Well at least out of all of this I kept my good hat, and didn't get that halo
seriously you can be all smug about it but the halo looks pretty terrible and I await a skin that turns it into something that isn't an eyesore
It looks ugly to you because you are a evil cheaty McCheatster who can not gaze upon its radiant glory
So I used the idler. I lost the only hat I got from it which was a shitty hat for my least played class, and I lost most of the weapons I had for classes I rarely play but I'll be getting them back anyway because I have all the milestones.
So yes, be smug about your happy meal prize. I'll be happy to shoot it off your head so you can get a nice look at my hats that aren't dumb
They could have made that statement months ago if they viewed the idler in such a negative light that they would do something about it is what irks a lot of people I think. And without changing the system, all this does is cause idling to drain more power. Why do you hate the environment valve???!!!
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Can you tell me how it is any different then actually idling in game? I don't think Valve deleted items from those people.
Other then allowing me to do something else.
Because you are using a 3rd party program to access to TF2.
To quote the blog:
We realize there is a high level of demand for items, and we're still working on systems to allow you to find them in new ways (via Trading, and crafting duplicates into desired items). However, we need to draw the line at running external applications.
Oh, whoops. I didn't know we had access to a blog post before it was written. Also note how it says "need to draw the line" they didn't draw the line before, and we had no idea it was "cheating" before.
I don't care that much about hats or weapons(I'm in the same boat who deleted the "fairly" won items, think they were duplicates)
But I hardly think it was cheating. I blame Valve for having a system that people who didn't want to deal with bullshit, went and circumvented it.
It's also funny that the guy who made the idler got a community item for other work.
Okay, one, third party software to attain items in the game should be a pretty huge tip off if you have any common sense. Then again, if you did, you'd be able to step back and go "Oh wait yeah this is fair I guess, even if it sucks".
Can you tell me how it is any different then actually idling in game? I don't think Valve deleted items from those people.
Other then allowing me to do something else.
Because you are using a 3rd party program to access to TF2.
To quote the blog:
We realize there is a high level of demand for items, and we're still working on systems to allow you to find them in new ways (via Trading, and crafting duplicates into desired items). However, we need to draw the line at running external applications.
Oh, whoops. I didn't know we had access to a blog post before it was written. Also note how it says "need to draw the line" they didn't draw the line before, and we had no idea it was "cheating" before.
I don't care that much about hats or weapons(I'm in the same boat who deleted the "fairly" won items, think they were duplicates)
But I hardly think it was cheating. I blame Valve for having a system that people who didn't want to deal with bullshit, went and circumvented it.
It's also funny that the guy who made the idler got a community item for other work.
Basically, that was an easy out because TF2 doesn't actually have terms of service or an EULA. Steam, itself, does have a policy on this, but the large number of people using the idler made that a rather unpalitable option. In other words, you should have read up on the SSA and did a little digging into the random program that you downloaded off the interwebs before running it through your steam account.
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Upon further consideration, it has been decided that the Cheater's Lament, as a special case, does not qualify as a hat for the purpose of determining whether an individual may qualify for Clan Hatless. The sole determining factor for membership in Clan Hatless has always been that the player must never have been offered a hat by the random drop system. As the Cheater's Lament was inserted into players' inventories using a different mechanism, possessing it does not violate that cardinal rule. Therefore, Clan Hatless will remain in operation, and members of Clan Hatless may freely display the Cheater's Lament if they so wish (and are able).
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Upon further consideration, it has been decided that the Cheater's Lament, as a special case, does not qualify as a hat for the purpose of determining whether an individual may qualify for Clan Hatless. The sole determining factor for membership in Clan Hatless has always been that the player must never have been offered a hat by the random drop system. As the Cheater's Lament was inserted into players' inventories using a different mechanism, possessing it does not violate that cardinal rule. Therefore, Clan Hatless will remain in operation, and members of Clan Hatless may freely display the Cheater's Lament if they so wish (and are able).
It should be noted that I am psychic and confronted Kupi on this right when he was pushing the submit button.
They can have my hat and items. I use the vanilla starters and server hat mods make the actual items even more pointless.
I think what's getting to me is the other players. The professional trolls and jackasses who like to taunt and come off as better. I like to play games for fun, ya know, like a game is made to be. Which is why I usually have such a hard time playing online. Don't give the other players fuel for being an asshole.
Then people cheating to get the fucking hats. How lame is that? They're just hats. They DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
What unfair advantage does it give an idler to have them then? Why does trying for them deserve punishment?
Also I did the same thing as crash where I deleted items that I got without idling because of duplicates from the idler. So now I get those items taken away when all I wanted was a useless fucking hat. Even if i get some items back from achievements that doesn't help the ones I got the legit way of playing and getting random items.
UGH. FUCK YOU VALVE
Clearly they weren't useless enough that you had to use an idler to try get a hat that does nothing.
I'm gonna leave the thread for a while, as it's obvious that arguing will get no one anywhere. Let me know when we get back to whining about classes or maps.
I'm gonna leave the thread for a while, as it's obvious that arguing will get no one anywhere. Let me know when we get back to whining about classes or maps.
I'm gonna leave the thread for a while, as it's obvious that arguing will get no one anywhere. Let me know when we get back to whining about classes or maps.
I posit that your spy abilities need work.
Thoughts?
I would say most of my class abilities need work. So, I would agree.
It's more of the principle of the thing really. Using a third party program to obtain stuff that's supposed to be rewards for gameplay is just a no no. Again, see achievement unlocker
It's more of the principle of the thing really. Using a third party program to obtain stuff that's supposed to be rewards for gameplay is just a no no. Again, see achievement unlocker
Except idlers will do what they did before. Fire up tf2, sit in an empty pub, and alt tab or go to bed. it doesn't solve anything.
It's more of the principle of the thing really. Using a third party program to obtain stuff that's supposed to be rewards for gameplay is just a no no. Again, see achievement unlocker
Except idlers will do what they did before. Fire up tf2, sit in an empty pub, and alt tab or go to bed. it doesn't solve anything.
Eehhh, at least people are in the game. Again, it's a matter of principle
Also, for the achievements, again, you can get a lot of those (now) in a few hours of play as their respective classes. Farming for them is pretty silly.
I find it funny that people who "legitimately" idle weren't punished. Did I cheat? Eh, I'd view it as sort of a gray area considering there is such a thing as "legitimate" idling. I used a program that allowed me to do the same thing as "legitimate" idlers without wasting a shit ton of CPU time. If Valve did the same thing to people who just idled in achievement_idler or the like, I'd fully admit that "Yes, I was cheating."
In my opinion, here's what Valve should have done. In the last patch, include a message that says something along the lines of "Valve does not support third-party applications used to obtain items, such as the idler. Please stop using it." From that point on, if you use it, then you get punished. If you don't, good for you. You listened.
Furthermore, I think Valve really should revisit their random item scheme. I wouldn't have used the idler if there was another way to obtain hats other than through sheer luck. If you were rewarded with a hat for obtaining all the achievements in a class, I would have done that instead. The only reason I started using the idler was because I got all the items through achievements, had shitty luck getting the hats through randomness (I've run across several people who have several hats and play less than me and I have zero hats) and I wanted to try to get them.
With regards to hats, I think:
A) There should be a way to obtain them through achievements or the like. The item system should be retweaked to reward game play rather than simply time spent in the game. Perhaps something along the lines of increasing the random chance that you get an item based on your score or somethinglike that.
I can't help but give a hardy laugh at all the people who have spent so much of their time bitching about Valve taking away your shit.
You know it was cheating and no amount of bitching and moaning is going to change that.
For once I agree with GinGin. BOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH CRY SOME MORE!
Taking away shit you earned legitimately becuase you deleted the legit item and saved the 'idler' item. Ya real fair. FUCK that noise.
Cry some more. You are not getting them back. Just play the game, like I have been saying the ENTIRE time.
I would like to think I have at least something to do with this, too. I sent a couple of emails a few weeks ago to Robin and Gabe asking if they were ever going to do anything about the idling.
I find it funny that people who "legitimately" idle weren't punished. Did I cheat? Eh, I'd view it as sort of a gray area considering there is such a thing as "legitimate" idling. I used a program that allowed me to do the same thing as "legitimate" idlers without wasting a shit ton of CPU time. If Valve did the same thing to people who just idled in achievement_idler or the like, I'd fully admit that "Yes, I was cheating."
Hats are supposed to be rare, so what do people do?
Seriously, guys, they aren't going to make hats common just because you're entitled brats.
I don't feel entitled to them or anything. I just put in time when I was sleeping or away from the computer without my fan going crazy. I could have fired up tf2 and sat in an empty pub, or even a full one if I was stupid, and still not gotten any hats and a dozen bonks.
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oh god I am not good at battlefield
I can't help but give a hardy laugh at all the people who have spent so much of their time bitching about Valve taking away your shit.
You know it was cheating and no amount of bitching and moaning is going to change that.
For once I agree with GinGin. BOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH CRY SOME MORE!
Taking away shit you earned legitimately becuase you deleted the legit item and saved the 'idler' item. Ya real fair. FUCK that noise.
Cry some more. You are not getting them back. Just play the game, like I have been saying the ENTIRE time.
I would like to think I have at least something to do with this, too. I sent a couple of emails a few weeks ago to Robin and Gabe asking if they were ever going to do anything about the idling.
If this actually works, maybe I should email them about the update for the 360 version and whether or not I should put it in my will that it is bought and dl-ed regardless of my state of being.
I can't help but give a hardy laugh at all the people who have spent so much of their time bitching about Valve taking away your shit.
You know it was cheating and no amount of bitching and moaning is going to change that.
For once I agree with GinGin. BOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH CRY SOME MORE!
Taking away shit you earned legitimately becuase you deleted the legit item and saved the 'idler' item. Ya real fair. FUCK that noise.
Cry some more. You are not getting them back. Just play the game, like I have been saying the ENTIRE time.
I would like to think I have at least something to do with this, too. I sent a couple of emails a few weeks ago to Robin and Gabe asking if they were ever going to do anything about the idling.
If this actually works, maybe I should email them about the update for the 360 version and whether or not I should put it in my will that it is bought and dl-ed regardless of my state of being.
360 TF2... Anything Valve puts on a console I usually won't touch.
I find it funny that people who "legitimately" idle weren't punished. Did I cheat? Eh, I'd view it as sort of a gray area considering there is such a thing as "legitimate" idling. I used a program that allowed me to do the same thing as "legitimate" idlers without wasting a shit ton of CPU time. If Valve did the same thing to people who just idled in achievement_idler or the like, I'd fully admit that "Yes, I was cheating."
Their problem was not with idling, all idling is 'legitimate' in that there is no punishment for doing it.
Valve have objected to people using a 3rd party program to acces their game, and punished as they saw fit.
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So I used the idler. I lost the only hat I got from it which was a shitty hat for my least played class, and I lost most of the weapons I had for classes I rarely play but I'll be getting them back anyway because I have all the milestones.
So yes, be smug about your happy meal prize. I'll be happy to shoot it off your head so you can get a nice look at my hats that aren't dumb
Second, he didn't get a community item.
Basically, that was an easy out because TF2 doesn't actually have terms of service or an EULA. Steam, itself, does have a policy on this, but the large number of people using the idler made that a rather unpalitable option. In other words, you should have read up on the SSA and did a little digging into the random program that you downloaded off the interwebs before running it through your steam account.
It did the same thing as sitting in an idle server using TF2 while using a fraction of the RAM and CPU time of that method.
Upon further consideration, it has been decided that the Cheater's Lament, as a special case, does not qualify as a hat for the purpose of determining whether an individual may qualify for Clan Hatless. The sole determining factor for membership in Clan Hatless has always been that the player must never have been offered a hat by the random drop system. As the Cheater's Lament was inserted into players' inventories using a different mechanism, possessing it does not violate that cardinal rule. Therefore, Clan Hatless will remain in operation, and members of Clan Hatless may freely display the Cheater's Lament if they so wish (and are able).
It should be noted that I am psychic and confronted Kupi on this right when he was pushing the submit button.
I think what's getting to me is the other players. The professional trolls and jackasses who like to taunt and come off as better. I like to play games for fun, ya know, like a game is made to be. Which is why I usually have such a hard time playing online. Don't give the other players fuel for being an asshole.
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A ridiculous amount of people will have this hat, and it doesn't even look that cool.
But it's a 3rd party program. That's the issue. A stupid one about people fighting for pointless items. But the issue nonetheless.
So, I'll see you gents and ladies back in the server when you're all done acting like privileged/butthurt dinks.
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Also, scouts can fuck right the hell off.
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I posit that your spy abilities need work.
Thoughts?
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I would say most of my class abilities need work. So, I would agree.
Taking away shit you earned legitimately becuase you deleted the legit item and saved the 'idler' item. Ya real fair. FUCK that noise.
YOU'LL GET LEGIT ITEMS BACK AT THE UNLOCK LEVEL.
Eh-hem...
Man, so Pipeline sure sucks.
HOW HARD DOES IT SUCK?
Pretty bad.
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...but presumably you don't get items back that you earned through random drops the legitimate way(that you deleted). That is what i'm bitching about.
Except idlers will do what they did before. Fire up tf2, sit in an empty pub, and alt tab or go to bed. it doesn't solve anything.
Yes. I lost my sandvich because of this!
By the way, the halo shows up even when you're cloaked. I LOVE THIS.
FUCK OFF SPIES
oh god I am not good at battlefield
Eh, so we can earn them or get them the 'morally proper' way.
Hey ginger, I want to try out your map. Any servers that have it up and running?
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Find a friend, an empty server, and 15 minutes. Farm the low-hanging achievements, and you've got everything back.
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Once again 'earning' the items.
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Eehhh, at least people are in the game. Again, it's a matter of principle
Also, for the achievements, again, you can get a lot of those (now) in a few hours of play as their respective classes. Farming for them is pretty silly.
More like lemmings!
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In my opinion, here's what Valve should have done. In the last patch, include a message that says something along the lines of "Valve does not support third-party applications used to obtain items, such as the idler. Please stop using it." From that point on, if you use it, then you get punished. If you don't, good for you. You listened.
Furthermore, I think Valve really should revisit their random item scheme. I wouldn't have used the idler if there was another way to obtain hats other than through sheer luck. If you were rewarded with a hat for obtaining all the achievements in a class, I would have done that instead. The only reason I started using the idler was because I got all the items through achievements, had shitty luck getting the hats through randomness (I've run across several people who have several hats and play less than me and I have zero hats) and I wanted to try to get them.
With regards to hats, I think:
A) There should be a way to obtain them through achievements or the like.
Very few of you know how to protect your medic. WHA WHA WHA.
Especially you ThatGuy. You make a terrible wing man.
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as has been stated a few times by a valve employee and others
they are currently working on it, expect it today or tomorrow you will have all weapons you have the milestones for
edit: also because i have a spare computer, we can still get items for being in spec?
old school idlin cause whatever
Heh. Someone already re-skinned it.
edit: Also, this sums some things up nicely:
God damn the steam forums are sad right now. Like a trainwreck.
Seriously, guys, they aren't going to make hats common just because you're entitled brats.
Cry some more. You are not getting them back. Just play the game, like I have been saying the ENTIRE time.
I would like to think I have at least something to do with this, too. I sent a couple of emails a few weeks ago to Robin and Gabe asking if they were ever going to do anything about the idling.
Medics should never heal me. I'm terrible.
I agree with this.
I don't feel entitled to them or anything. I just put in time when I was sleeping or away from the computer without my fan going crazy. I could have fired up tf2 and sat in an empty pub, or even a full one if I was stupid, and still not gotten any hats and a dozen bonks.
oh god I am not good at battlefield
If this actually works, maybe I should email them about the update for the 360 version and whether or not I should put it in my will that it is bought and dl-ed regardless of my state of being.
Oh Goomba.
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360 TF2... Anything Valve puts on a console I usually won't touch.
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Also scouts should immediately die on spawn. For balance.
Their problem was not with idling, all idling is 'legitimate' in that there is no punishment for doing it.
Valve have objected to people using a 3rd party program to acces their game, and punished as they saw fit.