Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
I'm assuming that you're talking about the IRA? I've actually never heard of a connection between Ted Kennedy and the IRA, but if there was one it really isn't surprising.
Also Ted Kennedy is more important than many former presidents.
According to this article he played a big role in the ceasefire.
I find it sad that the same newspapers and people who feel it's necessary to point out every negative aspect of Ted Kennedy's life also happily avoided even mentioning any of Reagan's racist rhetoric when he passed away.
Also this might be the best political cartoon about Kennedy.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
Surprised no one has mentioned his misadventures at Harvard and his time in the US Army.
Oh hey, surprised no one has mentioned a single legislative success of his.
Literally. In this thread. All that happened so far was that PantsB made a single indirect reference to the Civil Rights Act. So before this becomes just a little too much of an underhanded-Who?-Me?-twist-the-knife? exercise, let me list a few of the bills he's particularly known for:
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
Brokering a peace accord in Northern Ireland
Title IX
Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986
COBRA insurance
So that's how they kept regrouping after losing to G.I. Joe.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
Parliamentary systems tend to be more anonymous, but we frequently hear about chiefs of police dieing in Mexico.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
I can. Numerous, in fact. The former President of South Korea who had just passed away got news coverage, for instance. It wasn't the lead, but it wasn't buried either.
I hope Ted told Obama the secret of making the health care bill work at their meeting before he passed away.
I hope Obama doesn't fuck this up.
My guess is that Kennedy would not want Obama to NOT use his death to pass health care.
Byrd is already on it and moved to rename the thing the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Care Bill. Which is a stupid, ridiculous, gaaah I hate our system tactic, but it works so whatever.
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Senator Edward M. Kennedy was not only one of the greatest senators of our time, but one of the most accomplished Americans ever to serve our democracy. Over the past half-century, nearly every major piece of legislation that has advanced the civil rights, health, and economic well-being of the American people bore his name and resulted from his efforts. With his passing, an important chapter in our American story has come to an end.
As a mark of respect for the memory of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, I hereby order, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset on August 30, 2009. I also direct that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff until sunset on the day of his interment. I further direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same periods at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.
I hope Ted told Obama the secret of making the health care bill work at their meeting before he passed away.
I hope Obama doesn't fuck this up.
My guess is that Kennedy would not want Obama to NOT use his death to pass health care.
Byrd is already on it and moved to rename the thing the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Care Bill. Which is a stupid, ridiculous, gaaah I hate our system tactic, but it works so whatever.
It's how human beings function.
It would be nice if we did not require death to show compassion. But, fuck it, we're terrible creatures.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
It's likely because his family has been hugely influential on the world stage for the past six decades, and he was the most senior member of that family.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
The news in the UK is leading with it because he's widely credited with the current peace accord and bringing the IRA's political wing in while repudiating the IRA's violent outbursts.
The UK had a long relationship with the man, and knighted him at one point.
They're leading with the story because he was far, far more than just a US Senator.
There are only 100 Senators. That's a relatively small group. The death of a senator who has been in office for decades making the international news doesn't seem so strange to me.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
I can. Numerous, in fact. The former President of South Korea who had just passed away got news coverage, for instance. It wasn't the lead, but it wasn't buried either.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
I can. Numerous, in fact. The former President of South Korea who had just passed away got news coverage, for instance. It wasn't the lead, but it wasn't buried either.
He was a President of a country.
What's your point? He was a public figure who was notable for his effect on the world. Did you complain when the last surviving British WW1 survivor passed away a few months ago and it was on every news site? The impact a person has had is more important than the country they live in.
Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
I can. Numerous, in fact. The former President of South Korea who had just passed away got news coverage, for instance. It wasn't the lead, but it wasn't buried either.
He was a President of a country.
What's your point? He was a public figure who was notable for his effect on the world. Did you complain when the last surviving British WW1 survivor passed away a few months ago and it was on every news site? The impact a person has had is more important than the country they live in.
My point is American politicians are much cooler so they're more recognized all over the world.
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HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
edited August 2009
It does not seem at all strange to me that American politicians are more newsworthy than politicians from most countries, given the outsize influence American national politics has on an international level. And Ted Kennedy in particular is one of the most important American politicians to ever live. Top 50, at least.
It does not seem at all strange to me that American politicians are more newsworthy than politicians from most countries, given the outsize influence American national politics has on an international level.
That only applies to politicians who have an impact on foreign policy, though.
It does not seem at all strange to me that American politicians are more newsworthy than politicians from most countries, given the outsize influence American national politics has on an international level.
That only applies to politicians who have an impact on foreign policy, though.
Uh huh. That Northern Ireland peace accord I mentioned wasn't exactly conducted between Southie and the Boston North Shore. Those lace curtain Irish motherfuckers, THEY ARE LIKE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
Ted Kennedy's death won't change anyone's views on Obama's health bill or on any other issue since going on about the life of a recently deceased politician won't ever make a bill better. His death doesn't make him a better person or a better politician because it doesn't erase the things he did like that incident involving Mary Jo Kopechne in 1969 in which Kennedy didn't notify the authorities right away and was charged for leaving the scene of the accident after causing injury. His death also certainly doesn't make his political stances any better.
While I hated Kennedy's political views and thought he was a bad person, I will say that the Kennedy family has my condolences. I just hope a more honorable person takes his place in the Senate.
There really aren't any significant world powers I can think of that have an equivalent to "Senators." Most of them are parliamentary democracies, lacking strong bicamerality in their legislatures. The next-closest thing in a country like Britain would probably be a cabinet member.
The only people that Ted Kennedy's death needs to effect personally are other Senators. If his support and goodwill turns around even a few of the holdouts, it doesn't matter whether the public wants to rally around him.
It does not seem at all strange to me that American politicians are more newsworthy than politicians from most countries, given the outsize influence American national politics has on an international level.
That only applies to politicians who have an impact on foreign policy, though.
Northern Ireland Peace Process
Ending of the Apartheid Government in South Africa
Worked successfully on arms control negotiations with Gorbachev during Reagan years
not to mention the countless foreign policy bills, trips, negotiations the guy went on.
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edited August 2009
I really think a large part of America has a very wildly distorted image of the man... he was possibly one of the more "honorable" senators we have had as of late, DESPITE his younger transgressions.
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Kennedy was a terrorist sympathiser and fund-raiser. Not a great man. I don't know why the news in the UK is leading with this; he was never President, never even a party's presidential candidate.
That is a good question. I have no idea why any country outside the US would be interested in his death.
Because he was a major public figure.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
I can. Numerous, in fact. The former President of South Korea who had just passed away got news coverage, for instance. It wasn't the lead, but it wasn't buried either.
He was a President of a country.
Yes, I think I mentioned that when I referred to him as the former President of South Korea.
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Because he was a major public figure.
Can you imagine that your parents lived in a time when we openly gave preferential treatment to white immigrants?
According to this article he played a big role in the ceasefire.
I find it sad that the same newspapers and people who feel it's necessary to point out every negative aspect of Ted Kennedy's life also happily avoided even mentioning any of Reagan's racist rhetoric when he passed away.
Also this might be the best political cartoon about Kennedy.
In the US, yes. Is there Senator-like politicians from other countries that we like to hear about in the US? I can't think of any.
So that's how they kept regrouping after losing to G.I. Joe.
Dammit, the political cartoons whenever someone notable dies always make me a bit weepy.
Oh man. That's awesome.
Parliamentary systems tend to be more anonymous, but we frequently hear about chiefs of police dieing in Mexico.
I hope Obama doesn't fuck this up.
My guess is that Kennedy would not want Obama to NOT use his death to pass health care.
Worked for the Civil Rights Act.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I can. Numerous, in fact. The former President of South Korea who had just passed away got news coverage, for instance. It wasn't the lead, but it wasn't buried either.
Byrd is already on it and moved to rename the thing the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Care Bill. Which is a stupid, ridiculous, gaaah I hate our system tactic, but it works so whatever.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
It's how human beings function.
It would be nice if we did not require death to show compassion. But, fuck it, we're terrible creatures.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
It's likely because his family has been hugely influential on the world stage for the past six decades, and he was the most senior member of that family.
He will be missed.
That made the eyes water a bit.
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I like the concept a lot but it'd be more powerful if the likenesses were better.
The news in the UK is leading with it because he's widely credited with the current peace accord and bringing the IRA's political wing in while repudiating the IRA's violent outbursts.
The UK had a long relationship with the man, and knighted him at one point.
They're leading with the story because he was far, far more than just a US Senator.
He was a President of a country.
He at east had a hand in writing just about every medical and civil rights bill in the last 30 years.
My guess is that Kenny would have wanted Obama to use his death to pass the health care bill.
My point is American politicians are much cooler so they're more recognized all over the world.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
That only applies to politicians who have an impact on foreign policy, though.
Wow. I hate political cartoons, but that one was so sad...
Uh huh. That Northern Ireland peace accord I mentioned wasn't exactly conducted between Southie and the Boston North Shore. Those lace curtain Irish motherfuckers, THEY ARE LIKE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
While I hated Kennedy's political views and thought he was a bad person, I will say that the Kennedy family has my condolences. I just hope a more honorable person takes his place in the Senate.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
not to mention the countless foreign policy bills, trips, negotiations the guy went on.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Yes, I think I mentioned that when I referred to him as the former President of South Korea.
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