Except this really isn't an issue of backwards compatibility, it's lacking current compatibility. Not the same thing at all.
The PSP Go can't play previously released games, correct?
The PS3 can't play previously released games either, correct?
It's not an issue of a new system or generation, it's the fact that it is a reboot, back to square one. The games you bought in the past are now obsolete. This is just insult to injury, doing it in on the same hardware.
...That's fucking retarded reasoning, and I expect more than this, especially from you.
Your N64 can't play SNES games. They are not the same system. If you buy a PS3, you can play all PS3 games. 'Cause the system was MADE for PS3 games, get it? If you buy a PSP Go, however, you cannot play all PSP games, despite the fact that said games were MADE for the PSP.
:? There's literally nothing wrong with this reasoning. You own software that works in one device. A new device comes out that no longer runs that software. You don't think that under any circumstances one should be the least disappointed that you can't use your old software, whether the new device is a hardware upgrade or not?
Of course it's slightly less of a blow on the PS3 because the hardware is different. But then, it's more of a blow all over again because there is a precedent for consoles to be backwards compatible. Both are a disappointment and there is nothing wrong with feeling that way.
Yes, they were idiots to make such bold claims, I get that.
But saying that a PSP that can't play all PSP games is the same as a PS3 that does play all PS3 games is just moronic.
And only one person made that claim, yet you are turning this entire thread in to a discussion about it.
Yes, they aren't the exact same thing. There are some similarities between the two, though. There are very few perfect metaphors, and no one needs to waste their time with metaphor nit-picking.
Yes, they were idiots to make such bold claims, I get that.
But saying that a PSP that can't play all PSP games is the same as a PS3 that does play all PS3 games is just moronic.
And only one person made that claim, yet you are turning this entire thread in to a discussion about it.
Yes, they aren't the exact same thing. There are some similarities between the two, though. There are very few perfect metaphors, and no one needs to waste their time with metaphor nit-picking.
And I never even made that claim. As I said, this is insult to injury, implying that the PS3 was merely injury. Of course it's a marginally better situation.
I was interested in this, I didn't mind the download only thing as most titles ive tried on the PSP the downloaded titles off PSN seemed to run better. I prefer smaller handhelds and the form factor wouldn't be so bad.
But as everyone else has mentioned, the price is IMO, worse than the while $599/£425 PS3 launch. I mean anything sub £150 mark would have worked, hell even iPod touch is better priced for what it is (and since the new models are due soon, the Go will look outdated before its release). The price just baffles me.
So you expect that, five console generations from now, if they're still even using discs, they'll just keep putting in all the old hardware to run games from previous generations?
And your old software was not made for that system, that's what I was getting at. It was an extra feature that was removed. The point of the PS3 is not to play PS2 or even PS1 games. The point of the Wii and 360 is not to play GameCube and Oxbox games. Those are just nice features.
What we're dealing with here is an active split; it'd be like if the new PS3 slim came out, but could only play discs that came without the Spider-Man font or something equally ridiculous.
I'm cautiously optimistic about the Go but I'm no way buying one at launch. I'm waiting to see how these 3 things pan out.
1. Can I transfer games I own to it (and if so how)
2. Is it at least as comfortable as the current psp (monster hunter is the true test)
3. Price of the digital games.
I'm not afraid of digital distrubution. (Love steam, psn, xbl) and the battery thing doesn't bother me.
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
And your old software was not made for that system, that's what I was getting at. It was an extra feature that was removed. The point of the PS3 is not to play PS2 or even PS1 games. The point of the Wii and 360 is not to play GameCube and Oxbox games. Those are just nice features.
The point of the PSP Go is not to play disc-based PSP games either. It'd just be a nice feature.
So you expect that, five console generations from now, if they're still even using discs, they'll just keep putting in all the old hardware to run games from previous generations?
And your old software was not made for that system, that's what I was getting at. It was an extra feature that was removed. The point of the PS3 is not to play PS2 or even PS1 games. The point of the Wii and 360 is not to play GameCube and Oxbox games. Those are just nice features.
What we're dealing with here is an active split; it'd be like if the new PS3 slim came out, but could only play discs that came without the Spider-Man font or something equally ridiculous.
they had to remove the hardware required to have the Spider-Man font to get the slim that small, you see
it's just physics
I love my psp. I have a 1000 unmodded and unhacked just due to laziness. But upgrading to a go holds 0 interest for me, and I am quiet the Sony fan boy. The idea is neat, but really not being able to play my umd games on it is just well retarded. DD is great, I love Steam and have gotten a good amount of my recent video games from DD since I lived in Japan. But 100% DD for a hand held, not quiet a good idea yet. At least it looks kind of pretty.
I don't own a PSP or any PSP games - I'm happy with my DS. So is the Go supposed to be targeting consumers like me or people who already own a PSP?
I assume it's for people who have never owned it, the sort of people who buy digital music on iTunes and love that distribution system. And there's nothing wrong with that system either! Just...don't shaft your prior consumers.
Lol this thing will be hacked within 2 weeks of it coming out.
I didn't even know my PSP had a disc-drive on it for the first 6 months I owned the thing.
Last time I checked, people hadn't even fully worked out how to hack the 3000 yet, actually.
Might have changed since, though.
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There were two things going for this for me - the CPU clock speed is reportedly faster (I think I read 420mhz), and it has in game XMB, with the ability to leave a game in a paused 'save state' anywhere, effectively removing checkpoint saving. And also letting me leave it there when I need to get off the train and want to listen to some music.
But I like UMD. I don't know why - it drains the battery, and carrying multiple games around is a pain, but I like having a physical copy of a game. And with the new PSN emphasis and PSP minis, I can effectively carry a 'main game' and a bunch of little distractions, so I don't need to carry multiple UMD's around.
If they put the save state ability in firmware, great, or in a PSP 4000, I'll buy it. But The more I thought about the PSP Go, and the more I looked at the hideous control placement, the more I didn't want one. And with Australias utterly shitcraptastic wireless, I guess it's for the better.
Seems to me that if the PSPGo is DD only, retailers aren't going to have a lot of ways to make money. They have a gaming section for what, PSPGo's only, maybe a few accessories like carrying cases and recharge kits, but does anyone else think it's going to be weird, seeing a PSPGo on a shelf, with no games next to it... posters maybe?
Seems to me that if the PSPGo is DD only, retailers aren't going to have a lot of ways to make money. They have a gaming section for what, PSPGo's only, maybe a few accessories like carrying cases and recharge kits, but does anyone else think it's going to be weird, seeing a PSPGo on a shelf, with no games next to it... posters maybe?
Outside of GameStop, the PSP section of any store right now is a joke anyways.
When I go into the electronics section at Wal-Mart, there are three glass cases full of Wii games, two of DS, two of 360, two of PS3, one of PS2, and one little tiny shelf on the bottom of the PS2 case that has a row of PSP games.
And your old software was not made for that system, that's what I was getting at. It was an extra feature that was removed. The point of the PS3 is not to play PS2 or even PS1 games. The point of the Wii and 360 is not to play GameCube and Oxbox games. Those are just nice features.
The point of the PSP Go is not to play disc-based PSP games either. It'd just be a nice feature.
That's the problem! It's the same system as the old one but it can't play the same games! You're comparing apples and oranges.
Sony with the pure dd on this thing really killed any support from retailers and their free promotion and work. I actually forgot this was coming out till I saw this thread.
So where does this leave people who don't bother with PSN to begin with? You'd think it would make some sense to have physical copies of games available for folks who just want to pick up a game at a store rather than muck around with buying and downloading something online (or those who might not have the capability). Sony's targeting way too specific an audience with this.
Seems to me that if the PSPGo is DD only, retailers aren't going to have a lot of ways to make money. They have a gaming section for what, PSPGo's only, maybe a few accessories like carrying cases and recharge kits, but does anyone else think it's going to be weird, seeing a PSPGo on a shelf, with no games next to it... posters maybe?
Outside of GameStop, the PSP section of any store right now is a joke anyways.
When I go into the electronics section at Wal-Mart, there are three glass cases full of Wii games, two of DS, two of 360, two of PS3, one of PS2, and one little tiny shelf on the bottom of the PS2 case that has a row of PSP games.
Yeah, pretty much. My local stores, there's either a small single corner section for the PSP, most of which is used games, and in one store they've taken it out completely.
And your old software was not made for that system, that's what I was getting at. It was an extra feature that was removed. The point of the PS3 is not to play PS2 or even PS1 games. The point of the Wii and 360 is not to play GameCube and Oxbox games. Those are just nice features.
The point of the PSP Go is not to play disc-based PSP games either. It'd just be a nice feature.
That's the problem! It's the same system as the old one but it can't play the same games! You're comparing apples and oranges.
That's sort of a strange statement to make as it doesn't follow what was stated at all. Just as the PS3 wasn't designed to play PS2 games, neither was the PSP Go designed to play PSP games, and neither is a positive.
Additionally I thought it might be helpful to link this.
Lol this thing will be hacked within 2 weeks of it coming out.
I didn't even know my PSP had a disc-drive on it for the first 6 months I owned the thing.
Last time I checked, people hadn't even fully worked out how to hack the 3000 yet, actually.
Might have changed since, though.
I haven't paid much attention either... I know people were working hard on it though.
Honestly, one the Go is hacked to allow you to put any game on it, I'll probably jump on board. The allure of being able to play the games I own without needing to carry around a bunch of discs is pretty hard to resist.
So where does this leave people who don't bother with PSN to begin with? You'd think it would make some sense to have physical copies of games available for folks who just want to pick up a game at a store rather than muck around with buying and downloading something online (or those who might not have the capability). Sony's targeting way too specific an audience with this.
I dunno, a ton of people have an iPhone and buy up apps for that by the boatload.
Seems to me that if the PSPGo is DD only, retailers aren't going to have a lot of ways to make money. They have a gaming section for what, PSPGo's only, maybe a few accessories like carrying cases and recharge kits, but does anyone else think it's going to be weird, seeing a PSPGo on a shelf, with no games next to it... posters maybe?
Outside of GameStop, the PSP section of any store right now is a joke anyways.
When I go into the electronics section at Wal-Mart, there are three glass cases full of Wii games, two of DS, two of 360, two of PS3, one of PS2, and one little tiny shelf on the bottom of the PS2 case that has a row of PSP games.
Thats not too far off from plenty of gamestops either. At the store I work at we Have good 10+ feet sections for PS2/360/Wii and even the DS, but psp games are stuck on a small little gondola like gamecube games and accessories. And several of the local stores are about the same.
So where does this leave people who don't bother with PSN to begin with? You'd think it would make some sense to have physical copies of games available for folks who just want to pick up a game at a store rather than muck around with buying and downloading something online (or those who might not have the capability). Sony's targeting way too specific an audience with this.
I dunno, a ton of people have an iPhone and buy up apps for that by the boatload.
Lol this thing will be hacked within 2 weeks of it coming out.
I didn't even know my PSP had a disc-drive on it for the first 6 months I owned the thing.
Last time I checked, people hadn't even fully worked out how to hack the 3000 yet, actually.
Might have changed since, though.
I haven't paid much attention either... I know people were working hard on it though.
Honestly, one the Go is hacked to allow you to put any game on it, I'll probably jump on board. The allure of being able to play the games I own without needing to carry around a bunch of discs is pretty hard to resist.
The Go doesn't have a removable battery, so they're trying to remove that avenue.
And your old software was not made for that system, that's what I was getting at. It was an extra feature that was removed. The point of the PS3 is not to play PS2 or even PS1 games. The point of the Wii and 360 is not to play GameCube and Oxbox games. Those are just nice features.
The point of the PSP Go is not to play disc-based PSP games either. It'd just be a nice feature.
That's the problem! It's the same system as the old one but it can't play the same games! You're comparing apples and oranges.
That's sort of a strange statement to make as it doesn't follow what was stated at all. Just as the PS3 wasn't designed to play PS2 games, neither was the PSP Go designed to play PSP games, and neither is a positive.
Additionally I thought it might be helpful to link this.
Yes, the PSPGo WAS made to play PSP games, it just wasn't made to play the way PSP games were distributed.
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It's a good thing they're smart enough to keep making the proper PSPs(I hear the 4000 is in the works), because this thing is going to crash and burn, and I hope it does.
My current PSP supports downloadables just fine. I see no logic in getting a PSP that has less functionality.
So where does this leave people who don't bother with PSN to begin with? You'd think it would make some sense to have physical copies of games available for folks who just want to pick up a game at a store rather than muck around with buying and downloading something online (or those who might not have the capability). Sony's targeting way too specific an audience with this.
I dunno, a ton of people have an iPhone and buy up apps for that by the boatload.
So it might just be crazy enough to work!
Yeah but apps only tend to be a few dollars at most, and, well, it's Apple. Apple has already carved themselves out a huge market. I believe that Nintendo could've gotten away with this on their next handheld iteration.
Also the iPhone is way cooler and more useful than a PSP (opinion).
There were two things going for this for me - the CPU clock speed is reportedly faster (I think I read 420mhz), and it has in game XMB, with the ability to leave a game in a paused 'save state' anywhere, effectively removing checkpoint saving. And also letting me leave it there when I need to get off the train and want to listen to some music.
If this is true then it's not all that different from what we see in the DSi (better CPU, new UI etc.). There was a lot of whining about that too with its new features shafting the owners of prior DS models. Of course this hasn't proven to be a major stumbling block thus far, though they announced some DSi-only games on the horizon.
Yes, the PSPGo WAS made to play PSP games, it just wasn't made to play the way PSP games were distributed.
This is hardly different than the PS3 being perfectly capable of emulating the PS2 in software until that feature was removed. It's also no longer made to play the way PS2 games are distributed. Instead they are talking about being able to download select older titles digitally, also like another system I've been reading about.
IIRC, they are also going to be selling some boxes with serial numbers in at retail.
Much like how they did Patapon 2.
This is really the best thing that can come out of the PSP Go... more games with retail packaging, with the contents being a download. It has the advantages of retail (it's bound to go on sale) combined with the advantages of digital distribution (that is, it doesn't use a UMD -- so longer battery life, no having to lug the disc around).
Lol this thing will be hacked within 2 weeks of it coming out.
I didn't even know my PSP had a disc-drive on it for the first 6 months I owned the thing.
Last time I checked, people hadn't even fully worked out how to hack the 3000 yet, actually.
Might have changed since, though.
I haven't paid much attention either... I know people were working hard on it though.
Honestly, one the Go is hacked to allow you to put any game on it, I'll probably jump on board. The allure of being able to play the games I own without needing to carry around a bunch of discs is pretty hard to resist.
Current hacks for the 3000 system are proof of concept only, and don't allow the sort of kernel level access needed to do the sort of hacking possible on the 1000 and earlier 2000 units. It's likely the Go will be even harder to hack.
I wouldn't mind picking this up after it fails miserably, like when I bought my GameBoy Micro for $50 awhile back. I hear this thing is extremely light, and has some other features. I'd use it.
Then again, I have a PSP-2000, with 10 UMDs and three 4GB MS Pro Duo cards, plus the remote headphone control, all of which I think would be useless for this.
I really figured Sony would have come up with a solution to transfer your UMD to digital copies. The tech is there, I work at a company that makes kiosks that can do exactly that.
Go to store, enter UMD, pay $1 transfer fee, machine takes UMD checks to see what game it is, and then with the USB connection it transfers to your PSP. Done! You don't get the UMD back, so you can't pass it on, Sony then recycles these. Stores would then push the PSPGo a bit more because they make money on the transfer fees, and they can also provide sales for games, or even used games, which can be bought, and then the customer can turn around and stick it in the machine for their PSPGo. Everyone wins. this all exists, we have all this tech already. Why did Sony not consider this at all?
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But saying that a PSP that can't play all PSP games is the same as a PS3 that does play all PS3 games is just moronic.
Of course it's slightly less of a blow on the PS3 because the hardware is different. But then, it's more of a blow all over again because there is a precedent for consoles to be backwards compatible. Both are a disappointment and there is nothing wrong with feeling that way.
*Jedi handwave*
I didn't make that mistake.
We are not arguing about BC on the PS3, damn it.
And only one person made that claim, yet you are turning this entire thread in to a discussion about it.
Yes, they aren't the exact same thing. There are some similarities between the two, though. There are very few perfect metaphors, and no one needs to waste their time with metaphor nit-picking.
And I never even made that claim. As I said, this is insult to injury, implying that the PS3 was merely injury. Of course it's a marginally better situation.
But as everyone else has mentioned, the price is IMO, worse than the while $599/£425 PS3 launch. I mean anything sub £150 mark would have worked, hell even iPod touch is better priced for what it is (and since the new models are due soon, the Go will look outdated before its release). The price just baffles me.
And your old software was not made for that system, that's what I was getting at. It was an extra feature that was removed. The point of the PS3 is not to play PS2 or even PS1 games. The point of the Wii and 360 is not to play GameCube and Oxbox games. Those are just nice features.
What we're dealing with here is an active split; it'd be like if the new PS3 slim came out, but could only play discs that came without the Spider-Man font or something equally ridiculous.
1. Can I transfer games I own to it (and if so how)
2. Is it at least as comfortable as the current psp (monster hunter is the true test)
3. Price of the digital games.
I'm not afraid of digital distrubution. (Love steam, psn, xbl) and the battery thing doesn't bother me.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
The point of the PSP Go is not to play disc-based PSP games either. It'd just be a nice feature.
it's just physics
I would imagine people like you who haven't invested in any UMDs yet.
Congratulations Sony for making an unhackable system. I applaud you.
I didn't even know my PSP had a disc-drive on it for the first 6 months I owned the thing.
I assume it's for people who have never owned it, the sort of people who buy digital music on iTunes and love that distribution system. And there's nothing wrong with that system either! Just...don't shaft your prior consumers.
Last time I checked, people hadn't even fully worked out how to hack the 3000 yet, actually.
Might have changed since, though.
But I like UMD. I don't know why - it drains the battery, and carrying multiple games around is a pain, but I like having a physical copy of a game. And with the new PSN emphasis and PSP minis, I can effectively carry a 'main game' and a bunch of little distractions, so I don't need to carry multiple UMD's around.
If they put the save state ability in firmware, great, or in a PSP 4000, I'll buy it. But The more I thought about the PSP Go, and the more I looked at the hideous control placement, the more I didn't want one. And with Australias utterly shitcraptastic wireless, I guess it's for the better.
Outside of GameStop, the PSP section of any store right now is a joke anyways.
When I go into the electronics section at Wal-Mart, there are three glass cases full of Wii games, two of DS, two of 360, two of PS3, one of PS2, and one little tiny shelf on the bottom of the PS2 case that has a row of PSP games.
That's the problem! It's the same system as the old one but it can't play the same games! You're comparing apples and oranges.
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Yeah, pretty much. My local stores, there's either a small single corner section for the PSP, most of which is used games, and in one store they've taken it out completely.
That's sort of a strange statement to make as it doesn't follow what was stated at all. Just as the PS3 wasn't designed to play PS2 games, neither was the PSP Go designed to play PSP games, and neither is a positive.
Additionally I thought it might be helpful to link this.
I haven't paid much attention either... I know people were working hard on it though.
Honestly, one the Go is hacked to allow you to put any game on it, I'll probably jump on board. The allure of being able to play the games I own without needing to carry around a bunch of discs is pretty hard to resist.
I dunno, a ton of people have an iPhone and buy up apps for that by the boatload.
So it might just be crazy enough to work!
Thats not too far off from plenty of gamestops either. At the store I work at we Have good 10+ feet sections for PS2/360/Wii and even the DS, but psp games are stuck on a small little gondola like gamecube games and accessories. And several of the local stores are about the same.
iPhone games aren't $20-$40 a pop.
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The Go doesn't have a removable battery, so they're trying to remove that avenue.
Yes, the PSPGo WAS made to play PSP games, it just wasn't made to play the way PSP games were distributed.
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My current PSP supports downloadables just fine. I see no logic in getting a PSP that has less functionality.
Yeah but apps only tend to be a few dollars at most, and, well, it's Apple. Apple has already carved themselves out a huge market. I believe that Nintendo could've gotten away with this on their next handheld iteration.
Also the iPhone is way cooler and more useful than a PSP (opinion).
If this is true then it's not all that different from what we see in the DSi (better CPU, new UI etc.). There was a lot of whining about that too with its new features shafting the owners of prior DS models. Of course this hasn't proven to be a major stumbling block thus far, though they announced some DSi-only games on the horizon.
This is hardly different than the PS3 being perfectly capable of emulating the PS2 in software until that feature was removed. It's also no longer made to play the way PS2 games are distributed. Instead they are talking about being able to download select older titles digitally, also like another system I've been reading about.
This is really the best thing that can come out of the PSP Go... more games with retail packaging, with the contents being a download. It has the advantages of retail (it's bound to go on sale) combined with the advantages of digital distribution (that is, it doesn't use a UMD -- so longer battery life, no having to lug the disc around).
Current hacks for the 3000 system are proof of concept only, and don't allow the sort of kernel level access needed to do the sort of hacking possible on the 1000 and earlier 2000 units. It's likely the Go will be even harder to hack.
Then again, I have a PSP-2000, with 10 UMDs and three 4GB MS Pro Duo cards, plus the remote headphone control, all of which I think would be useless for this.
I really figured Sony would have come up with a solution to transfer your UMD to digital copies. The tech is there, I work at a company that makes kiosks that can do exactly that.
Go to store, enter UMD, pay $1 transfer fee, machine takes UMD checks to see what game it is, and then with the USB connection it transfers to your PSP. Done! You don't get the UMD back, so you can't pass it on, Sony then recycles these. Stores would then push the PSPGo a bit more because they make money on the transfer fees, and they can also provide sales for games, or even used games, which can be bought, and then the customer can turn around and stick it in the machine for their PSPGo. Everyone wins. this all exists, we have all this tech already. Why did Sony not consider this at all?
It's sony.
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