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Discworld! (Terry Pratchett has passed away; world cries a collective "Buggrit.")

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Perhaps I shouldn't admit it, but I latched on to the "lies for children" schema of education presented in the Science of Discworld. I mentally refer to it when preparing lectures for college freshmen.

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I heart Thief Of Time, but I guess that's just me. I probably read each book like a million times in college because I was a poor college student. There's just so much crammed into these books. You can read the story on the surface, and it's a very good story worthy of being read. But there's also the stuff underneath. There's the satire and along with it a huge number of other jokes and references. I'm still picking up the occasional new joke every so often, on my nth reading of the books.

    Also, it hasn't been updated in a few books, but the Pratchett File is a decent place for explanations of a lot of the references, especially those particularly British ones. Spoilers abound, of course.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    SanderJK wrote: »
    I love the Tiffany Aching books, though a big part in that are the Nac Mac Feegle. They are the best (at fighting, stealing, cursing, fighting, drinking, stealing, drinking and fighting).

    I really hope he has quite a few books left in him. Alzheimers is something I wish on noone.

    What's people's opinion on the Science of Discworld books? Back when I read them (before most of my college education) I remember finding them very interesting, but I've never gone back.
    I tried reading the second one. I was not impressed. The story chapters were interesting but contrived to fit the topics he wanted to cover in the science chapters and not as funny as his other work, and the science chapters were uninteresting and uninformative. I actually quit halfway through.

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  • SchideSchide Yeoh! Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Discworld? Pratchett?

    Hell I love Discworld so much I've watched all four movies. Pretty sure I've read all the main Discworld books, and I own nearly all of them. I am missing some supplementary stuff, but I found a nice hardcover of the Light Fantastic comics. I still regret passing up that Mort tpb I saw once, though.

    The Watch books are probably my favorite series overall, but there aren't really any I don't like. Even the first couple Rincewind books which were...well, you know.

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Rust wrote: »
    The worst is probably Equal Rites or Monstrous Regiment. For some reason Pratchett's writing goes kind of limp when he's being feminist.
    Bwah? Equal Rites was mediocre but Monstrous Regiment was excellent. And the witches and Aching books have nearly all been excellent, particularly that latter.

    I contend you are wrong.

    Monstrous Regiment was awful compared to his other works at the time. I'd say it was as bad as Pyramids. Equal Rites suffers from being an early book. The witches books get noticeably better as the series continues, though I found Witches Abroad to be on par with some of the later stuff.

    Small Gods was the best for a long time but honestly I can't see how any of the rest of his stuff can compare with Night Watch.

    It's surprising how consistently his later works outdo his earlier ones.

    Favorite lines:
    From Feet of Clay:
    "He can't do dis, he puttin' me in fear, dis is police brutality..."
    "No, dis is just police shoutin'! You want to try for brutality, it okay wit me!"
    From Carpe Jugulum
    "I ain't been Vampired. You've been Weatherwaxed."

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Also, I recognize that the OP is specifically about Pratchett's Discworld books, but Good Omens is far too good to escape mention.
    Many phenomena - wars, plagues, sudden audits - have been advanced as evidence for the hidden hand of Satan in the affairs of Man, but whenever students of demonology get together the M25 London orbital motorway is generally agreed to be among the top contenders for exhibit A.
    Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys."
    You can't second-guess ineffability, I always say.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I read a few of the diskworld books before the sameness of them overwhelmed me. If you read one and like it, you're in luck, because there's a shit ton more of them that are exactly like it!

    It's like Xanth, but fewer puns and slightly more respectable.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hey! I liked Pyramids! The Greek philosophers shooting turtles with arrows to try (and fail) to prove that there is no movement had me cracking up.

    EDIT: And let's not forget the Greek and Troyan armies both learning from the Battle of Troy, and each hiding in a giant wooden horse waiting for the other side to take them into their base.

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  • joshua1joshua1 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I absolutely love me some pratchett.

    I must be odd however, since one of my favorite books is Jingo. I honestly think that the lawrence of arabia vibe was great. It also shows off more of carrots underlying kingliness than any other book, and more of ventinari's deviousness.

    Leonard de Quirm is just the icing on the cake here.

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    "Oh, I've just remembered. You have to put your hands up."

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  • joshua1joshua1 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    "Oh, I've just remembered. You have to put your hands up."

    Exactly!

    "Oh no, you are quite right, this won't have any kind of accuracy over more than a few feet. Here, hang on to this for me....hmmm, maybe if i put some fins on here....."

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  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Also, I recognize that the OP is specifically about Pratchett's Discworld books, but Good Omens is far too good to escape mention.
    Many phenomena - wars, plagues, sudden audits - have been advanced as evidence for the hidden hand of Satan in the affairs of Man, but whenever students of demonology get together the M25 London orbital motorway is generally agreed to be among the top contenders for exhibit A.
    Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys."
    You can't second-guess ineffability, I always say.


    What I love is the lines describing God.

    "God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circuitous ways. God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players*, to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.

    * Footnote to above: * ie., everybody"

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I actually enjoy the first few books quite a bit. Yes, he had yet to really develop a clear cut style and establish the overall structure of the world, but some of the dialog was simply great:

    "Not precisely. Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos were lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armor and shouting 'All Gods are bastards!' Got anything to eat?"

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The Fools Guild is perhaps the funniest thing ever

    for all the wrong reasons

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  • BehemothBehemoth Compulsive Seashell Collector Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I love this series, I've got every single book except for some of the supplemental stuff. I couldn't stand the Aching books, just seemed sort of... tedious. But I love the Witches books, especially Carpe Jugulum.

    My favorite would have to be either Pyramids or Going Postal. Pyramids was where his current style really started to come out, and I love the descriptions of what happens when
    every myth is literally true.

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  • NeoTomaNeoToma Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The only books I've read so far is Small Gods, Night Watch and Mosterous regiment. It's weird finding out Night Watch is so far down the Watch series. It felt like an origin story :P

    Death and Ventari are two dudes I would like to read more about.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well 90% of Night Watch was a flashback

    but most of those characters were ones you should've known already :P

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I think one of the best moments Pratchett has delivered is when Vimes refuses to make a pun after
    killing Angua's brother
    in The Fifth Elephant.

    Someday, there will be a huge, hilarious series of Ankh-Morpork City Watch movies, and I will be thrilled beyond belief.

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  • BehemothBehemoth Compulsive Seashell Collector Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    NeoToma wrote: »
    The only books I've read so far is Small Gods, Night Watch and Mosterous regiment. It's weird finding out Night Watch is so far down the Watch series. It felt like an origin story :P

    Death and Ventari are two dudes I would like to read more about.

    There's a whole series focusing on Death, and Vetinari shows up more and more in the Watch books, especially Jingo.

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    You can learn a lot about Death by reading Mort and Reaper Man. For Vetinari Night Watch was a big one, but you might try Feet of Clay.

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    NeoToma wrote: »
    The only books I've read so far is Small Gods, Night Watch and Mosterous regiment. It's weird finding out Night Watch is so far down the Watch series. It felt like an origin story :P

    Death and Ventari are two dudes I would like to read more about.

    Well, it is an Origin story. But it's like in comics and what not where you get really familiar with who a character is and then learn why he's that way. And Night Watch is just awesome, since the same character is being developed twice at the same time.

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Vetinari shows up a wee bit in Going Postal and Making Money

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  • ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I haven't read all of these yet, but my far and away favorite so far has been Going Postal. Moist is just a much more interesting character then any I have read so far, save maybe Death.

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  • DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy Eater Right behind you...Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I've got all the books, although I've only read two of them at this point. Reaper Man was good, but it seemed like I was missing a bit of it, and I had come in on the middle of the series. Small Gods is the other one I've read, which was brilliant and I can say is one of my favorite books.

    I'm really hoping that Pratchett is preparing for how Discworld will be handled when he can't write it anymore. While I suppose it could be picked up by other authors, I can also see it being ruined by some really incompetent ones. I haven't heard him announce any plans for this, or a possible end to the series all together, so I'm getting a little worried.

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  • MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Behemoth wrote: »
    NeoToma wrote: »
    The only books I've read so far is Small Gods, Night Watch and Mosterous regiment. It's weird finding out Night Watch is so far down the Watch series. It felt like an origin story :P

    Death and Ventari are two dudes I would like to read more about.

    There's a whole series focusing on Death, and Vetinari shows up more and more in the Watch books, especially Jingo.


    Vetinari is one of my favorite supporting characters in Discworld, he is essentially the Batman of Ankh-Morpork, knows everything about everyone, and always prepared for every contingency.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Dalboz wrote: »
    I'm really hoping that Pratchett is preparing for how Discworld will be handled when he can't write it anymore. While I suppose it could be picked up by other authors, I can also see it being ruined by some really incompetent ones. I haven't heard him announce any plans for this, or a possible end to the series all together, so I'm getting a little worried.
    Well his daughter started writing, and from what I heard the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree. So hopefully she'll pick it up and continue her father's work.

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  • dachishdachish Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The ape librarian and the Duck Man who always has a duck on his head are my favorite.

    "Say, that's a nice duck"

    "what duck?"

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Richy wrote: »
    Dalboz wrote: »
    I'm really hoping that Pratchett is preparing for how Discworld will be handled when he can't write it anymore. While I suppose it could be picked up by other authors, I can also see it being ruined by some really incompetent ones. I haven't heard him announce any plans for this, or a possible end to the series all together, so I'm getting a little worried.
    Well his daughter started writing, and from what I heard the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree. So hopefully she'll pick it up and continue her father's work.
    She's the one who wrote the story for the first Overlord game (don't know about the second). So it's something she's apparently at least interested in.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Anything with Guards in it is a great book. Vimes, Carrot and Vetinari are just the best characters out of the whole series (rivaled only by Death) and I like the whole detective format that the watch books take.

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  • Squirminator2kSquirminator2k they/them North Hollywood, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    My favourite Pratchett book? It's a tie between Sourcery (because I do so love Rincewind) and Feet of Clay. Since watching "Life on Mars" I can't imagine anyone other than Phillip Glennister playing the role of Vimes. He'd pull it off superbly.

    Of note are the Pratchett TV miniseries adaptations, as well. Hogfather was utterly superb, and The Colour of Magic, while not as good as Hogfather, did a wonderful job of "fixing" a lot of the problems the first two books had.

    They're doing Going Postal next. Richard Coyle (who played Jeff in Coupling) is playing Moist Von Lipwig. Not my first choice - that actually would've gone to David Tennant, provided he used his native Scottish accent - but a brilliant choice nevertheless.

    ...

    I've mentioned this before in previous D&D [chat] threads, but I always thought that a TV series set around the City Watch would work remarkably well. You could have "Guards! Guards!" as the pilot, and then tell mostly brand-new stories with maybe one or two novel adaptations as two-parters a season. "The Troll Bridge" would make a great stand-along episode, too.

    With the UK's current trend for 13-episode seasons I think this could work very well.

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  • Uncle_BalsamicUncle_Balsamic Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    My first Discworld book was Interesting Times, which I got when I was quite young at a Pratchett signing. Since then, I've always had a soft spot for Rincewind, but the Watch series is probably the best, with Night Watch being probably my favourite. Also, still haven't read Small Gods.

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  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Anything with Guards in it is a great book. Vimes, Carrot and Vetinari are just the best characters out of the whole series (rivaled only by Death) and I like the whole detective format that the watch books take.

    Yeah. Nobby and Colon are great too.

    "What is it that I am always saying to you Carrot"

    "Why the hell did Nobby become a copper. You say that one a lot commander."

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  • Squirminator2kSquirminator2k they/them North Hollywood, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Wait, no. Not "Troll Bridge". "Theatre of Cruelty". That's the one.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Rchanen wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Anything with Guards in it is a great book. Vimes, Carrot and Vetinari are just the best characters out of the whole series (rivaled only by Death) and I like the whole detective format that the watch books take.

    Yeah. Nobby and Colon are great too.

    "What is it that I am always saying to you Carrot"

    "Why the hell did Nobby become a copper. You say that one a lot commander."

    Well... every good play needs it's grave diggers.

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I've got the Color Of Magic miniseries next in Netflix. I'll let you good folks know if it's worth watching or not.

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  • Squirminator2kSquirminator2k they/them North Hollywood, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I've already seen it. I saw it when I went back to England to visit my Mum last year. I also have it on DVD.

    It's not as good as Hogfather but it's pretty damned excellent. It fixes a lot of the story problems with the first two novels by changing certain elements and interweaving the plots of TCoM and TLF.

    David Jason wouldn't be my first choice to play Rincewind - he's the wrong age and entirely the wrong shape - but he fulfills the role marvellously.

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I've already seen it. I saw it when I went back to England to visit my Mum last year. I also have it on DVD.

    It's not as good as Hogfather but it's pretty damned excellent. It fixes a lot of the story problems with the first two novels by changing certain elements and interweaving the plots of TCoM and TLF.

    David Jason wouldn't be my first choice to play Rincewind - he's the wrong age and entirely the wrong shape - but he fulfills the role marvellously.

    Sam Gamgee as Twoflower. lol-tastic, but I also see how it could work.

    Wait, it also has Tim Curry in it. The only thing better would be Alan Rickman, who of course would have to play Vetinari.

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  • MetroidZoidMetroidZoid Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I totally stumbled upon Pratchett on accident ... we were at the coast, I was like 15 or so at the time, and needed a book to read. Only thing that looked tolerable in the small convienient store was a small green book entitled "Guards! Guards!". And of course, it was fantastic.

    And then years later when I was 18, a friend lent me Color of Magic to read, and it was great too. And then I took a read through the 'other books by' section, saw Guards, and decided this is a great series of books.

    And the sad thing is, I haven't read anything else since. Seen both movies, they were great, but that's it. Oh, and the Color of Magic graphic novel. Didn't like it as much ... the series leaves so much visuals to the reader's imagination, and it's great that way.

    So I think I'm definitely putting some Pratchett on my Christmas list this year. Definitely.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The only thing better would be Alan Rickman, who of course would have to play Vetinari.
    YES. Also, could Samuel Jackson be Vimes? (I know he isn't in those books, I'm just talking about general casting.)

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  • Squirminator2kSquirminator2k they/them North Hollywood, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Jeremy Irons was perfect as Vetinari. A shame he won't be coming back for Going Postal. Rickman is actually Pratchett's preferred choice.

    Vimes = Philip Glenister. I can't not hear his voice when I re-read the City Watch novels now. He's perfect for the character.

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