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What's the obsession between modders and realism/real-world connections?

SorensonSorenson Registered User regular
edited August 2009 in Games and Technology
One wierd thing that I've noticed in the last few years with games and mods released for said games is that, as the title implies, there seems to be something of a obsessive compulsion for people to try and cram in as many real-world connections and insertions as is possible in the modder's game of choice. Sometimes this is fairly justified - the false names given to the guns used in Stalker, for example - but then again sometimes it really doesn't serve any actual purpose - the innumerable skins and sound packs for Left 4 Dead's weapons, objects, or characters (is it really that important that pills have the Ibuprofin label, that the assault rifle has that slight tinge of grit, and that Louis is wearing a Best Buy/Circuit City uniform?) - and with others still actually detracts from the game - one particularly popular Fallout 3 mod renaming nigh-on every possible weapon and item it can to match up with a real-world counterpart no matter how stupid the result generally looks when taken with Fallout's zeerust 50s styling (I want my Fancy Lad Snack Cakes and AK-112s, not your faggoty Krispy Kreme Donuts and HK G3E3s! emot-argh.gif).

But back on track, what's the deal with this worship of reality and realism in games? Is it really that nessecary that every single aspect of a game somehow match up with every single specification for every single piece of real-world equipment ever created? Is the thought of having to play with equipment and in environments fairly similar to, but worlds apart from, established equipment and environments so terrifying that people can't stand to play until every single gun is an M1911, MP5, M4A1, PSG-1, or a variation of such modeled down to every exact detail?

TL;DR: For some reason a lot of modders love their real-world guns and shit and love nothing more than to stick them in games where they might not or shouldn't belong, so let's talk about this phenomenon and make fun of these gun-humpers.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well maybe for these people it's about bringing the fantasy a bit closer to home... kinda like "How would it be if all that fucked up shit happened in our world??"

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited August 2009
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Well maybe for these people it's about bringing the fantasy a bit closer to home... kinda like "How would it be if all that fucked up shit happened in our world??"

    Yeah, that. The obsession between modders and realism is probably due to an obsession between individual people and realism. I don't think the audience is particularly different from the authors. And I don't think people are refusing to play until it's fixed, they just notice it and either fix it or see a fix and download it.

    I mean, I don't care if stuff's renamed. Especially if it's an alternate reality type of game, such as Fallout 3. But I think it's neat to get it close to how I think it would be. I downloaded an entirely aesthetic mod that made the skies a beautiful blue and clear because hey, that's how it'd be after two hundred years and I think it looks neat. And it helps me get immersed in the world, honestly. I'm planning on installing a mod where there is a lot more plantlife, because again, I think it'd be cool. It's a game either way, but the little things that add realism make it better to me. And I'd assume other people just feel the same way.

    Edit: Upon a second look, you're talking specifically about guns. I still echo my "whatever, up to them" attitude, but I don't understand it either. I mean, it makes sense in semirealistic games set in world war II, but in 2277, in a world with a timeline diverging in the 1900s? A bit weird.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    They do it for the same reason that people put in porn mods in the game. Some have a hard-on for women, others have a hard-on for pointless realism. A few have a hard-on for women who are guns. I don't think modders have put that into Fallout 3 yet.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Modders are obsessed with realism in the same way that game designers are obsessed with unrealism. That is, they aren't. Nobody's obsessed with anything; some people prefer games unrealistic, like you, and some people prefer games realistic, like certain modders. Since all games are unrealistic (due to brand name stuff pretty much) the modders are the ones making the realism mods. If a game came out that just mimicked real life exactly I'm sure you'd get plenty of mods adding fantasy stuff into the game by people like you who enjoy the escapism more than the immersion.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    If a game came out that just mimicked real life exactly I'm sure you'd get plenty of mods adding fantasy stuff into the game by people like you who enjoy the escapism more than the immersion.

    Not exactly the same situation, but The Sims - the devs recognized that hey, real life has only so much you can work with. Every expansion after the original game added slightly crazier elements until you were giving people donkey heads and planting magic beanstalks in your back yard.

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  • Hotlead JunkieHotlead Junkie Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    People in second life pay real life money and change it into ingame money to buy ingame models of ipods and real world fashion acsessories to wear on their avatar.

    Ugh.

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  • joshua1joshua1 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Man, i bought Sims 3 and was terribly disappointed that I didn't get loads of crazy shit for being the best at everything. So disappointed.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The one that killed my interest in modding in general for a while was the Point Defense Mod for Homeworld 2.

    Homeworld 2 was pretty cool looking, and mostly decent, but it was kind of flawed when you looked closely at it. I was all excited that hey, finally something to make me want to play this a bit more, maybe give me more tactical options. It turned out to be THE MOST REALEST and basically reduced combat to turning on the game and leaving. Because it's not realistic that you would give individual commands to vessels.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    It comes from lack of imagination. A modder doesn't have to design the Nike logo from scratch, they just have to copy it and make a skin/model really quickly.

    It is a good way to learn the basic mechanics of modding, from modeling to skins, texture work to full map geometry, by using already pre-designed real world objects as a base. Akin to a still life painting in many ways.

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