Drones V should be a required skill....it allows 5 drones and also drone interfacing which is a potential 100% increase in drone damage. you should probably get scout drone op up as well
invest in worthwhile mods/ships...i actually bought my gistii small mods when i first started in eve.o, so no i didn't pay anywhere near that amount you quote for them. more like ~55-65 mil isk a pop, and the gistii mwds and abs were much cheaper back then as well...mmm i think ~20-25 mil isk a pop. i've sold most of them now, for a huge profit, but i keep some now and then for use. you can also try to play the market and invest in ships, to resell at a later time. i used to do this with faction ships as well, and made a decent amount..you've just gotta whore the escrows up and search hard. it's retarded these days with contracts, but with the confusion, there should be some nice steals.
ratting in that ishkur has made me hundreds of millions of isk, and no i don't have access to any 7/10 complexes, etc. if that were an option, i might do that instead :roll:
does.
Oh, Lestat chan. Ratting in a faction fitted AF is still rediculous. One day a 0.0 Dictor gang is going to end the party. A Battleship takes less SPs, is more broadly useful, and is only a 25-35mil insurance liability. You could fit the thing with all bog standard unnamed T1 gear for a few million and still clear rats faster than the ishkur. Upgrade to better named over time and the Isk/hour keeps going up for modest equipment investments. Plus you have more cargo space. If the ishkur needs faction mods to rat Angels, then it is clearly the wrong ship for the job. <_<
I agree with the post before mine. Using ships that are not built for the job just because you can is not the best way to go about it. A battleship would do a much better job with far less risk.
I've actually made pretty decent cash from level 3 missions in Empire. It's not exciting, and sometimes downright irritating. But it's fairly safe and low stress compared to 0.0 ratting.
Hell, considering how often I have to bail a system or log off to avoid pursuers, I think this may actually be more profitable overall. The mission rewards themselves ae meager, but I make a fair bit off the bounties in some missions and the storyline and LP rewards can be quite profitable (recently sold a skillbook for 40m profit that I got from a single day's worth of missioning, not counting the other rewards a long the way).
Missions just seem more consistant to me, but 0.0 is fun for a diversion and some excitement. I just don't see 0.0 as a revenue source if it's not controlled by my corp or alliance.
I tried my hand at a lvl 3 mission. My third one, and it was those stupid controlled jump points where you warp in to a set spot. Total shity shit shit.
Well on the third warp in area I find at least 20 frigates and 10-15 cruisers with lots of warp scramble. I thought my new fancy Harbinger fitted in the best named or T2 gear money can buy would be able to cut the mustard. I was wrong, jump under my guns, to much dps, not enough warpy warp warp. So yea fuck missions.
Last night I pulled in 12m isk not including drops from a little trip into 0.0 solo in my Retribution in less then two hours. Yes, missions can go fuck themselves right up the ass hole.
I tried my hand at a lvl 3 mission. My third one, and it was those stupid controlled jump points where you warp in to a set spot. Total shity shit shit.
Well on the third warp in area I find at least 20 frigates and 10-15 cruisers with lots of warp scramble. I thought my new fancy Harbinger fitted in the best named or T2 gear money can buy would be able to cut the mustard. I was wrong, jump under my guns, to much dps, not enough warpy warp warp. So yea fuck missions.
Last night I pulled in 12m isk not including drops from a little trip into 0.0 solo in my Retribution in less then two hours. Yes, missions can go fuck themselves right up the ass hole.
Harbinger is not a good mission running ship. Has more DPS, but the tank is worse than a Prophecy. Mission running is much more about tank than gank and the Harbi just can't hold out as long as a Proph.
I tried my hand at a lvl 3 mission. My third one, and it was those stupid controlled jump points where you warp in to a set spot. Total shity shit shit.
Well on the third warp in area I find at least 20 frigates and 10-15 cruisers with lots of warp scramble. I thought my new fancy Harbinger fitted in the best named or T2 gear money can buy would be able to cut the mustard. I was wrong, jump under my guns, to much dps, not enough warpy warp warp. So yea fuck missions.
Last night I pulled in 12m isk not including drops from a little trip into 0.0 solo in my Retribution in less then two hours. Yes, missions can go fuck themselves right up the ass hole.
Harbinger is not a good mission running ship. Has more DPS, but the tank is worse than a Prophecy. Mission running is much more about tank than gank and the Harbi just can't hold out as long as a Proph.
Harbi is a poor man's zealot for gank setups IMO.
it was after losing a Moa to rogue drones in a similar way (warp scrambled, they got inside my range, couldn't hit them for anything), that i decided missiles were the way to go.
I tried my hand at a lvl 3 mission. My third one, and it was those stupid controlled jump points where you warp in to a set spot. Total shity shit shit.
Well on the third warp in area I find at least 20 frigates and 10-15 cruisers with lots of warp scramble. I thought my new fancy Harbinger fitted in the best named or T2 gear money can buy would be able to cut the mustard. I was wrong, jump under my guns, to much dps, not enough warpy warp warp. So yea fuck missions.
Last night I pulled in 12m isk not including drops from a little trip into 0.0 solo in my Retribution in less then two hours. Yes, missions can go fuck themselves right up the ass hole.
Harbinger is not a good mission running ship. Has more DPS, but the tank is worse than a Prophecy. Mission running is much more about tank than gank and the Harbi just can't hold out as long as a Proph.
Harbi is a poor man's zealot for gank setups IMO.
Doesnt matter if I was flying Santas Sliegh, 15 cruisers and warp scramble between 2000m - 10km was bull shite, and thus gives me good reason to tell agents to go fuck themselves proper. Triple Sansha Mutant Lords will cough up the iskies.
it was after losing a Moa to rogue drones in a similar way (warp scrambled, they got inside my range, couldn't hit them for anything), that i decided missiles were the way to go.
Goodness yes. I have less than half as many skill points in support skills (missiles, shield tanking, battleship skill) for my Raven that I do in my Apoc, but my Raven does more DPS and tanks better.
I know it's completely useless for fleets, but damn if it doesn't seem overpowered as hell for PvE.
Heyas. Noticed they have a non-CC payment option for Finland now that might actually work out for me so figuring I'll start playing a bit. Curious if there's a decent tutorial to be found somewhere for starting out. Read through the thread but couldn't find a link to anything that actually explains the different types of equipment or makes suggestions on what to get for your ship to start with, so you don't get blown into tiny chunks with every mission.
He just told you, he solos a 7/10 in his Raven which gets him 100m to 1 billion per run.
Which means I'm going to show up in a Tempest with a friend tanked to hell and blow up his raven and run his 7/10. Presto, now I have 100m to 1 bil per run.
Thats the funniest thing I ever heard. (especially since you expect to get deep into a non-friendly area of 0.0 with just you and a friend) Theres a few problems with that however.
#1 - I'm not telling you what or where the deadspace is I'm running
#2 - I speed tank the deadspace with an inty doing 4600m/s with an afterburner, therefore my raven isn't getting shot at at all which means its completely free to blow the shit out of anyone that shows up, and I keep it pvp fit as it can easily complete the deadspace in a pvp setup when it isn't getting shot at (also carry t2 missiles of both types and multiple damage types with me at all times just in case).
#3 - I generally have at least 3-4 other friendlies in local while running the deadspace (theres decent ratting in the same system)
#4 - Once I get through the first level of the deadspace and use the key to get through the acceleration gate, no one can follow me through for at least 2-3 hours unless they already have a key saved from an earlier failed attempt
#5 - If I'm on the first or second level of the deadspace and a neutral or hostile appears in system for more than 10-15 seconds, I immediately warp away and run the deadspace at a later safer time
As far as how this money comes, its a guaranteed 110mil or so from the deadspace just from getting Tiers and selling them to npcs, it can go up to 1bil depending on what loot drops - a few runs ago I got a gist c-type xlarge shield booster and gist c-type large shield booster, plus the tiers, plus something else i cant remember right now. Take 110mil for the tiers, sold the xlarge for 589mil, the large for 210mil, that right there is 919mil not including the other misc random stuff I had and sold, comes out to a pretty penny - that was a really lucky run though, an average run usually nets around 130mil but since I can run it in 45 minutes it doesn't matter that much.
Mike99TA taking me seriously itt. There's far better ways of spending time or making money than going out of my way to blow you up just for a 7/10. But hey, I'll humor you.
#1. Ok. I could find out your alliance and start probing out 7/10's in the area. That'd be the hardest part.
#2. I'll bring my Claw, or if I find out you fly an inty that wouldn't be suited for a duel with a Claw (not likely if you go 4.6km/sec with an AB, if I had to make a guess I'd say Crusader), I'll bring a friend in a Crow. And don't flatter yourself, ravens aren't that terrifying.
#3. Well, nothing I can do about that, except they can't help you if I get a key first. I'd just kill you and then warp out.
Mike99TA taking me seriously itt. There's far better ways of spending time or making money than going out of my way to blow you up just for a 7/10. But hey, I'll humor you.
#1. Ok. I could find out your alliance and start probing out 7/10's in the area. That'd be the hardest part.
#2. I'll bring my Claw, or if I find out you fly an inty that wouldn't be suited for a duel with a Claw (not likely if you go 4.6km/sec with an AB, if I had to make a guess I'd say Crusader), I'll bring a friend in a Crow. And don't flatter yourself, ravens aren't that terrifying.
#3. Well, nothing I can do about that, except they can't help you if I get a key first. I'd just kill you and then warp out.
#4. I know how deadspace complexes work.
#5. Ok, thanks for the deadspace loot then.
#1 - waste of time
#2 - Wrong on the ship type, and like I said I don't really care who you bring I'd just warp out anyway
#3 - see final statement of #2
#4
#5 - not likely, then you get to start running the deadspace and after you get it all tanked up me and 3-4 other friends come in and gank the hell out of you, and so the cycle continues. I never said ravens are that scary but come on, with the right skills and setup a raven can smash the hell out of a battleship - besides tempests are one of the least scariest battleships in existance once you get past the first volley.
I'd like to think with 4mil sp in missiles, caldari bs 5, 2mil in engineering (mostly focused on shield related skills besides standard fitting requirements) 1.5mil sp in drones (t2 valks, etc etc) and a fully t2/faction fitted raven in pvp setup, I am at least a LITTLE scary :P
Edit: I forgot to mention my nice tactic while speed tanking the deadspace. As I'm going through the levels (I don't kill all the NPCs, only the overseers), I slowly orbit towards the warp in beacon at each level, which slowly brings all 40+ NPCs right onto the warp in beacon, before I jump to the next level. What does this mean? It means anyone following me through appears in the center of around 40 NPCs all of which immediately target and attack - Its quite a humorous thing to hear someone complain about
Wow LOL thats the first time I've heard anyone in Eve say that about Goonswarm. Around the parts I hang in, most people laugh when Goonswarm is mentioned, usually with comments like "The only way they can win is with a 4:1 ship ratio".
#5 - not likely, then you get to start running the deadspace and after you get it all tanked up me and 3-4 other friends come in and gank the hell out of you, and so the cycle continues.
Wow LOL thats the first time I've heard anyone in Eve say that about Goonswarm. Around the parts I hang in, most people laugh when Goonswarm is mentioned, usually with comments like "The only way they can win is with a 4:1 ship ratio".
#5 - not likely, then you get to start running the deadspace and after you get it all tanked up me and 3-4 other friends come in and gank the hell out of you, and so the cycle continues.
:roll:
I'm not sure how those comments are even related - if you had a solid 200mil-1bil per run deadspace are you saying you'd take the absolute minimum number of ships needed to defend it, or that you'd use everything at your current disposal? My first comment above was made because I've ran into goonswarm before when it was me and a friend against 4-5 of them and they ran, even though they outmatched us in firepower, and it has happened more than once.
I think Mono is GS and that what he is saying is, good luck winning a fight with him. But that is just my interpretation.
I agree that is what he is saying I just think its silly of him to say that, especially considering I have the upper hand knowledge of the environment we are talking about "theoretically fighting in". Eve is not the type of game where anyone can or should claim to be superior to any other single person (especially without knowing anything about them other than the ship they fly - how much sp they have, their age, etc) without having already fought them and won, because cockyness in this game just makes you look foolish when you get your ass kicked
I was actually just pointing out how one minute you're saying goons need 4:1 ship ratios and the next minute you're like "Hey man, if you come down here I'll get 4 of my friends to come and kick your ass."
Your raven setup would probably beat anything I fly one on one unless I specifically fit myself to take on a Raven, something I don't do often. As a minmatar pilot, it's usually not worth it to fight missile boats, I never have the speed/tracking advantage.
I was actually just pointing out how one minute you're saying goons need 4:1 ship ratios and the next minute you're like "Hey man, if you come down here I'll get 4 of my friends to come and kick your ass."
Thats all fine and dandy except I was responding to you saying you'd come in with a friend set up specifically to take me out while im already fighting 40 NPCs :P, which coincidentally is exactly what I was saying about goonswarm in the first place
I havent been in a 7/10 yet is it alot of Battleships and not much else?
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
I havent been in a 7/10 yet is it alot of Battleships and not much else?
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
does the inty deal with the frigs and smaller ships or does it just fly around and nos shit?
I havent been in a 7/10 yet is it alot of Battleships and not much else?
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
does the inty deal with the frigs and smaller ships or does it just fly around and nos shit?
Neither, it orbits a central object at 4600m/s and every ship in the level of the deadspace targets it, but cannot hit it obviously since its going 4600m/s - then my raven comes in from another account and just annihilates whatever needs to be annihilated, then we move on to the next level and do the same, until the ds is finished, leaving behind every NPC except the one(s) needed to complete the deadspace and get the good loot. I could kill every NPC if i wanted but the time per mil isk made would drop dramatically.
As far as the intys etc go, my raven can easily take out interceptors (at least NPC ones) with cruise missiles and t2 medium drones. Precision cruise missiles help a lot with guided missile precision 4 and target navigation prediction 4.
I havent been in a 7/10 yet is it alot of Battleships and not much else?
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
does the inty deal with the frigs and smaller ships or does it just fly around and nos shit?
Neither, it orbits a central object at 4600m/s and every ship in the level of the deadspace targets it, but cannot hit it obviously since its going 4600m/s - then my raven comes in from another account and just annihilates whatever needs to be annihilated, then we move on to the next level and do the same, until the ds is finished, leaving behind every NPC except the one(s) needed to complete the deadspace and get the good loot. I could kill every NPC if i wanted but the time per mil isk made would drop dramatically.
As far as the intys etc go, my raven can easily take out interceptors (at least NPC ones) with cruise missiles and t2 medium drones. Precision cruise missiles help a lot with guided missile precision 4 and target navigation prediction 4.
niiice
lastly I have to ask, what do you fit on an inty so it can perma MWD
I havent been in a 7/10 yet is it alot of Battleships and not much else?
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
does the inty deal with the frigs and smaller ships or does it just fly around and nos shit?
Neither, it orbits a central object at 4600m/s and every ship in the level of the deadspace targets it, but cannot hit it obviously since its going 4600m/s - then my raven comes in from another account and just annihilates whatever needs to be annihilated, then we move on to the next level and do the same, until the ds is finished, leaving behind every NPC except the one(s) needed to complete the deadspace and get the good loot. I could kill every NPC if i wanted but the time per mil isk made would drop dramatically.
As far as the intys etc go, my raven can easily take out interceptors (at least NPC ones) with cruise missiles and t2 medium drones. Precision cruise missiles help a lot with guided missile precision 4 and target navigation prediction 4.
niiice
lastly I have to ask, what do you fit on an inty so it can perma MWD
Well you can only use an afterburner in a deadspace complex so my ship is only using an afterburner.
I can easily perma MWD on this inty though as well with any named, t2, or faction MWD - I only have my high speed maneuvering to 4 and all cap related skills to 4 or 5, with that you should be able to with just about any MWD, at least on a frig sized vehicle. 10mn and 100mn MWDs seem to use a hell of a lot more cap, ratio wise.
Edit: I have to add (just to show off) that this inty can go 9529m/s sustained forever with a MWD Not gonna share my setup but I will say that I can keep the MWD on forever, stay at 59% cap as well, and I'm not using any cap mods. The inty is an Ares, I could do even better with a crusader but I don't have amarr frig 5.
Edit again: I also don't have acceleration control 5, about 15 days left to train, I can't wait to see how fast I'll go with that.
I havent been in a 7/10 yet is it alot of Battleships and not much else?
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
does the inty deal with the frigs and smaller ships or does it just fly around and nos shit?
Neither, it orbits a central object at 4600m/s and every ship in the level of the deadspace targets it, but cannot hit it obviously since its going 4600m/s - then my raven comes in from another account and just annihilates whatever needs to be annihilated, then we move on to the next level and do the same, until the ds is finished, leaving behind every NPC except the one(s) needed to complete the deadspace and get the good loot. I could kill every NPC if i wanted but the time per mil isk made would drop dramatically.
As far as the intys etc go, my raven can easily take out interceptors (at least NPC ones) with cruise missiles and t2 medium drones. Precision cruise missiles help a lot with guided missile precision 4 and target navigation prediction 4.
niiice
lastly I have to ask, what do you fit on an inty so it can perma MWD
Well you can only use an afterburner in a deadspace complex so my ship is only using an afterburner.
I can easily perma MWD on this inty though as well with any named, t2, or faction MWD - I only have my high speed maneuvering to 4 and all cap related skills to 4 or 5, with that you should be able to with just about any MWD, at least on a frig sized vehicle. 10mn and 100mn MWDs seem to use a hell of a lot more cap, ratio wise.
Edit: I have to add (just to show off) that this inty can go 9529m/s sustained forever with a MWD Not gonna share my setup but I will say that I can keep the MWD on forever, stay at 59% cap as well, and I'm not using any cap mods. The inty is an Ares, I could do even better with a crusader but I don't have amarr frig 5.
Edit again: I also don't have acceleration control 5, about 15 days left to train, I can't wait to see how fast I'll go with that.
some crazy named AB then? do you have to be going that fast to speed tank?
I havent been in a 7/10 yet is it alot of Battleships and not much else?
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
does the inty deal with the frigs and smaller ships or does it just fly around and nos shit?
Neither, it orbits a central object at 4600m/s and every ship in the level of the deadspace targets it, but cannot hit it obviously since its going 4600m/s - then my raven comes in from another account and just annihilates whatever needs to be annihilated, then we move on to the next level and do the same, until the ds is finished, leaving behind every NPC except the one(s) needed to complete the deadspace and get the good loot. I could kill every NPC if i wanted but the time per mil isk made would drop dramatically.
As far as the intys etc go, my raven can easily take out interceptors (at least NPC ones) with cruise missiles and t2 medium drones. Precision cruise missiles help a lot with guided missile precision 4 and target navigation prediction 4.
niiice
lastly I have to ask, what do you fit on an inty so it can perma MWD
Well you can only use an afterburner in a deadspace complex so my ship is only using an afterburner.
I can easily perma MWD on this inty though as well with any named, t2, or faction MWD - I only have my high speed maneuvering to 4 and all cap related skills to 4 or 5, with that you should be able to with just about any MWD, at least on a frig sized vehicle. 10mn and 100mn MWDs seem to use a hell of a lot more cap, ratio wise.
Edit: I have to add (just to show off) that this inty can go 9529m/s sustained forever with a MWD Not gonna share my setup but I will say that I can keep the MWD on forever, stay at 59% cap as well, and I'm not using any cap mods. The inty is an Ares, I could do even better with a crusader but I don't have amarr frig 5.
Edit again: I also don't have acceleration control 5, about 15 days left to train, I can't wait to see how fast I'll go with that.
some crazy named AB then? do you have to be going that fast to speed tank?
Not at all (to the crazy named AB that is) but I don't want to share all my secrets. Its not so much a question of how fast you have to be going to speed tank, the question is how fast you have to be going to get to the next gate and warp before all the NPCs actually start hitting you because you're no longer orbitting them
Now some of the categories that EVE won are really iffy, like PVE and Story.
I should be happy that EVE won, but man, I feel so dirty because it seems so rigged. (CCP putting a link to the voting on EVE's main page) :?
Now some of the categories that EVE won are really iffy, like PVE and Story.
I should be happy that EVE won, but man, I feel so dirty because it seems so rigged. (CCP putting a link to the voting on EVE's main page) :?
EVE actually won all of them. It wasn't in the running for "Best new game" or "Most Anticipated."
Instead of risking my overpriced hyperion in empire through pvp, I decided to clone jump to 0.0 space into my dominix the very second I found out my corp was just war decced. I'm convinced that was a smart thing to do. :oops:
Instead of risking my overpriced hyperion in empire through pvp, I decided to clone jump to 0.0 space into my dominix the very second I found out my corp was just war decced. I'm convinced that was a smart thing to do. :oops:
Uh...it sounds like the right thing to do if you didn't want to lose the Hyperion.
It's not like the wardec makes a difference in 0.0 anyway.
Instead of risking my overpriced hyperion in empire through pvp, I decided to clone jump to 0.0 space into my dominix the very second I found out my corp was just war decced. I'm convinced that was a smart thing to do. :oops:
Uh...it sounds like the right thing to do if you didn't want to lose the Hyperion.
It's not like the wardec makes a difference in 0.0 anyway.
That was pretty much the reason I jumped, because it was safer there.
Besides, my hyp is in essense and my 0.0 is in geminate... so it's not a very safe trek.
Now some of the categories that EVE won are really iffy, like PVE and Story.
I should be happy that EVE won, but man, I feel so dirty because it seems so rigged. (CCP putting a link to the voting on EVE's main page) :?
That was pretty ridiculous. I'm kinda surprised they left the voting process so open. I wonder if they even selected the games to choose from for each category first, or just listed every MMO they could. I mean, seriously, best story? Best PVE? Heh, gotta love the power of a fanbase on the Internet, though.
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> turn on light Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
Now some of the categories that EVE won are really iffy, like PVE and Story.
I should be happy that EVE won, but man, I feel so dirty because it seems so rigged. (CCP putting a link to the voting on EVE's main page) :?
That was pretty ridiculous. I'm kinda surprised they left the voting process so open. I wonder if they even selected the games to choose from for each category first, or just listed every MMO they could. I mean, seriously, best story? Best PVE? Heh, gotta love the power of a fanbase on the Internet, though.
The reader base had to nominate a MMORPG before voting.
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Oh, Lestat chan. Ratting in a faction fitted AF is still rediculous. One day a 0.0 Dictor gang is going to end the party. A Battleship takes less SPs, is more broadly useful, and is only a 25-35mil insurance liability. You could fit the thing with all bog standard unnamed T1 gear for a few million and still clear rats faster than the ishkur. Upgrade to better named over time and the Isk/hour keeps going up for modest equipment investments. Plus you have more cargo space. If the ishkur needs faction mods to rat Angels, then it is clearly the wrong ship for the job. <_<
Hell, considering how often I have to bail a system or log off to avoid pursuers, I think this may actually be more profitable overall. The mission rewards themselves ae meager, but I make a fair bit off the bounties in some missions and the storyline and LP rewards can be quite profitable (recently sold a skillbook for 40m profit that I got from a single day's worth of missioning, not counting the other rewards a long the way).
Missions just seem more consistant to me, but 0.0 is fun for a diversion and some excitement. I just don't see 0.0 as a revenue source if it's not controlled by my corp or alliance.
Well on the third warp in area I find at least 20 frigates and 10-15 cruisers with lots of warp scramble. I thought my new fancy Harbinger fitted in the best named or T2 gear money can buy would be able to cut the mustard. I was wrong, jump under my guns, to much dps, not enough warpy warp warp. So yea fuck missions.
Last night I pulled in 12m isk not including drops from a little trip into 0.0 solo in my Retribution in less then two hours. Yes, missions can go fuck themselves right up the ass hole.
Harbinger is not a good mission running ship. Has more DPS, but the tank is worse than a Prophecy. Mission running is much more about tank than gank and the Harbi just can't hold out as long as a Proph.
Harbi is a poor man's zealot for gank setups IMO.
Doesnt matter if I was flying Santas Sliegh, 15 cruisers and warp scramble between 2000m - 10km was bull shite, and thus gives me good reason to tell agents to go fuck themselves proper. Triple Sansha Mutant Lords will cough up the iskies.
Goodness yes. I have less than half as many skill points in support skills (missiles, shield tanking, battleship skill) for my Raven that I do in my Apoc, but my Raven does more DPS and tanks better.
I know it's completely useless for fleets, but damn if it doesn't seem overpowered as hell for PvE.
Thats the funniest thing I ever heard. (especially since you expect to get deep into a non-friendly area of 0.0 with just you and a friend) Theres a few problems with that however.
#1 - I'm not telling you what or where the deadspace is I'm running
#2 - I speed tank the deadspace with an inty doing 4600m/s with an afterburner, therefore my raven isn't getting shot at at all which means its completely free to blow the shit out of anyone that shows up, and I keep it pvp fit as it can easily complete the deadspace in a pvp setup when it isn't getting shot at (also carry t2 missiles of both types and multiple damage types with me at all times just in case).
#3 - I generally have at least 3-4 other friendlies in local while running the deadspace (theres decent ratting in the same system)
#4 - Once I get through the first level of the deadspace and use the key to get through the acceleration gate, no one can follow me through for at least 2-3 hours unless they already have a key saved from an earlier failed attempt
#5 - If I'm on the first or second level of the deadspace and a neutral or hostile appears in system for more than 10-15 seconds, I immediately warp away and run the deadspace at a later safer time
As far as how this money comes, its a guaranteed 110mil or so from the deadspace just from getting Tiers and selling them to npcs, it can go up to 1bil depending on what loot drops - a few runs ago I got a gist c-type xlarge shield booster and gist c-type large shield booster, plus the tiers, plus something else i cant remember right now. Take 110mil for the tiers, sold the xlarge for 589mil, the large for 210mil, that right there is 919mil not including the other misc random stuff I had and sold, comes out to a pretty penny - that was a really lucky run though, an average run usually nets around 130mil but since I can run it in 45 minutes it doesn't matter that much.
#1. Ok. I could find out your alliance and start probing out 7/10's in the area. That'd be the hardest part.
#2. I'll bring my Claw, or if I find out you fly an inty that wouldn't be suited for a duel with a Claw (not likely if you go 4.6km/sec with an AB, if I had to make a guess I'd say Crusader), I'll bring a friend in a Crow. And don't flatter yourself, ravens aren't that terrifying.
#3. Well, nothing I can do about that, except they can't help you if I get a key first. I'd just kill you and then warp out.
#4. I know how deadspace complexes work.
#5. Ok, thanks for the deadspace loot then.
#1 - waste of time
#2 - Wrong on the ship type, and like I said I don't really care who you bring I'd just warp out anyway
#3 - see final statement of #2
#4
#5 - not likely, then you get to start running the deadspace and after you get it all tanked up me and 3-4 other friends come in and gank the hell out of you, and so the cycle continues. I never said ravens are that scary but come on, with the right skills and setup a raven can smash the hell out of a battleship - besides tempests are one of the least scariest battleships in existance once you get past the first volley.
I'd like to think with 4mil sp in missiles, caldari bs 5, 2mil in engineering (mostly focused on shield related skills besides standard fitting requirements) 1.5mil sp in drones (t2 valks, etc etc) and a fully t2/faction fitted raven in pvp setup, I am at least a LITTLE scary :P
Edit: I forgot to mention my nice tactic while speed tanking the deadspace. As I'm going through the levels (I don't kill all the NPCs, only the overseers), I slowly orbit towards the warp in beacon at each level, which slowly brings all 40+ NPCs right onto the warp in beacon, before I jump to the next level. What does this mean? It means anyone following me through appears in the center of around 40 NPCs all of which immediately target and attack - Its quite a humorous thing to hear someone complain about
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I'm not sure how those comments are even related - if you had a solid 200mil-1bil per run deadspace are you saying you'd take the absolute minimum number of ships needed to defend it, or that you'd use everything at your current disposal? My first comment above was made because I've ran into goonswarm before when it was me and a friend against 4-5 of them and they ran, even though they outmatched us in firepower, and it has happened more than once.
I agree that is what he is saying I just think its silly of him to say that, especially considering I have the upper hand knowledge of the environment we are talking about "theoretically fighting in". Eve is not the type of game where anyone can or should claim to be superior to any other single person (especially without knowing anything about them other than the ship they fly - how much sp they have, their age, etc) without having already fought them and won, because cockyness in this game just makes you look foolish when you get your ass kicked
Your raven setup would probably beat anything I fly one on one unless I specifically fit myself to take on a Raven, something I don't do often. As a minmatar pilot, it's usually not worth it to fight missile boats, I never have the speed/tracking advantage.
Thats all fine and dandy except I was responding to you saying you'd come in with a friend set up specifically to take me out while im already fighting 40 NPCs :P, which coincidentally is exactly what I was saying about goonswarm in the first place
Its a fairly even spread between frig type vessels (interceptors, etc), cruisers/battlecruisers, and battleships - probably even amounts of each.
The toughest part if you can speed tank the deadspace is just having the dps to take out the overseers, though with a raven its easy as hell considering they're all structures or battleships, though I probably use around 1000-1500 cruise missiles (plus my 5 t2 drones) just to complete the deadspace and I'm only killing everything on the first level, plus 4 overseers.
does the inty deal with the frigs and smaller ships or does it just fly around and nos shit?
Neither, it orbits a central object at 4600m/s and every ship in the level of the deadspace targets it, but cannot hit it obviously since its going 4600m/s - then my raven comes in from another account and just annihilates whatever needs to be annihilated, then we move on to the next level and do the same, until the ds is finished, leaving behind every NPC except the one(s) needed to complete the deadspace and get the good loot. I could kill every NPC if i wanted but the time per mil isk made would drop dramatically.
As far as the intys etc go, my raven can easily take out interceptors (at least NPC ones) with cruise missiles and t2 medium drones. Precision cruise missiles help a lot with guided missile precision 4 and target navigation prediction 4.
niiice
lastly I have to ask, what do you fit on an inty so it can perma MWD
Well you can only use an afterburner in a deadspace complex so my ship is only using an afterburner.
I can easily perma MWD on this inty though as well with any named, t2, or faction MWD - I only have my high speed maneuvering to 4 and all cap related skills to 4 or 5, with that you should be able to with just about any MWD, at least on a frig sized vehicle. 10mn and 100mn MWDs seem to use a hell of a lot more cap, ratio wise.
Edit: I have to add (just to show off) that this inty can go 9529m/s sustained forever with a MWD
Edit again: I also don't have acceleration control 5, about 15 days left to train, I can't wait to see how fast I'll go with that.
some crazy named AB then? do you have to be going that fast to speed tank?
Not at all (to the crazy named AB that is) but I don't want to share all my secrets. Its not so much a question of how fast you have to be going to speed tank, the question is how fast you have to be going to get to the next gate and warp before all the NPCs actually start hitting you because you're no longer orbitting them
EVE Online
Now some of the categories that EVE won are really iffy, like PVE and Story.
I should be happy that EVE won, but man, I feel so dirty because it seems so rigged. (CCP putting a link to the voting on EVE's main page) :?
Between 2% and 4.16% faster.
EVE actually won all of them. It wasn't in the running for "Best new game" or "Most Anticipated."
Uh...it sounds like the right thing to do if you didn't want to lose the Hyperion.
It's not like the wardec makes a difference in 0.0 anyway.
That was pretty much the reason I jumped, because it was safer there.
Besides, my hyp is in essense and my 0.0 is in geminate... so it's not a very safe trek.
That was pretty ridiculous. I'm kinda surprised they left the voting process so open. I wonder if they even selected the games to choose from for each category first, or just listed every MMO they could. I mean, seriously, best story? Best PVE? Heh, gotta love the power of a fanbase on the Internet, though.
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
Both have pretty darn weak plots, if any at all. At least EVE has one coherent game world.
Shit, the players in EVE are the plot. That's why its so good.