Yes I know how that goes... We only raid 2 nights a week for 10s but some of our raid members have alts in other raids who don't clear Uld. So we snag that ID and start from there (usually it is just Yogg or Alagalon), so someone's off week is our gain and leaving a whole night for ToC, Ony, and VoA.
Just hoping they don't start doing alagalon... that means we will either have to find a new ID from someone or start doing it from start to finish
Lockpicking is awesome with the Lockpick Gylph. I had my rogue alt stand in the Pirate Ship off of Ratchet the other day levelling lockpicking as fast as those boxes would repop.
I find it funny that if I have the key for a door(Violet Hold springs to mind here) it takes longer to open it than if I were able to just pick the lock.
Current Draenor US Alliance AH prices for 20 pieces of ore:
Mithril: 27g Truesilver: 100g
Thorium: 58g
Fel Iron: 22g Eternium: 4g
Adamantite: 17g Khorium: 179g
Cobalt: 26g
Saronite: 14g Titanium: 296g
Out of commonly-gatherable ores, Thorium's by far the most profitable, what with Rich Thorium Veins out there for the picking in mostly-deserted zones.
Current Ravenholdt US Horde AH prices for 20 pieces of ore:
Mithril: 43g Truesilver: 100g
Thorium: 56.40g
Fel Iron: 29g Eternium: 31g
Adamantite: 22.71g Khorium: 171g
Cobalt: 32g
Saronite: 15g Titanium: 375g
Some were not listed at 20 so I just took the largest group being sold and worked that number up to a 20 stack. Oddly enough the prices seem pretty close to what Sabremau posted above. I guess there is some greater hand at work in the WoW economy than the lolonomists and gold farmers.
Frustrate: Other guild Rogue still refuses to budge on Combat Daggers spec, depsite him, in better gear underpreforming me on every boss attempt last night. His excuse always seems to be, "I'm not really trying"
/headdesk
Irked: The fact that the rest of my guild still considers him a better Rogue than me, and when they finally decide to apy attention to my DPS it's in some random ass heroic where I can only pull about 1700DPS
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Combat daggers stopped being good like right after Kara came out I think. I am so sorry for you
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
Heroics are the worst test of performance in terms of DPS, especially lately, when pretty much anyone putting in a minimal amount of effort has 2pc T8.5 and 2pc T9. Things die so quickly that a true measure of someone's output can't really be gauged.
Semi-related, I feel bad for people just starting to tank these days. I ran a Heroic VH pug the other day where all of the DPS were largely T8.5/T9 geared (myself included), and this poor tank was just in ilevel 200 gear (crafted/rep). We finished the instance but he had the hardest time holding aggro from all of us (and while I can't speak for the others, I was holding back). We wiped a couple of times and one of the DPS started to get a little lippy, and I explained the gear disparity issue. We're talking four levels (200, 213, 219, 226, 232) difference between his gear and ours; it was like a Karazhan-geared tank trying to hold aggro from Sunwell-geared DPS.
I told the guy to just run ToC/H-ToC has often as he could and he'd be fine.
Heroics are the worst test of performance in terms of DPS, especially lately, when pretty much anyone putting in a minimal amount of effort has 2pc T8.5 and 2pc T9. Things die so quickly that a true measure of someone's output can't really be gauged.
I know, and that's what I tell my guild, stop looking at my DPS in heroics, shit dies to fast.
So we get to a heroic Boss, and I still only do 1700 or so and get met with "he didn't die quickly, you're still low"
I still only got about halfway through my rotation ya knucklefuck, how bout you pay attention to me on a raid boss when I'm thrid behind yourself and a hunter both pumpting out 4.5K
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Frustrate: Other guild Rogue still refuses to budge on Combat Daggers spec, depsite him, in better gear underpreforming me on every boss attempt last night. His excuse always seems to be, "I'm not really trying"
/headdesk
Irked: The fact that the rest of my guild still considers him a better Rogue than me, and when they finally decide to apy attention to my DPS it's in some random ass heroic where I can only pull about 1700DPS
Have you spoken to your guild's officers? If somebody in my guild was raiding with a sub optimal spec, I'd tell them they either change it or sit raids. Sorry, but you're not using a shitty spec and dragging everybody else down.
Edit: It sounds like your guild is filled with dumbfucks who don't understand that rogues don't excel on 30 second fights. rofl
We're not that hardcore of a guild to sit people with sup-optimal specs. Now if you're functionally retarded AND you have shit spec/gear you get sat or brought along if we seriously need that 10th body.
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My guild is not hardcore either, but we also don't let priests heal in shadow specs or tanks tank in pvp specs. To me, that is what a combat daggers pve rogue amounts to. I wouldn't even be a dick about it, I'd just tell the person they have to respec if they want to raid. Plain and simple. Be combat daggers as a dual spec and do heroics with it for all I care, but when you raid, there are 9 or 24 other people there, and you're using their time too.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
To me, its not even his suboptimal spec that is meaning he shouldn't be allowed to raid, but the fact that he is apparently "not really trying"..
That is a good point too. I'm pretty sure if a DPSer told me they weren't trying in a raid, I would find a way to reach through my monitor and choke them. Really though, why the fuck would you even come to a raid if you're not going to try?
That is a good point too. I'm pretty sure if a DPSer told me they weren't trying in a raid, I would find a way to reach through my monitor and choke them. Really though, why the fuck would you even come to a raid if you're not going to try?
We're not that hardcore of a guild to sit people with sup-optimal specs. Now if you're functionally retarded AND you have shit spec/gear you get sat or brought along if we seriously need that 10th body.
But isn't combat daggers like, just unheard of as any kind of raiding build? It almost seems like a prot specced warrior dpsing in a guild raid.
Sadly (for me I suppose) he still pulls out about 3K-3.4K DPS on boss fights, which is still anywhere from 3rd to 4th on the PDS meters dpending on who we bring along that night. I honestly do only squeak by him about 500DPS so there's not enough of a gap to cause alarm in the rest of the guild.
It's more of a, dude if you'd just be swords/maces, or switch to Mut, with the gear you have over me you'd be hitting 4K easily.
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Sadly (for me I suppose) he still pulls out about 3K-3.4K DPS on boss fights, which is still anywhere from 3rd to 4th on the PDS meters dpending on who we bring along that night. I honestly do only squeak by him about 500DPS so there's not enough of a gap to cause alarm in the rest of the guild.
It's more of a, dude if you'd just be swords/maces, or switch to Mut, with the gear you have over me you'd be hitting 4K easily.
If you care and your guild doesn't, it's time to find another guild that matches your commitment level.
Sadly (for me I suppose) he still pulls out about 3K-3.4K DPS on boss fights, which is still anywhere from 3rd to 4th on the PDS meters dpending on who we bring along that night. I honestly do only squeak by him about 500DPS so there's not enough of a gap to cause alarm in the rest of the guild.
It's more of a, dude if you'd just be swords/maces, or switch to Mut, with the gear you have over me you'd be hitting 4K easily.
If 3400 dps was good that would be one thing, but that's like ilvl 200 DPS.
Sadly (for me I suppose) he still pulls out about 3K-3.4K DPS on boss fights, which is still anywhere from 3rd to 4th on the PDS meters dpending on who we bring along that night. I honestly do only squeak by him about 500DPS so there's not enough of a gap to cause alarm in the rest of the guild.
It's more of a, dude if you'd just be swords/maces, or switch to Mut, with the gear you have over me you'd be hitting 4K easily.
If you care and your guild doesn't, it's time to find another guild that matches your commitment level.
And that's the other problem, my ability to care is not proportional to my ability to raid. Finding a guild that cares about progression, dps, specs, to the point that I do, while also letting someone raid who can only log on to the game about 2 nights a week (let alone raid) is not an easy feat.
Suppose I just better put up and shut up.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Sadly (for me I suppose) he still pulls out about 3K-3.4K DPS on boss fights, which is still anywhere from 3rd to 4th on the PDS meters dpending on who we bring along that night. I honestly do only squeak by him about 500DPS so there's not enough of a gap to cause alarm in the rest of the guild.
It's more of a, dude if you'd just be swords/maces, or switch to Mut, with the gear you have over me you'd be hitting 4K easily.
If 3400 dps was good that would be one thing, but that's like ilvl 200 DPS.
Basically any DPSer worthy of the name should be able to do at least 4.5k-5k in ToC gear. At least. Good DPSers will do more, outstanding DPS will break 6k.
In my dps gear (a smattering of i226/i219 and i200 trinkets) I pull around 4k dps in 10m, and 4.5k to 5k+ depending on the fight in 25s.
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
edited October 2009
Well that's the other thing: your DPS isn't a fixed figure. You can't really say "I pull 5k", because every fight differs, especially if you're melee.
That's another reason heroics are bad for DPS estimations; so many of the fights either have you running all over the place because of Fear or some bullshit AoE. It's just not an accurate representation of what a player can do.
Neither of us are in ToC gear Dhalp, come back down to our level :-p
I'm only in 213s on average and he's about 219/2whatever the next number up is.
My Warlock is in nothing higher than 219s. I think I have one 232 and one 245(triumph wand), but mostly 200/213 epics. He's a barely played alt, but I can easily do 5500 25 man buffed, and 4k on the boss dummy with no buffs whatsoever other than fel armor.
Gear does not hold people back nearly as much as they think.
Well that's the other thing: your DPS isn't a fixed figure. You can't really say "I pull 5k", because every fight differs, especially if you're melee.
That's another reason heroics are bad for DPS estimations; so many of the fights either have you running all over the place because of Fear or some bullshit AoE. It's just not an accurate representation of what a player can do.
WTF you only did 600 DPS on Svala Sorrowgrave and that's a boss fight, stop being such a fucking noob raughaughauhg.
Hate: I am jinxed when it comes to 10 man Ony pugs. I can just not get into one that has competent people in it. The last attempt, we had a hunter pulling less than 1k dps after every try. Reason?
he didn't have any god damn ammo and finally after two wipes asked to go get some
He was in the guild that had started the pug so they didn't kick him, and then when he got back, surprise surprise, he still pulled shit dps.
Sadly (for me I suppose) he still pulls out about 3K-3.4K DPS on boss fights, which is still anywhere from 3rd to 4th on the PDS meters dpending on who we bring along that night. I honestly do only squeak by him about 500DPS so there's not enough of a gap to cause alarm in the rest of the guild.
It's more of a, dude if you'd just be swords/maces, or switch to Mut, with the gear you have over me you'd be hitting 4K easily.
If 3400 dps was good that would be one thing, but that's like ilvl 200 DPS.
...For what class? I was barely breaking 1800 in 200 gear on my warrior in Heroics.
When talking about DPS numbers, don't compare yourself to other classes. That's foolish.
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Just hoping they don't start doing alagalon... that means we will either have to find a new ID from someone or start doing it from start to finish
(How's that for an excuse?)
Its a good one if you're a blacksmith and you have 5 stacks of skeleton keys on your keyring.
Mithril: 27g
Truesilver: 100g
Thorium: 58g
Fel Iron: 22g
Eternium: 4g
Adamantite: 17g
Khorium: 179g
Cobalt: 26g
Saronite: 14g
Titanium: 296g
Out of commonly-gatherable ores, Thorium's by far the most profitable, what with Rich Thorium Veins out there for the picking in mostly-deserted zones.
Some were not listed at 20 so I just took the largest group being sold and worked that number up to a 20 stack. Oddly enough the prices seem pretty close to what Sabremau posted above. I guess there is some greater hand at work in the WoW economy than the lolonomists and gold farmers.
/headdesk
Irked: The fact that the rest of my guild still considers him a better Rogue than me, and when they finally decide to apy attention to my DPS it's in some random ass heroic where I can only pull about 1700DPS
FFBE: 838,975,107
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Semi-related, I feel bad for people just starting to tank these days. I ran a Heroic VH pug the other day where all of the DPS were largely T8.5/T9 geared (myself included), and this poor tank was just in ilevel 200 gear (crafted/rep). We finished the instance but he had the hardest time holding aggro from all of us (and while I can't speak for the others, I was holding back). We wiped a couple of times and one of the DPS started to get a little lippy, and I explained the gear disparity issue. We're talking four levels (200, 213, 219, 226, 232) difference between his gear and ours; it was like a Karazhan-geared tank trying to hold aggro from Sunwell-geared DPS.
I told the guy to just run ToC/H-ToC has often as he could and he'd be fine.
I know, and that's what I tell my guild, stop looking at my DPS in heroics, shit dies to fast.
So we get to a heroic Boss, and I still only do 1700 or so and get met with "he didn't die quickly, you're still low"
I still only got about halfway through my rotation ya knucklefuck, how bout you pay attention to me on a raid boss when I'm thrid behind yourself and a hunter both pumpting out 4.5K
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Have you spoken to your guild's officers? If somebody in my guild was raiding with a sub optimal spec, I'd tell them they either change it or sit raids. Sorry, but you're not using a shitty spec and dragging everybody else down.
Edit: It sounds like your guild is filled with dumbfucks who don't understand that rogues don't excel on 30 second fights. rofl
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If he's not really trying, get the fuck out.
Purples.
Yeah, we booted people on the spot and brought in reserves that actually felt like raiding a few times in my last guild.
But isn't combat daggers like, just unheard of as any kind of raiding build? It almost seems like a prot specced warrior dpsing in a guild raid.
It's more of a, dude if you'd just be swords/maces, or switch to Mut, with the gear you have over me you'd be hitting 4K easily.
FFBE: 838,975,107
Dokkan: 1668363315
If you care and your guild doesn't, it's time to find another guild that matches your commitment level.
If 3400 dps was good that would be one thing, but that's like ilvl 200 DPS.
And that's the other problem, my ability to care is not proportional to my ability to raid. Finding a guild that cares about progression, dps, specs, to the point that I do, while also letting someone raid who can only log on to the game about 2 nights a week (let alone raid) is not an easy feat.
Suppose I just better put up and shut up.
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Basically any DPSer worthy of the name should be able to do at least 4.5k-5k in ToC gear. At least. Good DPSers will do more, outstanding DPS will break 6k.
I'm only in 213s on average and he's about 219/2whatever the next number up is.
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That's another reason heroics are bad for DPS estimations; so many of the fights either have you running all over the place because of Fear or some bullshit AoE. It's just not an accurate representation of what a player can do.
My Warlock is in nothing higher than 219s. I think I have one 232 and one 245(triumph wand), but mostly 200/213 epics. He's a barely played alt, but I can easily do 5500 25 man buffed, and 4k on the boss dummy with no buffs whatsoever other than fel armor.
Gear does not hold people back nearly as much as they think.
WTF you only did 600 DPS on Svala Sorrowgrave and that's a boss fight, stop being such a fucking noob raughaughauhg.
he didn't have any god damn ammo and finally after two wipes asked to go get some
He was in the guild that had started the pug so they didn't kick him, and then when he got back, surprise surprise, he still pulled shit dps.
...For what class? I was barely breaking 1800 in 200 gear on my warrior in Heroics.
When talking about DPS numbers, don't compare yourself to other classes. That's foolish.
Also- "We are currently experiencing a high volume of petitions" appearing when you submit....
are they ever NOT receiving a high volume of petitions?