Assuming I'm reading this right, and unless there's some other law that supercedes this, it appears that the lower limit is 16; but if one party is pregnant, there's no lower limit, period.
So if he'd gotten her pregnant instead of getting a blowjob, would this have all been legal? Or in that case would he have still gone to jail for impregnating her, but then she'd have been free, since she was pregnant, to turn around and marry someone else without parental consent, after which point she could give that person as many blowjobs as she wanted legally? What the fuck is going on here?
Georgia Supreme Court has convicted a 17yr old male to 10years in prison (without parole) for consensual oral sex with a 15yr old female. The have also rejected the subsequent appeal.
So what is the law exaclty for child molesting, is it someone over 16 with someone under 16? I'm not too knowledgable about these laws, even though I should be. :P
16 is the age of consent in Georgia, so him being 17 and the girl 15 etc. The reason he got 10 years though is that they consider anything besides penis-->vagina sex as "sodomy", which carries a harsher punishment. Since he was a 17 year old engaging in oral sex with a 15 year old, it's sodomy along with underage sex, so he gets the harsher sentence.
I'd prefer to not even think about this, but I'm curious: why do they think penis-to-vagina child molestation is better than non-penis-to-vagina child molestation?
So what is the law exaclty for child molesting, is it someone over 16 with someone under 16? I'm not too knowledgable about these laws, even though I should be. :P
16 is the age of consent in Georgia, so him being 17 and the girl 15 etc. The reason he got 10 years though is that they consider anything besides penis-->vagina sex as "sodomy", which carries a harsher punishment. Since he was a 17 year old engaging in oral sex with a 15 year old, it's sodomy along with underage sex, so he gets the harsher sentence.
I'd prefer to not even think about this, but I'm curious: why do they think penis-to-vagina child molestation is better than non-penis-to-vagina child molestation?
Because that way the molestation can at least result in new parishioners.
So what is the law exaclty for child molesting, is it someone over 16 with someone under 16? I'm not too knowledgable about these laws, even though I should be. :P
16 is the age of consent in Georgia, so him being 17 and the girl 15 etc. The reason he got 10 years though is that they consider anything besides penis-->vagina sex as "sodomy", which carries a harsher punishment. Since he was a 17 year old engaging in oral sex with a 15 year old, it's sodomy along with underage sex, so he gets the harsher sentence.
I'd prefer to not even think about this, but I'm curious: why do they think penis-to-vagina child molestation is better than non-penis-to-vagina child molestation?
It might have something to do with Georgia's location relative to the Mason-Dixon Line.
The defendant is also black. I wonder if the court would have had its hands tied if he was a good ol white boy. I bet it would be more boys will be boys.
1) Does anyone know if there's any sort of appeal going on, and if so, how successful it's going?
2) Was he charged as an adult or as a minor (I remember certain states tend to up 17 into the majority for certain situations, although I thought it was only for capital offenses)? if as an adult, how come?
3) What's this about a 16 year old's involvement, alcohol, and the telling of someone's mother?
1) Does anyone know if there's any sort of appeal going on, and if so, how successful it's going?
2) Was he charged as an adult or as a minor (I remember certain states tend to up 17 into the majority for certain situations, although I thought it was only for capital offenses)? if as an adult, how come?
3) What's this about a 16 year old's involvement, alcohol, and the telling of someone's mother?
1) Does anyone know if there's any sort of appeal going on, and if so, how successful it's going?
2) Was he charged as an adult or as a minor (I remember certain states tend to up 17 into the majority for certain situations, although I thought it was only for capital offenses)? if as an adult, how come?
3) What's this about a 16 year old's involvement, alcohol, and the telling of someone's mother?
Yeah, we just had a thread dealing with something similar to this.
These are laws that are absolutely necessary. Sometimes, due to the way they are written, some dolphin get caught up with the tuna. It's sad, but we gotta keep canning the tuna.
If there's anyone to be angry at, be angry at the Georgia Legislature. The Supreme Court didn't convict the guy. They just rejected his appeal.
It is better for a hundred guilty people to go free than one innocent person than one innocent person should suffer.
I had that sitting in the back of my mind, and I planned to reveal it later, until I got lynched. I just figured it was the elephant in the room that no one was talking about.
Black kid, white girl, super white jury?
Doesn't mean he should be sent to jail for 10 years.
I had that sitting in the back of my mind, and I planned to reveal it later, until I started a bonfire, then jumped in it. I just figured it was the elephant in the room that no one was talking about.
Black kid, white girl, super white jury?
Doesn't mean he should be sent to jail for 10 years.
Yeah, we just had a thread dealing with something similar to this.
These are laws that are absolutely necessary. Sometimes, due to the way they are written, some dolphin get caught up with the tuna. It's sad, but we gotta keep canning the tuna.
If there's anyone to be angry at, be angry at the Georgia Legislature. The Supreme Court didn't convict the guy. They just rejected his appeal.
It is better for a hundred guilty people to go free than one innocent person than one innocent person should suffer.
Also, people have more worth than a dolphin.
Also, judges are able to exercise discretion, nets are not, and that's a fucktarded analogy that doesn't work and isn't analagous.
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Ditto. Unfortunately the instant I saw the thread title I thought "black."
White trash 15-yr-old gets wasted drunk and proceeds to suck off 7 older black kids. Wakes up in racist purgatory and tells mom/dad. Mom/dad flip out and decide to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
How do you not get pessimistic and hopeless after shit like this happens in fuckin' America?
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
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Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Yes, I don't not disagree.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Yes, I don't not disagree.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
No past criminal record just means he was never convicted of anything, y'know, not that he's a perfect angel.
I'm not saying he deserves what he got, only that no priors doesn't mean he hasn't done something.
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Yes, I don't not disagree.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
Mcc is subtly suggesting you count your negatives. :P
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Yes, I don't not disagree.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
Mcc is subtly suggesting you count your negatives. :P
mcc actually messed the negatives up on this one. Do not not disagree = Do disagree.
Also, judges are able to exercise discretion, nets are not, and that's a fucktarded analogy that doesn't work and isn't analagous.
Looks like Thanatos got to your wrong statement before I did. I think it's funny that you called my analogy fucktarded, right before your reason for calling it fucktarded shit the bed.
Funny indeed.
The legislature gave this crime a sentencing guideline, thus there is no discretion. The kid (dolphin) got caught in the net (the statute) that was cast out for something else (sex predators).
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Yes, I don't not disagree.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
No past criminal record just means he was never convicted of anything, y'know, not that he's a perfect angel.
I'm not saying he deserves what he got, only that no priors doesn't mean he hasn't done something.
10 years in prison and you can basically kiss the chances of a successful life away. And for what? For being a horny teen? Who happens to be african american and live in a shitty white supremacist neighborhood?
It just doesn't add up. It's like convicting somebody to 5 years in prison for littering.
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Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Yes, I don't not disagree.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
No past criminal record just means he was never convicted of anything, y'know, not that he's a perfect angel.
I'm not saying he deserves what he got, only that no priors doesn't mean he hasn't done something.
10 years in prison and you can basically kiss the chances of a successful life away. And for what? For being a horny teen? Who happens to be african american and live in a shitty white supremacist neighborhood?
It just doesn't add up. It's like convicting somebody to 5 years in prison for littering.
Hey, you can't just throw your shit anywhere. Especially if it's nuclear waste, or something.
How do you not get pessimistic and hopeless after shit like this happens in fuckin' America?
You will get pessimistic and hopeless only if you naively believe America is somehow "better" in the first place. For all the noble ideals and values the country is founded and praised on, it is still a country of humans and their shortcomings, after all.
Not saying noble ideals and values are a bad thing, mind you.
How do you not get pessimistic and hopeless after shit like this happens in fuckin' America?
You will get pessimistic and hopeless only if you naively believe America is somehow "better" in the first place. For all the noble ideals and values the country is founded and praised on, it is still a country of humans and their shortcomings, after all.
Not saying noble ideals and values are a bad thing, mind you.
Haha, of course I don't believe America is the land of dreams and gold paved streets. But, at least I'd like to think we're a bit more tolerant around here.
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Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
Yes, I don't not disagree.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
No past criminal record just means he was never convicted of anything, y'know, not that he's a perfect angel.
I'm not saying he deserves what he got, only that no priors doesn't mean he hasn't done something.
10 years in prison and you can basically kiss the chances of a successful life away. And for what? For being a horny teen? Who happens to be african american and live in a shitty white supremacist neighborhood?
It just doesn't add up. It's like convicting somebody to 5 years in prison for littering.
The question in my mind is whether or no the judge and jury had their hands tied. Basically, anyone sane can see that this is an enormous fuck up. But since all they have to prove in court is that they had oral sex(how hard is that, anyway?), the jury may not have been in a position to declare him not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
So, I guess what I'm getting at is, how much could the judge have done to toss the law, so to speak, when the case was open and wasn't being appealed?
The question in my mind is whether or no the judge and jury had their hands tied. Basically, anyone sane can see that this is an enormous fuck up. But since all they have to prove in court is that they had oral sex(how hard is that, anyway?), the jury may not have been in a position to declare him not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
So, I guess what I'm getting at is, how much could the judge have done to toss the law, so to speak, when the case was open and wasn't being appealed?
I do imagine not giving someone a 10 year jail sentence, aka fucking their life over, might have been a good start when they have pretty apparently committed no crime.
The question in my mind is whether or no the judge and jury had their hands tied. Basically, anyone sane can see that this is an enormous fuck up. But since all they have to prove in court is that they had oral sex(how hard is that, anyway?), the jury may not have been in a position to declare him not guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
So, I guess what I'm getting at is, how much could the judge have done to toss the law, so to speak, when the case was open and wasn't being appealed?
If the jury weren't retarded, they could have nullified it.
If the jury weren't retarded, they could have nullified it.
If the jury would have ruled not guilty based on them thinking it was a bad law and the kid shouldn't get a harsh sentence, the state would have probably moved for a judgment as a matter of law or a mistrial due to an incompetent jury.
If the jury weren't retarded, they could have nullified it.
If the jury would have ruled not guilty based on them thinking it was a bad law and the kid shouldn't get a harsh sentence, the state would have probably moved for a judgment as a matter of law or a mistrial due to an incompetent jury.
Only if the prosecutor thought he could do better with the next jury.
Only if the prosecutor thought he could do better with the next jury.
Which is what they usually think. This case was probably a slam dunk. The prosecutor is a dick for bringing the charges the way he did (if this wasn't a mandatory filing situation), but cases like this are pretty open and shut.
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I didn't know being "kind of a douche" is grounds for being put in prison for ten years, you fucktard.
God this thread makes me so angry on SO many levels.
Because that way the molestation can at least result in new parishioners.
Obviously god did not intend for oral sex to exist
If God had meant us to have oral sex He would have given us mouths.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
1) Does anyone know if there's any sort of appeal going on, and if so, how successful it's going?
2) Was he charged as an adult or as a minor (I remember certain states tend to up 17 into the majority for certain situations, although I thought it was only for capital offenses)? if as an adult, how come?
3) What's this about a 16 year old's involvement, alcohol, and the telling of someone's mother?
Oh.
Well he's fucked then.
5) Is race an issue in this case?
#5
Also, people have more worth than a dolphin.
I had that sitting in the back of my mind, and I planned to reveal it later, until I got lynched. I just figured it was the elephant in the room that no one was talking about.
Black kid, white girl, super white jury?
Doesn't mean he should be sent to jail for 10 years.
White trash 15-yr-old gets wasted drunk and proceeds to suck off 7 older black kids. Wakes up in racist purgatory and tells mom/dad. Mom/dad flip out and decide to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
That's my best guess.
Seriously, this is damn near undebatable. I can pretty much say that anybody who doesn't think this boy doesn't deserve his 10 year sentence is a worthless sack of flesh.
10 years.
No past criminal records.
Unless you're being sarcastic, which I think you are, you're an idiot.
You don't agree? Did I count the negatives right?
edit: Thanks Thanatos. mcc strikes again!
I'm not saying he deserves what he got, only that no priors doesn't mean he hasn't done something.
But I knew what he meant.
Funny indeed.
The legislature gave this crime a sentencing guideline, thus there is no discretion. The kid (dolphin) got caught in the net (the statute) that was cast out for something else (sex predators).
But, y'know... the analogy doesn't work...
10 years in prison and you can basically kiss the chances of a successful life away. And for what? For being a horny teen? Who happens to be african american and live in a shitty white supremacist neighborhood?
It just doesn't add up. It's like convicting somebody to 5 years in prison for littering.
You will get pessimistic and hopeless only if you naively believe America is somehow "better" in the first place. For all the noble ideals and values the country is founded and praised on, it is still a country of humans and their shortcomings, after all.
Not saying noble ideals and values are a bad thing, mind you.
Haha, of course I don't believe America is the land of dreams and gold paved streets. But, at least I'd like to think we're a bit more tolerant around here.
Not really - anti-littering laws make sense.
So, I guess what I'm getting at is, how much could the judge have done to toss the law, so to speak, when the case was open and wasn't being appealed?
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I'm so sorry.