So is it just me or is the RR and Quatermaster Magus gear absolute shit? Small bonuses, initiative and intel with minimal wounds and tough. Hmph, not feelin the love! lol
My Magus is R27RR21 and all gear i have is high teens early 20's.
Welcome to what I feel is the heart of the problem for magus I mean don't get me wrong killing the bum with the nerf bat was bad enough but on top of that terrible itemization just kills the class for players.
It wouldnt be so bad if we Magi didnt jump on alts and see great gear. I was just checking out BG set for T1 and T2 and its not half bad. Str, Wounds, Tough and Initiative on a lot of stuff.
Oh Mythic. Here I thought you'd repeat all the mistakes from DaoC, here your making new ones!
The thing is, you should be wearing Devastator (or whatever the PVE equivalent is named). Probably the PvE stuff since your RR is low. The real problem is that there aren't too many options for good gear in the game. Pretty much everyone wears all the same stuff, with the same stats.
Little more info on getting your Devastator, Oddjob:
Farm ORvR for a few nights and you should be able to pick up at least one or two of your gold bag drops (chest/helm/shoulder) and end up with enough medallions to buy the piece(s) left that you can't just buy outright on the aution house for 4-7g each (boots/gloves).
Do that and get your RR up a bit and you'll be fine.
As a warrior priest, is it more efficient to stay in tier 2 as long as I can and get my renown up to parity, or to forge ahead into tier 3 and the increased rate of gain?
Which option will get me renown the quickest?
Furthermore, assume on my server order lose scenarios all the time, and even when we kill them hand over fist, we ignore objectives and still lose. Should I switch to world RVR as in taking keeps and pitched warfare or should I do both? If I'm about to assault a keep and the scenario queue comes up, should I enter?
NONONONONONO. Do not going into T3 until your at the proper rank! Even then the bolster to rank 28 will be pitiful compared to someone actually rank 28 with the gear. Your going to be fodder and SC groups are going to secretly *shake fist* at you for taking the spot of someone who might actually be of the correct level.
I do it al the time when sub tier people come into a tier above them they shouldn't be in.
I'd do as much open world RvR as you can stand (sometimes dealing with PuGs is hard) until you rank out of T2. Once you get to T3 you'll have plenty of time to get your RR back up, and you can go back and buy Oblit gear to wear, since it'll probably be the best available to you.
Well I'm teetering on the brink of rank 21 and I'm also as close to renown rank 16. Is there a way to limit your EXP gains but maximise RR? I'm basically the best tier 2 healer on the entire server and people have invited me to warbands across the entire world map. It's nice to be wanted but I always feel open RVR is a little slow compared to scenarios, or is that just cause you kill ten times as many people but dont get the big numbers in a 6v6 ekrund?
Well, best of the people who aren't obvious twinks.
No, there's no way to stop exp gain. Keep in mind though you're not actually restricted from T2 until you hit 22.
If I were you I'd just queue for T2 scens and own face (unless there's some really hot ORvR going on) until you level out of the teir, then switch to full on ORvR once you hit T3. Your RR will catch up pretty quickly.
In addition, Open RvR is the "worst" way to gain experience, but the fastest way to gain renown. So it's an excellent way to catch up. If you just straight RvR'ed to 22, you'll definatley be at least RR 20 by the time you flip over to 22
As a warrior priest, is it more efficient to stay in tier 2 as long as I can and get my renown up to parity, or to forge ahead into tier 3 and the increased rate of gain?
Which option will get me renown the quickest?
Furthermore, assume on my server order lose scenarios all the time, and even when we kill them hand over fist, we ignore objectives and still lose. Should I switch to world RVR as in taking keeps and pitched warfare or should I do both? If I'm about to assault a keep and the scenario queue comes up, should I enter?
NONONONONONO. Do not going into T3 until your at the proper rank! Even then the bolster to rank 28 will be pitiful compared to someone actually rank 28 with the gear. Your going to be fodder and SC groups are going to secretly *shake fist* at you for taking the spot of someone who might actually be of the correct level.
I do it al the time when sub tier people come into a tier above them they shouldn't be in.
I'd do as much open world RvR as you can stand (sometimes dealing with PuGs is hard) until you rank out of T2. Once you get to T3 you'll have plenty of time to get your RR back up, and you can go back and buy Oblit gear to wear, since it'll probably be the best available to you.
Well I'm teetering on the brink of rank 21 and I'm also as close to renown rank 16. Is there a way to limit your EXP gains but maximise RR? I'm basically the best tier 2 healer on the entire server and people have invited me to warbands across the entire world map. It's nice to be wanted but I always feel open RVR is a little slow compared to scenarios, or is that just cause you kill ten times as many people but dont get the big numbers in a 6v6 ekrund?
Well, best of the people who aren't obvious twinks.
No, there's no way to stop exp gain. Keep in mind though you're not actually restricted from T2 until you hit 22.
If I were you I'd just queue for T2 scens and own face (unless there's some really hot ORvR going on) until you level out of the teir, then switch to full on ORvR once you hit T3. Your RR will catch up pretty quickly.
In addition, Open RvR is the "worst" way to gain experience, but the fastest way to gain renown. So it's an excellent way to catch up. If you just straight RvR'ed to 22, you'll definatley be at least RR 20 by the time you flip over to 22
True, but you would also go insane from trying to orvr all the time. ORVR pugs are not good for ones sanity, I've learned that the hard way.
Just get grouped up with 2-3 other people, then its just a matter of getting the herd to focus on what you want them to focus on.
Trying to practice herding wild cats. Hopefully it helps me in WAR.
From past experience, if you and a friend play a tank/healer duo (and tanks and healers are fairly rare) focus is actually possible. If you are solo, then all the experience in herding wild cats still may not help you.
Just get grouped up with 2-3 other people, then its just a matter of getting the herd to focus on what you want them to focus on.
Trying to practice herding wild cats. Hopefully it helps me in WAR.
From past experience, if you and a friend play a tank/healer duo (and tanks and healers are fairly rare) focus is actually possible. If you are solo, then all the experience in herding wild cats still may not help you.
One of the things I've learned while trying to lead is that sometimes it is better to do the wrong thing instead of nothing at all. Once people start to lose focus its over.
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That's why I don't like to lead groups. I don't want to herd people, I don't particularly care. All I do is walk over to the guy they should be hitting and "/say hit this guy" cos then a bubble pops up that they'll read. It's never failed me.
I also use this if I happen to want to say something important in a pug, because nobody ever reads the chat window. Or that one guy being a "dick" in a dungeon and not listening? /say bubble and they usually go "Oh shit sorry wasn't reading my chat window"
Very few people intentionally ignore others.
It gives a nice braveheart feel to ride up and down with a horse in front of a warband telling them the plan once you get inside the keep. Hehe.
I remember once I did it to make a small group focus on the lowest level wp in a duo of wps while we were in the middle of the loooooong grind of killing them. They both went down.
Other than those small touches of "I can be bothered" I usually can't.
I do listen to others commands though, as I do scan the chat window constantly.
Oh and if you are a tank /tell the person you are guarding and make a note of their response. Sometimes they're really grateful, I had an awesome little shaman healer buddy in the pug I did last night, he was right behind me on his wolf no matter where i went. Makes life a lot easier. Cos really, if you see a healer doing his job, it usually means he's a competent person with an insight and an interest in helping others.
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i think the trick is that youse guys are talking about rank 20+. I'm down in the T1/T2 bracket. These cats I am herding are wild untrained with the attention span of... spoon.
I tried to get a small WB to leave Chaos/Empire T1 and go to Orcs and Orcs to farm the RP from taking BO's since order wouldnt come out to play. Half went to elf instead and cried we should go there when theres only 1 BO. Instead of 4.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa...?.... is pretty much what I do after that point! lol
Theres no leading in t1. Noone gives a damn about t1, they just make characters to kill people. Nothing coordinated happens untill t2, where its easy enough to herd them in a general direction.
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I defer to corrigan here.
When have you ever seen me defer to someone when it involves psychology?
Exactly, and its because he knows his shit. Don't bother with t1 oddjob.
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When have you ever seen me defer to someone when it involves psychology?
Exactly, and its because he knows his shit. Don't bother with t1 oddjob.
Damn you T1! Damn yoooooou!
Now to get my BG to T2. And my Squigy. Damnit. Damnit all to hell!
Actually trying to herd cats in T3 with my magus is hard too. Show up at a keep, BW phasers set to raep, /die /res /die /res /die /res /die. Good times man, good times.
I've actually started playing again, and wouldn't mind a little coordinated RvR action in T!. Got a rank 6 Black Orc named Trakrash and a Rank 5 Choppa named Traklash.
Speaking of bright wizards, everyone complains about them, but no sorcs are specced for AoE...even though they can do the same damn things wizards can. :x
Speaking of bright wizards, everyone complains about them, but no sorcs are specced for AoE...even though they can do the same damn things wizards can. :x
But they can't spec for AoE damage because they're single target.. and bright wizard bomb groups are OP!
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3 of the tactics bw bomb groups use are shared with sorc. The last is usually wildfire (bw) or infernal gift (sorc).
I would totally take a sorc aoe bomber, guard him, run in debuffing enemy resistances, toughness and healing, and the enemy would fucking die.
Nobody ever wants to do this because "they just can't".
Fucking try it a few times, give it a real go at trying to make it work. Then come back and tell me you know everything about something you haven't done. There are definitely some things about this game that are favourable to one side or another, but there is a hell of a lot more giving up and making excuses going on than is appropriate. As a person who loves figuring out class synergies and tactics, it really irritates me when people do this.
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3 of the tactics bw bomb groups use are shared with sorc. The last is usually wildfire (bw) or infernal gift (sorc).
I would totally take a sorc aoe bomber, guard him, run in debuffing enemy resistances, toughness and healing, and the enemy would fucking die.
Nobody ever wants to do this because "they just can't".
Fucking try it a few times, give it a real go at trying to make it work. Then come back and tell me you know everything about something you haven't done. There are definitely some things about this game that are favourable to one side or another, but there is a hell of a lot more giving up and making excuses going on than is appropriate. As a person who loves figuring out class synergies and tactics, it really irritates me when people do this.
I can totally respec ae. But it doesnt seem to be that viable with only one sorc doing it.
3 of the tactics bw bomb groups use are shared with sorc. The last is usually wildfire (bw) or infernal gift (sorc).
I would totally take a sorc aoe bomber, guard him, run in debuffing enemy resistances, toughness and healing, and the enemy would fucking die.
Nobody ever wants to do this because "they just can't".
Fucking try it a few times, give it a real go at trying to make it work. Then come back and tell me you know everything about something you haven't done. There are definitely some things about this game that are favourable to one side or another, but there is a hell of a lot more giving up and making excuses going on than is appropriate. As a person who loves figuring out class synergies and tactics, it really irritates me when people do this.
I can totally respec ae. But it doesnt seem to be that viable with only one sorc doing it.
No, and therein lies the problem. You want at least 3 doing it.
3 of the tactics bw bomb groups use are shared with sorc. The last is usually wildfire (bw) or infernal gift (sorc).
I would totally take a sorc aoe bomber, guard him, run in debuffing enemy resistances, toughness and healing, and the enemy would fucking die.
Nobody ever wants to do this because "they just can't".
Fucking try it a few times, give it a real go at trying to make it work. Then come back and tell me you know everything about something you haven't done. There are definitely some things about this game that are favourable to one side or another, but there is a hell of a lot more giving up and making excuses going on than is appropriate. As a person who loves figuring out class synergies and tactics, it really irritates me when people do this.
I definitely know how you feel.
It's a bit frustrating when people write off possibilities for making a group work, because one person really can't know everybody's perspectives on stuff. I mean, I'd like to communicate and try to get a working setup but so far nobody seems interested in even trying. I think a chosen guarding one bombing sorc running the wounds debuff, resistance debuff, and healing debuff with a black orc using the stat stealing bellow and using Big Swing with the snare/disorient tactic guarding another sorc would be disgustingly effective as long as they moved together, but I can't really get the sorcs perspective or try it at all.
I mean, I don't even mind that they just want to play the game a certain way. It's the complaining about whatever the group is doing being OP when they lose to groups that are willing to coordinate that really bothers me.
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edited August 2009
The shaman outside the group could throw sticky feetz near the sorcs as well, since it has 100ft range, 20ft 60% snare aoe. It's a common defensive tactic spec.
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Speaking of bright wizards, everyone complains about them, but no sorcs are specced for AoE...even though they can do the same damn things wizards can. :x
The problem is that BW's have 3-4 damage procs that can proc off their aoe, while sorcs have 1-2.
BW: Funnel Power, Flames of Rhuin, Wildfire, and Explosive force
Sorc: Frozen touch (same as flames of rhuin) can use tactic to increase proc rate, Piercing shadows (same as explosive force)
not to mention the unbreakable knight of the blazing sun m2 root which comes immediately after their 3s knockdown which is not mirrored on any destro class.
3 of the tactics bw bomb groups use are shared with sorc. The last is usually wildfire (bw) or infernal gift (sorc).
I would totally take a sorc aoe bomber, guard him, run in debuffing enemy resistances, toughness and healing, and the enemy would fucking die.
Nobody ever wants to do this because "they just can't".
Fucking try it a few times, give it a real go at trying to make it work. Then come back and tell me you know everything about something you haven't done. There are definitely some things about this game that are favourable to one side or another, but there is a hell of a lot more giving up and making excuses going on than is appropriate. As a person who loves figuring out class synergies and tactics, it really irritates me when people do this.
I can totally respec ae. But it doesnt seem to be that viable with only one sorc doing it.
Unless something has changed dramatically you also don't have the gear or the RRs.
Keep in mind the BWs bomb groups that are actually effective include a BW who is late 60s, a tank who is RR55+ and healers that are at least in their 50s all of which are geared with LV level stuff, usually mixing LV with either Warlord or at least Invader.
Most effective one I've seen running around is BW, BW, KotBS/SM, Archmage, WP, and then either a Hunter spec'd WL or another WP. And that's the one we were able to consistantly wipe with DoK, Zealot, 2 Marauders, BG and a Blorc.
I'd respec Blackhook to AoE for a bomb group, but since I'm only rank 30 I won't be that effective. Need some leveling love, I can't bring myself to quest anymore.
The problem is that BW's have 3-4 damage procs that can proc off their aoe, while sorcs have 1-2.
BW: Funnel Power, Flames of Rhuin, Wildfire, and Explosive force
Sorc: Frozen touch (same as flames of rhuin) can use tactic to increase proc rate, Piercing shadows (same as explosive force)
not to mention the unbreakable knight of the blazing sun m2 root which comes immediately after their 3s knockdown which is not mirrored on any destro class.
Sorc bomb groups can be just as effective as BW ones though, spoken as somebody who has been on the receiving end of both.
The shaman outside the group could throw sticky feetz near the sorcs as well, since it has 100ft range, 20ft 60% snare aoe. It's a common defensive tactic spec.
It also has a -80 initiative debuff - which makes a big difference for a bomb group. :P
So, im DLing the trial to this now. Used to play SWG, CoV, Lotro and WoW.
Any class suggestions? Im usually a hybrid fan. I liked Druid/Paladin in WoW, just for the versatility. That and the stealthing option for druids was always fun. Being the guy with awesome buffs who could also fight was fun too. Had good times as a Champion in Lotro.
Closest thing to a real hybrid you'll find is a Warrior Priest/Disciple of Khaine (melee/healing) so I guess if you're planning on playing with The Six Mouths I'd suggest a DoK.
Really though what I suggest is playing a few different classes to late T1 to get a decent feel for them. It takes about 4-5 hours on average to hit 11. Less if you know what you're doing and more if you have no clue. But by 11 you should know if you like the class or not. And don't get discouraged if you feel weak by mid T1, some of the classes don't really get decent until late T1.
Shaman/Archmage are also hybrid classes, and Zeolot/Runepriest are theoretically. If you go with a WP/DoK, and try melee healing, should be aware that you will be useless for all of t4 in that role, until you hit rank 40 and get high end rvr gear. The main problem that WP/DoKs have, that Shaman/Archmages don't is that the "healing" part of the melee/healing description is entirely dependent on damage done. So if you are hitting a guarded target, a shielded target, or a target with high armor and aren't dealing damage, you aren't healing and are basically about to die. You also can't heal through the sort of AoE damage that BW/Sorc bomb groups do, which is a problem for all melee, really. Melee isn't actually as good at melee as casters, in t4.
You'll still completely dominate the lower tiers when you are at the top of them, though, which makes it all worth it. Especially in t1, where you can take on 3 to 1 odds and win.
second question, my wife used to play WoW with me. How casual friendly is this? She wasnt even a fan of dungeons really, unless it was with a small group of close friends. Too much bickering and epeen measuring in PUGs. She just liked questing and beating crap up. With the PvP/RvR emphasis in this, how out of place would she be?
How casual friendly is this? With the PvP/RvR emphasis in this, how out of place would she be?
I am a very casual gamer. It took me forever to get to Tier 4. With that said, I really enjoyed Tier 1 through 3. When I hit Tier 4, I became bored out of my mind because there was no good end game content for casual players.
Try to join a server that actually has people playing in Tier 1 through 3. If you do, you'll really enjoy the public quests.
How casual friendly is this? With the PvP/RvR emphasis in this, how out of place would she be?
I am a very casual gamer. It took me forever to get to Tier 4. With that said, I really enjoyed Tier 1 through 3. When I hit Tier 4, I became bored out of my mind because there was no good end game content for casual players.
Try to join a server that actually has people playing in Tier 1 through 3. If you do, you'll really enjoy the public quests.
ORVR is pretty friendly, just find the zerg and roll with it.
How casual friendly is this? With the PvP/RvR emphasis in this, how out of place would she be?
I am a very casual gamer. It took me forever to get to Tier 4. With that said, I really enjoyed Tier 1 through 3. When I hit Tier 4, I became bored out of my mind because there was no good end game content for casual players.
Try to join a server that actually has people playing in Tier 1 through 3. If you do, you'll really enjoy the public quests.
ORVR is pretty friendly, just find the zerg and roll with it.
T4 is pretty much fine on all servers. There will always be people to zerg with, becuase it's endgame, that's what they do. So it's fairly pickup friendly. As long as you enjoy being part of the cat herd.
T1 through T-3 vary wildly depending on server population. You can crush the other sides soul in the lower tier's to a point where they don't even bother with large scale RvR for weekes depending on if you have the higher pop or not.
The problem is that BW's have 3-4 damage procs that can proc off their aoe, while sorcs have 1-2.
BW: Funnel Power, Flames of Rhuin, Wildfire, and Explosive force
Sorc: Frozen touch (same as flames of rhuin) can use tactic to increase proc rate, Piercing shadows (same as explosive force)
not to mention the unbreakable knight of the blazing sun m2 root which comes immediately after their 3s knockdown which is not mirrored on any destro class.
Sorc bomb groups can be just as effective as BW ones though, spoken as somebody who has been on the receiving end of both.
These things don't make as big a difference as you think. In particular, funnel power hits the bw every time he hits someone else, so it's counteracting healing on him.
They don't have room in their spec for wildfire and explosive force.
The sorc has a 7 second unbreakable no immunity root as their aoe tree morale 4, s well as a 200morale on crit tactic to get it faster than a knight can get his morale 2. But "bw >>>> sorcs at aoe" which is why you never see it.
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Is it just me or is Destro on Iron Rock really lacking in RDPS in tier 2 and 3? We can hardly ever drop the oil.
Makes me want to play a Squiggy. Another alt.
I think this depends on the time you play and what you define as lacking. This Saturday I was in a 12-14 man group that had something like 6 ranged (4 Sorc, 2 SH). Also had 1 dps specced shaman but he was trying to heal so I'm not sure if he counts as ranged or not.
second question, my wife used to play WoW with me. How casual friendly is this? She wasnt even a fan of dungeons really, unless it was with a small group of close friends. Too much bickering and epeen measuring in PUGs. She just liked questing and beating crap up. With the PvP/RvR emphasis in this, how out of place would she be?
I'd say it's casual friendly. It's very easy to log on and do a few scenarios or hop into an ORvR warband for a little while.
For the dungeons/instances up to LV you're looking at no more than an hour to finish one unless something goes seriously wrong. For Lost Vale you're looking at 2.5-6 hours however you have five days to finish it and once you kill a boss everything you killed up to and including that boss stays dead for the whole 5 day timer so it's pretty easy to break up into smaller parts. Our late night group generally did it in three sections consisting of a little over an hour each.
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The thing is, you should be wearing Devastator (or whatever the PVE equivalent is named). Probably the PvE stuff since your RR is low. The real problem is that there aren't too many options for good gear in the game. Pretty much everyone wears all the same stuff, with the same stats.
Farm ORvR for a few nights and you should be able to pick up at least one or two of your gold bag drops (chest/helm/shoulder) and end up with enough medallions to buy the piece(s) left that you can't just buy outright on the aution house for 4-7g each (boots/gloves).
Do that and get your RR up a bit and you'll be fine.
In addition, Open RvR is the "worst" way to gain experience, but the fastest way to gain renown. So it's an excellent way to catch up. If you just straight RvR'ed to 22, you'll definatley be at least RR 20 by the time you flip over to 22
True, but you would also go insane from trying to orvr all the time. ORVR pugs are not good for ones sanity, I've learned that the hard way.
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Trying to practice herding wild cats. Hopefully it helps me in WAR.
From past experience, if you and a friend play a tank/healer duo (and tanks and healers are fairly rare) focus is actually possible. If you are solo, then all the experience in herding wild cats still may not help you.
One of the things I've learned while trying to lead is that sometimes it is better to do the wrong thing instead of nothing at all. Once people start to lose focus its over.
I also use this if I happen to want to say something important in a pug, because nobody ever reads the chat window. Or that one guy being a "dick" in a dungeon and not listening? /say bubble and they usually go "Oh shit sorry wasn't reading my chat window"
Very few people intentionally ignore others.
It gives a nice braveheart feel to ride up and down with a horse in front of a warband telling them the plan once you get inside the keep. Hehe.
I remember once I did it to make a small group focus on the lowest level wp in a duo of wps while we were in the middle of the loooooong grind of killing them. They both went down.
Other than those small touches of "I can be bothered" I usually can't.
I do listen to others commands though, as I do scan the chat window constantly.
Oh and if you are a tank /tell the person you are guarding and make a note of their response. Sometimes they're really grateful, I had an awesome little shaman healer buddy in the pug I did last night, he was right behind me on his wolf no matter where i went. Makes life a lot easier. Cos really, if you see a healer doing his job, it usually means he's a competent person with an insight and an interest in helping others.
I tried to get a small WB to leave Chaos/Empire T1 and go to Orcs and Orcs to farm the RP from taking BO's since order wouldnt come out to play. Half went to elf instead and cried we should go there when theres only 1 BO. Instead of 4.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa...?.... is pretty much what I do after that point! lol
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When have you ever seen me defer to someone when it involves psychology?
Exactly, and its because he knows his shit. Don't bother with t1 oddjob.
Damn you T1! Damn yoooooou!
Now to get my BG to T2. And my Squigy. Damnit. Damnit all to hell!
Actually trying to herd cats in T3 with my magus is hard too. Show up at a keep, BW phasers set to raep, /die /res /die /res /die /res /die. Good times man, good times.
But they can't spec for AoE damage because they're single target.. and bright wizard bomb groups are OP!
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I would totally take a sorc aoe bomber, guard him, run in debuffing enemy resistances, toughness and healing, and the enemy would fucking die.
Nobody ever wants to do this because "they just can't".
Fucking try it a few times, give it a real go at trying to make it work. Then come back and tell me you know everything about something you haven't done. There are definitely some things about this game that are favourable to one side or another, but there is a hell of a lot more giving up and making excuses going on than is appropriate. As a person who loves figuring out class synergies and tactics, it really irritates me when people do this.
I can totally respec ae. But it doesnt seem to be that viable with only one sorc doing it.
No, and therein lies the problem. You want at least 3 doing it.
I definitely know how you feel.
It's a bit frustrating when people write off possibilities for making a group work, because one person really can't know everybody's perspectives on stuff. I mean, I'd like to communicate and try to get a working setup but so far nobody seems interested in even trying. I think a chosen guarding one bombing sorc running the wounds debuff, resistance debuff, and healing debuff with a black orc using the stat stealing bellow and using Big Swing with the snare/disorient tactic guarding another sorc would be disgustingly effective as long as they moved together, but I can't really get the sorcs perspective or try it at all.
I mean, I don't even mind that they just want to play the game a certain way. It's the complaining about whatever the group is doing being OP when they lose to groups that are willing to coordinate that really bothers me.
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The problem is that BW's have 3-4 damage procs that can proc off their aoe, while sorcs have 1-2.
BW: Funnel Power, Flames of Rhuin, Wildfire, and Explosive force
Sorc: Frozen touch (same as flames of rhuin) can use tactic to increase proc rate, Piercing shadows (same as explosive force)
not to mention the unbreakable knight of the blazing sun m2 root which comes immediately after their 3s knockdown which is not mirrored on any destro class.
Unless something has changed dramatically you also don't have the gear or the RRs.
Keep in mind the BWs bomb groups that are actually effective include a BW who is late 60s, a tank who is RR55+ and healers that are at least in their 50s all of which are geared with LV level stuff, usually mixing LV with either Warlord or at least Invader.
Most effective one I've seen running around is BW, BW, KotBS/SM, Archmage, WP, and then either a Hunter spec'd WL or another WP. And that's the one we were able to consistantly wipe with DoK, Zealot, 2 Marauders, BG and a Blorc.
Sorc bomb groups can be just as effective as BW ones though, spoken as somebody who has been on the receiving end of both.
Steam: Drokmir
It also has a -80 initiative debuff - which makes a big difference for a bomb group. :P
Any class suggestions? Im usually a hybrid fan. I liked Druid/Paladin in WoW, just for the versatility. That and the stealthing option for druids was always fun. Being the guy with awesome buffs who could also fight was fun too. Had good times as a Champion in Lotro.
Anything else I need to know?
Really though what I suggest is playing a few different classes to late T1 to get a decent feel for them. It takes about 4-5 hours on average to hit 11. Less if you know what you're doing and more if you have no clue. But by 11 you should know if you like the class or not. And don't get discouraged if you feel weak by mid T1, some of the classes don't really get decent until late T1.
You'll still completely dominate the lower tiers when you are at the top of them, though, which makes it all worth it. Especially in t1, where you can take on 3 to 1 odds and win.
Try to join a server that actually has people playing in Tier 1 through 3. If you do, you'll really enjoy the public quests.
ORVR is pretty friendly, just find the zerg and roll with it.
MWO: Adamski
T4 is pretty much fine on all servers. There will always be people to zerg with, becuase it's endgame, that's what they do. So it's fairly pickup friendly. As long as you enjoy being part of the cat herd.
T1 through T-3 vary wildly depending on server population. You can crush the other sides soul in the lower tier's to a point where they don't even bother with large scale RvR for weekes depending on if you have the higher pop or not.
that said, going from a marauder to a rank 20 SH with almost 500 ballistics in tier two is a breath of fresh air.
alt r us, I think as long as you actually play them from time to time
Unless we want the light guild mounts I guess.
Makes me want to play a Squiggy.
These things don't make as big a difference as you think. In particular, funnel power hits the bw every time he hits someone else, so it's counteracting healing on him.
They don't have room in their spec for wildfire and explosive force.
The sorc has a 7 second unbreakable no immunity root as their aoe tree morale 4, s well as a 200morale on crit tactic to get it faster than a knight can get his morale 2. But "bw >>>> sorcs at aoe" which is why you never see it.
I think this depends on the time you play and what you define as lacking. This Saturday I was in a 12-14 man group that had something like 6 ranged (4 Sorc, 2 SH). Also had 1 dps specced shaman but he was trying to heal so I'm not sure if he counts as ranged or not.
Thing you have to keep in mind is how many people are on which class in what tier is largely going to be different every single time you log on. :P
I'd say it's casual friendly. It's very easy to log on and do a few scenarios or hop into an ORvR warband for a little while.
For the dungeons/instances up to LV you're looking at no more than an hour to finish one unless something goes seriously wrong. For Lost Vale you're looking at 2.5-6 hours however you have five days to finish it and once you kill a boss everything you killed up to and including that boss stays dead for the whole 5 day timer so it's pretty easy to break up into smaller parts. Our late night group generally did it in three sections consisting of a little over an hour each.