I seriously need to do some intra list rankings. Matrix reloaded has somehow snagged slot five on my top 20. I can't post my top 20 with something like that on it!
I've actually been doing intra list ranking where I'm just playing the numbers. I had Serenity, Equilibrium, and Christmas Vacation all in my top 10 at one point (I like all of them, but top 10 is ludicrous). So I've been voting for any movie I like better than those three regardless of if I like it better than the actual movie it's up against. That way it pushes the ones I don't want in my top 20 down, and then I can go back and reorder the top 20 later.
I seriously need to do some intra list rankings. Matrix reloaded has somehow snagged slot five on my top 20. I can't post my top 20 with something like that on it!
it will take forever to move even by doing intra list picks. look at it this way... to move matrix from where it is, you'd have to have it matched up against 15 movies you like better... and even still it'd be ranked 21 which I doubt is what you want.
I honestly think right now just removing something that is THAT far off where you want it is the only option.
to get it out of your top 100 it would have to lost 95 times. not worth the energy. just kick it off.
Just let it rank your top 50 and that should take care of it.
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RentI'm always rightFuckin' deal with itRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
I haven't seen an Indiana Jones movie, or if I have, it was when I was far too young to have any sort of impression of it besides "ooh face melting! Cool!" and "don't step on the tiles!"
What the fuck is wrong with me
Die Hard 3 vs. Stranger Than Fiction.... hmm...I gotta say, STF is one of my favorite Will Ferrell movies
I seriously need to do some intra list rankings. Matrix reloaded has somehow snagged slot five on my top 20. I can't post my top 20 with something like that on it!
it will take forever to move even by doing intra list picks. look at it this way... to move matrix from where it is, you'd have to have it matched up against 15 movies you like better... and even still it'd be ranked 21 which I doubt is what you want.
I honestly think right now just removing something that is THAT far off where you want it is the only option.
to get it out of your top 100 it would have to lost 95 times. not worth the energy. just kick it off.
Well to be fair it or anything ranked higher than it has to lose 95 times to something lower than it. But its definitely part of the flaw of the system. I suggested a beat path algorithm such that each movie remembers its matchups
So Matrix Reloaded remembers that it is > Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skullfuck and the next time it is matched up it is much more likely to face something else that is currently above that movie. The new relationship (either movie X>MatRel or vice versa) gets taken into account and movies are re-slotted. If a movie has been rated below your #5 and above your #15 and no movies between there it gets placed semi-randomly in that group according to the restrictions of the other movies. The next time its ranked the system will give a much higher chance to go inside that group.
Loops get wiped, necessarily. (A>B>C>A gets wiped). Redundancies would need to be dealt with in some way (for instance if A>B and A>C and B>C, A>C becomes redundant and is removed) to simplify things which would introduce some problems when a bad comparison is added but it should be robust enough.
To make this make sense the algorithm would need an A movie which decided the matchup and a B movie but that's not a big deal. And especially at first you'd have more movement. But you'd be able to properly place newly ranked movies much more quickly by comparing it to something right in the middle of the pack (something approaching log(N) comparisons since it'd be a cousin of the binary sort) and then in the middle of the half above or below, etc. It would require more storage requirements and processing power. But it would be better
Actually organizing my top 20 into what I feel would be accurate would take too much time, so i'll just say that I think my top 5 are correct and after that any order still fits.
1- To Kill A Mockingbird
2- The Dark Knight
3- Batman Begins
4- Spirited Away
5- Star Wars
6- Die Hard With A Vengeance
7- Finding Nemo
8- The Shawshank Redemption
9- V for Vendetta
10- The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
11- The Incredibles
12- Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
13- Apollo 13
14- Ghostbusters
15- The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
16- Thirteen Days
17- Black Hawk Down
18- Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
19- The Sixth Sense
20- John Q.
After I got about 250 or so on my list I went back and spent a while ranking just my list, and then just my top 50. I'm pretty happy with it overall.
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RentI'm always rightFuckin' deal with itRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
Also, I'm Rent on Flickchart, you should check me out because seriously, I've missed so many classics it's fucking embarassing
Ok, I'm almost 2500 rankings and just over 700 movies in. After more effort than I should have used, here's my fairly accurate Top 20:
1. Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Dr. Strangelove
3. Fight Club
4. The Shawshank Redemption
5. Jaws
6. Star Wars
7. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
8. Seven
9. Back to the Future
10. Return of the Jedi
11. Snatch
12. Batman Begins
13. Blazing Saddles
14. 12 Monkeys
15. Caddyshack
16. The Last of the Mohicans
17. The Usual Suspects
18. Million Dollar Baby
19. The Silence of the Lambs
20. The Sixth Sense
I guess this is a pretty accurate top 20, although I'd probably rank Boondock Saints a bit lower...
1. Serenity
2. The Dark Knight
3. The Seven Samurai
4. Monty Python an the Holy Grail
5. American Psycho
6. Eastern Promises
7. Taxi Driver
8. The Lion King
9. Toy Story
10. Galaxy Quest
11. Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
12. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
13. 3:10 to Yuma
14. GoodFellas
15. Up
16. Ong-Bak: The Thai Warrior
17. The Boondock Saints
18. Monsters, Inc.
19. Spirited Away
20. The Great Escape
I had to go back and clean up the list since it ended up being full of movies that just happened to come up against ones I liked, instead of movies that I actively hate.
KetarCome on upstairswe're having a partyRegistered Userregular
edited September 2009
Flickchart made my wife's head explode when it gave me The Fugitive vs Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade, and a few pairs later Close Encounters of the Third Kind vs E.T., while she was watching.
I don't know that I could have designed two more difficult choices for her - it was like they were hand-crafted to make her hate this entire concept
I had to go back and clean up the list since it ended up being full of movies that just happened to come up against ones I liked, instead of movies that I actively hate.
526 Semi-Pro
525 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
524 The Happening
523 American Beauty
522 The Sixth Sense
521 The Wrestler
520 The Green Mile
518 Predator
517 Beauty and the Beast
516 The Exorcist
515 Face/Off
514 Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy
513 The Matrix Reloaded
512 Collateral
511 Insomnia
510 Liar Liar
509 Donnie Brasco
508 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
507 Groundhog Day
Hmm. MOST of those don't belong that far down on the list, and a small number belong much, much, much closer to the top. I sought out Battlefield Earth to purposuly rank it down, but I couldn't get it to drop more than 1-2 spots at a time. It deserves to be nowhere NEAR #309 .
Night of the Living Dead or The Host? I hate you Flickchart. I hate you.
I should have chosen NotLD, but The Host won out because I'm weak.
In other news, my top 20:
1. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (legitimately great, but certainly not my #1)
2. No Country for Old Men
3. Burn After Reading (is fantastic, but has also been paired up against a load of shit movies)
4. Eastern Promises
5. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (really? It's my third favorite Indiana Jones.)
6. Citizen Kane
7. The Empire Strikes Back
8. Pan's Labyrinth
9. Aliens
10. Return of the Jedi
11. Stranger Than Fiction
12. Sideways
13. Star Wars
14. The Terminator
15. Serenity
16. Being John Malkovich
17. Clerks
18. There Will Be Blood
19. The Seven Samurai
20. Pulp Fiction
I would switch around a lot of the movies on this list, and would remove a handful of others... and the fact that Jaws isn't on there at all is a crime. I also have some fucking fabulous movies on my bottom 20, so I've got a long way to go.
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edited September 2009
Top 20
The Godfather
The Godfather Part II
L.A. Confidential
The Professional
Pirates of the Carribean
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Brazil
The Life Aquatic
A Clockwork Orange
The Graduate
Pulp Fiction
National Lampoon's Animal House
Traffic
Zodiac
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Kill Bill Vol. 2
Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Eastern Promises
The Matrix
The Empire Strikes Back
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I'm not calling it perfect, the only one I specifically have to speak out about is Monty Python which I like a lot but wouldn't place... but I'd say they are movies that would come up in any extended conversation I had with a person so that's not bad.
edit - wait, I wouldn't put Pirates that high either, although there was a time when I liked it as much as Raiders. didn't have the lasting power. also, Traffic doesn't go up there. I've only seen it once I think, and I like it a lot but again, wouldn't place. at least not before seeing it several more times.
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
Armageddon
Shakespeare in Love
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
Top Gun
The Hulk
Transformers
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider
Chicago
Batman Forever
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Twilight
Mr. Deeds
The English Patient
Batman & Robin
The Matrix Reloaded
Planet of the Apes (the remake)
Hollow Man
Titanic
It's fairly accurate, although Twilight should be the worst out of all of them followed by Batman & Robin, and I'd replace Transformers with Transformers 2.
This is not my top 20. This is a list of movies I haven't seen. My boyfriend (projectmayhem) will be ashamed.
Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Pulp Fiction
The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
The Godfather
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Batman Begins
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Seven
Die Hard
The Silence of the Lambs
GoodFellas
Kill Bill Vol. 1
Reservoir Dogs
The Usual Suspects
The Big Lebowski
Saving Private Ryan
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edited September 2009
Scary Movie 3 somehow made it into my top 40 and has been wreaking havoc ever since.
I wish there were a method to rank down movies instead of just rank them up.
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This is not my top 20. This is a list of movies I haven't seen. My boyfriend (projectmayhem) will be ashamed.
Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Pulp Fiction
The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
The Godfather
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Batman Begins
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Seven
Die Hard
The Silence of the Lambs
GoodFellas
Kill Bill Vol. 1
Reservoir Dogs
The Usual Suspects
The Big Lebowski
Saving Private Ryan
This is not my top 20. This is a list of movies I haven't seen. My boyfriend (projectmayhem) will be ashamed.
Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Pulp Fiction
The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
The Godfather
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Batman Begins
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Seven
Die Hard
The Silence of the Lambs
GoodFellas
Kill Bill Vol. 1
Reservoir Dogs
The Usual Suspects
The Big Lebowski
Saving Private Ryan
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I've actually been doing intra list ranking where I'm just playing the numbers. I had Serenity, Equilibrium, and Christmas Vacation all in my top 10 at one point (I like all of them, but top 10 is ludicrous). So I've been voting for any movie I like better than those three regardless of if I like it better than the actual movie it's up against. That way it pushes the ones I don't want in my top 20 down, and then I can go back and reorder the top 20 later.
Just let it rank your top 50 and that should take care of it.
What the fuck is wrong with me
Die Hard 3 vs. Stranger Than Fiction.... hmm...I gotta say, STF is one of my favorite Will Ferrell movies
Well to be fair it or anything ranked higher than it has to lose 95 times to something lower than it. But its definitely part of the flaw of the system. I suggested a beat path algorithm such that each movie remembers its matchups
So Matrix Reloaded remembers that it is > Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skullfuck and the next time it is matched up it is much more likely to face something else that is currently above that movie. The new relationship (either movie X>MatRel or vice versa) gets taken into account and movies are re-slotted. If a movie has been rated below your #5 and above your #15 and no movies between there it gets placed semi-randomly in that group according to the restrictions of the other movies. The next time its ranked the system will give a much higher chance to go inside that group.
Loops get wiped, necessarily. (A>B>C>A gets wiped). Redundancies would need to be dealt with in some way (for instance if A>B and A>C and B>C, A>C becomes redundant and is removed) to simplify things which would introduce some problems when a bad comparison is added but it should be robust enough.
To make this make sense the algorithm would need an A movie which decided the matchup and a B movie but that's not a big deal. And especially at first you'd have more movement. But you'd be able to properly place newly ranked movies much more quickly by comparing it to something right in the middle of the pack (something approaching log(N) comparisons since it'd be a cousin of the binary sort) and then in the middle of the half above or below, etc. It would require more storage requirements and processing power. But it would be better
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1- To Kill A Mockingbird
2- The Dark Knight
3- Batman Begins
4- Spirited Away
5- Star Wars
6- Die Hard With A Vengeance
7- Finding Nemo
8- The Shawshank Redemption
9- V for Vendetta
10- The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
11- The Incredibles
12- Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
13- Apollo 13
14- Ghostbusters
15- The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
16- Thirteen Days
17- Black Hawk Down
18- Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
19- The Sixth Sense
20- John Q.
After I got about 250 or so on my list I went back and spent a while ranking just my list, and then just my top 50. I'm pretty happy with it overall.
1. Raiders of the Lost Ark
2. Dr. Strangelove
3. Fight Club
4. The Shawshank Redemption
5. Jaws
6. Star Wars
7. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
8. Seven
9. Back to the Future
10. Return of the Jedi
11. Snatch
12. Batman Begins
13. Blazing Saddles
14. 12 Monkeys
15. Caddyshack
16. The Last of the Mohicans
17. The Usual Suspects
18. Million Dollar Baby
19. The Silence of the Lambs
20. The Sixth Sense
1. Serenity
2. The Dark Knight
3. The Seven Samurai
4. Monty Python an the Holy Grail
5. American Psycho
6. Eastern Promises
7. Taxi Driver
8. The Lion King
9. Toy Story
10. Galaxy Quest
11. Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
12. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
13. 3:10 to Yuma
14. GoodFellas
15. Up
16. Ong-Bak: The Thai Warrior
17. The Boondock Saints
18. Monsters, Inc.
19. Spirited Away
20. The Great Escape
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
My mind went from 'wtf' to 'I want to high five him'
Star Wars vs. Jurassic Park
Yeah, it's about that time I would close my account.
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
Logged out.
Y tu madre, Flickchart.
My third pair is American History X and Saving Private Ryan
edit: Oh wunderbar, two pairs later I get Pan's Labyrinth and The Wizard of Oz...
edit: Two more pairs brings Rocky and Wall-E. Man, fuck you Flickchart. Fuck you very much.
Fargo 44
Apocalypse Now 65
A Clockwork Orange 66
Taxi Driver 77
The Prestige 82
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
You picked Pet Detective right?
I had to go back and clean up the list since it ended up being full of movies that just happened to come up against ones I liked, instead of movies that I actively hate.
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
I'm done
I can't go on
I picked neither (didn't see either of them)
This is the best possible answer.
I really wasn't kidding when I said I hadn't seen many movies y'all would consider "must sees"
This is getting intense.
I don't know that I could have designed two more difficult choices for her - it was like they were hand-crafted to make her hate this entire concept
526 Semi-Pro
525 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
524 The Happening
523 American Beauty
522 The Sixth Sense
521 The Wrestler
520 The Green Mile
518 Predator
517 Beauty and the Beast
516 The Exorcist
515 Face/Off
514 Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy
513 The Matrix Reloaded
512 Collateral
511 Insomnia
510 Liar Liar
509 Donnie Brasco
508 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
507 Groundhog Day
Hmm. MOST of those don't belong that far down on the list, and a small number belong much, much, much closer to the top. I sought out Battlefield Earth to purposuly rank it down, but I couldn't get it to drop more than 1-2 spots at a time. It deserves to be nowhere NEAR #309
I should have chosen NotLD, but The Host won out because I'm weak.
In other news, my top 20:
1. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (legitimately great, but certainly not my #1)
2. No Country for Old Men
3. Burn After Reading (is fantastic, but has also been paired up against a load of shit movies)
4. Eastern Promises
5. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (really? It's my third favorite Indiana Jones.)
6. Citizen Kane
7. The Empire Strikes Back
8. Pan's Labyrinth
9. Aliens
10. Return of the Jedi
11. Stranger Than Fiction
12. Sideways
13. Star Wars
14. The Terminator
15. Serenity
16. Being John Malkovich
17. Clerks
18. There Will Be Blood
19. The Seven Samurai
20. Pulp Fiction
I would switch around a lot of the movies on this list, and would remove a handful of others... and the fact that Jaws isn't on there at all is a crime. I also have some fucking fabulous movies on my bottom 20, so I've got a long way to go.
that's probably the hardest one I've seen.
I'd pick Raiders.
The Godfather
The Godfather Part II
L.A. Confidential
The Professional
Pirates of the Carribean
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Brazil
The Life Aquatic
A Clockwork Orange
The Graduate
Pulp Fiction
National Lampoon's Animal House
Traffic
Zodiac
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Kill Bill Vol. 2
Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Eastern Promises
The Matrix
The Empire Strikes Back
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I'm not calling it perfect, the only one I specifically have to speak out about is Monty Python which I like a lot but wouldn't place... but I'd say they are movies that would come up in any extended conversation I had with a person so that's not bad.
edit - wait, I wouldn't put Pirates that high either, although there was a time when I liked it as much as Raiders. didn't have the lasting power. also, Traffic doesn't go up there. I've only seen it once I think, and I like it a lot but again, wouldn't place. at least not before seeing it several more times.
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
Armageddon
Shakespeare in Love
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
Top Gun
The Hulk
Transformers
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider
Chicago
Batman Forever
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Twilight
Mr. Deeds
The English Patient
Batman & Robin
The Matrix Reloaded
Planet of the Apes (the remake)
Hollow Man
Titanic
It's fairly accurate, although Twilight should be the worst out of all of them followed by Batman & Robin, and I'd replace Transformers with Transformers 2.
Do... Re... Mi... So... Fa.... Do... Re.... Do...
Forget it...
Hahahahah
Haha
I just joined this site, one of my first matchups:
Twilight vs. Passion of the Christ
MORMON VS. PROTESTANT
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Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back
Pulp Fiction
The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
The Godfather
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Batman Begins
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Seven
Die Hard
The Silence of the Lambs
GoodFellas
Kill Bill Vol. 1
Reservoir Dogs
The Usual Suspects
The Big Lebowski
Saving Private Ryan
I wish there were a method to rank down movies instead of just rank them up.
you're missing out on so much joy.
Well yeah.... Zing!
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Enter the movie in the search box, select the movie you want to rank from the search results, select "Re-Rank This Movie".
Direct link to the Scary Movie 3 flickchart page
GLAMOUR VS. GORE
VAMPIRE VS. ZOMBIE
I've been doing this. The only thing this accomplishes is in putting almost-but-not-quite-as-bad movies also in my top 40.