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Hdmi cables

GrimmGrimm Registered User regular
edited August 2009 in Games and Technology
so i just went out and bought myself a brand new 46 inch, 1080p, 120hz, hd tv. As my last tv is over a decade old, im new to alot of this new technology. What im looking for is a place to get a Hdmi cable to connect my laptop to the tv. I seem to remember something about how you should always get your cables online because its cheaper. Is this true or am i just imagining things again? also please excuse any formating or other problems with this post as im typing it on a cell phone that is just about unusable.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    monoprice.com

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  • nessinnessin Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Grimm wrote: »
    so i just went out and bought myself a brand new 46 inch, 1080p, 120hz, hd tv. As my last tv is over a decade old, im new to alot of this new technology. What im looking for is a place to get a Hdmi cable to connect my laptop to the tv. I seem to remember something about how you should always get your cables online because its cheaper. Is this true or am i just imagining things again? also please excuse any formating or other problems with this post as im typing it on a cell phone that is just about unusable.

    In general its cheaper online, as most online stores avoid the massive markup. However, if you live near a Fry's, and want one right away, you can get a 10' HDMI for only $2 bucks there (saw it in their their latest ad, not sure how long it will stay that way).

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  • The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    monoprice.com

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  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    monoprice.com

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

    but hdmi has sound and dvi is video only.

    If he's using the cable to transmit sound, he needs HDMI.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

    but hdmi has sound and dvi is video only.

    If he's using the cable to transmit sound, he needs HDMI.

    Essentially HDMI is an extension of the DVI standard with a better plug.

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  • Lord JezoLord Jezo Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    monoprice.com

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

    but hdmi has sound and dvi is video only.

    If he's using the cable to transmit sound, he needs HDMI.

    Essentially HDMI is an extension of the DVI standard with a better plug.

    Does DVI allow HDCP, though?

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  • AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

    but hdmi has sound and dvi is video only.

    If he's using the cable to transmit sound, he needs HDMI.

    Essentially HDMI is an extension of the DVI standard with a better plug.

    Does DVI allow HDCP, though?

    Some stuff that uses DVI can understand and do HDCP, some can't.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

    but hdmi has sound and dvi is video only.

    If he's using the cable to transmit sound, he needs HDMI.

    Essentially HDMI is an extension of the DVI standard with a better plug.

    Does DVI allow HDCP, though?

    Yes, but it's not widely implemented (HDCP came after DVI, so a lot of DVI devices don't support HDCP). But that's kind of missing the point. Everything that DVI supports, HDMI supports. So if you got some DVI-only device hanging around that you want to plug into an HDMI television, it will work, assuming you have the adapter. That's why I suggested getting a couple, they're good to have available.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

    but hdmi has sound and dvi is video only.

    If he's using the cable to transmit sound, he needs HDMI.

    Essentially HDMI is an extension of the DVI standard with a better plug.

    Does DVI allow HDCP, though?

    Yes, but it's not widely implemented (HDCP came after DVI, so a lot of DVI devices don't support HDCP). But that's kind of missing the point. Everything that DVI supports, HDMI supports. So if you got some DVI-only device hanging around that you want to plug into an HDMI television, it will work, assuming you have the adapter. That's why I suggested getting a couple, they're good to have available.

    I'll give a good example of this, when I bought my PS3 I hooked it up to my old spare monitor via a HDMI->DVI cable adapter. Unfortunately unknown to me the PS3 by default uses HDCP for everything so all I got was a black screen. (my old monitor obviously doesn't support HDCP over DVI) I had to hook it up to my new monitor which supports HDCP.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    What people don't seem to be saying for some reason is that for almost any cable, and especially digital cable such as HDMI, a $2 gives exactly the same quality signal as a $200 one. You can go ahead and buy from Monoprice without worrying that you should have bought into the gold-plated Martian refractors.

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  • CobellCobell Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Essentially, HDMI is a digital standard. So gold plating, fancy cabling, all that stuff doesn't matter, as long as the cable supports the version of HDMI you want it will perform the same. Theoretically, all HDMI cables should be lossless. Practically, there is some signal loss if your cable is very,very long, so go for a cable as long as you need, maybe just a few inches longer, but no more. This really shouldn't be seen by normal users as long as you don't go buying 15+ meter long cables, so don't go get the longest HDMI cable you can find.

    So you want to find the cheapest cable for the HDMI version you want. Monoprice is a good place for this.

    What are HDMI versions? Well each higher version (I believe they're up to 1.4 now) supports more bandwidith, better audio, better visual qualities. Each version (especially 1.3) have different letters like 1.3a, 1.3b, etc, this is just to distinguish manufacturing methods. All 1.3s support the 1.3 standard. Note that these are not the same as different HDMI connectors which also following the letter scheme.

    How do you know what version of HMDI an HDMI cable supports? It should be labeled on the cable itself or be in the product description. If it is not, I would assume it's the base HDMI.

    What version should you get? As high a version as your hardware supports. What does your TV/audio support? It should say in the manuals. I think the latest 1.4 HDMI supports stuff like 3d video and other features that really no one takes advantage of so you won't need it. Don't stress about getting the best, by the time you upgrade your setup any newer version HDMI will be cheap to buy.


    Long story short?
    Buy the cheapest HDMI cable you can find for the version you need. Version 1.3 is going to be the best bet.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Willeth wrote: »
    What people don't seem to be saying for some reason is that for almost any cable, and especially digital cable such as HDMI, a $2 gives exactly the same quality signal as a $200 one. You can go ahead and buy from Monoprice without worrying that you should have bought into the gold-plated Martian refractors.

    It's always funny listening to people justify buying these overpriced cables, when the information is sent digitally there is no need for stupidly expensive cables. The digital signal either gets there or it doesn't, in which case you'll quickly notice it in the video as it has problems decoding the digital video or audio.

    Sort of like my uncle, he is absolutely convinced that wireless digital speakers have less quality than wired analog speakers. No matter what I say he is convinced that his stupidly expensive cabled surround sound setup is far better than any wireless digital one could be, even though the wireless setup is lossless digital and is from a technical standpoint delivering better quality.

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  • AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    And remember that HDMI is just DVI with a different plug.. so scoop up a couple DVI to HDMI adapters while you're getting cables just to have them on hand.

    Early HD cable boxes, for example, will only have DVI and component.

    but hdmi has sound and dvi is video only.

    If he's using the cable to transmit sound, he needs HDMI.

    Essentially HDMI is an extension of the DVI standard with a better plug.

    Does DVI allow HDCP, though?

    Yes, but it's not widely implemented (HDCP came after DVI, so a lot of DVI devices don't support HDCP). But that's kind of missing the point. Everything that DVI supports, HDMI supports. So if you got some DVI-only device hanging around that you want to plug into an HDMI television, it will work, assuming you have the adapter. That's why I suggested getting a couple, they're good to have available.

    I'll give a good example of this, when I bought my PS3 I hooked it up to my old spare monitor via a HDMI->DVI cable adapter. Unfortunately unknown to me the PS3 by default uses HDCP for everything so all I got was a black screen. (my old monitor obviously doesn't support HDCP over DVI) I had to hook it up to my new monitor which supports HDCP.

    On the other hand, I bought a 1080i HD TV/monitor for use in disassociate dorm rooms in university (typing this out on it right now, in fact.) It's only 15 inches and is meant as a space-saver, so it doesn't support a lot of audio options. It uses DVI but does support HDCP; my PS3 talks to it perfectly fine. So it's not impossible, just rare.

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  • jhunter46jhunter46 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    monoprice.com

    /end thread

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  • RuddurBallRuddurBall Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    GrimReaper wrote: »
    Willeth wrote: »
    What people don't seem to be saying for some reason is that for almost any cable, and especially digital cable such as HDMI, a $2 gives exactly the same quality signal as a $200 one. You can go ahead and buy from Monoprice without worrying that you should have bought into the gold-plated Martian refractors.

    It's always funny listening to people justify buying these overpriced cables, when the information is sent digitally there is no need for stupidly expensive cables. The digital signal either gets there or it doesn't, in which case you'll quickly notice it in the video as it has problems decoding the digital video or audio.

    Sort of like my uncle, he is absolutely convinced that wireless digital speakers have less quality than wired analog speakers. No matter what I say he is convinced that his stupidly expensive cabled surround sound setup is far better than any wireless digital one could be, even though the wireless setup is lossless digital and is from a technical standpoint delivering better quality.

    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

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  • xzzyxzzy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    xzzy wrote: »
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

    The signal strength on the cabling has nothing to do with the output quality of the audio as well. Digital is digital, whether it's going across solid gold cabling or a coat hanger.

    EDIT: I always laugh when I read this.

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    monoprice.com

    /end thread
    xzzy wrote: »
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

    Any time some one tells me that vinyl is the best for any reason s OTHER THAN nostalgia, my ears turn off.

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    monoprice.com

    /end thread
    xzzy wrote: »
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

    Any time some one tells me that vinyl is the best for any reason s OTHER THAN nostalgia, my ears turn off.

    But it is, IF you have good equipment. It just isn't a convenient format. We constantly trade quality for convenience.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

    Any time some one tells me that vinyl is the best for any reason s OTHER THAN nostalgia, my ears turn off.

    If analog recordings weren't better, they wouldn't be used in every major recording studio (that knows what they're doing) to this day.

    Sup, evan?

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Evander wrote: »
    xzzy wrote: »
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

    Any time some one tells me that vinyl is the best for any reason s OTHER THAN nostalgia, my ears turn off.

    If analog recordings weren't better, they wouldn't be used in every major recording studio (that knows what they're doing) to this day.

    Sup, evan?

    That's true; you can thank all those decades-old masters that were recorded on tape for the DVD-Audio, SACD, and DTS CDs that are floating around. To be fair, I think we are on the verge of digital audio catching up, though. Those hi-fidelity discs sound pretty good (they just haven't really taken off).

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  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    my old TV had a DVI but not HDMI connection so I tried hooking up my HDMI xbox through a HDMI cable and HDMI>DVI adapter but the Xbox wouldnt display DVD movies due to it not confirming it was a legit connection or something so I just used component.

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  • GrygonosGrygonos Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Vegan wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    monoprice.com

    /end thread
    xzzy wrote: »
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

    Any time some one tells me that vinyl is the best for any reason s OTHER THAN nostalgia, my ears turn off.

    But it is, IF you have good equipment. It just isn't a convenient format. We constantly trade quality for convenience.
    Fail.... does it sound better? maybe... but do you know why? It sounds better due to producing a smoother sound that our ears find appealing. Similar to how composite video shows less jaggies than component... because it can't reproduce the source material as well. In short, we think it sounds better.. and it probably does.. but is producing true to life sound? No, it is not.

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  • AumniAumni Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    So yeah, Monoprice.com Thanks to this thread I got a component switch, a component cable, and ps3 component cable for 23 dollars.

    I mean seriously.

    monoprice.com /thread

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  • KuratosuKuratosu Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Monster Cables.







    Wait, I mean Monoprice yeah that's the one.

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  • GrimmGrimm Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Not only did you guys answer my question, you answered the next one i was going to ask before i could even get a chance to check back here. Thanks everyone. It looks like i'm gonna need something in the 15 - 20 foot range hdmi cable for the laptop and something to let me hook up all my video game systems at once. Between the xbox, xbox 360, nes, snes, n64, gamecube, genesis, dreamcast, dvr and vcr, i ran out of inputs real quick. So if anyone has any suggestions on that subject, it would also be very appreciated.

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  • JelloblimpJelloblimp Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Grimm wrote: »
    Not only did you guys answer my question, you answered the next one i was going to ask before i could even get a chance to check back here. Thanks everyone. It looks like i'm gonna need something in the 15 - 20 foot range hdmi cable for the laptop and something to let me hook up all my video game systems at once. Between the xbox, xbox 360, nes, snes, n64, gamecube, genesis, dreamcast, dvr and vcr, i ran out of inputs real quick. So if anyone has any suggestions on that subject, it would also be very appreciated.
    Universal RF Adapter + an (active) HDMI switch/splitter?

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  • AriviaArivia I Like A Challenge Earth-1Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Grimm wrote: »
    Not only did you guys answer my question, you answered the next one i was going to ask before i could even get a chance to check back here. Thanks everyone. It looks like i'm gonna need something in the 15 - 20 foot range hdmi cable for the laptop and something to let me hook up all my video game systems at once. Between the xbox, xbox 360, nes, snes, n64, gamecube, genesis, dreamcast, dvr and vcr, i ran out of inputs real quick. So if anyone has any suggestions on that subject, it would also be very appreciated.

    Most TVs still have legacy ports - one component, one s-video, one rca/composite. I'd just get a cheap old RCA switch and plug as many things as you can in there - stuff like the NES and VCR that won't automatically upscale. All you might need to worry about then is the 360, gamecube, original Xbox, and DVR. The 360 should go HDMI if yours supports it, otherwise plug it in through component. The Xbox should go component if possible; I don't know about the DVR, but the gamecube should be fine through s-video.

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Grygonos wrote: »
    Vegan wrote: »
    Evander wrote: »
    Lord Jezo wrote: »
    monoprice.com

    /end thread
    xzzy wrote: »
    RuddurBall wrote: »
    A lot of audiophiles don't buy into the loss less digital. They claim (and have backed it up with tests) that analog provides a better signal. So its not the fact that the speakers are wireless, its the fact that they are digital.

    Wait, what? Now we're citing audiophiles as a credible source of information?

    Any time some one tells me that vinyl is the best for any reason s OTHER THAN nostalgia, my ears turn off.

    But it is, IF you have good equipment. It just isn't a convenient format. We constantly trade quality for convenience.
    Fail.... does it sound better? maybe... but do you know why? It sounds better due to producing a smoother sound that our ears find appealing. Similar to how composite video shows less jaggies than component... because it can't reproduce the source material as well. In short, we think it sounds better.. and it probably does.. but is producing true to life sound? No, it is not.

    Isn't the frequency range of analog still better than any digital format we have? Where's your proof that it sounds better because it's worse? That sounds like complete bunk to me.

    Of course it's not producing true to life sound; nothing does, or else we would constantly be fooled by recordings, thinking that what we were hearing was actually in the room. But I don't see CDs or mp3s doing any better.

    But like I said before... Do I sit around listening to records at home? In the car (lol)? At work? No, of course not. It's simply not feasible.

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  • GrimmGrimm Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Arivia wrote: »
    Grimm wrote: »
    Not only did you guys answer my question, you answered the next one i was going to ask before i could even get a chance to check back here. Thanks everyone. It looks like i'm gonna need something in the 15 - 20 foot range hdmi cable for the laptop and something to let me hook up all my video game systems at once. Between the xbox, xbox 360, nes, snes, n64, gamecube, genesis, dreamcast, dvr and vcr, i ran out of inputs real quick. So if anyone has any suggestions on that subject, it would also be very appreciated.

    Most TVs still have legacy ports - one component, one s-video, one rca/composite. I'd just get a cheap old RCA switch and plug as many things as you can in there - stuff like the NES and VCR that won't automatically upscale. All you might need to worry about then is the 360, gamecube, original Xbox, and DVR. The 360 should go HDMI if yours supports it, otherwise plug it in through component. The Xbox should go component if possible; I don't know about the DVR, but the gamecube should be fine through s-video.

    Well i have the black 360 plugged in with an hdmi cable so thats taken care of. For the moment i have the dvr/cable box from atlantic broadband (my isp) connected with coaxel cable. Guess im gonna have call up atlantic and see what it cost to upgrade to a hd box now that i have the tv to handle it. Im gonna need to find a switch to handle the rest of my stuff, not to mention a wii when i have some more disposable cash. I still have one free hdmi port right now.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I still cant beleive the stores like best buy can charge 80 bucks for a fucking HDMI cable while I was able to do a google search and find 2 for 20 cents each on amazon.

    I mean seriously, how do stores get away with that?

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Kai_San wrote: »
    I still cant beleive the stores like best buy can charge 80 bucks for a fucking HDMI cable while I was able to do a google search and find 2 for 20 cents each on amazon.

    I mean seriously, how do stores get away with that?

    Consumer ignorance, and nothing more.

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  • HeraldSHeraldS Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    If you don't mind spending a little money and want your Gamecube to look it's best I highly recommend tracking down composite cables for it. Nintendo discontinued them and took out the port on newer versions of the Gamecube, so make sure yours has a digital out first. You can usually find them on ebay without too much trouble and the upgrade is very noticeable. Of course if you're getting a Wii in the near future it may be overkill, but I found oddly enough that it was easier to hook up the cube to my receiver w/ component than composite due to the available slots and whatnot. You may find the same if it's a new TV/ stereo.

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  • JelloblimpJelloblimp Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Kai_San wrote: »
    I still cant beleive the stores like best buy can charge 80 bucks for a fucking HDMI cable while I was able to do a google search and find 2 for 20 cents each on amazon.

    I mean seriously, how do stores get away with that?
    Pfft, $500 Ethernet cable wants to have a word with you (because at that fucking price it better have evolved into a sentient being).

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Kai_San wrote: »
    I still cant beleive the stores like best buy can charge 80 bucks for a fucking HDMI cable while I was able to do a google search and find 2 for 20 cents each on amazon.

    I mean seriously, how do stores get away with that?

    Monster Cable gives stores lots of money to only carry their cables. Seriously, go to a place like Best Buy and try to find any other brand for sale.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Kai_San wrote: »
    I still cant beleive the stores like best buy can charge 80 bucks for a fucking HDMI cable while I was able to do a google search and find 2 for 20 cents each on amazon.

    I mean seriously, how do stores get away with that?

    They have blast processing.
    bitch

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  • Lord JezoLord Jezo Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Jelloblimp wrote: »
    Kai_San wrote: »
    I still cant beleive the stores like best buy can charge 80 bucks for a fucking HDMI cable while I was able to do a google search and find 2 for 20 cents each on amazon.

    I mean seriously, how do stores get away with that?
    Pfft, $500 Ethernet cable wants to have a word with you (because at that fucking price it better have evolved into a sentient being).

    Wow, that ethernet cord has some of the best reviews of any cable ever, I think I need 17 of them.

    http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

    Lord Jezo on
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