BloodshedI smoke my friendsDown to the FilterRegistered Userregular
edited August 2009
You can make changes without destroying or removing things entirely. Molten Core could still be there, but perhaps it will look different, giving us a reason to visit it again, eh?
I thought they said NO to blood elf warriors and gnome healers before several times
If they phase the new content allowing people to still do vanilla wow then at 78ish it phases into the mess that is understandable but I think a pain in the ass to do
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Point to me where Boubouille has specifically stated he has never been wrong before. He says full up that nothing posted is confirmed but that the sources have been reliable in the past. If the information is wrong, then his list of reliable sources is that much shorter.
You two seem a tad bitter that he dare posts a bit of rumor-mongering.
I know that a lot of people will love to argue with that over hundreds of replies. I would just like to add that it usually takes a lot to make me post something on the front page and I don't think I've ever been wrong everytime I did. Hopefully Blizzard will react fast enough and add tons of new masks in the next build just to pretend that it was intended. (Suggestion: Pandarens please)
I joked about that in the original post but I didn't realize that Blizzard would actually add new masks in the next build just to create some confusion. Oh well, new Halloween masks have been added to the game in addition to the Goblins and Worgens masks from the previous build.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited August 2009
The already existing content took them two weeks and a box of crackerjacks to make.
I wouldn't mind if they revamped it because it's shit. It's not like they are polishing a turd, they'd replaceit with some not turd like material.
As someone who just did the 50-58 grind on a warrior for the third time since release, I can say this in full confidence: Fuck the fucking old world fucking quests and the high fucking horse they fucked their way in on.
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Heh, I didn't see this discuss, but the new class is going to be the Mohawk!
There are also a bunch of ... Mohawk related spells.
Silence Fool - Pummels an enemy for 15 damage and interrupts the spell being cast for 5 sec.
Pity the Fool - Reduces the melee attack power of nearby enemies for 30 sec.
Maximum Mohawk - Only one Night Elf Mohawk may assist a group at a time.
Create Mohawk Grenade - Right Click to throw and pity some fools!
All very NPCish :P
How many NPCs right-click?
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
You can make changes without destroying or removing things entirely. Molten Core could still be there, but perhaps it will look different, giving us a reason to visit it again, eh?
Except the SA post made talk about shorelines changing, places being completely destroyed, and some flooded. How do you do Thousand Needles quests when the place is underwater?
You can make changes without destroying or removing things entirely. Molten Core could still be there, but perhaps it will look different, giving us a reason to visit it again, eh?
Except the SA post made talk about shorelines changing, places being completely destroyed, and some flooded. How do you do Thousand Needles quests when the place is underwater?
New quests?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited August 2009
I would think it assumed that underwater mounts/content were going to be a, you know, 'thing' with the Cataclysm, assuming that all the asshoels are correct in divining the future from [Animal Bones]
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edited August 2009
You guys are really optimistic and hopeful about this.
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Der Waffle MousBlame this on the misfortune of your birth.New Yark, New Yark.Registered Userregular
You can make changes without destroying or removing things entirely. Molten Core could still be there, but perhaps it will look different, giving us a reason to visit it again, eh?
Except the SA post made talk about shorelines changing, places being completely destroyed, and some flooded. How do you do Thousand Needles quests when the place is underwater?
New quests?
Psh.
They can't write new quests unless they do a new game.
We already know that blizzard is working on a new next-gen MMO as we speak.
I honestly don't think they plan on doing WoW 2.
At least not anytime soon. Once the subscriber base for the current game starts to dip significantly you can probably count on them ramping plans up for an official sequel, but they'll bleed this horse dry for sure. And that's not to say that WoW and WoW 2 won't co-exist, I'm sure (if they do WoW 2) they will.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited August 2009
If WoW 2 isn't a single player game that cannonizes the adventures of one disgruntled Tauren Space Marine and his disgruntled Murlock Sidekick, then I will run through Paris naked on a giraffe.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
You can make changes without destroying or removing things entirely. Molten Core could still be there, but perhaps it will look different, giving us a reason to visit it again, eh?
Except the SA post made talk about shorelines changing, places being completely destroyed, and some flooded. How do you do Thousand Needles quests when the place is underwater?
New quests?
Psh.
They can't write new quests unless they do a new game.
Technical limitations, y'see.
*puffs corncob pipe*
I dunno. WoW's development was a long one before it came out. Yeah the old content is shitty, and it was vamped up enough to where previous group stuff was made soloable, and some quest rewards and dungeon drops made more significant, and experience gains are higher and requirements lower... the content is still shitty, but it's still there. I don't know how many original designers are still on board, but I'm willing to be plenty of them don't want the work they already did thrown the hell out.
Now, that's my response addressing out-right changing the old world. If they do it via phasing I'm fine with that. The only concern I would have with it is that areas that include phasing, which in this case would be the entire old world, take a bit more PC oomph to run. Unless they outright make the post-cataclysmic world a new continent-like server (like they did for TBC stuff and WotLK stuff).
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OtakuD00DCan I hit the exploding rocks?San DiegoRegistered Userregular
You guys are really optimistic and hopeful about this.
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN
In all seriousness though, a lot of us have always asked to get the old world revamped for a long time. We're apparently, most likely, hopefully finally getting it. It's a time for celebration! Breaking the mold and completely changing the static, persistent MMO world!
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited August 2009
Phasing would be an interesting concept to apply to such a world.
1-55 you see world A.
Then 78-85 you see world B.
And there are no more gankers in Tarren Mill ever again.
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I never said anything about next-gen necessarily. How do you change the current old-world content without fucking it up entirely for current old-world characters?
If they wanted to, I guess they could introduce a shitton of phasing. But areas that have phasing enabled tend to be more of a drag on system resources.
That's kind of the point, isn't it? Re-Vamp old area's....physically change the surface of Azeroth.
Besides, consider the fucking badass Live Event they could have.....
So you're in favor of them destroying already-existing content in the game which took them years to make?
It's old and busted and needs to be revamped. An expansion is the perfect time to revamp ALL of it...the zones, the quests, get it working with flying mounts, etc. Sometimes sacrifices must be made for the greater good....
Doing such a radical change serves a couple purposes....it renews interest in the game and draws in more people who stick around because it's the new hotness. They can apply everything they've learned about zone layout and quest design since it was first created. This is a good thing.
I personally don't believe that content expires and becomes unfun simply because it has existed long enough that most everyone has seen it, but Blizzard's opinion (probably by extension of the majority of the player base) is that it does.
I would prefer to see the existing world fixed up and brought to the standards of WotLK without being changed dramatically, but that's because I find leveling, not sitting at the level cap, to be the best part of the game. It's fun every time, primarily because of my familiarity with the content; I look forward to certain quests or certain areas, and enjoy reflecting on how challenging it was in the past versus the present. If the entire world was to change drastically, certainly I could adapt by becoming familiar with the new content (just as I do in each expansion), but I'd really rather they didn't completely replace something I'm fond of. Upgrade it? Sure. Make it less shitty. But totally replace it? Hm.
I realize that most people feel the opposite way.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
I personally don't believe that content expires and becomes unfun simply because it has existed long enough that most everyone has seen it, but Blizzard's opinion (probably by extension of the majority of the player base) is that it does.
I would prefer to see the existing world fixed up and brought to the standards of WotLK without being changed dramatically, but that's because I find leveling, not sitting at the level cap, to be the best part of the game. It's fun every time, primarily because of my familiarity with the content; I look forward to certain quests or certain areas, and enjoy reflecting on how challenging it was in the past versus the present. If the entire world was to change drastically, certainly I could adapt by becoming familiar with the new content (just as I do in each expansion), but I'd really rather they didn't completely replace something I'm fond of.
I realize that most people feel the opposite way.
Like someone else said before, phasing. I don't think they're going to remove all those old quests, just because the headache it would bring to the "Complete X Quests" achievements, they're not going to add 1 quest for every quest they remove, I would assume. If they do completely replace/revamp a zone, it would be some place like Azshara, as was suggested, because nobody goes there anymore, anyway.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
But doing all the crap with the old world would take nearly as much effort as simply making something new.
They spent an expansion designing the Outland continent, they spent an expansion designing the Northrend continent, so if they wanted to spend an expansion making the original two continents be the place you hung out in at level cap, they could spend an expansion designing that.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
But doing all the crap with the old world would take nearly as much effort as simply making something new.
Consider this: New people buy WoW. New people play WoW. What do new people have to play through first?
That's right. Ass and balls. Ass and balls. Not the best PR strategy there. "Get through the ass, and quite a number of balls, then you can get to the fun content!" I don't disagree that leveling can be fun and exciting, but what isn't fun is trying to catch up in levels while you are getting over some basic gameplay humps (late 40s, early to mid 50s come to mind).
As far as I can tell, revamping the old content with brand new content is a great way to both atract new players and to add replay value for the old players to get 'readdicted' to the game by playing new characteres and going through the grind/level/gear process all over again.
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It makes me the guy saying "hold your horses guys" and not getting my expectations up much. Nor am I going to build my expectations up based on "reliable sources."
Especially since I'm not trying to weasel myself out of some conjecture that I put forth as truth.
Just because you were objectively wrong doesn't mean you should passively aggressively lash out!
I don't think that means what you think it means.
You are being a dick. Assertive.
Someone here is being a dick. Passive.
Nothing passive about it. You two ARE being assholes for really no reason besides some seething jealousy. I just find it funny that you are being arrogant dicks in response to your perception of someone being an arrogant dick.
It's pre-con hype, a bit of possible leaks and really just some possibilities to chew on before we get the real news. If you don't like, then ignore it.
It makes me the guy saying "hold your horses guys" and not getting my expectations up much. Nor am I going to build my expectations up based on "reliable sources."
Then post multiple instances of Bou being wrong. There's nothing dickish about looking back and saying "Hey, I think my track record is perfect so far." Instead you guys are just taking pot shots at him and acting as if that's proper skeptical behavior. It's just being rude and adding nothing to the conversation.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
edited August 2009
Jealousy? Of what exactly? That's an extremely odd thing to say.
I'm questioning rumors, and also questioning why people are touting rumors as fact. If you're accusing me of being jealous of something, it must be how people are able to have their head in the clouds and not considering the alternative; that they're wrong. Maybe.
They're not fact, but it is fun to consider the possibilities. We got the same kind of stuff come Wrath.
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Der Waffle MousBlame this on the misfortune of your birth.New Yark, New Yark.Registered Userregular
edited August 2009
My very first character being a Blood Elf (and Dranei to a slightly lesser extent) was an incredibly disappointing experience.
20 levels of some good stuff, and then another 40 levels of terrible-to-mediocre crap. I think the only reason I continued on in spite of this was because it went by in about three weeks with the Refer-A-Friend XP boost.
I know that a lot of people will love to argue with that over hundreds of replies. I would just like to add that it usually takes a lot to make me post something on the front page and I don't think I've ever been wrong everytime I did. Hopefully Blizzard will react fast enough and add tons of new masks in the next build just to pretend that it was intended. (Suggestion: Pandarens please)
So what was that you said about your reading comprehension?
"I've not been wrong everytime." is not "I've not been wrong."
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited August 2009
I'm not being an asshole, I'm just remarking that the guy is a bit of a tool for throwing down the "I'm never wrong" card like it means something. I want him to be wrong because he is obnoxious, but at the same time I'm able to speculate as if he were correct.
Besides, you're the one who got uppity and challenged the authority for his asshole behavior asking for a direct quote! Sheesh Mr. Kettle.
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I know that a lot of people will love to argue with that over hundreds of replies. I would just like to add that it usually takes a lot to make me post something on the front page and I don't think I've ever been wrong everytime I did. Hopefully Blizzard will react fast enough and add tons of new masks in the next build just to pretend that it was intended. (Suggestion: Pandarens please)
So what was that you said about your reading comprehension?
"I've not been wrong everytime." is not "I've not been wrong."
You are projecting.
And some of you are taking things at face value, or putting too much value into them.
It would be kind of weird to do all this retuning of 1-60 content and add all this plot right after they put in tons of heirloom items to make the 1-60 area go as quickly as possible
I'm not being an asshole, I'm just remarking that the guy is a bit of a tool for throwing down the "I'm never wrong" card like it means something. I want him to be wrong because he is obnoxious, but at the same time I'm able to speculate as if he were correct.
Besides, you're the one who got uppity and challenged the authority for his asshole behavior asking for a direct quote! Sheesh Mr. Kettle.
He didn't say "I'm never wrong!", he simply said he thought he has never been wrong. What is dickish about that? That phrasing is quite different as he realizes he may have been in error at some point and simply forgot.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
It would be kind of weird to do all this retuning of 1-60 content and add all this plot right after they put in tons of heirloom items to make the 1-60 area go as quickly as possible
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If they phase the new content allowing people to still do vanilla wow then at 78ish it phases into the mess that is understandable but I think a pain in the ass to do
Here you go.
On top of that, he became an arrogant little dick when more masks showed up.
I wouldn't mind if they revamped it because it's shit. It's not like they are polishing a turd, they'd replaceit with some not turd like material.
As someone who just did the 50-58 grind on a warrior for the third time since release, I can say this in full confidence: Fuck the fucking old world fucking quests and the high fucking horse they fucked their way in on.
How many NPCs right-click?
Except the SA post made talk about shorelines changing, places being completely destroyed, and some flooded. How do you do Thousand Needles quests when the place is underwater?
New quests?
They can't write new quests unless they do a new game.
Technical limitations, y'see.
*puffs corncob pipe*
I dunno. WoW's development was a long one before it came out. Yeah the old content is shitty, and it was vamped up enough to where previous group stuff was made soloable, and some quest rewards and dungeon drops made more significant, and experience gains are higher and requirements lower... the content is still shitty, but it's still there. I don't know how many original designers are still on board, but I'm willing to be plenty of them don't want the work they already did thrown the hell out.
Now, that's my response addressing out-right changing the old world. If they do it via phasing I'm fine with that. The only concern I would have with it is that areas that include phasing, which in this case would be the entire old world, take a bit more PC oomph to run. Unless they outright make the post-cataclysmic world a new continent-like server (like they did for TBC stuff and WotLK stuff).
In all seriousness though, a lot of us have always asked to get the old world revamped for a long time. We're apparently, most likely, hopefully finally getting it. It's a time for celebration! Breaking the mold and completely changing the static, persistent MMO world!
1-55 you see world A.
Then 78-85 you see world B.
And there are no more gankers in Tarren Mill ever again.
It's old and busted and needs to be revamped. An expansion is the perfect time to revamp ALL of it...the zones, the quests, get it working with flying mounts, etc. Sometimes sacrifices must be made for the greater good....
Doing such a radical change serves a couple purposes....it renews interest in the game and draws in more people who stick around because it's the new hotness. They can apply everything they've learned about zone layout and quest design since it was first created. This is a good thing.
I would prefer to see the existing world fixed up and brought to the standards of WotLK without being changed dramatically, but that's because I find leveling, not sitting at the level cap, to be the best part of the game. It's fun every time, primarily because of my familiarity with the content; I look forward to certain quests or certain areas, and enjoy reflecting on how challenging it was in the past versus the present. If the entire world was to change drastically, certainly I could adapt by becoming familiar with the new content (just as I do in each expansion), but I'd really rather they didn't completely replace something I'm fond of. Upgrade it? Sure. Make it less shitty. But totally replace it? Hm.
I realize that most people feel the opposite way.
Oh shit, I didn't think of that.
Whenever I've mentioned wanting an old-world revamp, it was always on these terms:
- Make it possible to fly around.
- Fix the goddamn flightpaths from flightmasters so you don't zig-zag needlessly.
- Bring all quest rewards up to date, and offer more where needed (to accommodate class builds of all types).
- Buff experience gains again, thus leaving multiple paths possible for leveling courses.
This can all be done without deleting content.Like someone else said before, phasing. I don't think they're going to remove all those old quests, just because the headache it would bring to the "Complete X Quests" achievements, they're not going to add 1 quest for every quest they remove, I would assume. If they do completely replace/revamp a zone, it would be some place like Azshara, as was suggested, because nobody goes there anymore, anyway.
It makes me right.
Especially since I'm not trying to weasel myself out of some conjecture that I put forth as truth.
Just because you were objectively wrong doesn't mean you should passively aggressively lash out!
They spent an expansion designing the Outland continent, they spent an expansion designing the Northrend continent, so if they wanted to spend an expansion making the original two continents be the place you hung out in at level cap, they could spend an expansion designing that.
Personally, I'm just observing. Not making any claims one way or the other, but not ruling anything out until denied.
I don't think that means what you think it means.
Consider this: New people buy WoW. New people play WoW. What do new people have to play through first?
That's right. Ass and balls. Ass and balls. Not the best PR strategy there. "Get through the ass, and quite a number of balls, then you can get to the fun content!" I don't disagree that leveling can be fun and exciting, but what isn't fun is trying to catch up in levels while you are getting over some basic gameplay humps (late 40s, early to mid 50s come to mind).
As far as I can tell, revamping the old content with brand new content is a great way to both atract new players and to add replay value for the old players to get 'readdicted' to the game by playing new characteres and going through the grind/level/gear process all over again.
You are being a dick. Assertive.
Someone here is being a dick. Passive.
It makes me the guy saying "hold your horses guys" and not getting my expectations up much. Nor am I going to build my expectations up based on "reliable sources."
It's pre-con hype, a bit of possible leaks and really just some possibilities to chew on before we get the real news. If you don't like, then ignore it.
I'm questioning rumors, and also questioning why people are touting rumors as fact. If you're accusing me of being jealous of something, it must be how people are able to have their head in the clouds and not considering the alternative; that they're wrong. Maybe.
20 levels of some good stuff, and then another 40 levels of terrible-to-mediocre crap. I think the only reason I continued on in spite of this was because it went by in about three weeks with the Refer-A-Friend XP boost.
So what was that you said about your reading comprehension?
"I've not been wrong everytime." is not "I've not been wrong."
You are projecting.
Sucked so bad.
Besides, you're the one who got uppity and challenged the authority for his asshole behavior asking for a direct quote! Sheesh Mr. Kettle.
And some of you are taking things at face value, or putting too much value into them.
doesn't really make much sense.
ITS BLIZZARD LOL