incapable of getting a half decent Ragna player under 50% health. Under normal circumstances i would just write it off as me playing terribly(because i do) but whereas i simply lose to every other character, Ragna just absolutely destroys me.
Bad news is he's too fast and has enough range to mostly stop Carl's pathetic attempts at zoning.
Good news is any sort of loop damages the hell out of him!
So...Basically like ALL his matchups pray you get a loop off, and than when you do make sure you dont' mess it up or else you are screwed.
Is it just me, or does Ragna match up really well against Carl? I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong but i seem to be completely incapable of getting a half decent Ragna player under 50% health. Under normal circumstances i would just write it off as me playing terribly(because i do) but whereas i simply lose to every other character, Ragna just absolutely destroys me.
Bad news is he's too fast and has enough range to mostly stop Carl's pathetic attempts at zoning.
Good news is any sort of loop damages the hell out of him!
So...Basically like ALL his matchups pray you get a loop off, and than when you do make sure you dont' mess it up or else you are screwed.
So basically my only options are prayer and/or voodoo magic? Lovely.
I hate playing jin so much. It's lot he's got an answer for everything and it usually involves a move with a billion frames of invincibility.
I recently learned dashing a little causes Jin players to involuntarily ice car to their demise.
The only moves that give Jin invincibility are his dragon punches. As for the Ice carz, I've found a lot of Jins tend to play like little bitches and get scared at the slightest approach so they fuck up when even the slightest amount of pressure is put on them.
You'll find it tends to fade at higher levels. Though it is funny, I've found the number of Jins online steadily decreasing as time goes. Guess it's because a lot of people are getting used to playing him. Been seeing a lot more Ragnas though.
As a person who can't space Tager out forever(well, Jin has options but you get to predictable and Sledges will start coming for you...and they cover a surprising amount of space), I will say how annoying the fight is. Nothing like completely locking someone down only to have them start spamming out MAGNETISM! and double circle C's.
Though it has gotten me in the habit of being super cautious whenever Tager has low health because I know an Emerald Tager is near.
Lol, Jin has no problems with anyone. He dominates the entire cast, including Nu.
Yes, because a match is over the second you pick your character.
It's kinda like how all the kens in SF4 migrated over to ryu...
Please pardon my ignorance, but i'm genuinely curious as to what you are talking about.
He's comparing Jin to Ken as in the first few weeks of SF4 releases you would be hard pressed to not fight against a Ken same way you would be hard pressed not to fight a Jin. Then people stop falling for(and started punishing) wakeup Shoryukens and now most people have gone to Ryu(light shoryuken -> Ultra goodness). Though, the roster is still a bit more robust than it was when it was Ken Fighter 4.
And just replace Shoryuken with Ice Car and you have the same case. Ice car spam was prevalent the first two weeks of Blazblue(so was Noel D spam), but it started to peeter off when people got used to it.
Is it just me, or does Ragna match up really well against Carl? I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong but i seem to be completely incapable of getting a half decent Ragna player under 50% health. Under normal circumstances i would just write it off as me playing terribly(because i do) but whereas i simply lose to every other character, Ragna just absolutely destroys me.
Bad news is he's too fast and has enough range to mostly stop Carl's pathetic attempts at zoning.
Good news is any sort of loop damages the hell out of him!
So...Basically like ALL his matchups pray you get a loop off, and than when you do make sure you dont' mess it up or else you are screwed.
So basically my only options are prayer and/or voodoo magic? Lovely.
623D, send that out to at least make him scared of reckless jump-ins. If he runs in and doesn't get hit by the 623D, the puppet will still be bodyblocking him so you can 5C him. However if he jumps in, and passes your anti air and your stuck doing a 5C. Well theres about half of your health gone with a knockdown, no good. 6A is a anti-air that might actually work, but it has horrible range and invincibility so you have to be spot on with it. If it hits than that might mean a loop!
Mostly just gotta get used to being patient and get good at playing extremely defensive or extremely aggressive. Be sure to block and barrier block his D attacks or your guard libra will die fast. You can roll out of the way (risky but higher reward) or jump into summon into do stuff from there. Be careful on your loops, especially online as if there is a gap, you can get infernal divider'd which sucks!
Watch out for his anti-airs, 6A, 5D, shoryuken, and even his hells fang will beat most of your jumps, so watch out and send in a drill puppet if necessary.
Good news is alot of ragnas will get cocky with they're 5b and you can gear special them for max damage, as you didn't combo.
Seriously though less complaining about characters and more helping people! Hope this helps Blue map!
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Blue mapHello darkness, my old friend.Registered Userregular
Is it just me, or does Ragna match up really well against Carl? I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong but i seem to be completely incapable of getting a half decent Ragna player under 50% health. Under normal circumstances i would just write it off as me playing terribly(because i do) but whereas i simply lose to every other character, Ragna just absolutely destroys me.
Bad news is he's too fast and has enough range to mostly stop Carl's pathetic attempts at zoning.
Good news is any sort of loop damages the hell out of him!
So...Basically like ALL his matchups pray you get a loop off, and than when you do make sure you dont' mess it up or else you are screwed.
So basically my only options are prayer and/or voodoo magic? Lovely.
623D, send that out to at least make him scared of reckless jump-ins. If he runs in and doesn't get hit by the 623D, the puppet will still be bodyblocking him so you can 5C him. However if he jumps in, and passes your anti air and your stuck doing a 5C. Well theres about half of your health gone with a knockdown, no good. 6A is a anti-air that might actually work, but it has horrible range and invincibility so you have to be spot on with it. If it hits than that might mean a loop!
Mostly just gotta get used to being patient and get good at playing extremely defensive or extremely aggressive. Be sure to block and barrier block his D attacks or your guard libra will die fast. You can roll out of the way (risky but higher reward) or jump into summon into do stuff from there. Be careful on your loops, especially online as if there is a gap, you can get infernal divider'd which sucks!
Watch out for his anti-airs, 6A, 5D, shoryuken, and even his hells fang will beat most of your jumps, so watch out and send in a drill puppet if necessary.
Good news is alot of ragnas will get cocky with they're 5b and you can gear special them for max damage, as you didn't combo.
Seriously though less complaining about characters and more helping people! Hope this helps Blue map!
Never even thought of punishing a puppet blocked hells fang with 5c so that right there is plenty helpful. Also i didn't mean to say that Ragna was "OP" or something stupid like that, just that i was completely incompetent at fighting him.
It's kinda like how all the kens in SF4 migrated over to ryu...
Please pardon my ignorance, but i'm genuinely curious as to what you are talking about.
He's comparing Jin to Ken as in the first few weeks of SF4 releases you would be hard pressed to not fight against a Ken same way you would be hard pressed not to fight a Jin. Then people stop falling for(and started punishing) wakeup Shoryukens and now most people have gone to Ryu(light shoryuken -> Ultra goodness). Though, the roster is still a bit more robust than it was when it was Ken Fighter 4.
And just replace Shoryuken with Ice Car and you have the same case. Ice car spam was prevalent the first two weeks of Blazblue(so was Noel D spam), but it started to peeter off when people got used to it.
The difference being that Jin is actually good and Ken is not, and Ryu is actually good whereas Ragna is merely average.
I think the better analogy would be all the Noels (Kens) moving to Ragna (Ryu), Jin (Sagat), and Nu (Akuma). Then you're considered lucky if you ever see a Bang (Fei Long) or Carl (Gen) even once in your entire Blazblue career.
Yeah, now that I think about it, I've actually played more Carls than Bangs. I guess it doesn't take much to realize how much Bang sucks, whereas at least Carl has claploop.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited September 2009
...You know I mean while some characters are better than others, Tiers aren't everything. Just saying.
Never even thought of punishing a puppet blocked hells fang with 5c so that right there is plenty helpful. Also i didn't mean to say that Ragna was "OP" or something stupid like that, just that i was completely incompetent at fighting him.
Edit: Also Stig thanks for clearing that up.
Oh no I meant to say everyone else was complaining not you. Seriously I hate fighting ragna too, I hated him passionately even before nu was released in arcades. Current day and Ragna has been found to be mediocre... Still hate his guts.
Tian, how many of those carl's were seriously good? I've fought more carls than arakunes, nu's, taos, bangs, and even ragnas. All of them had no idea what they were doing and couldn't even do a simple drive loop. Heck most tried fighting without a puppet!
edit: about tiers, this isn't freakin Guilty Gear. You want rough? Try playing against eddie or testament as ANY character. Or try beating any character as bridget. This game is alot better off than others, and will surely get better with iterations to come!
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edited September 2009
I can only say I've fought 3-4 good Carls myself. Most of them would just sit back while I broke their doll, never figuring out I was doing that so I could rush the shit out of them.
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Yeah...really, Jin has much better options for heat than his supers. Throw -> Ice Arrow is decent if you have the opportunity though.
Ice Fang is only really useful when you catch someone right at the start of an airdash.
I tend not to use them so much though because I'm using a fightpad and the motion is very inconsistent for me on a controller.
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Big Red Tiebeautiful clydesdale style feettoo hot to trotRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
if i am in a situation where i know they're aggressive and i can arrow through an attack, i'll do it
or if they're on the other side of the screen but in the air and in the arrow's path because if it lands it's like dang
if i am in a situation where i know they're aggressive and i can arrow through an attack, i'll do it
or if they're on the other side of the screen but in the air and in the arrow's path because if it lands it's like dang
I tend to play a more aggressive Jin myself, so I usually end up using his heat for corner traps/pressure. The Ice Daggers are great for keeping people who aren't Arakune locked in the corner. Then if they try to attack you can always use the invincibility frames on the D dragon punch, which then sets you up for a free dash -> 6C -> air juggle when close to the corner.
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edited September 2009
i've yet to use 236D, it feels like a waste when ky had a free one
j.236D, though, is beautiful and i love it for pressuring in the corner
i've yet to use 236D, it feels like a waste when ky had a free one
j.236D, though, is beautiful and i love it for pressuring in the corner
That's the one I'm talking about. Why I wrote Daggers instead of Dagger. The ground version is all but useless(only real use is freezing someone again out of a throw), too slow and can be seen from a mile away.
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edited September 2009
i know it was the one you were talking about. stop trying to oppress me!
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Do you hate me Reimu?
How is that causing you trouble? Do you only have like 1 finger?
Look you, the last thing I needed was some freak alternate layout. The important thing is that it is not being new to fighers or not playing very much or picking difficult characters, but is in fact all Anti's fault.
Edit:
Wait does the A layout have some kind of advantage over B for 1-fingered players?
I don't think either of them have an advantage over the other for anything... But I do agree, it is Anti's fault.
I then proceed to either utterly humiliate them or be utterly humiliated myself.
A high-level Carl player, on the other hand, is a rather difficult match-up because he can play hit-and run with ease, shifting into a loop if I turn up the heat.
I love surprising the other player with a magnetic shot--especially when he's across the screen and not blocking.
In short, the sweetest four words in the English language are "THE POWER OF MAGNETISM."
That is the sound of victory, my friends.
One of the more painful lessons I learned going up against Tager is to always watch his magnetism bar. That and don't stand close to him while he's waking up(especially when they have 50 or more heat and you're magnetized).
Everything hippy says is 100% true. Clap loop isn't easy, you have to get height right or else they can tech out and you can't reloop. Tager though is so big which makes the height easier, and also for him the right height is easiest to time the clap. His big size makes just so easy to loop. Not only that but him between you and puppet is really easy to set up as he has no dash. This makes it so Nirvana can punch the hell out of him and all he can do is block(bad), jump(bad), or sledge and get counterhit'd(bad). You can counter hit 5c all day into loop.
Course you have to be careful. Bad spacing or timing on a 5B means a grab into huge damage. Though since anyone can get huge damage on carl this really isn't big news. Theres more on why this matchup is so damn awful but I won't bore you. Is it his worst matchup? Theres plenty to suggest yes. Top3 can zone the hell out of tager, but none can just 100% which carl can do fairly easily. Well doing it online is actually kinda hard, but you get the idea.
edit: ergander just reminded me, puppet blocks spark volt.
edit @ stig: yeah it's pretty much always hippy's fault.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
B layout is the only way to play.
Yeah, as a Tager player (although I'm only a mediocre one) I find that Carl is definitely the most obnoxious match up for me.
I also occasionally experience difficulty with Litchi, but that's more of an issue of her rarity.
Rachel is one of the easiest fights because magnetism counteracts her wind, and v-13's are typically victories for me because the opponent underestimates Tager against v-13.
If the v-13 succeeds in dashing beyond the range of my quarter-circle B attack, then I'm more or less screwed provided that the v-13 player doesn't lose his cool.
Though it has gotten me in the habit of being super cautious whenever Tager has low health because I know an Emerald Tager is near.
Heh
I can't do the double circle C move because I use the SFIV fight pad.
If anyone has a tip on how to effectively use that move on a d-pad I'm all ears.
Lol, Jin has no problems with anyone. He dominates the entire cast, including Nu.
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I recently learned dashing a little causes Jin players to involuntarily ice car to their demise.
Only if they're huffing paint. Though I wouldn't put it past most of the jin players. Usualy I find they love to wait till your throwing down some preasure and use the shoryuken of his with full body invincibilty.
Bad news is he's too fast and has enough range to mostly stop Carl's pathetic attempts at zoning.
Good news is any sort of loop damages the hell out of him!
So...Basically like ALL his matchups pray you get a loop off, and than when you do make sure you dont' mess it up or else you are screwed.
Funny thing as tao against ice carring jins.
You can crawl under ice car.
Yeah I love doing that to the 4bc 236cc drive loop combo. When my litchi is being uncooperative sometimes I revert back to using tao.
The only moves that give Jin invincibility are his dragon punches. As for the Ice carz, I've found a lot of Jins tend to play like little bitches and get scared at the slightest approach so they fuck up when even the slightest amount of pressure is put on them.
You'll find it tends to fade at higher levels. Though it is funny, I've found the number of Jins online steadily decreasing as time goes. Guess it's because a lot of people are getting used to playing him. Been seeing a lot more Ragnas though.
Yes, because a match is over the second you pick your character.
He's comparing Jin to Ken as in the first few weeks of SF4 releases you would be hard pressed to not fight against a Ken same way you would be hard pressed not to fight a Jin. Then people stop falling for(and started punishing) wakeup Shoryukens and now most people have gone to Ryu(light shoryuken -> Ultra goodness). Though, the roster is still a bit more robust than it was when it was Ken Fighter 4.
And just replace Shoryuken with Ice Car and you have the same case. Ice car spam was prevalent the first two weeks of Blazblue(so was Noel D spam), but it started to peeter off when people got used to it.
623D, send that out to at least make him scared of reckless jump-ins. If he runs in and doesn't get hit by the 623D, the puppet will still be bodyblocking him so you can 5C him. However if he jumps in, and passes your anti air and your stuck doing a 5C. Well theres about half of your health gone with a knockdown, no good. 6A is a anti-air that might actually work, but it has horrible range and invincibility so you have to be spot on with it. If it hits than that might mean a loop!
Mostly just gotta get used to being patient and get good at playing extremely defensive or extremely aggressive. Be sure to block and barrier block his D attacks or your guard libra will die fast. You can roll out of the way (risky but higher reward) or jump into summon into do stuff from there. Be careful on your loops, especially online as if there is a gap, you can get infernal divider'd which sucks!
Watch out for his anti-airs, 6A, 5D, shoryuken, and even his hells fang will beat most of your jumps, so watch out and send in a drill puppet if necessary.
Good news is alot of ragnas will get cocky with they're 5b and you can gear special them for max damage, as you didn't combo.
Seriously though less complaining about characters and more helping people! Hope this helps Blue map!
Never even thought of punishing a puppet blocked hells fang with 5c so that right there is plenty helpful. Also i didn't mean to say that Ragna was "OP" or something stupid like that, just that i was completely incompetent at fighting him.
Edit: Also Stig thanks for clearing that up.
The difference being that Jin is actually good and Ken is not, and Ryu is actually good whereas Ragna is merely average.
I think the better analogy would be all the Noels (Kens) moving to Ragna (Ryu), Jin (Sagat), and Nu (Akuma). Then you're considered lucky if you ever see a Bang (Fei Long) or Carl (Gen) even once in your entire Blazblue career.
Yeah, now that I think about it, I've actually played more Carls than Bangs. I guess it doesn't take much to realize how much Bang sucks, whereas at least Carl has claploop.
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Tian, how many of those carl's were seriously good? I've fought more carls than arakunes, nu's, taos, bangs, and even ragnas. All of them had no idea what they were doing and couldn't even do a simple drive loop. Heck most tried fighting without a puppet!
edit: about tiers, this isn't freakin Guilty Gear. You want rough? Try playing against eddie or testament as ANY character. Or try beating any character as bridget. This game is alot better off than others, and will surely get better with iterations to come!
arrow super does i believe
Yeah...really, Jin has much better options for heat than his supers. Throw -> Ice Arrow is decent if you have the opportunity though.
Ice Fang is only really useful when you catch someone right at the start of an airdash.
I tend not to use them so much though because I'm using a fightpad and the motion is very inconsistent for me on a controller.
or if they're on the other side of the screen but in the air and in the arrow's path because if it lands it's like dang
I tend to play a more aggressive Jin myself, so I usually end up using his heat for corner traps/pressure. The Ice Daggers are great for keeping people who aren't Arakune locked in the corner. Then if they try to attack you can always use the invincibility frames on the D dragon punch, which then sets you up for a free dash -> 6C -> air juggle when close to the corner.
j.236D, though, is beautiful and i love it for pressuring in the corner
That's the one I'm talking about. Why I wrote Daggers instead of Dagger. The ground version is all but useless(only real use is freezing someone again out of a throw), too slow and can be seen from a mile away.