I'm surprised that WoW with its 6 million plus playerbase didn't win this, what with it being open voting.
They probably would have done if blizzard had asked players to vote, but I don't think blizzard even noticed there was an awards. They were too busy swimming naked in cash.
I'm surprised that WoW with its 6 million plus playerbase didn't win this, what with it being open voting.
They probably would have done if blizzard had asked players to vote, but I don't think blizzard even noticed there was an awards. They were too busy swimming naked in cash.
and is that not what man has dreamt of since he first looked up at the stars?
....Kif, I'm asking you a question...
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The only other real contender is World of Warcraft or Guild Wars.
Both have pretty darn weak plots, if any at all. At least EVE has one coherent game world.
Shit, the players in EVE are the plot. That's why its so good.
Now I know why you have a 'shroom in your username. GW I know nothing about, but WoW has an incredible, coherent storyline starting from the very first Warcraft. Just because you don't like a fantasy story...
The only other real contender is World of Warcraft or Guild Wars.
Both have pretty darn weak plots, if any at all. At least EVE has one coherent game world.
Shit, the players in EVE are the plot. That's why its so good.
Now I know why you have a 'shroom in your username. GW I know nothing about, but WoW has an incredible, coherent storyline starting from the very first Warcraft. Just because you don't like a fantasy story...
Warcraft has a mind-blastingly bland and uninteresting generic fantasy storyline, the game's universe is carried forward by the strength of its charming art-style and humor.
I'll take EVE's hard-edged player generated universe any day.
Now some of the categories that EVE won are really iffy, like PVE and Story.
I should be happy that EVE won, but man, I feel so dirty because it seems so rigged. (CCP putting a link to the voting on EVE's main page) :?
That was pretty ridiculous. I'm kinda surprised they left the voting process so open. I wonder if they even selected the games to choose from for each category first, or just listed every MMO they could. I mean, seriously, best story? Best PVE? Heh, gotta love the power of a fanbase on the Internet, though.
You obviously know nothing of the Eve story or history. Dig a little bit. There is a HUGE back story with tons of novellas, short stories, and textbook like documents written up on the Eve website and in other places. Just because the "Missions" in Eve don't tell a story doesn't mean there isn't an awesome one.
As far as just plain PvE yes it pretty much is the weakest point of Eve but the story is actually quite awesome.
Now some of the categories that EVE won are really iffy, like PVE and Story.
I should be happy that EVE won, but man, I feel so dirty because it seems so rigged. (CCP putting a link to the voting on EVE's main page) :?
That was pretty ridiculous. I'm kinda surprised they left the voting process so open. I wonder if they even selected the games to choose from for each category first, or just listed every MMO they could. I mean, seriously, best story? Best PVE? Heh, gotta love the power of a fanbase on the Internet, though.
You obviously know nothing of the Eve story or history. Dig a little bit. There is a HUGE back story with tons of novellas, short stories, and textbook like documents written up on the Eve website and in other places. Just because the "Missions" in Eve don't tell a story doesn't mean there isn't an awesome one.
As far as just plain PvE yes it pretty much is the weakest point of Eve but the story is actually quite awesome.
EVE's story should get a whole lot more interesting once factional warfare starts up even in it's somewhat un-exciting form (no corps/alliance direct participation).
argh, subscription ran out for the month and i still need to put some money in the bank before i renew it. Well, I think ill get it started up again sometime this week, just in time for Heavy missiles 5 to finish training
Yeah, what everyone else said, Eve has a great story behind it should you care to read up on it. It's just not well pesented in-game.
Now PvE, that part I can't agree with. Eve's PvE stuff goes from mind numbingly boring to teeth gnashingly irritating. Mining, mission running, and ratting... none of those are fun activities (but they are money makers). Yes I left trading off there, that is really more of a PvP activity, you're competing against other traders to make a profit (considering the fortunes you can cost someone, it can be even more brutal than simply blowing someone up).
Yeah, what everyone else said, Eve has a great story behind it should you care to read up on it. It's just not well pesented in-game.
Now PvE, that part I can't agree with. Eve's PvE stuff goes from mind numbingly boring to teeth gnashingly irritating. Mining, mission running, and ratting... none of those are fun activities (but they are money makers). Yes I left trading off there, that is really more of a PvP activity, you're competing against other traders to make a profit (considering the fortunes you can cost someone, it can be even more brutal than simply blowing someone up).
You could argue that, by its very nature, everything in EVE can be classed as PVP. Everything from direct combat down to market trading and resource management.
I think this is why I'm liking it so much. WoW for me was all about the PVP. Which sucked. Then I had a very brief stint in Guild Wars, again, trying to find some decent PVP. Now EVE comes along and withint 4 hours of starting my character some asshole in a retribution comes and blows up my ship in .6 space and makes a runner. It felt like being kicked in the balls by the bully at school. But it was still awesome.
So if like 20 people from a corp hop into warships, is there a way to keep them a certain distance from each other and travel like sort of a fleet? Would you use keep at range to do that?
which seems to be a server load issue since the Revelations patch. I.e. there is some arbitrary maximum amount of pilots allowed on the server and just like WoW it will queue you if you try to log on after this threshold is reached.
Goumin, contract that maller and as soon as I can get on ill fullfil it. was in the process of writing one when it CTDd me.
So if like 20 people from a corp hop into warships, is there a way to keep them a certain distance from each other and travel like sort of a fleet? Would you use keep at range to do that?
I am just trying to spark dreams.
Just so you know, fleets in Eve can easily reach 300 people. 20 is a small gank squad. There's a very short shot of said sized fleet at the 2:40 mark here (but watch the rest as well):
Should give you an idea of what Eve combat can look like. Goonfleet October/September/August have more similar footage as well if you like the look of it. Blue squares are icons that represent friendly players when zoomed out.
(won't be able to apply to GF unless you have a three month old SA.com account though)
which seems to be a server load issue since the Revelations patch. I.e. there is some arbitrary maximum amount of pilots allowed on the server and just like WoW it will queue you if you try to log on after this threshold is reached.
Goumin, contract that maller and as soon as I can get on ill fullfil it. was in the process of writing one when it CTDd me.
Sounds like a bug and/or a local connection problem. There's no limit to max number of pilots on the server.
which seems to be a server load issue since the Revelations patch. I.e. there is some arbitrary maximum amount of pilots allowed on the server and just like WoW it will queue you if you try to log on after this threshold is reached.
Goumin, contract that maller and as soon as I can get on ill fullfil it. was in the process of writing one when it CTDd me.
Sounds like a bug and/or a local connection problem. There's no limit to max number of pilots on the server.
I know. This is what I thought right off, but then when I tried to log in it said on the login screen 29,000 pilots online. 20 in queue. Now this I assumed was the login queue. So its not the server but the login server with a queue. Perhaps I caught it at a bad time when a lot of people were logging on. Either way, it seems to have resolved itself now and works fine.
So a friend and I are dipping into EVE again - both of us Minmatars, both of us heavy into mining and making good enough IDK so far. I was thinking of picking up a Scythe as I continue to level up in skills for it... How helpful are drones for defense? I ask because I've heard the mining ones are absolute shit.
Well against rats they are suitable. As in you wont need to warp out as immediately, especially if you have heavy drones.
Against other players, utterly useless unless backed up by actual firepower. Better to just take mining drones and leg it if the shit hits the fan.
Sorry but that is completely wrong. Drones are AWESOME in PvP, in fact the best PvP ships (solo anyway) are drone ships that can load up nos in the highs (Ishkur, Ishtar, Dominix, Typhoon, etc).
5 light t2 drones with proper skills (800k in drones or so) will tear up frigates, 5 medium drones will tear up t1 cruisers, and 5 heavies (more like 1.8mil sp in drones for heavies as you need heavy drones 5 for t2) will tear up just about anything at least once the tank is shut down (via nos).
Well against rats they are suitable. As in you wont need to warp out as immediately, especially if you have heavy drones.
Against other players, utterly useless unless backed up by actual firepower. Better to just take mining drones and leg it if the shit hits the fan.
Sorry but that is completely wrong. Drones are AWESOME in PvP, in fact the best PvP ships (solo anyway) are drone ships that can load up nos in the highs (Ishkur, Ishtar, Dominix, Typhoon, etc).
5 light t2 drones with proper skills (800k in drones or so) will tear up frigates, 5 medium drones will tear up t1 cruisers, and 5 heavies (more like 1.8mil sp in drones for heavies as you need heavy drones 5 for t2) will tear up just about anything at least once the tank is shut down (via nos).
I've heard of NOS being mentioned on a few posts, but what is it?
i have a procurer with no strip miner, a navitas with a miner 1 and a couple of railguns, and a shuttle. i want to go to Hoshoun and join. what should i bring with me?
Well against rats they are suitable. As in you wont need to warp out as immediately, especially if you have heavy drones.
Against other players, utterly useless unless backed up by actual firepower. Better to just take mining drones and leg it if the shit hits the fan.
Sorry but that is completely wrong. Drones are AWESOME in PvP, in fact the best PvP ships (solo anyway) are drone ships that can load up nos in the highs (Ishkur, Ishtar, Dominix, Typhoon, etc).
5 light t2 drones with proper skills (800k in drones or so) will tear up frigates, 5 medium drones will tear up t1 cruisers, and 5 heavies (more like 1.8mil sp in drones for heavies as you need heavy drones 5 for t2) will tear up just about anything at least once the tank is shut down (via nos).
I've heard of NOS being mentioned on a few posts, but what is it?
Nosferatu. Steals enemy ship capacitor and puts it in your own. Basically leeching from them.
As for drones. Yes I completely realise they are awesome and battle winning tools. But I was under the assumption he was to be in a mining barge or something, where even if he had drones he wouldnt be able to actually fight and kill something just with them. Though I might be wrong but as I see it, drones are awesome, but only if you dont die before they kill the enemy.
I have to agree with Mike, even from my sub-5 M SP perspective.
I trained drones simply as defense for mining (covetor + 5 mediums), then noticed that they were chewing through the rats.
Now I "mine" rats in 0.0 with a Vexor and make more isk/hr than in the Covetor, with a ship that doesn't have to flee pirates. My carebear skills mean I can refine crap loot and sell named loot, and make my own drones
Wow. I haven't been following EVE alliance politics for a long time. Did BoB beat them, or did they just fall apart from within? How much did the Titan loss have to do with it, or was that just an indicator of how bad things already were?
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I imagine having BoB occupy your capital system, your capital sheep fleet largely destroyed or missing in action, and your corporate alliances quickly vanishing might have something to do with it.
Personally, I hope we see a unified front against BoB soon.
At this point I'm skeptical it's ever going to happen. Whoever BoB attack, people are usually pretty happy to see them go.
Of course...if they decided to be an expansionist alliance and try and hold the territory they take, then it might get more interesting, but that's not going to happen - they know they can't hold it and don't need it, so they'll make people rent it and leave them be.
The perfect responce to BOB's "neutral hero" is a well rounded "anti-hero". Someone who can make fun-loving gameplay ot of ingame-war. No-one in EvE wants a monopoly to rule and no-one wants a tyrant running about. The threat of these "BoBs" is great
Well one day BoB will invade 'Poland' and it will be one step too far* and a lot of other alliances will form up and retaliate together. Coupled with the fact that, just like Germany, they have two large fronts to fight on, it will be interesting to see what they do. I'd imagine that it will be a while off yet, but looking at the map, and the alliances they have crushed, it wont be long before someone forms some agreement somewhere and some grand crusade takes place with pilots from all over joining the fight.
In the drawing board part of their site CCP have in testing features which allow for neutrals to pick a side in a faction war. I have no doubt this will be used as well for alliance wars. For example if I am a MerchI pilot, not affiliated to either BoB or, say, ASCN, and they went to war, I could in a way swear fealty to either side and be considered temporarily part of that alliance, for the purposes of PVP and combat, while still remaining part of my own corp and my own alliance. Once this comes into effect the amount of mercenaries will increase as the mechanics for hiring out other corps and alliances for war could happen.
*Of course I am using the outbreak of World War 2 as a metaphor for what is happening, as it is quite a good analogy. Seems a lot of other alliances are favoring appeasement at the moment because they know they aren't strong enough. What is so delicious is that this kind of thing can even happen in a game. Shit, World of Warcraft has nothing on this at all. It's brilliant. Definetly feels like a more mature game to play, and with steadily growing numbers EVE will surely be around for a long time.
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Now I know why you have a 'shroom in your username. GW I know nothing about, but WoW has an incredible, coherent storyline starting from the very first Warcraft. Just because you don't like a fantasy story...
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Warcraft has a mind-blastingly bland and uninteresting generic fantasy storyline, the game's universe is carried forward by the strength of its charming art-style and humor.
I'll take EVE's hard-edged player generated universe any day.
You obviously know nothing of the Eve story or history. Dig a little bit. There is a HUGE back story with tons of novellas, short stories, and textbook like documents written up on the Eve website and in other places. Just because the "Missions" in Eve don't tell a story doesn't mean there isn't an awesome one.
As far as just plain PvE yes it pretty much is the weakest point of Eve but the story is actually quite awesome.
Now PvE, that part I can't agree with. Eve's PvE stuff goes from mind numbingly boring to teeth gnashingly irritating. Mining, mission running, and ratting... none of those are fun activities (but they are money makers). Yes I left trading off there, that is really more of a PvP activity, you're competing against other traders to make a profit (considering the fortunes you can cost someone, it can be even more brutal than simply blowing someone up).
You could argue that, by its very nature, everything in EVE can be classed as PVP. Everything from direct combat down to market trading and resource management.
I think this is why I'm liking it so much. WoW for me was all about the PVP. Which sucked. Then I had a very brief stint in Guild Wars, again, trying to find some decent PVP. Now EVE comes along and withint 4 hours of starting my character some asshole in a retribution comes and blows up my ship in .6 space and makes a runner. It felt like being kicked in the balls by the bully at school. But it was still awesome.
And leave my autopilot on...
And come right back to the gate to the gate and get popped and podded.
It was annoying, but I got to my destination faster.
I am just trying to spark dreams.
Specifically this exact problem
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=424934
which seems to be a server load issue since the Revelations patch. I.e. there is some arbitrary maximum amount of pilots allowed on the server and just like WoW it will queue you if you try to log on after this threshold is reached.
Goumin, contract that maller and as soon as I can get on ill fullfil it. was in the process of writing one when it CTDd me.
Just so you know, fleets in Eve can easily reach 300 people. 20 is a small gank squad. There's a very short shot of said sized fleet at the 2:40 mark here (but watch the rest as well):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfnOJlmpU0U
Should give you an idea of what Eve combat can look like. Goonfleet October/September/August have more similar footage as well if you like the look of it. Blue squares are icons that represent friendly players when zoomed out.
(won't be able to apply to GF unless you have a three month old SA.com account though)
Sounds like a bug and/or a local connection problem. There's no limit to max number of pilots on the server.
I know. This is what I thought right off, but then when I tried to log in it said on the login screen 29,000 pilots online. 20 in queue. Now this I assumed was the login queue. So its not the server but the login server with a queue. Perhaps I caught it at a bad time when a lot of people were logging on. Either way, it seems to have resolved itself now and works fine.
I'm interested to see how precisions would do.
Against other players, utterly useless unless backed up by actual firepower. Better to just take mining drones and leg it if the shit hits the fan.
Sorry but that is completely wrong. Drones are AWESOME in PvP, in fact the best PvP ships (solo anyway) are drone ships that can load up nos in the highs (Ishkur, Ishtar, Dominix, Typhoon, etc).
5 light t2 drones with proper skills (800k in drones or so) will tear up frigates, 5 medium drones will tear up t1 cruisers, and 5 heavies (more like 1.8mil sp in drones for heavies as you need heavy drones 5 for t2) will tear up just about anything at least once the tank is shut down (via nos).
I've heard of NOS being mentioned on a few posts, but what is it?
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Nosferatu. Steals enemy ship capacitor and puts it in your own. Basically leeching from them.
As for drones. Yes I completely realise they are awesome and battle winning tools. But I was under the assumption he was to be in a mining barge or something, where even if he had drones he wouldnt be able to actually fight and kill something just with them. Though I might be wrong but as I see it, drones are awesome, but only if you dont die before they kill the enemy.
I trained drones simply as defense for mining (covetor + 5 mediums), then noticed that they were chewing through the rats.
Now I "mine" rats in 0.0 with a Vexor and make more isk/hr than in the Covetor, with a ship that doesn't have to flee pirates. My carebear skills mean I can refine crap loot and sell named loot, and make my own drones
ASCN folds.
I love this game
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great user created fan fiction though
cant really give credit to CCP for the creativeness of their playerbase
Wow. I haven't been following EVE alliance politics for a long time. Did BoB beat them, or did they just fall apart from within? How much did the Titan loss have to do with it, or was that just an indicator of how bad things already were?
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
no, but you can give CCP credit for creating the ability for their players creativity to actually affect the game world (because it IS the gameworld)
I'll take human drama and the comedy of desire over scripted nonsense anyday. The fact that there's LazerzPewPew is just an added bonus. 8)
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Personally, I hope we see a unified front against BoB soon.
Of course...if they decided to be an expansionist alliance and try and hold the territory they take, then it might get more interesting, but that's not going to happen - they know they can't hold it and don't need it, so they'll make people rent it and leave them be.
all we need is a few good bobbits.
Domination -> BrunswickBeardcombe - SuperKudukuJazz
In the drawing board part of their site CCP have in testing features which allow for neutrals to pick a side in a faction war. I have no doubt this will be used as well for alliance wars. For example if I am a MerchI pilot, not affiliated to either BoB or, say, ASCN, and they went to war, I could in a way swear fealty to either side and be considered temporarily part of that alliance, for the purposes of PVP and combat, while still remaining part of my own corp and my own alliance. Once this comes into effect the amount of mercenaries will increase as the mechanics for hiring out other corps and alliances for war could happen.
*Of course I am using the outbreak of World War 2 as a metaphor for what is happening, as it is quite a good analogy. Seems a lot of other alliances are favoring appeasement at the moment because they know they aren't strong enough. What is so delicious is that this kind of thing can even happen in a game. Shit, World of Warcraft has nothing on this at all. It's brilliant. Definetly feels like a more mature game to play, and with steadily growing numbers EVE will surely be around for a long time.