edit: I need to do some research on truesec effecting drone rat drops. I've heard rumblings of it not effecting the value as much as with normal rats.
Or maybe I'll just ask Toast what he knows about it. Toast?
I've heard "rumblings" too, but personally I think it's a crock of shite :P Truesec almost certainly doesn't affect the drops themselves, as they're done off loot tables, but I've seen nothing to indicate that it doesn't affect spawn types and frequencies, which will almost certainly dictate what drops you get. The main problem is that most of the new regions seem to be crazy-low sec status (as in, all under -0.7), so the variations won't show up as much.
edit: I need to do some research on truesec effecting drone rat drops. I've heard rumblings of it not effecting the value as much as with normal rats.
Or maybe I'll just ask Toast what he knows about it. Toast?
I've heard "rumblings" too, but personally I think it's a crock of shite :P Truesec almost certainly doesn't affect the drops themselves, as they're done off loot tables, but I've seen nothing to indicate that it doesn't affect spawn types and frequencies, which will almost certainly dictate what drops you get. The main problem is that most of the new regions seem to be crazy-low sec status (as in, all under -0.7), so the variations won't show up as much.
Well, I think the problem is, I haven't seen any concrete data on the differences between BS drops. A drone BS is a drone BS, they all seem to drop the same shit. I'm chaining BS spawns, but I don't know how else to maximize profit.
Truesec isn't that low except in your damn region. Most systems are a decent truesec, but the amount of belts is relatively low. Since you have to do hauls and stuff, it's a bigger pain in the ass to find a system with a good balance between belts, truesec, and proximity to a refinery. If truesec doesn't matter as much, it makes it that much easier.
I really cant find any difference between any of the drone BS drops when I was looting them. They all seemed to drop exactly 200 cubes of stuff in about the same quality.
So I've been wondering this for a few days, and after getting my myrm popped yesterday by an LV camp I can't help but wonder: Could an Enyo or Ishkur rat reasonably well out in Scalding Pass?
I'm thinking the small sig might save it from the torp volleys that were such a pain to deal with in the myrm, and with T2 blasters/drones my dmg should be enough to break their tanks.
...Or should I just fly the space whale up and nos the world to a slow, boring death?
AFs are pretty good for ratting provided you can do the right damage types. Lasers vs Guristas is pretty much pointless, whereas lasers vs drones is killy-killy death-death. If you can tank properly and field the right kind of damage they're very effective ratting ships - they'll chew through frigs and cruisers without trying, and transversal means BS rarely actually hit them. Ishkur would probably be ideal as it can pick damage types.
I've got a Nos Ishkur setup that was able to take on nice sized sansha spawns (Triple .95 Mill took awhile but was doable) and I can't make a dent in similar Angel ships. The good news is they can't hurt me either, I can tank them forever if I wanted to. I'm still using hammerheads and Hobgoblins though, so maybe a different drone and putting on a couple of turrets would let me break their tanks, but it still tanks long enough I'm gonna just stick to ratting with a partner.
Me and Tileal where doing that last night he would get agro with his AF and I would warp in after and rain cruise missles down on the Battleships (swapped them for Torpedos so it should go faster now) I will likely just rat with a partner , not sure how well my scorpions tank will hold vs torpedos'
Why are you ratting in a scorpion? I know it can be done, it's just not well suited for it to be honest. Raven's are ratting machines and it ought to pay for itself in a couple days of solid ratting (more or less depending on your available playtime and tolerance for the tedium of ratting).
Scorps are cheaper than ravens. I'll pick one up when I can afford it until then the scorp is all I got. (will pickup another drake first)
Scorps are cheaper than ravens by like 20 or 30 mil.
So I guess you could buy a scorp, rat for 2 hours, then sell it and buy a raven.
Which is what I will likely do, either that or use the scorp til I have enough for a raven straight up. then i'll have one of each. But like I said earlier .. will buy another drake first.
edit: I need to do some research on truesec effecting drone rat drops. I've heard rumblings of it not effecting the value as much as with normal rats.
Or maybe I'll just ask Toast what he knows about it. Toast?
I've heard "rumblings" too, but personally I think it's a crock of shite :P Truesec almost certainly doesn't affect the drops themselves, as they're done off loot tables, but I've seen nothing to indicate that it doesn't affect spawn types and frequencies, which will almost certainly dictate what drops you get. The main problem is that most of the new regions seem to be crazy-low sec status (as in, all under -0.7), so the variations won't show up as much.
Well, I think the problem is, I haven't seen any concrete data on the differences between BS drops. A drone BS is a drone BS, they all seem to drop the same shit. I'm chaining BS spawns, but I don't know how else to maximize profit.
Truesec isn't that low except in your damn region. Most systems are a decent truesec, but the amount of belts is relatively low. Since you have to do hauls and stuff, it's a bigger pain in the ass to find a system with a good balance between belts, truesec, and proximity to a refinery. If truesec doesn't matter as much, it makes it that much easier.
Maybe I just need a carrier or something.
Oh, k, fair enough. Haven't been ratting out there properly yet. As to truesec, fair enough, only checked our region so far :P
Scorps are cheaper than ravens by like 20 or 30 mil.
So I guess you could buy a scorp, rat for 2 hours, then sell it and buy a raven.
Which is what I will likely do, either that or use the scorp til I have enough for a raven straight up. then i'll have one of each. But like I said earlier .. will buy another drake first.
Don't
Scorps are worthless in PvE, fly the drake until you can afford a raven, then use that. Also don't get a ship with the intention of selling it shortly thereafter, because this means you're either eating the cost of insurance or undocking in something that isn't insured, both of which are dumb in astronomical terms
So I've been wondering this for a few days, and after getting my myrm popped yesterday by an LV camp I can't help but wonder: Could an Enyo or Ishkur rat reasonably well out in Scalding Pass?
I'm thinking the small sig might save it from the torp volleys that were such a pain to deal with in the myrm, and with T2 blasters/drones my dmg should be enough to break their tanks.
...Or should I just fly the space whale up and nos the world to a slow, boring death?
AFs are pretty good for ratting provided you can do the right damage types. Lasers vs Guristas is pretty much pointless, whereas lasers vs drones is killy-killy death-death. If you can tank properly and field the right kind of damage they're very effective ratting ships - they'll chew through frigs and cruisers without trying, and transversal means BS rarely actually hit them. Ishkur would probably be ideal as it can pick damage types.
I've got a Nos Ishkur setup that was able to take on nice sized sansha spawns (Triple .95 Mill took awhile but was doable) and I can't make a dent in similar Angel ships. The good news is they can't hurt me either, I can tank them forever if I wanted to. I'm still using hammerheads and Hobgoblins though, so maybe a different drone and putting on a couple of turrets would let me break their tanks, but it still tanks long enough I'm gonna just stick to ratting with a partner.
:shock: i rape the shit out of angels in my ishkur...you've just got to think outside the box. it's been a while since i've used my gw ishkur to rat, but this should destroy angels.
HIGHS
3 x small neutron blaster t2s
1 x small dim. nos
MEDS
1 x gistii small ab
1 x gistii small a-type sb
1 x fleeting webber (guess you could sub in a cap recharger if needed?)
LOWS
2 x mag. stab. t2s
1 x pds t2 (fit another mag stab if you can...i can't :oops: )
DRONES
your choice of explosive drones...light + meds t2 ofc, or just light t2s if you want spares.
ab to the bs/largest npc rat, orbit at 500m, fire nos and gistii sb, launch the drones and laugh. aside from officer spawns (which i've never had ) i've killed them all. you don't need a partner.
Scorps are cheaper than ravens by like 20 or 30 mil.
So I guess you could buy a scorp, rat for 2 hours, then sell it and buy a raven.
Which is what I will likely do, either that or use the scorp til I have enough for a raven straight up. then i'll have one of each. But like I said earlier .. will buy another drake first.
Don't
Scorps are worthless in PvE, fly the drake until you can afford a raven, then use that. Also don't get a ship with the intention of selling it shortly thereafter, because this means you're either eating the cost of insurance or undocking in something that isn't insured, both of which are dumb in astronomical terms
well i've already have a scorpion up in SP already so no harm no foul there. It will do for now til I get our guys to build me another drake.
:shock: i rape the shit out of angels in my ishkur...you've just got to think outside the box. it's been a while since i've used my gw ishkur to rat, but this should destroy angels.
HIGHS
3 x small neutron blaster t2s
1 x small dim. nos
MEDS
1 x gistii small ab
1 x gistii small a-type sb
1 x fleeting webber (guess you could sub in a cap recharger if needed?)
LOWS
2 x mag. stab. t2s
1 x pds t2 (fit another mag stab if you can...i can't :oops: )
DRONES
your choice of explosive drones...light + meds t2 ofc, or just light t2s if you want spares.
ab to the bs/largest npc rat, orbit at 500m, fire nos and gistii sb, launch the drones and laugh. aside from officer spawns (which i've never had ) i've killed them all. you don't need a partner.
Interesting setup just a couple questions. 1. How does the shield tank work on it? I doubt I can afford a gistii sb (There aren't any in the region for sale so I'm not sure about its exact price) will it still be doable with something cheaper? My sheild tank skills are pretty low to since I've focused on armor tank. 2. Does this manage the initial approach allright? Thats when I tend to take the most damage but my shields buffer it just fine that I don't have to work my rep to hard before I'm in nos range.
The trick with the initial approach is just to come in at a reasonable angle - if you have an AB (which you should) and you're in an AF, that should be enough for most BS to miss consistently. If you're taking a lot of turret-fire damage, widen the angle. I generally approach targets by selecting a 4k orbit and that generally gives enough transversal to keep me safe.
:shock: i rape the shit out of angels in my ishkur...you've just got to think outside the box. it's been a while since i've used my gw ishkur to rat, but this should destroy angels.
HIGHS
3 x small neutron blaster t2s
1 x small dim. nos
MEDS
1 x gistii small ab
1 x gistii small a-type sb
1 x fleeting webber (guess you could sub in a cap recharger if needed?)
LOWS
2 x mag. stab. t2s
1 x pds t2 (fit another mag stab if you can...i can't :oops: )
DRONES
your choice of explosive drones...light + meds t2 ofc, or just light t2s if you want spares.
ab to the bs/largest npc rat, orbit at 500m, fire nos and gistii sb, launch the drones and laugh. aside from officer spawns (which i've never had ) i've killed them all. you don't need a partner.
Interesting setup just a couple questions. 1. How does the shield tank work on it? I doubt I can afford a gistii sb (There aren't any in the region for sale so I'm not sure about its exact price) will it still be doable with something cheaper? My sheild tank skills are pretty low to since I've focused on armor tank. 2. Does this manage the initial approach allright? Thats when I tend to take the most damage but my shields buffer it just fine that I don't have to work my rep to hard before I'm in nos range.
LOL he just quoted you a total setup cost of probably 250mil. A gistii a-type sb alone is around 140mil - not worthwhile at all for ratting since you could technically rat far better in just about any BC and even some cruisers (thorax, vexor, etc) for way cheaper, and it would take you forever to make that 140-250mil back ratting in 0.0. Ratting in 0.0 can make decent money but its not THAT fast...I can clear out 26 belts in my raven in around 30-40 minutes and it nets me a grand total of maybe 35mil IF I run all the high end modules back to empire to sell (which I rarely do), bounties alone is maybe 15-20mil. Then the belts have to respawn, etc.
Now, on the other end of the spectrum I can solo a 7/10 deadspace (well solo is relative, 2 accounts 1 speed tanking 1 in the raven doing damage) and make anywhere from 100mil (minimum) to 1bil per run and a run takes about 45-60 minutes.
:shock: i rape the shit out of angels in my ishkur...you've just got to think outside the box. it's been a while since i've used my gw ishkur to rat, but this should destroy angels.
HIGHS
3 x small neutron blaster t2s
1 x small dim. nos
MEDS
1 x gistii small ab
1 x gistii small a-type sb
1 x fleeting webber (guess you could sub in a cap recharger if needed?)
LOWS
2 x mag. stab. t2s
1 x pds t2 (fit another mag stab if you can...i can't :oops: )
DRONES
your choice of explosive drones...light + meds t2 ofc, or just light t2s if you want spares.
ab to the bs/largest npc rat, orbit at 500m, fire nos and gistii sb, launch the drones and laugh. aside from officer spawns (which i've never had ) i've killed them all. you don't need a partner.
Interesting setup just a couple questions. 1. How does the shield tank work on it? I doubt I can afford a gistii sb (There aren't any in the region for sale so I'm not sure about its exact price) will it still be doable with something cheaper? My sheild tank skills are pretty low to since I've focused on armor tank. 2. Does this manage the initial approach allright? Thats when I tend to take the most damage but my shields buffer it just fine that I don't have to work my rep to hard before I'm in nos range.
LOL he just quoted you a total setup cost of probably 250mil. A gistii a-type sb alone is around 140mil - not worthwhile at all for ratting since you could technically rat far better in just about any BC and even some cruisers (thorax, vexor, etc) for way cheaper, and it would take you forever to make that 140-250mil back ratting in 0.0. Ratting in 0.0 can make decent money but its not THAT fast...I can clear out 26 belts in my raven in around 30-40 minutes and it nets me a grand total of maybe 35mil IF I run all the high end modules back to empire to sell (which I rarely do), bounties alone is maybe 15-20mil. Then the belts have to respawn, etc.
Now, on the other end of the spectrum I can solo a 7/10 deadspace (well solo is relative, 2 accounts 1 speed tanking 1 in the raven doing damage) and make anywhere from 100mil (minimum) to 1bil per run and a run takes about 45-60 minutes.
Where the hell are you people getting this money.
It fucking baffles me.
I am baffled.
Do you see me?
Baffled.
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<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
He just told you, he solos a 7/10 in his Raven which gets him 100m to 1 billion per run.
Which means I'm going to show up in a Tempest with a friend tanked to hell and blow up his raven and run his 7/10. Presto, now I have 100m to 1 bil per run.
He just told you, he solos a 7/10 in his Raven which gets him 100m to 1 billion per run.
Which means I'm going to show up in a Tempest with a friend tanked to hell and blow up his raven and run his 7/10. Presto, now I have 100m to 1 bil per run.
It's more the getting of the Raven/Tempest that baffles me.
In so much as: to get a decent ratting setup (ie:making mad isk) it looks like you need T2 gear to have a strong tank.
T2 gear is pretty pricey in my opinion.
Am I totally off base or is profitable ratting in 0.0 doable in a cruiser without t2 fittings?
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<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
Actually, I took out a loan to get my first battleship, but I have a low tolerance for sitting around grinding isk at low rates when I could be doing it better with a little investment.
I borrowed like 150 mil for 1 month at 10% interest, bought a Tempest, fit and insured it, started ratting, and paid off the loan after ratting with it for a few weeks.
I also sold a few GTCs as it's faster/easier to sit at my job for an hour and buy a 30 day game card than it is to sit there and rat for hours on end hoping for a faction spawn. I don't mind ratting every once in a while, but when it's your primary source of income, it gets really frustrating. Even chaining a belt for 2 hours is only going to bring in 30-50 mil, and that's with loot. Faction or hauler spawns are where the real money is, and the only way to find them is rat long enough for one to show up.
He might make money doing his complex thing but for most of us it's a little bit of patience and a little bit of tenacity.
Mining for an hour a night in 0.0 could net you around 100million over the week if you are smart about it and patient with your sell orders. The few alliance ops I've been on drove me batty though.
Ratting in an area with good 0.0 truesec used to net me 30 mill a night of half hearted effort. This is easiest done in a battleship. In our area a Raven is best, Dominix and Typhoon will do well too. You can do it in smaller ships aswell. Hell in a pinch I can kill almost any duel battleship spawn in a t1 equiped Rupture, not easy but doable. This comes with the bonus of occasional faction spawns that drop items that can sell for massive sums of money. That's not to mention the officer spawns that I know a few members of Goonfleet have snagged that if you are lucky can net you over a billion in loot. If you are unlucky they aren't much better than faction.
Mission running, there are no agents in true 0.0 but there are in NPC 0.0 and they are far better than the empire ones. This is how I am currently making my money, it's not as quick as ratting but it is more fun than mining and I have a level 4 quality 20 security agent I can farm away on in almost complete safety. Forget the mission bounty and the rat money though, (and while they are the best they can be) what you are really after is the loyalty points. You can either go for the quick payoff regularly at around 30K loyalty points and get implants and skill books that are easy to transport in a covops and sell quick for good money on the open market or go for the long term and grind your way into a faction battleship like the Caldari Navy Raven or Fleet Issue Tempest.
Then there is production, you don't have to mine to produce and you don't have to feel obligated to charge low prices. Set up a buy order for minerals at a reasonable price, buy a battleship blueprint copy off of contracts and sell at a high margin because while there are people producing cheaper there are other people who need a god damn Dominix RIGHT NOW to get back in the fight and they'll willingly pay extra for the only one left on the market.
Well that's my advice anyway, it's reasonable advice and well meant. Non of it is really easy though and there is always a good deal of luck involved too.
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t1 Angel Ratting Rupture
HIGH:
4x duel180mm AC (Fusion)
2x Heavy Missile Launcher (Scourge.. is it scourge? I dunno. Whatever the explosive one is)
MED:
1x Web
1x 10mn Afterburner
1x Cap Battery (maybe some EW I don't know)
LOWS:
1x medium armour repper
1x 800mm armor plate (or lighter if you have power problems)
1x Gyrostab
1x Explosive Hardener
1x... er other hardener.. whatever the rupture armour is second weakest to.
4x Warrior I
Swap with named equipment in order to get it to fit. This setup got a boost with Kali because now you can carry a huge supply of ammo.
Warp into a belt and unleash the drones (cross your fingers that they take aggro) Take out any frigates and destroyers straight away otherwise it's a trip back to base to pick up more drones. Get in close up to the Battleships and just pick away while they try to shoot at targets smaller than their torpedoes and orbiting too quickly under their guns optimal ranges. If it all goes pear shaped, your armor is good enough to last against one angel BS but be prepared to run away.
It needs some concentration to do but it is very very satisfying. Largest targets hit succesfully without losing a drone 2x 1.7mill spawns plus escort.
He just told you, he solos a 7/10 in his Raven which gets him 100m to 1 billion per run.
Which means I'm going to show up in a Tempest with a friend tanked to hell and blow up his raven and run his 7/10. Presto, now I have 100m to 1 bil per run.
It's more the getting of the Raven/Tempest that baffles me.
In so much as: to get a decent ratting setup (ie:making mad isk) it looks like you need T2 gear to have a strong tank.
T2 gear is pretty pricey in my opinion.
Am I totally off base or is profitable ratting in 0.0 doable in a cruiser without t2 fittings?
I used to do it in a Vexor, and it was pretty much a snooze-fest. The only thing I ever had to pay attention to was the flight in.
Highs:
5 x Small Nos
Mids:
10mn AB
2 x Cap Recharger
Lows:
1600mn Rolled Tungsten Plate
Medium Armor Repper
2 x Racial Hardeners
Drones of appropriate dmg type:
2 x Heavy
2 x Medium
1 x Light
AB in, orbit the BS at 500m, turn on the repper and take a nap. I've probably made over 500 mil isk in that setup ratting in Providence...not bad considering you're looking at maybe spending 8 mil total for ship + fittings.
I made 600 mil doing 0.0 ratting in a cruiser, 400 of that before I had any tech2, it's not that hard. Just tedious until you can get tech2 or good named guns to make killing battleships above 500k bounty not take so long You do have to be willing to go and sell the good stuff on a profitable market, though. I'd estimate...3 months. Yeah it's slow as shit but I've below 6 mil sp so I consider it just fine.
Rupture for the win.
And if I had had a coherent skillplan I could easily be in a battleship. Alas, did not, so I'm only now working on cruiser level 4. d'oh
As far as personal wealth, each million is not equally easy to get. Going from 1 to 20 million was as hard as 20 to 60, 60 to 200 million, and 200 mil to 1 bil. Every upgrade in equipment allows for a greater rate of income. That increase in rate of income seems to top out near the point that your wallet sits at 100-200 mil if you rely solely on ratting and missioning.
:shock: i rape the shit out of angels in my ishkur...you've just got to think outside the box. it's been a while since i've used my gw ishkur to rat, but this should destroy angels.
HIGHS
3 x small neutron blaster t2s
1 x small dim. nos
MEDS
1 x gistii small ab
1 x gistii small a-type sb
1 x fleeting webber (guess you could sub in a cap recharger if needed?)
LOWS
2 x mag. stab. t2s
1 x pds t2 (fit another mag stab if you can...i can't :oops: )
DRONES
your choice of explosive drones...light + meds t2 ofc, or just light t2s if you want spares.
ab to the bs/largest npc rat, orbit at 500m, fire nos and gistii sb, launch the drones and laugh. aside from officer spawns (which i've never had ) i've killed them all. you don't need a partner.
Interesting setup just a couple questions. 1. How does the shield tank work on it? I doubt I can afford a gistii sb (There aren't any in the region for sale so I'm not sure about its exact price) will it still be doable with something cheaper? My sheild tank skills are pretty low to since I've focused on armor tank. 2. Does this manage the initial approach allright? Thats when I tend to take the most damage but my shields buffer it just fine that I don't have to work my rep to hard before I'm in nos range.
LOL he just quoted you a total setup cost of probably 250mil. A gistii a-type sb alone is around 140mil - not worthwhile at all for ratting since you could technically rat far better in just about any BC and even some cruisers (thorax, vexor, etc) for way cheaper, and it would take you forever to make that 140-250mil back ratting in 0.0. Ratting in 0.0 can make decent money but its not THAT fast...I can clear out 26 belts in my raven in around 30-40 minutes and it nets me a grand total of maybe 35mil IF I run all the high end modules back to empire to sell (which I rarely do), bounties alone is maybe 15-20mil. Then the belts have to respawn, etc.
Now, on the other end of the spectrum I can solo a 7/10 deadspace (well solo is relative, 2 accounts 1 speed tanking 1 in the raven doing damage) and make anywhere from 100mil (minimum) to 1bil per run and a run takes about 45-60 minutes.
Where the hell are you people getting this money.
It fucking baffles me.
I am baffled.
Do you see me?
Baffled.
invest in worthwhile mods/ships...i actually bought my gistii small mods when i first started in eve.o, so no i didn't pay anywhere near that amount you quote for them. more like ~55-65 mil isk a pop, and the gistii mwds and abs were much cheaper back then as well...mmm i think ~20-25 mil isk a pop. i've sold most of them now, for a huge profit, but i keep some now and then for use. you can also try to play the market and invest in ships, to resell at a later time. i used to do this with faction ships as well, and made a decent amount..you've just gotta whore the escrows up and search hard. it's retarded these days with contracts, but with the confusion, there should be some nice steals.
ratting in that ishkur has made me hundreds of millions of isk, and no i don't have access to any 7/10 complexes, etc. if that were an option, i might do that instead :roll:
if you wanna know how to make some good isk, my recommendation would be to talk to ignasi...he's very shrewd and good at what he does.
He just told you, he solos a 7/10 in his Raven which gets him 100m to 1 billion per run.
Which means I'm going to show up in a Tempest with a friend tanked to hell and blow up his raven and run his 7/10. Presto, now I have 100m to 1 bil per run.
It's more the getting of the Raven/Tempest that baffles me.
In so much as: to get a decent ratting setup (ie:making mad isk) it looks like you need T2 gear to have a strong tank.
T2 gear is pretty pricey in my opinion.
Am I totally off base or is profitable ratting in 0.0 doable in a cruiser without t2 fittings?
I used to do it in a Vexor, and it was pretty much a snooze-fest. The only thing I ever had to pay attention to was the flight in.
Highs:
5 x Small Nos
Mids:
10mn AB
2 x Cap Recharger
Lows:
1600mn Rolled Tungsten Plate
Medium Armor Repper
2 x Racial Hardeners
Drones of appropriate dmg type:
2 x Heavy
2 x Medium
1 x Light
AB in, orbit the BS at 500m, turn on the repper and take a nap. I've probably made over 500 mil isk in that setup ratting in Providence...not bad considering you're looking at maybe spending 8 mil total for ship + fittings.
Wow-I somehow do not remember posting that.
I am less baffled this morning.
Question on that setup though:
Why are you using 2xHeavy, 2xMed and 1xLight?
It seems pretty arbitrary, care to explain?
Also:
I am working mainly on mining at the moment since it seems to be the easiest way to get start up money. I plan on moving into either a rupture or a vexor, I am slightly less suited for a vexor but its a damn sexy ship.
I am probably so slow to make ISK due to my own caution more than anything else. I could have been in a rupture with decent fittings by now but I prefer to have some buffer isk in case I get popped as soon as I undock.
Anyway, a whole slew of good ideas and fittings are getting thrown around and that is pretty good in my book. Thanks!
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<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
Question on that setup though:
Why are you using 2xHeavy, 2xMed and 1xLight?
It seems pretty arbitrary, care to explain?
A Vexor holds 75m3 space worth of drones. Heavy drones are 25m3, Medium drones are 10m3, and light drones are 5m3. Heavy drones hit harder than mediums, and mediums hit harder than lights, so the best ratting loadout for the most damage with the drone space available is the 2/2/1 setup.
Question on that setup though:
Why are you using 2xHeavy, 2xMed and 1xLight?
It seems pretty arbitrary, care to explain?
A Vexor holds 75m3 space worth of drones. Heavy drones are 25m3, Medium drones are 10m3, and light drones are 5m3. Heavy drones hit harder than mediums, and mediums hit harder than lights, so the best ratting loadout for the most damage with the drone space available is the 2/2/1 setup.
Make sense?
I guess so, but why not 7xMeds and 1xSmall?
I can see why 3xHeavy would be a less then optimal loadout...
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<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
Question on that setup though:
Why are you using 2xHeavy, 2xMed and 1xLight?
It seems pretty arbitrary, care to explain?
A Vexor holds 75m3 space worth of drones. Heavy drones are 25m3, Medium drones are 10m3, and light drones are 5m3. Heavy drones hit harder than mediums, and mediums hit harder than lights, so the best ratting loadout for the most damage with the drone space available is the 2/2/1 setup.
Make sense?
I guess so, but why not 7xMeds and 1xSmall?
I can see why 3xHeavy would be a less then optimal loadout...
Because you can only deploy as many drones as you have the Drones skill for, which caps at level 5 (there's an exception to this with carriers, but those are a loooong way out).
Question on that setup though:
Why are you using 2xHeavy, 2xMed and 1xLight?
It seems pretty arbitrary, care to explain?
A Vexor holds 75m3 space worth of drones. Heavy drones are 25m3, Medium drones are 10m3, and light drones are 5m3. Heavy drones hit harder than mediums, and mediums hit harder than lights, so the best ratting loadout for the most damage with the drone space available is the 2/2/1 setup.
Make sense?
I guess so, but why not 7xMeds and 1xSmall?
I can see why 3xHeavy would be a less then optimal loadout...
Because you can only deploy as many drones as you have the Drones skill for, which caps at level 5 (there's an exception to this with carriers, but those are a loooong way out).
Ah-I see. I was just trying to get around training Drones V, I had totally forgotten about that restriction on the amount of drones you can have flying around.
Oh well
I was going to need heavies at some point sooner or later.
Thanks for clearing that up
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<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
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I sent you an evemail. Once it gets processed im guessing 20-25 million after refining taxes.
Lowball compound value from eve-info put the load at 48 million isk total.
So when those guys up there say that it is worth it to rat with 10+ GSCs and then jump it all down in a carrier/hauler, they are not lying.
1 Full GSC should bring in ~ 70 million in alloy[eve-info lowball based on prior haul] pre tax
So 10 full GSC's would be 700 million in refinables pre-tax.
Every BS runs 200 m^3 and our haul was 2700m^3
This puts the "bounty/loot total" on a BS at about 3.5 million isk
Cant get good modules, but in terms of production there is nothing like it.
Looking at the haul, it looks like it will be low end mineral short, so expect market prices on low end to go up and on high end to go down.
edit: I need to do some research on truesec effecting drone rat drops. I've heard rumblings of it not effecting the value as much as with normal rats.
Or maybe I'll just ask Toast what he knows about it. Toast?
I've heard "rumblings" too, but personally I think it's a crock of shite :P Truesec almost certainly doesn't affect the drops themselves, as they're done off loot tables, but I've seen nothing to indicate that it doesn't affect spawn types and frequencies, which will almost certainly dictate what drops you get. The main problem is that most of the new regions seem to be crazy-low sec status (as in, all under -0.7), so the variations won't show up as much.
Well, I think the problem is, I haven't seen any concrete data on the differences between BS drops. A drone BS is a drone BS, they all seem to drop the same shit. I'm chaining BS spawns, but I don't know how else to maximize profit.
Truesec isn't that low except in your damn region. Most systems are a decent truesec, but the amount of belts is relatively low. Since you have to do hauls and stuff, it's a bigger pain in the ass to find a system with a good balance between belts, truesec, and proximity to a refinery. If truesec doesn't matter as much, it makes it that much easier.
Maybe I just need a carrier or something.
Scorps are cheaper than ravens. I'll pick one up when I can afford it until then the scorp is all I got. (will pickup another drake first)
So I guess you could buy a scorp, rat for 2 hours, then sell it and buy a raven.
Which is what I will likely do, either that or use the scorp til I have enough for a raven straight up. then i'll have one of each. But like I said earlier .. will buy another drake first.
Oh, k, fair enough. Haven't been ratting out there properly yet. As to truesec, fair enough, only checked our region so far :P
Don't
Scorps are worthless in PvE, fly the drake until you can afford a raven, then use that. Also don't get a ship with the intention of selling it shortly thereafter, because this means you're either eating the cost of insurance or undocking in something that isn't insured, both of which are dumb in astronomical terms
:shock: i rape the shit out of angels in my ishkur...you've just got to think outside the box. it's been a while since i've used my gw ishkur to rat, but this should destroy angels.
HIGHS
3 x small neutron blaster t2s
1 x small dim. nos
MEDS
1 x gistii small ab
1 x gistii small a-type sb
1 x fleeting webber (guess you could sub in a cap recharger if needed?)
LOWS
2 x mag. stab. t2s
1 x pds t2 (fit another mag stab if you can...i can't :oops: )
DRONES
your choice of explosive drones...light + meds t2 ofc, or just light t2s if you want spares.
ab to the bs/largest npc rat, orbit at 500m, fire nos and gistii sb, launch the drones and laugh. aside from officer spawns (which i've never had
well i've already have a scorpion up in SP already so no harm no foul there. It will do for now til I get our guys to build me another drake.
Interesting setup just a couple questions. 1. How does the shield tank work on it? I doubt I can afford a gistii sb (There aren't any in the region for sale so I'm not sure about its exact price) will it still be doable with something cheaper? My sheild tank skills are pretty low to since I've focused on armor tank. 2. Does this manage the initial approach allright? Thats when I tend to take the most damage but my shields buffer it just fine that I don't have to work my rep to hard before I'm in nos range.
I guess this is where all the WoW burnouts come to get refreshed.
I'll level some stuff up and then head out your way. This looks like alot of fun.
LOL he just quoted you a total setup cost of probably 250mil. A gistii a-type sb alone is around 140mil - not worthwhile at all for ratting since you could technically rat far better in just about any BC and even some cruisers (thorax, vexor, etc) for way cheaper, and it would take you forever to make that 140-250mil back ratting in 0.0. Ratting in 0.0 can make decent money but its not THAT fast...I can clear out 26 belts in my raven in around 30-40 minutes and it nets me a grand total of maybe 35mil IF I run all the high end modules back to empire to sell (which I rarely do), bounties alone is maybe 15-20mil. Then the belts have to respawn, etc.
Now, on the other end of the spectrum I can solo a 7/10 deadspace (well solo is relative, 2 accounts 1 speed tanking 1 in the raven doing damage) and make anywhere from 100mil (minimum) to 1bil per run and a run takes about 45-60 minutes.
Nice system you've got here.
You should try our region. :winky:
Mike99ta, I can't remember what alliance you are in.
As for general logistics, does anyone know who runs the area around Farit?
It fucking baffles me.
I am baffled.
Do you see me?
Baffled.
<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
Which means I'm going to show up in a Tempest with a friend tanked to hell and blow up his raven and run his 7/10. Presto, now I have 100m to 1 bil per run.
In so much as: to get a decent ratting setup (ie:making mad isk) it looks like you need T2 gear to have a strong tank.
T2 gear is pretty pricey in my opinion.
Am I totally off base or is profitable ratting in 0.0 doable in a cruiser without t2 fittings?
<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
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I borrowed like 150 mil for 1 month at 10% interest, bought a Tempest, fit and insured it, started ratting, and paid off the loan after ratting with it for a few weeks.
I also sold a few GTCs as it's faster/easier to sit at my job for an hour and buy a 30 day game card than it is to sit there and rat for hours on end hoping for a faction spawn. I don't mind ratting every once in a while, but when it's your primary source of income, it gets really frustrating. Even chaining a belt for 2 hours is only going to bring in 30-50 mil, and that's with loot. Faction or hauler spawns are where the real money is, and the only way to find them is rat long enough for one to show up.
Mining for an hour a night in 0.0 could net you around 100million over the week if you are smart about it and patient with your sell orders. The few alliance ops I've been on drove me batty though.
Ratting in an area with good 0.0 truesec used to net me 30 mill a night of half hearted effort. This is easiest done in a battleship. In our area a Raven is best, Dominix and Typhoon will do well too. You can do it in smaller ships aswell. Hell in a pinch I can kill almost any duel battleship spawn in a t1 equiped Rupture, not easy but doable. This comes with the bonus of occasional faction spawns that drop items that can sell for massive sums of money. That's not to mention the officer spawns that I know a few members of Goonfleet have snagged that if you are lucky can net you over a billion in loot. If you are unlucky they aren't much better than faction.
Mission running, there are no agents in true 0.0 but there are in NPC 0.0 and they are far better than the empire ones. This is how I am currently making my money, it's not as quick as ratting but it is more fun than mining and I have a level 4 quality 20 security agent I can farm away on in almost complete safety. Forget the mission bounty and the rat money though, (and while they are the best they can be) what you are really after is the loyalty points. You can either go for the quick payoff regularly at around 30K loyalty points and get implants and skill books that are easy to transport in a covops and sell quick for good money on the open market or go for the long term and grind your way into a faction battleship like the Caldari Navy Raven or Fleet Issue Tempest.
Then there is production, you don't have to mine to produce and you don't have to feel obligated to charge low prices. Set up a buy order for minerals at a reasonable price, buy a battleship blueprint copy off of contracts and sell at a high margin because while there are people producing cheaper there are other people who need a god damn Dominix RIGHT NOW to get back in the fight and they'll willingly pay extra for the only one left on the market.
Well that's my advice anyway, it's reasonable advice and well meant. Non of it is really easy though and there is always a good deal of luck involved too.
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t1 Angel Ratting Rupture
HIGH:
4x duel180mm AC (Fusion)
2x Heavy Missile Launcher (Scourge.. is it scourge? I dunno. Whatever the explosive one is)
MED:
1x Web
1x 10mn Afterburner
1x Cap Battery (maybe some EW I don't know)
LOWS:
1x medium armour repper
1x 800mm armor plate (or lighter if you have power problems)
1x Gyrostab
1x Explosive Hardener
1x... er other hardener.. whatever the rupture armour is second weakest to.
4x Warrior I
Swap with named equipment in order to get it to fit. This setup got a boost with Kali because now you can carry a huge supply of ammo.
Warp into a belt and unleash the drones (cross your fingers that they take aggro) Take out any frigates and destroyers straight away otherwise it's a trip back to base to pick up more drones. Get in close up to the Battleships and just pick away while they try to shoot at targets smaller than their torpedoes and orbiting too quickly under their guns optimal ranges. If it all goes pear shaped, your armor is good enough to last against one angel BS but be prepared to run away.
It needs some concentration to do but it is very very satisfying. Largest targets hit succesfully without losing a drone 2x 1.7mill spawns plus escort.
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I used to do it in a Vexor, and it was pretty much a snooze-fest. The only thing I ever had to pay attention to was the flight in.
Highs:
5 x Small Nos
Mids:
10mn AB
2 x Cap Recharger
Lows:
1600mn Rolled Tungsten Plate
Medium Armor Repper
2 x Racial Hardeners
Drones of appropriate dmg type:
2 x Heavy
2 x Medium
1 x Light
AB in, orbit the BS at 500m, turn on the repper and take a nap. I've probably made over 500 mil isk in that setup ratting in Providence...not bad considering you're looking at maybe spending 8 mil total for ship + fittings.
Rupture for the win.
And if I had had a coherent skillplan I could easily be in a battleship. Alas, did not, so I'm only now working on cruiser level 4. d'oh
Plan your skills? Pfft. Real men wait until they have 3 million random* SP's before hopping into a battleship.
*By random, I mean 1 mil in Learning and 800k in drones.
invest in worthwhile mods/ships...i actually bought my gistii small mods when i first started in eve.o, so no i didn't pay anywhere near that amount you quote for them. more like ~55-65 mil isk a pop, and the gistii mwds and abs were much cheaper back then as well...mmm i think ~20-25 mil isk a pop. i've sold most of them now, for a huge profit, but i keep some now and then for use. you can also try to play the market and invest in ships, to resell at a later time. i used to do this with faction ships as well, and made a decent amount..you've just gotta whore the escrows up and search hard. it's retarded these days with contracts, but with the confusion, there should be some nice steals.
ratting in that ishkur has made me hundreds of millions of isk, and no i don't have access to any 7/10 complexes, etc. if that were an option, i might do that instead :roll:
if you wanna know how to make some good isk, my recommendation would be to talk to ignasi...he's very shrewd and good at what he does.
Wow-I somehow do not remember posting that.
I am less baffled this morning.
Question on that setup though:
Why are you using 2xHeavy, 2xMed and 1xLight?
It seems pretty arbitrary, care to explain?
Also:
I am working mainly on mining at the moment since it seems to be the easiest way to get start up money. I plan on moving into either a rupture or a vexor, I am slightly less suited for a vexor but its a damn sexy ship.
I am probably so slow to make ISK due to my own caution more than anything else. I could have been in a rupture with decent fittings by now but I prefer to have some buffer isk in case I get popped as soon as I undock.
Anyway, a whole slew of good ideas and fittings are getting thrown around and that is pretty good in my book. Thanks!
<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
A Vexor holds 75m3 space worth of drones. Heavy drones are 25m3, Medium drones are 10m3, and light drones are 5m3. Heavy drones hit harder than mediums, and mediums hit harder than lights, so the best ratting loadout for the most damage with the drone space available is the 2/2/1 setup.
Make sense?
I can see why 3xHeavy would be a less then optimal loadout...
<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"
Because you can only deploy as many drones as you have the Drones skill for, which caps at level 5 (there's an exception to this with carriers, but those are a loooong way out).
Oh well
I was going to need heavies at some point sooner or later.
Thanks for clearing that up
<ProfMoriarty> oh yeah. one time I PMed a picture of my penis to a forumer, and then I got a PM from Thanatos saying "nice girth"