It was pretty hairy. If I hadn't had some good rolls in the beginning which wiped out the active genestealers I probably wouldn't have made it as far as I did. I also had real good luck with the heavy flamer, taking out two or three genestealers with each shot, and blocking them from advancing directly on my surviving terminators. It really came down to the last turn, and having four command points to carry me through. It I hadn't mangaged to blow that door down, then it would've been luck alone that saw me survive to see another turn.
So has anyone had experience with the new Leman Russ kits? I have plenty of tanks already, but I was thinking of adding another three, since I can field tons now. What's the word on how easy/hard it is to swap between types of Russ?
@People who have played Space Hulk already: How long does a game take to play, give or take?
@PolloDiablo: I've got the old three leman russ tank box that I'm trying to get rid of, all new on sprue.... It won't have the new turrets, but it'll be three tank bodies pretty cheap, and you might be able to built the turrets you want from bits or something. Just offering it as an option Send me a PM if you're interested
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So has anyone had experience with the new Leman Russ kits? I have plenty of tanks already, but I was thinking of adding another three, since I can field tons now. What's the word on how easy/hard it is to swap between types of Russ?
The new Demolisher/Executioner/Punisher is a really great kit. Very easy to assemble with little to no problems. The guns can be swapped out with almost no modification. If you're anal about it a pin or magnet will make the guns more secure.
*edit* Genestealers are now all assembled. Going to start painting tomorrow. Probably start on the door frames then start on the marines.
So has anyone had experience with the new Leman Russ kits? I have plenty of tanks already, but I was thinking of adding another three, since I can field tons now. What's the word on how easy/hard it is to swap between types of Russ?
Well nobody in their right minds fields more than 3. 4 maybe, but that's pushing it. Yes an army can field 9 tanks total, but it's utterly foolish to do more than 3 or 4. Far too many weaknesses and limitations. If you already got the 3 or 4 chassis, I recommend looking for just the punisher/executioner guns so you can swap them in and out without having to buy more chassis you won't use.
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So has anyone had experience with the new Leman Russ kits? I have plenty of tanks already, but I was thinking of adding another three, since I can field tons now. What's the word on how easy/hard it is to swap between types of Russ?
Well nobody in their right minds fields more than 3. 4 maybe, but that's pushing it. Yes an army can field 9 tanks total, but it's utterly foolish to do more than 3 or 4. Far too many weaknesses and limitations. If you already got the 3 or 4 chassis, I recommend looking for just the punisher/executioner guns so you can swap them in and out without having to buy more chassis you won't use.
Well, nobody's ever accused me of being in my right mind. I'll look into the guns, though. I just checked the website, does GW not do bitz anymore? They only seem to have a few.
Yes! Played against Mike twice last night as the marines, once as the 'stealers. First time I lost on turn three after some terrible rolls. Mostly though it was poor stacking at the beginning though, on my part. And mike played the stealers pretty well. Second game was way better, though.
The key to that first mission is moving as fast as fucking possbile. Hopefully you can get 4+ CP on the first turn as the marines so you can ensure everyone can move 5 squares on the first turn. Anyways, I think the proper stacking order for that mission is F -> B: SB, Serg, SB, Flamer, SB
First guy opens the door and moves forward 4 spaces, firing at the door in front of him with every single movement, so you don't slow yourself down trying to open up that door AND it means that if any 'stealers wanna come in from that far entry point they're now in LOS and must reveal before coming onto the board. The serg and other stormbolters must make sure to try and fire at the door to the right of your entry point to hopefully blow it open on the first or second turn. Last stormbolter guy gets left as overwatch in that first room and should blow open that southern door in the second turn if you couldn't do it on the first. He stays put unless your opponent completely gives up on flanking you (which he shouldn't be dumb enough to do).
As your advance along the next hallway, the first SB and Serg break left and literally just run and gun down that hallway using as many command points as you can to open up some space so you won't have to worry about getting assaulted for a turn. Middile SB guy goes on overwatch down the main corridor. Flamer guy follows them left down the hallway but puts a template down that main corridor to try and delay stealers for a turn if your duder on overwatch gets killed so a 'stealer can't jump in and kill him while he's going down that hallway and vulnerable. If this happens, the guy guarding the first room will have to come up and take the overwatch on that hallway if possible (this should be possible, place him intelligently in the main room!).
At this point it's a race against time. You don't want your sergeant to die so you can get decent CPs every turn, that's why he's not leading the charge down the hallway. Be smart about sustained fire and overwatch - move one + shoot, sustained fire, move on +shoot, sustained fire. Then use command points to go on overwatch, or if you can create a decent hole in the 'stealers, keep shooing down the hall.
This is basically the plan I used, although some of it is lessons in restrospect, as I had my sergeant lead the charge down the left hallway and although he killed a good number of stealers he eventually died, and some shitty CP draws left me moving really slowly for a few turns. My flamer guy at one point had a genestealer in his face who didn't have the points to attack and it took me TWO flamer rounds (a whole turn, argh, I was not happy :P) to kill the fucker right before he broke left down the hallway (one genestealer, argh!).
My SB at the end of the line killed a holy shitload of genestealers while on overwatch but eventually had to come up with the main force to watch the long hallway, as my original overwatcher got mulched by a stealer, and since that meant my flamer was now vulnerable to being flanked, I had no other option. That guy ended up dying on one of the last turns. My one remaining SB & flamer powered down the left hallway right as the 'stealers got to the end of their blip stack and I was fortunate enough to have gotten the SB far enough down the hallway to force his stealers to either lurk on the north entry way, or come in on the southern one (the N/S ones at the far right side of the board, that is, not the ones at the far bottom of the board). This stalled the stealers enough (one turn, really, but that was enough) so that my flamer could make a break for the objective room.
Unfortunately, this is when the lack of sergeant kicked my ass. Two turns in a row I grabbed 1 and 2 CPs, not enough to actually get to the room, open the door and flame it in one turn. So I had the flamer back up one space at at time for two turns firing at the intersection just south of the objective room. Then on the last turn, I was close enough to the door so that even with 1 CP (I drew a 5, heh) I was able to turn, move, open the door and flamer the objective.
With the very last flamer shot, with my very last marine
Hell yeah.
We also played the second mission, exterminate, but that one is WAY less difficult for the marines, though mike didn't play the stealers as well as he could have in that mission. Finished that mission with 3 marines left (thanks to a lucky combat for me in the last turn) with all the stealers dead. The assault cannon is fucking brutal as hell.
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Well he's not painted yet, but I'll see what I can get done tomorrow.
I'm highly amused by the fact that after priming them gray, I base-coated the BA red, and the GS dark blue, so that you really can't tell they've had any paint applied at all. They terminators are all magnetically mounted though, so huzzah for that. I don't think I'm going to have enough magnets to finish the stealers, I'm going to have to order more...
I feel like such a GW consumer whore. I have 4 armies sitting here in various states of uncompletion, a slowly growing pile of unassembled boxed sets and I STILL bought space hulk.
...
Oh man those SH mini's look awesome. I can't wait!
What do you mean you can no longer order them online
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
What do you mean you can no longer order them online
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
I shall send their ass to Khorne
Man, Khorne doesn't want their asses. He wants their blood.
Send the asses to Slaneesh. S/he'll get some mileage out of them.
So my main board game buddy's copy of Space Hulk arrived. So pumped.
This gives me an excuse to look at Games Workshop 40k minis to make a little custom 12-man squad just for chuckles. There are a lot of flavorful dudes in the lineup. I kind of like the look of the Tau, and there's the basic 12 man fire team which would work and be pretty cheap as an all-in-one solution. The stealth suits look bulkier and like a more fitting replacement for the feel of those Terminators, but I don't know if I want to bother spending that much for something that will only get so much use. I also really like those Eldar warp spiders, but kind of the same problem. Hmmm.
I need to go buy painting supplies. These will need to be painted, then there's my Doom minis, Memoir 44 pieces, Shadows Over Camelot player pieces ...
edit: I don't know what I would ever use them for, but I really want an excuse to buy those Bloodletter of Khorne guys. They look awesome.
What do you mean you can no longer order them online
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
I shall send their ass to Khorne
Man, Khorne doesn't want their asses. He wants their blood.
Send the asses to Slaneesh. S/he'll get some mileage out of them.
What do you mean you can no longer order them online
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
I shall send their ass to Khorne
They were limited release... Estimates from around the intertubes put them at between 75k and 100k.
They will sell all of them regardless of what time of year it is :P If they were a constant stock item, then they wouldn't sell as quickly, because everyone would know they can get them whenever, and GW wouldn't make as much money
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What do you mean you can no longer order them online
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
I shall send their ass to Khorne
They were limited release... Estimates from around the intertubes put them at between 75k and 100k.
Limited release during the time of the year when their target demographic is most strapped for cash.
Between pricing it at a hundred fucking dollars and doing a "limited release" when they sure as shit are going to do another run down the line anyway to recoup the cost for manufacturing the molds they are mostly just being assholes.
If they were a constant stock item, then they wouldn't sell as quickly, because everyone would know they can get them whenever, and GW wouldn't make as much money
Only if you presume they wouldn't sell more than their limited run. It makes the money faster but it is almost certain that they make less over time.
It'd also be totally awesome if they had a store closer than five hours away from me now that they've closed down the Memphis Battle Bunker. Even the closest FLGS is like two hours away.
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You can't order from GW direct, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the online sellers are still going to have copies up for grabs. It looks like the last copies of the game are going to be gone by Christmas, so I'd say the marketing strategy for this was a pretty big success.
What do you mean you can no longer order them online
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
I shall send their ass to Khorne
They were limited release... Estimates from around the intertubes put them at between 75k and 100k.
They will sell all of them regardless of what time of year it is :P If they were a constant stock item, then they wouldn't sell as quickly, because everyone would know they can get them whenever, and GW wouldn't make as much money
bloodthirsty bastards, they are khornites
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oh hey warhammer thread
something came from the post today
And the greatest threat to the Imperium
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What do you mean you can no longer order them online
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
I shall send their ass to Khorne
They were limited release... Estimates from around the intertubes put them at between 75k and 100k.
Limited release during the time of the year when their target demographic is most strapped for cash.
Between pricing it at a hundred fucking dollars and doing a "limited release" when they sure as shit are going to do another run down the line anyway to recoup the cost for manufacturing the molds they are mostly just being assholes.
If they were a constant stock item, then they wouldn't sell as quickly, because everyone would know they can get them whenever, and GW wouldn't make as much money
Only if you presume they wouldn't sell more than their limited run. It makes the money faster but it is almost certain that they make less over time.
It'd also be totally awesome if they had a store closer than five hours away from me now that they've closed down the Memphis Battle Bunker. Even the closest FLGS is like two hours away.
Their target demographic is nerds with lots of disposable income. This doesn't include many college kids.
And making money faster means they can invest it faster.
A spike in incoming revenue also raises stocks (I dunno if GW is publicly traded or not). The benefits there are obvious. If they are not traded, it still boosts their real and percieved worth with the other companies that they deal with, which put them in a better position to continue to put out quality product that supports their main lines (lotr, wfb, 40k)
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This is of special note as it clarifies pretty much everything in question. (Orders, Master of Ordinance + Mortar, and Inducted guard in Inquisition lists.)
Also Deathstrike nor confirmed as having unlimited range with no center (Everything in the blast range gets hit at full strength!)
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@PolloDiablo: I've got the old three leman russ tank box that I'm trying to get rid of, all new on sprue.... It won't have the new turrets, but it'll be three tank bodies pretty cheap, and you might be able to built the turrets you want from bits or something. Just offering it as an option
sadly I have to go to work and woke up late
The new Demolisher/Executioner/Punisher is a really great kit. Very easy to assemble with little to no problems. The guns can be swapped out with almost no modification. If you're anal about it a pin or magnet will make the guns more secure.
*edit* Genestealers are now all assembled. Going to start painting tomorrow. Probably start on the door frames then start on the marines.
Well nobody in their right minds fields more than 3. 4 maybe, but that's pushing it. Yes an army can field 9 tanks total, but it's utterly foolish to do more than 3 or 4. Far too many weaknesses and limitations. If you already got the 3 or 4 chassis, I recommend looking for just the punisher/executioner guns so you can swap them in and out without having to buy more chassis you won't use.
Well, nobody's ever accused me of being in my right mind. I'll look into the guns, though. I just checked the website, does GW not do bitz anymore? They only seem to have a few.
I can't find the link, but it's there.
Also, I have my Space Hulk! 2nd also, I cut a deal for an extra set of Space Hulk Terms for $45!
Bonus Round - I broke my hand on Sunday, hand surgery on it today and can't use my right hand!
There sits my Hulk Hawtness, and I can't even take a mini of the sprue. :x
That took 5 minutes to type and correct.
Yes! Played against Mike twice last night as the marines, once as the 'stealers. First time I lost on turn three after some terrible rolls. Mostly though it was poor stacking at the beginning though, on my part. And mike played the stealers pretty well. Second game was way better, though.
The key to that first mission is moving as fast as fucking possbile. Hopefully you can get 4+ CP on the first turn as the marines so you can ensure everyone can move 5 squares on the first turn. Anyways, I think the proper stacking order for that mission is F -> B: SB, Serg, SB, Flamer, SB
First guy opens the door and moves forward 4 spaces, firing at the door in front of him with every single movement, so you don't slow yourself down trying to open up that door AND it means that if any 'stealers wanna come in from that far entry point they're now in LOS and must reveal before coming onto the board. The serg and other stormbolters must make sure to try and fire at the door to the right of your entry point to hopefully blow it open on the first or second turn. Last stormbolter guy gets left as overwatch in that first room and should blow open that southern door in the second turn if you couldn't do it on the first. He stays put unless your opponent completely gives up on flanking you (which he shouldn't be dumb enough to do).
As your advance along the next hallway, the first SB and Serg break left and literally just run and gun down that hallway using as many command points as you can to open up some space so you won't have to worry about getting assaulted for a turn. Middile SB guy goes on overwatch down the main corridor. Flamer guy follows them left down the hallway but puts a template down that main corridor to try and delay stealers for a turn if your duder on overwatch gets killed so a 'stealer can't jump in and kill him while he's going down that hallway and vulnerable. If this happens, the guy guarding the first room will have to come up and take the overwatch on that hallway if possible (this should be possible, place him intelligently in the main room!).
At this point it's a race against time. You don't want your sergeant to die so you can get decent CPs every turn, that's why he's not leading the charge down the hallway. Be smart about sustained fire and overwatch - move one + shoot, sustained fire, move on +shoot, sustained fire. Then use command points to go on overwatch, or if you can create a decent hole in the 'stealers, keep shooing down the hall.
This is basically the plan I used, although some of it is lessons in restrospect, as I had my sergeant lead the charge down the left hallway and although he killed a good number of stealers he eventually died, and some shitty CP draws left me moving really slowly for a few turns. My flamer guy at one point had a genestealer in his face who didn't have the points to attack and it took me TWO flamer rounds (a whole turn, argh, I was not happy :P) to kill the fucker right before he broke left down the hallway (one genestealer, argh!).
My SB at the end of the line killed a holy shitload of genestealers while on overwatch but eventually had to come up with the main force to watch the long hallway, as my original overwatcher got mulched by a stealer, and since that meant my flamer was now vulnerable to being flanked, I had no other option. That guy ended up dying on one of the last turns. My one remaining SB & flamer powered down the left hallway right as the 'stealers got to the end of their blip stack and I was fortunate enough to have gotten the SB far enough down the hallway to force his stealers to either lurk on the north entry way, or come in on the southern one (the N/S ones at the far right side of the board, that is, not the ones at the far bottom of the board). This stalled the stealers enough (one turn, really, but that was enough) so that my flamer could make a break for the objective room.
Unfortunately, this is when the lack of sergeant kicked my ass. Two turns in a row I grabbed 1 and 2 CPs, not enough to actually get to the room, open the door and flame it in one turn. So I had the flamer back up one space at at time for two turns firing at the intersection just south of the objective room. Then on the last turn, I was close enough to the door so that even with 1 CP (I drew a 5, heh) I was able to turn, move, open the door and flamer the objective.
With the very last flamer shot, with my very last marine
Hell yeah.
We also played the second mission, exterminate, but that one is WAY less difficult for the marines, though mike didn't play the stealers as well as he could have in that mission. Finished that mission with 3 marines left (thanks to a lucky combat for me in the last turn) with all the stealers dead. The assault cannon is fucking brutal as hell.
But I want to hug the LC guy in the SH box!
TY for the pity hug though. :winky:
I'm highly amused by the fact that after priming them gray, I base-coated the BA red, and the GS dark blue, so that you really can't tell they've had any paint applied at all. They terminators are all magnetically mounted though, so huzzah for that. I don't think I'm going to have enough magnets to finish the stealers, I'm going to have to order more...
...
Oh man those SH mini's look awesome. I can't wait!
Cause I ordered space hulk just before they ran out and wondered when I should expect it.
Edit: are the missions re-workings of the original missions or all-new ones, by the way?
HAHA i laughed so hard i choked on my oj looking at that.
Technically, this would be a Tactical Dreadnought-armored hug. :winky:
edit: Stupid smiley.
I've only ever used the standard shipping option for GW orders, and I've consistently received my items in about 3 days.
Does GW hate money? Do they realized they released this shit right when college kids are going back to school and buying $500 worth of books? And it's up for order for a /week?!/
I shall send their ass to Khorne
Send the asses to Slaneesh. S/he'll get some mileage out of them.
This gives me an excuse to look at Games Workshop 40k minis to make a little custom 12-man squad just for chuckles. There are a lot of flavorful dudes in the lineup. I kind of like the look of the Tau, and there's the basic 12 man fire team which would work and be pretty cheap as an all-in-one solution. The stealth suits look bulkier and like a more fitting replacement for the feel of those Terminators, but I don't know if I want to bother spending that much for something that will only get so much use. I also really like those Eldar warp spiders, but kind of the same problem. Hmmm.
I need to go buy painting supplies. These will need to be painted, then there's my Doom minis, Memoir 44 pieces, Shadows Over Camelot player pieces ...
edit: I don't know what I would ever use them for, but I really want an excuse to buy those Bloodletter of Khorne guys. They look awesome.
ASS FOR THE ASS THRONE
They were limited release... Estimates from around the intertubes put them at between 75k and 100k.
They will sell all of them regardless of what time of year it is :P If they were a constant stock item, then they wouldn't sell as quickly, because everyone would know they can get them whenever, and GW wouldn't make as much money
Between pricing it at a hundred fucking dollars and doing a "limited release" when they sure as shit are going to do another run down the line anyway to recoup the cost for manufacturing the molds they are mostly just being assholes.
Only if you presume they wouldn't sell more than their limited run. It makes the money faster but it is almost certain that they make less over time.
It'd also be totally awesome if they had a store closer than five hours away from me now that they've closed down the Memphis Battle Bunker. Even the closest FLGS is like two hours away.
bloodthirsty bastards, they are khornites
something came from the post today
And the greatest threat to the Imperium
The tau are ok I suppose, but I don't see any kroot there.
How the hell can I get dice like that?
EDIT: Great top page post.
yay!
Their target demographic is nerds with lots of disposable income. This doesn't include many college kids.
And making money faster means they can invest it faster.
This is of special note as it clarifies pretty much everything in question. (Orders, Master of Ordinance + Mortar, and Inducted guard in Inquisition lists.)
Also Deathstrike nor confirmed as having unlimited range with no center (Everything in the blast range gets hit at full strength!)