And the fact that twinks have been complaining about long queue times doesn't mean they were only into twinking to beat up on scrubs. It means they don't enjoy waiting to fight.
I believe people are implying that the long wait times can be attributed to the low number of twinks who realistically were looking to do battle against other twinks.
In other words: Most twinks aren't using that system because they want to still beat up on the easy targets.
There are twinks who spent the 10g then spent 10 minutes waiting for a BG to pop up and dropped another 10g so they could get into the non-twink BGs.
So there are all these guys who have already tried the twink bracket but quit too soon. Why couldn't these people use the cross server BG forum to arrange match times with twinks from the other faction?
* Create Death Knight on the server with the twinks.
* Blast through levelling to 58.
* Visit Outland, where money rains from the sky.
All the money's at the high levels, but there's a quick 'n' handy shortcut *to* said high levels.
Even a level 10 can make 10 gold in a reasonable time frame now with gathering professions and selling linen cloth thanks to the two-expansion inflation.
And the fact that twinks have been complaining about long queue times doesn't mean they were only into twinking to beat up on scrubs. It means they don't enjoy waiting to fight.
I believe people are implying that the long wait times can be attributed to the low number of twinks who realistically were looking to do battle against other twinks.
In other words: Most twinks aren't using that system because they want to still beat up on the easy targets.
But in the average bg, what percentage of the participants were the high-end twinkers? One out of ten? Of five? In my extensive experience, the twinks were heavily outnumbered by the casual player looking for a diversion from levelling and the "casual" twinks who weren't maxed out.
You take all the casual players out of the no-xp queue, and even if 100% (very, very unlikely) of the heavy twinkers paid the 10g to stay and fight competitively, you're still losing a MASSIVE amount of players in the queue.
Hence the long wait times.
While I know that a few twinkers are there just to make casual scrubs cry, I have still run across the vast majority of "career" low level twinkers in the no-xp bgs, and the wait times are still long.
And if they got together and figured out between them when the best times of day would be to queue up, they wouldn't have to spend so much time waiting around for the queue.
And if they got together and figured out between them when the best times of day would be to queue up, they wouldn't have to spend so much time waiting around for the queue.
Wow, thanks for that amazing gift of wisdom. Truly, your clarity and insight blesses us all.
Oh hey, fuck you.
The point is, when you join the no-xp queue, you're seperating yourself from (completely imaginary number) 90% of the BG playing crowd. There's going to be a longer wait than usual. Unfortunately, that (going off the aforementioned completely imaginary number) 10% of no-xp hardcore twinks play at different times of day.
Just like pugging, you'll statistically wait the least amount of time during primetime hours or on the weekend.
That still doesn't change that now, we're in a queue for a subdivision of a subdivision of a subdivision of the game.
EDIT: This still doesn't prove to me that everyone's opinion of "hurr durr twinks r 4 fite scrubs cuz dey's dumm" is anywhere near accurate. It does show that many diehard twinks are willing to alienate themselves for a more competitive environment, even when they have to wait extended periods of time to participate in that environment.
I don't know why anyone felt that this was a necessary change. Twinking was fun because it was a way for you to completely maximize your character and be extremely powerful in an inconsequential pvp environment. I don't get all the whining about 19 twinks. It takes like half an hour to level past this bracket; who is in it long enough to want serious pvp anyway? Plus, its fun to get one on your team or to help in taking one down if you happened to queue up casually on an alt.
People whined about nothing and blizzard killed something that was fun for no reason. Congrats.
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It also shows that it's probably not really worth Blizzard's time/money to spend a lot of time on the problems of a subdivision of a subdivision of a subdivision of the game.
It also shows that it's probably not really worth Blizzard's time/money to spend a lot of time on the problems of a subdivision of a subdivision of a subdivision of the game.
Well, they sure didn't have an issue putting level limits on leg armor and enchants to shut all the casual whiners up because they couldn't perform competitively in a highly competitive environment without any work put into their character.
I'm still angry about that leg armor. I would have been happy to have level limits in the bgs, but everywhere? My level 1's would always get clefthide right out of the gate for levelling, and now even that's gone, due to bg whining.
Now, Blizz offers a means for twinks to remove themselves completely from the whining casual players who want everything handed to them without any effort, and can't come up with a way to lessen the times? Maybe switch the no-xp queues to a seperate server where EVERYONE in that level bracket could fight each other?
Yeah, Blizz, completely change your battlegroup system so the twinks don't have to wait 30m for a game. How dare you not do that right now. Those terrible players who want to have fun without being ripped to shreds in one hit (aka "want everything given to them") shouldn't get to play while the mighty twinks, who have worked hard for their positions, must be forced to wait to fight against each other, ignoring that there's a small population of them.
Maybe they just decided it made sense to have level restrictions on item enchantments, sort of like how there are level restrictions on almost everything in the game (gems are the only major thing that come to mind, and you don't see socketed gear before Outland anyway).
I don't know why anyone felt that this was a necessary change. Twinking was fun because it was a way for you to completely maximize your character and be extremely powerful in an inconsequential pvp environment. I don't get all the whining about 19 twinks. It takes like half an hour to level past this bracket; who is in it long enough to want serious pvp anyway? Plus, its fun to get one on your team or to help in taking one down if you happened to queue up casually on an alt.
People whined about nothing and blizzard killed something that was fun for no reason. Congrats.
They didn't "kill" anything. If it takes ten hours for a twink BG to get going, that's not really Blizzards fault. That just proves that twinks were relying on the masses to keep their habit afloat, which is what neither side wanted. Twinks kept saying they only wanted to fight other twinks, and regular BGers said they didn't want to fight twinks. Ta-da! That opportunity was given. Except now it turns out that not enough twinks exist to perpetuate the playstyle. Again, I'm not sure how that's Blizzards fault.
I don't get all the whining about 19 twinks. It takes like half an hour to level past this bracket; who is in it long enough to want serious pvp anyway?
It didn't always take half an hour to level out of that range. Combine that with some people wanting to PvP without getting one shot for an entire game, and you get to the complaints.
You act like hatred of twinks is a new thing. It existed long before the current implementation of the game, thus it entailed a lot more details than what we see now (look at the leg armor comment a few posts above, for example).
I don't know why anyone felt that this was a necessary change. Twinking was fun because it was a way for you to completely maximize your character and be extremely powerful in an inconsequential pvp environment. I don't get all the whining about 19 twinks. It takes like half an hour to level past this bracket; who is in it long enough to want serious pvp anyway? Plus, its fun to get one on your team or to help in taking one down if you happened to queue up casually on an alt.
People whined about nothing and blizzard killed something that was fun for no reason. Congrats.
No reason? Twinking absolutely destroyed any desire to enter ANY of the brackets while leveling. What you mean by being "extremely powerful in an inconsequential pvp environment" meant it was only fun for you when you could kill non twinks. And the people who want to pvp as they level DON'T want serious pvp. The idea that its fun when you get one on your side when you queue up on a casual alt is hilarious. Oh, Im completely ineffective. I NEED a twink on my side because I can't do a damn thing against the opposing team because they are all twinks. Thats fantastic. :rotate:
Show me someone getting ten levels (without RAF, etc.) in half an hour. And 10-19 is just one bracket. Did you want Blizzard to just make an exception to a game-wide design for the lowest level bracket? I mean, I wouldn't care if they did since PvP in the teens is just retarded anyway, but that'd be pretty inconsistent.
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I don't know why anyone felt that this was a necessary change. Twinking was fun because it was a way for you to completely maximize your character and be extremely powerful in an inconsequential pvp environment. I don't get all the whining about 19 twinks. It takes like half an hour to level past this bracket; who is in it long enough to want serious pvp anyway? Plus, its fun to get one on your team or to help in taking one down if you happened to queue up casually on an alt.
People whined about nothing and blizzard killed something that was fun for no reason. Congrats.
No reason? Twinking absolutely destroyed any desire to enter ANY of the brackets while leveling. What you mean by being "extremely powerful in an inconsequential pvp environment" meant it was only fun for you when you could kill non twinks. And the people who want to pvp as they level DON'T want serious pvp. The idea that its fun when you get one on your side when you queue up on a casual alt is hilarious. Oh, Im completely ineffective. I NEED a twink on my side because I can't do a damn thing against the opposing team because they are all twinks. Thats fantastic. :rotate:
This is pretty much why I hate twinks. I always enjoyed the idea of doing a few BGs every now and then while leveling up, but twinks made those battleground visits completely miserable, and then I just stopped queueing up.
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Twinking at level 19 isn't the only twinking that happens... there's the 29, 39, so on fuckers. So saying you can just level out of the bracket is fucking stupid.
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CrayonSleeps in the wrong bed.TejasRegistered Userregular
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19 twinks said they wanted to fight other 19 twinks. They gave them that option. Those specific battlegrounds are dead. A lot of people lied. Good riddance.
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19 twinks said they wanted to fight other 19 twinks. They gave them that option. Those specific battlegrounds are dead. A lot of people lied. Good riddance.
I mean seriously, the game grows, the game evolves. Twinks are the representation of people who either can't change with the times (high level bgs and arena) or just want to take their agression on people that can't defend themselves.
Hey guys! You can twink at 80 too! You just need to be somewhat skilled!
19 twinks said they wanted to fight other 19 twinks. They gave them that option. Those specific battlegrounds are dead. A lot of people lied. Good riddance.
Indeed. Before I gave up on the hateful experience (ie: low level BGs while levelling) entirely, it was the /lol and /spit macros the twinks used while they cheerfully massacred all-comers that really pissed me off.
Like minded, skilled players engaged in equal fair combat with their peers? Do me a fucking favour.
/rant off
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I used a decked out 59 rogue for a bit. But he was primarily used to hunt fledgling death knights in the battlegrounds. It was fun for awhile, but I'm not going to miss it or anything.
Twinks have already found two different ways to circumvent the current system so they can continue being dicks to the casual PvPers. It's beyond obvious that the "we just want to fight other twinks" argument was complete bullshit.
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Twinks have already found two different ways to circumvent the current system so they can continue being dicks to the casual PvPers. It's beyond obvious that the "we just want to fight other twinks" argument was complete bullshit.
What are these two ways? Aside from not entering into the non-exp gaining bracket.
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Twinks have already found two different ways to circumvent the current system so they can continue being dicks to the casual PvPers. It's beyond obvious that the "we just want to fight other twinks" argument was complete bullshit.
What are these two ways? Aside from not entering into the non-exp gaining bracket.
One way is to just twink out a level 18 or below character I believe.
It's hearsay, since I haven't bothered testing it.
You can get a group of twinks to party with a non-twink (player with the xp gain still on), and if the non-twink joins a BG, all the twinks will follow them.
The other way, all the twinks keep the xp gain, so they join normal BG's. They all /afk, and they apparently gain no experience.
I didn't want to mention how, but it's easy enough to look it up anyways.
Munkus commented on one way earlier. A hunter twink who /afked before someone from his team was able to score.
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edited August 2009
Twinks are terrible.
They do not get their own thread.
Bears do, however.
In the druid thread.
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There are twinks who spent the 10g then spent 10 minutes waiting for a BG to pop up and dropped another 10g so they could get into the non-twink BGs.
So there are all these guys who have already tried the twink bracket but quit too soon. Why couldn't these people use the cross server BG forum to arrange match times with twinks from the other faction?
But in the average bg, what percentage of the participants were the high-end twinkers? One out of ten? Of five? In my extensive experience, the twinks were heavily outnumbered by the casual player looking for a diversion from levelling and the "casual" twinks who weren't maxed out.
You take all the casual players out of the no-xp queue, and even if 100% (very, very unlikely) of the heavy twinkers paid the 10g to stay and fight competitively, you're still losing a MASSIVE amount of players in the queue.
Hence the long wait times.
While I know that a few twinkers are there just to make casual scrubs cry, I have still run across the vast majority of "career" low level twinkers in the no-xp bgs, and the wait times are still long.
Wow, thanks for that amazing gift of wisdom. Truly, your clarity and insight blesses us all.
Oh hey, fuck you.
The point is, when you join the no-xp queue, you're seperating yourself from (completely imaginary number) 90% of the BG playing crowd. There's going to be a longer wait than usual. Unfortunately, that (going off the aforementioned completely imaginary number) 10% of no-xp hardcore twinks play at different times of day.
Just like pugging, you'll statistically wait the least amount of time during primetime hours or on the weekend.
That still doesn't change that now, we're in a queue for a subdivision of a subdivision of a subdivision of the game.
EDIT: This still doesn't prove to me that everyone's opinion of "hurr durr twinks r 4 fite scrubs cuz dey's dumm" is anywhere near accurate. It does show that many diehard twinks are willing to alienate themselves for a more competitive environment, even when they have to wait extended periods of time to participate in that environment.
People whined about nothing and blizzard killed something that was fun for no reason. Congrats.
Well, they sure didn't have an issue putting level limits on leg armor and enchants to shut all the casual whiners up because they couldn't perform competitively in a highly competitive environment without any work put into their character.
I'm still angry about that leg armor. I would have been happy to have level limits in the bgs, but everywhere? My level 1's would always get clefthide right out of the gate for levelling, and now even that's gone, due to bg whining.
Now, Blizz offers a means for twinks to remove themselves completely from the whining casual players who want everything handed to them without any effort, and can't come up with a way to lessen the times? Maybe switch the no-xp queues to a seperate server where EVERYONE in that level bracket could fight each other?
They didn't "kill" anything. If it takes ten hours for a twink BG to get going, that's not really Blizzards fault. That just proves that twinks were relying on the masses to keep their habit afloat, which is what neither side wanted. Twinks kept saying they only wanted to fight other twinks, and regular BGers said they didn't want to fight twinks. Ta-da! That opportunity was given. Except now it turns out that not enough twinks exist to perpetuate the playstyle. Again, I'm not sure how that's Blizzards fault.
It didn't always take half an hour to level out of that range. Combine that with some people wanting to PvP without getting one shot for an entire game, and you get to the complaints.
You act like hatred of twinks is a new thing. It existed long before the current implementation of the game, thus it entailed a lot more details than what we see now (look at the leg armor comment a few posts above, for example).
Pins!
No reason? Twinking absolutely destroyed any desire to enter ANY of the brackets while leveling. What you mean by being "extremely powerful in an inconsequential pvp environment" meant it was only fun for you when you could kill non twinks. And the people who want to pvp as they level DON'T want serious pvp. The idea that its fun when you get one on your side when you queue up on a casual alt is hilarious. Oh, Im completely ineffective. I NEED a twink on my side because I can't do a damn thing against the opposing team because they are all twinks. Thats fantastic. :rotate:
This is pretty much why I hate twinks. I always enjoyed the idea of doing a few BGs every now and then while leveling up, but twinks made those battleground visits completely miserable, and then I just stopped queueing up.
I mean seriously, the game grows, the game evolves. Twinks are the representation of people who either can't change with the times (high level bgs and arena) or just want to take their agression on people that can't defend themselves.
Hey guys! You can twink at 80 too! You just need to be somewhat skilled!
Indeed. Before I gave up on the hateful experience (ie: low level BGs while levelling) entirely, it was the /lol and /spit macros the twinks used while they cheerfully massacred all-comers that really pissed me off.
Like minded, skilled players engaged in equal fair combat with their peers? Do me a fucking favour.
/rant off
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What are these two ways? Aside from not entering into the non-exp gaining bracket.
One way is to just twink out a level 18 or below character I believe.
You can get a group of twinks to party with a non-twink (player with the xp gain still on), and if the non-twink joins a BG, all the twinks will follow them.
The other way, all the twinks keep the xp gain, so they join normal BG's. They all /afk, and they apparently gain no experience.
I didn't want to mention how, but it's easy enough to look it up anyways.
They do not get their own thread.
Bears do, however.
In the druid thread.