Oh well, that sucks, though I can see the logic. Though I'd imagine creature enchantments that granted shroud would be marginally more useful?
I guess but any mass removal and you're still 2+ for 1. Equipment is generally better due to reusability, although it also tends to be slower. Creature enchantments like, say, Armadillo Cloak back in the day were powerful enough to be worth it (or stuff like Griffin Guide which gives you a replacement creature) but most aren't worth the possible card disadvantage.
I'm not a total believer in the belief that card advantage trumps everything. I totally and understand the card advantage arguments about why 2 for 1's are so bad, but there needs to be some context here. You can't say 2x > 1y as a defininitve statement without any context as to what the cards were or potential of those cards were.
A horribly loaded example would be like saying giant growth sucks in limited because they can 2 for 1 you by playing lightning bolt in response.
I'm not a total believer in the belief that card advantage trumps everything. I totally and understand the card advantage arguments about why 2 for 1's are so bad, but there needs to be some context here. You can't say 2x > 1y as a defininitve statement without any context as to what the cards were or potential of those cards were.
A horribly loaded example would be like saying giant growth sucks in limited because they can 2 for 1 you by playing lightning bolt in response.
Actually, there was a situation in a Pro Tour (or world championship, can't remember) where one player could have giant growthed his creature for the win but read his opponent correctly for the removal spell. So you can play around it.
You are right in a global sense but when we're talking about general rules, card advantage = good. Certain decks don't give a crap about card advantage because they're focused on tempo advantage (which is like creating virtual card advantage because the game doesn't last long enough/the opponent never has a chance to deploy all of their resources). But for the vast majority of situations, getting 2 for 1 is horrid.
Yea generally creature enchants that don't work as an answer to get my damage thru(unblockable, deathtouch or trample or creatures block if able, can't attack or block) or as an answer to keep me(or my guy) alive(lifelink, can't attack or block, shroud, maybe regen if I'm in dire need) don't get used even in limited for me. Now thats not to say I haven't ran unholy strength in ultra agressive black builds in the past.
So I'll be playing M10 for the first time once release events start this week (probably crack my six league packs for a 4 round sealed Thursday or Friday.)
What're the high value cards out of the gate? Like, valuable enough to raredraft (5+ tix maybe? Your threshold may vary.)
I got 14 tix on Monday for a Great Sable Stag I opened. 8 tix for the B/R dual land, 5.75 for the U/W. Garruk was around 6, but I held onto him.
Gazpacho and I just bought a release pack each and will be playing one of the swiss sealed flights tomorrow evening
Yeah, me too. Post when you plan on joining and I'll try to hop in.
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edited August 2009
Okay. Roll call. Last time we had a bunch of cuts week 1, and I don't want to do that, and I want to make sure everyone signed up is at least active on the forum and participating still.
If you want to play in any league events, you need to sign up now, and send me a pm between now and friday confirming that you're still in and for which events. People who don't will just be dropped. Players who were in season 1 and played until the end need not PM me. You have proven your reliability.
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So any clarification for the leagues? Are we locking the block and pauper to single decks or is it cool to switch it up? Picking one of my block decks will be so hard, I like all 3 but if I am forced into one I guess I can.
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Why isn't it tomorrow so I can do some release events?
@ Nisi's Block Question: I didn't plan on making people stick to the same gun week after week, so you can swap however you please, unless a bunch of people have problems with that.
Personally I prefer sticking with one, but if people want to switch I'm not sure it gives them an advantage unless they know their opponents deck, so I guess that works fine.
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edited August 2009
I would like to stress the last line of the roll call post:
Players who were in season 1 and played until the end need not PM me. You have proven your reliability.
I think it would be inconsistent to lock in a deck for league. It's not uncommon for people to make a second build just for a sealed, that they can board into after game 1.
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I would like to stress the last line of the roll call post:
Players who were in season 1 and played until the end need not PM me. You have proven your reliability.
HAHA I so didn't read that part!
You and like two other people. I put that in there because I was like "Do I really want to manage another 30 pms? No." And this seemed like a good way to cut down on pms I didn't need.
I will be very cross if you season 1 bastards fail to show up.
I pmed cause I wanted to make sure my 9th to 16th absence would be OK. Maybe you can set me up with someone before then and we can get our first week games out of the way?
I would like to stress the last line of the roll call post:
Players who were in season 1 and played until the end need not PM me. You have proven your reliability.
HAHA I so didn't read that part!
You and like two other people. I put that in there because I was like "Do I really want to manage another 30 pms? No." And this seemed like a good way to cut down on pms I didn't need.
I will be very cross if you season 1 bastards fail to show up.
I think it would be inconsistent to lock in a deck for league. It's not uncommon for people to make a second build just for a sealed, that they can board into after game 1.
Ah, well this will be my first league So far I've only played in a few tournament events. Though it was in reference to constructed, not sealed, so it is a bit different. You don't have a fixed card pool. I wasn't suggesting removing sideboarding.
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I pmed cause I wanted to make sure my 9th to 16th absence would be OK. Maybe you can set me up with someone before then and we can get our first week games out of the way?
If that someone already has a deck. Hmmmmm. Give me a day or two, I'll have everything set up by friday.
I pmed cause I wanted to make sure my 9th to 16th absence would be OK. Maybe you can set me up with someone before then and we can get our first week games out of the way?
If people get their stuff in fast. I can just pair you against the first person with a like rating. If there's an odd number, I can always just bye you, worst case scenario you take a week 2 loss.
Auto-loss is fine, I probably shouldn't be given a bye though. For some reason thought it was week 1 I would be missing and not week 2.
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I pmed cause I wanted to make sure my 9th to 16th absence would be OK. Maybe you can set me up with someone before then and we can get our first week games out of the way?
If people get their stuff in fast. I can just pair you against the first person with a like rating. If there's an odd number, I can always just bye you, worst case scenario you take a week 2 loss.
Auto-loss is fine, I probably shouldn't be given a bye though. For some reason thought it was week 1 I would be missing and not week 2.
I pmed cause I wanted to make sure my 9th to 16th absence would be OK. Maybe you can set me up with someone before then and we can get our first week games out of the way?
If that someone already has a deck. Hmmmmm. Give me a day or two, I'll have everything set up by friday.
I'll have my deck by then, and could probably play Sat. before Gogo vanishes for a week if it works out that way.
I pmed cause I wanted to make sure my 9th to 16th absence would be OK. Maybe you can set me up with someone before then and we can get our first week games out of the way?
If that someone already has a deck. Hmmmmm. Give me a day or two, I'll have everything set up by friday.
I'll have my deck by then, and could probably play Sat. before Gogo vanishes for a week if it works out that way.
I pmed cause I wanted to make sure my 9th to 16th absence would be OK. Maybe you can set me up with someone before then and we can get our first week games out of the way?
If that someone already has a deck. Hmmmmm. Give me a day or two, I'll have everything set up by friday.
I'll have my deck by then, and could probably play Sat. before Gogo vanishes for a week if it works out that way.
That works for me if it does for Gogo.
Yep. That should be no problem for me. I have a deck ready already, should be ok for week 1 anyways, I can always tinker with it later.
I would like to stress the last line of the roll call post:
Players who were in season 1 and played until the end need not PM me. You have proven your reliability.
I wasn't sure if I was considered playing untill the end as I went out of town the last week
I'm guessing if the internet can't download the "Kicker" that means magic is down for maintenence. Hmmm, when to find a 4 hour block to do a sealed event for my card pool. Late tonight, or early tommorow morning. Decisions, decisions.
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I guess but any mass removal and you're still 2+ for 1. Equipment is generally better due to reusability, although it also tends to be slower. Creature enchantments like, say, Armadillo Cloak back in the day were powerful enough to be worth it (or stuff like Griffin Guide which gives you a replacement creature) but most aren't worth the possible card disadvantage.
A horribly loaded example would be like saying giant growth sucks in limited because they can 2 for 1 you by playing lightning bolt in response.
Actually, there was a situation in a Pro Tour (or world championship, can't remember) where one player could have giant growthed his creature for the win but read his opponent correctly for the removal spell. So you can play around it.
You are right in a global sense but when we're talking about general rules, card advantage = good. Certain decks don't give a crap about card advantage because they're focused on tempo advantage (which is like creating virtual card advantage because the game doesn't last long enough/the opponent never has a chance to deploy all of their resources). But for the vast majority of situations, getting 2 for 1 is horrid.
I got 14 tix on Monday for a Great Sable Stag I opened. 8 tix for the B/R dual land, 5.75 for the U/W. Garruk was around 6, but I held onto him.
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Yeah, me too. Post when you plan on joining and I'll try to hop in.
If you want to play in any league events, you need to sign up now, and send me a pm between now and friday confirming that you're still in and for which events. People who don't will just be dropped. Players who were in season 1 and played until the end need not PM me. You have proven your reliability.
Well fret no more. Draft viewer for last weekend's M10, 1500+ person GP Boston is up! Timesink away!
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HAHA I so didn't read that part!
You and like two other people. I put that in there because I was like "Do I really want to manage another 30 pms? No." And this seemed like a good way to cut down on pms I didn't need.
I will be very cross if you season 1 bastards fail to show up.
I am so not going to show up now....
But not really.
Ah, well this will be my first league
If that someone already has a deck. Hmmmmm. Give me a day or two, I'll have everything set up by friday.
Auto-loss is fine, I probably shouldn't be given a bye though. For some reason thought it was week 1 I would be missing and not week 2.
It is week one, I noticed after I posted.
I'll have my deck by then, and could probably play Sat. before Gogo vanishes for a week if it works out that way.
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That works for me if it does for Gogo.
Yep. That should be no problem for me. I have a deck ready already, should be ok for week 1 anyways, I can always tinker with it later.
I dunno what this means.
Is MTGO even up right now?
I actually haven't even tried logging in.
Yeah..I can't get on. Nevermind.
how can your deck be bad, with crazy your pull was!
I wasn't sure if I was considered playing untill the end as I went out of town the last week
I'm guessing if the internet can't download the "Kicker" that means magic is down for maintenence. Hmmm, when to find a 4 hour block to do a sealed event for my card pool. Late tonight, or early tommorow morning. Decisions, decisions.
It's probably Ant Queen.
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Ant Queen with the magic online promo symbol.
Why the face, Aegis? Promo cards aren't Sealed League legal.
once it's bacak online, I'd be up to try out decks with you, got 4-5 of my own that are all untested and I can't decide which one I like best
edit: oh there getting rid of the $10 coupon for new accounts, you get this instead now:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1224881
double edit: anyway servers back up at 2:00 pm PDT, I'll be on than if anyone wants to try out some m10 decks
Shh I'm trying to be modest. :P
Current make-up is W/U with a splash of black. If it doesn't work well (I'm only running 11 creatures), I'm going to switch over to W/U.
Foomy: Unfortunately I'm working until 10pm EST tonight, but if I'm able to get on tonight, I'll def be up for testing our decks.